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Roger Waters To Create New Album
pal writes "Roger Waters (of Pink Floyd fame) is recording an album in February, according to his web site. The interesting part is that the web site is being used as what looks to be an interactive forum! Under "Questions?" there is a bit about the Declaration of Independence, and The Spirituality of the Internet, all with WWWboards there for feedback. Does he intend to allow the internet-going public to influence his lyrics? The last question is: "What do you think?" " This sort of work - remote collabrative work is kind of what Everything2 is trying to do. It's a very interesting point: How do you work over-the-wire?
I tend to agree - Slashdot has slowly, but surely, been turning to shit since the Andover buyout.
Given the themes of his previous albums Radio K.A.O.S and Amused to death. Both of which had to do with the idea that we're messing ourselves up. Perhaps his writing an album about the net isn't such a good thing. Don't get me wrong the man is a Diety but don't be surprised if his view of the net is somewhat fatalistic.
"as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee" - Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz. (One man's humorous is another mans flamebait)
Ok, you try to keep updating a news service for nerds. Oh yeah, and you have to put up with kids from the short bus critizing you everytime you go a little off topic.
Why, Microsoft NetMeeting of course!! Hahahaha...that's sarcasm son.
Seriously guys, the world has moved on since The Who and Pink Floyd!
Man he's no good w/o the rest of Pink Floyd. But Pink Floyd isn't nearly as good w/o him. It's an odd situation. They should come togethor again they were a good team.
Teach a man to dish and he will gossip for life.
Roger Waters hasn't done anything interesting
in 25 years. He needs all the help he can get, so
some collaboration might be in order.
The last good Floyd record was "Meddle".Everything has been a rehash since then.
Amen.
Roger Waters isn't as good with out pink floyd, and pink floyd isn't as good with out roger water *OR* syd...
I honestly think Roger Waters is just trying too hard to re capture the fame that came from The Wall and Dark Side of the Moon. And what better way to do that, than to use buzzwords.
Mr Malda has always posted information on his favorite groups/musicians (such as The Who), and this being his site, why shouldn't he?
Roger? Roger who? Which one's Pink?
My allegiance remains to Poor Old Syd anyway.
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A bit unrelated, but I think Waters could try something as interesting - offer his songs online as mp3s for free and see where that leads his album sales. After all, the guy doesn't seem to be
obsessed with greed and he's got alot of money to start with.. he could try it.
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The opinions are valid, aren't they?
More race stuff in one place,
than any one place on the net.
Wish you were here, all the way. There are no more relaxing, interesting floyd songs than the "Diamond"s, and the actual song wish you were here just rules.
Where are my GPFs? I WANT MY GPFS!!
I don't listen to Pink Floyd. I don't think I've ever heard a Roger Waters song. But I can appreciate this story. This is more than a fan just posting about some band he or she likes. The point is that he (Roger Waters) is using the internet to help him in his upcoming album. It's about collaboration. It's about including you and me and everyone on the internet in his artwork. Is it really that hard to look past all your biases and appreciate this for what it really is?
Ok, it's probably nothing new. I'm sure there are other instances of artists collaborating with fans over the internet, but c'mon. Listen to the A/C. Despite what you might feel, this is Rob's slashdot, not yours. You don't like it? Try complaining to him, instead of cluttering this thread with your rants. No one wants to read them. Some of us might actually have an interest in this thread, so be a nice slashdotter and go read a katz article.
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More importantly, if his lyrics are to be influenced by the Web, I doubt it will do as well as it might on its own--Waters is a powerful lyricist in his own right, carrying much of the band in that respect.
Fighting the War on the War on Drugs.
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well now all we need is syd barrett to release a new one and us floyd fans will be set.
:D
like that will ever happen tho
Now, in a more civilized tone, the post is not just about Roger Waters, but involves the Web and other stuff. Secondly, I listen to Pink Floyd. I revel in it. It's Good Shit(tm). Am I no longer a geek or something?
Stop your whining and just skim over the post and then ignore it if you don't like the content. Geeks are just as varied as other people, with wide ranges in taste.
