My girlfriend's car was stolen a number of years ago, and when it was recovered, the police weren't even interested in taking fingerprints, despite the fact that there was damage inside the car and property was stolen out of it.
Honestly, are you trying to destroy your rep? How in the F*^% is this related to IT?
And it's not even the stupid articles on the front page (I never even got around to turning idle off), it's WHY... what are you TRYING (and failing) to accomplish? I know sourceforge has stated that they wanted to increase revenues, but they know this will just piss off the users and do nothing of the sort, right... right? I'm a geek, I want to know WHY. Will you answer me, or are you just looking to generate more disagree mail... if you're looking for disagree mail, at least that would have *some* form of logic behind it.
Management can't be that dumb - I mean, they did oversee the expansion of the/. site for the past few years, and I consider it to be pretty cool (declining, but still cool). Does anyone know of any options to/. that are as cool (minus the idle garbage, of course)?
Well, I think you misread my post. I wasn't advocating locking this stuff in a box where only the "smart people" can handle this stuff, by any means. That would practically guarantee something nasty happening.
On the contrary, I was stating that if our collective intelligence as a species is not high enough to handle this powerful tech, then we may be 1) Victims of our own inventions in the sense that they permanently destroy us or 2) Keep hitting a wall of advancement, where, when we advance to a certain point, destructive forces act to knock us back down in terms of technological advancement.
Dunno how near we are, but in my estimation, we're either going to get destroyed by our creations, or they'll take control of themselves.
I'm not 100% sure of them taking control of themselves (software still isn't really close IMHO), but some of this crap put into the hands of a few nutsoid individuals will be enough to push us back at least 50 years or so... given the trajectory of the power and portability of new technology, I think that's pretty difficult to argue against.
So, in my estimation, singularity is the optimistic viewpoint.
Yeah, I'll grant you that. I don't know the specific extent to which these things are actually adaptive, but things like captcha breaking still get my attention because of the skill that needs to be involved in creating the algorithms. So I really don't doubt there are some very sophisticated programs running around the net looking for targets.
I do admit, it's half crazy, but I don't think the concern is totally unwarranted, especially since these things are essentially designed to target and destroy.
Because I'm programmed by Darwin to not want to die by a more advanced form of life. Maybe you can make the intellectual leap to walk into the mouth of a god, but I can't - at least not if I don't have to.
If a botnet is designed to attack, disable and/or infect computer systems (as I'm assuming these botnets were designed to do from what I read in TFS), and it is sophisticated enough to adapt and create new strategies, then our first experience with a highly adaptive AI may very well be having it shut down everything with a cord attached to it.
I swear, some of the most adaptive, sophisticated, and advanced techniques seem to be coming out of the Botnets.
It's my (admittedly probably crazy) idea that we WILL begin to see "emergent intelligence properties" out of some sophisticated system at some point in time, whether it be Google, an AGI lab, or a botnet. I shudder at the prospect of our first AI of power will have grown from one of these botnets.
NOTE: I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow, but extrapolating the current state of botnets relative to the current state of other systems leads me to believe, on a relative basis, systems may be complex relative to one another as they are today. If that is the case, well... that would be bad.
I'm a capitalist - I don't think there's anything wrong with their objectives. But their methods suck. If they want to leverage this site, they can be a lot more creative than copying other sites and trying to sneak shit in the back door in miscategorized idle stories.
This story is kind of ok, I guess. The kind of thing I'd want to see in idle, if I felt like looking at it. It's not even the miscatigorization or the idle section (though idle does generally suck). The thing that bugs me is that I think they're just trying to jerk us around. Not cool.
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Please keep this crap in the idle section... PLEASE. What the hell are you guys thinking?
Being very optimistic, I hope moves like this on the part of the Chinese will ultimately lead to a "Technology Race" between the West & India on one side and China on the other - similar to the Space Race of yesteryear. The race will involve space, but likely be much broader and include robotics and AI advances.
Or maybe we'll get caught in a major bout of cock waving with one another and just kill each other off.
You may have a point, but to defend game design... that is some of the most difficult programming there is. And the skills learned in game design could easily be applied to military applications. There's a reason most game coding still happens in the US and Japan (relative to other coding that has been offshored much more than gaming).
I think I might buy one, I try to avoid 1.0 anything. This one should be solid. I've had my same cell phone for about 4 years now; guess it's probably time for an upgrade.