So like I said before--y'all can go to Hell. Stop whining.
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The bands today are total shit. Plain and simple. I haven't heard an original piece of music in almost 30 years!
Now it's total gimick..."gee, let's blend disco with rap with country with rock with ______(fill in the blank here)".
It's all been done before. NOTHING out there is original. There are only so many ways you can play the same 3 chords.
The word has, in fact, not moved on. A quick look at the Billboard charts will tell you the Dark Side of the Moon(a PF album) is STILL on the top 200. It was released in 1973, for god's sake, and it's still on there. Pink Floyd's music has stood the test of time. Lets see how long Ricky Martin stands out.
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Please, hate me enough to give me more money!! Pretty please...with sugar on top!!!
Pardon me, I have to get back to my "oldie" rock mp3s
The 16 yr olds might not understand, but I don't understand
lottsa what they understand so it's cool I guess.
I remember when Waters/Floyd were things that only heads and geeks
understood (along with Yes, Tangerine Dream...)
-kaha-
What will ever top the depth of "the Final Cut"? An internet album would be interesting, but it's a step down from praying for peace and sanity in the world. It's not like your average guerilla soldier or hateful politician would care about his work anyways. For that matter I'd say that your average shmuck has never bothered to listen to him either.
Whining that Roger Waters isn't as good w/out Pink Floyd is like saying some guy isn't as good without his ex-wife from 15 years ago. Leave the dude alone already!
"All you know about me's what I sold you, dumbf--, I sold out long before you ever even heard my name. I sold my soul to make a record... Now shut up and buy!" -Tool
If this was about syd coming to make som more music i would be uinterested... rodger w + all the other boys kicked syd out...
Geeks come with an incredible range of interests. I would think that would be obvious to most of us. We don't all listen to techno and read post-cyberpunk SF. Okay, I do both of those. And one of my all time favorite albums is Welcome to the Machine. I range from so mainstream my parents should be proud to so obscure that no one here would recognize every one of the artists.
One of the great things about open source is that we can each bring our ideas, skills, and needs to a project and come away with some fantastic tools. Is there a reason that our diversity would stop with software?
Oh, and Res Geek, you were one word short of a good Charlie Daniels reference.
The net will not be what we demand, but what we make it. Build it well.
I strongly agree. I do not believe such things should appear as news items on here. Technology and entertainment are seperate. Note how this is the same person who posted that huge QT4 south park like movie a while back, which I duely noted my resentment for. The "geek" community needs to work on it's taste. I find pink floyd and anything that has to do with it highly yawnable. As I am not in a ranting mood at the moment, I will refrain from the flame starters. Half trollingly yours,
The jaded guy
part one - information.
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re each small candle - looks like he'll have a song in something like an amnesty international compilation. pretty cool, though he's done that before.
on the other hand, as admitted before (on the web site and in the new york times), he's been working on an opera (!!!) called ca ira for quite a while. it's about the french revolution, and planned to be released somewhere around fall 2000.
not to mention of course the recent tour of the u.s. (anyone else seen the chicago show?), and the planned 2000 tour...
part two - critique.
re waters' lyrics - i think they've grown quite a bit. if that means the loss of quasi-intellectual vagueness, so be it. it's for the better.
just look at the final cut - musically it's a poor brother of the wall, but the lyrics carry so much more significance! it's no longer a bitter semi-autobiographical satire of the society, but an powerful political commentary. the lyrics have been given greater prominence than in previous albums, and while some people may bitch about it, i consider it a big plus.
(then of course there's radio k.a.o.s. yeah, i know. it sucked. the story was okay, but the delivery - just the fact that he had to write out the synopsis before the lyrics started should've been a warning sign. oh well. there's one in every phonography.
pros and cons of hitchhiking, on the other hand, is sheer brilliance. the leitmotif of the whole album - hitchhiking as a metaphore for relationships, and travel as a way of exploring the world and exploring yourself - works incredibly well with the lyrics. the examination of painful ways in which people treat each other is especially compelling. btw, this might be the most verbose album in the history of rock. but it works very well.
and finally, amused to death. it's definitely not a pop album. it stands against consummerism, against war, against militarism, and against unexamined patriotism (which can be a medicine especially difficult to swallow here in the u.s.). the problem is, it exposes the audience (and the society at large) as a mindless mob, following the path of convenience and thoughtlessness, unaware that it only leads towards self-destruction. but it's not a message that anyone would like. nobody wants to be told they're not as hot as they think they are. [1]
but i'll admit readily, these last two are not easy albums. almost anyone can pick up dark side and connect with the music - because the lyrics were designed to speak of simple facts of life using simple words. [2] but the same is not true of amused, pros and cons, or even the final cut. those require not just listening, but reading the lyrics, and working to understand them. less like space rock, more like literature.
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[1] btw, in regard to this, the album goes very much in the spirit of the original neil postman book, but unlike the book, it's quite coherent.
[2] see schaffer's a saucerful of secrets - the pink floyd odyssey for a great account of the creation of dark side (not to mention the remainder of the history of the band).
My other car is a cons.
it is in a nerd category for sure, yet that it is
not the problem.
its all the ipo and stock hype / crap !?
Get an account. Voice you "resentment" with a name and email to back it up or get the fuck out.
If you don't like it so much, start your own site. Obviously there's enough want for these types of articles that they're worth posting. A bunch of weak ACs bitching about it is not a good way for "the community" to tell the posters that their choice of content is not appreciated by the majority.
Man, you guys are really down on this. I was reading the posts and a lot of you dont think this is appropriate news to be posted on /. Well, you guys will hate me for this, but, lighten up. I understand you may not like his music, but not everything has to be strictly Linux on here.
I want to be able to submit patches. For example, I'll sing melodically and add my own back-masking. Boy, this is gonna be GREAT!
"It's overkill, of course. But you can never have too much overkill." - Anonymous Slashdot Coward
We need a new moderation category:
elitist
Q.
No, not elitist. How about: Not Stupid. He seems to have a grasp of Pink Floyd, music theory etc. Just cos its not south park or whatever doesnt make him an elitist.
Let's see.
The pro's and cons of Hitch-hiking, solo album 1 -
Sixties and Seventies entertainment: drug use and sex.
Radio Kaos:
Radio and the Cold War
Amused to Death:
Television and consumerism.
Next As Yet Unnamed Album:
The Internet & something else?
The net impacts a persons life once they start using it day in day out. DId you NOT EXPECT this to translate into music? Look at music, look at the things it talks about. It has always been, in part, a reporting of the times they were crafted in.
Townshends Quadrophenia was about a particular set of cultural and societal events speheres. All thesongs about driving your chevy with the girl you love...PUNK, at its best was always a commentary on the times and forces.
So why do we have this knee jerk reaction against any artist who starts placing the net in the fore of the tale being told? Well I think part of it might be the overexposure in the last 5 years. I have to say back in '86 i never thought the net would be this much a part of so many peoples lives. There sheer forces that moved acorss the 90's is worthy of some great works.
Townshend is finaly seeing a way to do his long itme Lifehouse project in part due to the fact that the net has grown to a point where his vision can be shared in the manner he wants. think of that, in someones life time the means to get a bizzare expression out of thier skull and into others is becomming avialable in ways not thought of before. this opens not only the possiblity of these works to be done up, but the process itself becomes a focal point.
The process becomes one of the forces of culture, of society, of the day in day out lives of so many that it is a prome topic for a work. I see Waters getting into this as a logical and welcome progression in the path of his life times work.
If it happens that in the next 5 years both Waters and Townshend will have completed and delivered works hither too unable to be done, i will be very happy .
It will also mean that it is NEWS FOR NERDS, STUFF THAT MATTERS inthat it will have used the things that impact us here on slash dot in ways that make it newsworthy. For those who have thier ONE TRACK heads stuck up their one track colons i can only say this, your mindset is part of the problem. You are in no uncertian terms part the force that degrades the progress of things. You have been around from the beging and will be around to the end, but know that you will have your teeth kicked in by those forces of excelence that you so despise. Water's "amused themselves to death" is all about you. Please, Die young and dont spawn.
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