Hmm, good job in making me spend more than the typical 2 seconds reading a stupid AC quote. This one is so odd, I just had to sit and see if there was any meaning whatsoever - I still haven't found any. But again - compliments!
a highly unreliable and wasteful way to try to assure security
I disagree. It's a terrible thing that we do not have a force dedicated to cyber security, but I wouldn't call the individual security nets "wasteful".
Is it wasteful to have both an enterprise firewall AND anti-virus software? No, you should have a net at every point possible - especially if we're talking issues where the government would start to be concerned. In that case, the person sitting on the other side of an attack is likely as sophisticated as the highest paid engineers on our side. Redundancy is essential in that case.
I'd tend to agree with you, but it would be (IMHO) just a stepping stone to a fully interactive personal assistant who answers your questions and performs your tasks... ala the butler in Snow Crash.
Yeah, offtopic, but... does anybody know how tags actually work? I sometimes see tags which clearly deserve the whatcouldpossiblygowrong tag or suddenoutbreakofcommonsense tag, and I assume that when I enter the tag in, there are probably a ton of others doing the same. Sometime the tag gets on the story, sometimes not...
Then you've got stories like these with crazy tags... I mean, how many people could've possibly thought to enter !gramma and !wronguseofapostrophe.
How do these damn things work? Does anyone know? The engineer in me wants to figure it out.
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My girlfriend's car was stolen a number of years ago, and when it was recovered, the police weren't even interested in taking fingerprints, despite the fact that there was damage inside the car and property was stolen out of it.
Good for you, Finland.
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/. site for the past few years, and I consider it to be pretty cool (declining, but still cool). Does anyone know of any options to /. that are as cool (minus the idle garbage, of course)?
Honestly, are you trying to destroy your rep? How in the F*^% is this related to IT?
And it's not even the stupid articles on the front page (I never even got around to turning idle off), it's WHY... what are you TRYING (and failing) to accomplish? I know sourceforge has stated that they wanted to increase revenues, but they know this will just piss off the users and do nothing of the sort, right... right? I'm a geek, I want to know WHY. Will you answer me, or are you just looking to generate more disagree mail... if you're looking for disagree mail, at least that would have *some* form of logic behind it.
Management can't be that dumb - I mean, they did oversee the expansion of the
Well, I think you misread my post. I wasn't advocating locking this stuff in a box where only the "smart people" can handle this stuff, by any means. That would practically guarantee something nasty happening.
On the contrary, I was stating that if our collective intelligence as a species is not high enough to handle this powerful tech, then we may be 1) Victims of our own inventions in the sense that they permanently destroy us or 2) Keep hitting a wall of advancement, where, when we advance to a certain point, destructive forces act to knock us back down in terms of technological advancement.
Dunno how near we are, but in my estimation, we're either going to get destroyed by our creations, or they'll take control of themselves.
I'm not 100% sure of them taking control of themselves (software still isn't really close IMHO), but some of this crap put into the hands of a few nutsoid individuals will be enough to push us back at least 50 years or so... given the trajectory of the power and portability of new technology, I think that's pretty difficult to argue against.
So, in my estimation, singularity is the optimistic viewpoint.
Yeah, I'll grant you that. I don't know the specific extent to which these things are actually adaptive, but things like captcha breaking still get my attention because of the skill that needs to be involved in creating the algorithms. So I really don't doubt there are some very sophisticated programs running around the net looking for targets.
I do admit, it's half crazy, but I don't think the concern is totally unwarranted, especially since these things are essentially designed to target and destroy.
Because I'm programmed by Darwin to not want to die by a more advanced form of life. Maybe you can make the intellectual leap to walk into the mouth of a god, but I can't - at least not if I don't have to.
If a botnet is designed to attack, disable and/or infect computer systems (as I'm assuming these botnets were designed to do from what I read in TFS), and it is sophisticated enough to adapt and create new strategies, then our first experience with a highly adaptive AI may very well be having it shut down everything with a cord attached to it.
I swear, some of the most adaptive, sophisticated, and advanced techniques seem to be coming out of the Botnets.
It's my (admittedly probably crazy) idea that we WILL begin to see "emergent intelligence properties" out of some sophisticated system at some point in time, whether it be Google, an AGI lab, or a botnet. I shudder at the prospect of our first AI of power will have grown from one of these botnets.
NOTE: I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow, but extrapolating the current state of botnets relative to the current state of other systems leads me to believe, on a relative basis, systems may be complex relative to one another as they are today. If that is the case, well... that would be bad.
/me tips hat
It's called Java
This is certainly AI, what you're referring to is a more general AI... or AGI, in singularitarian parlance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_AI
Am I the only one that has found this? I purchased a new Thinkpad ~6 months ago and it's terrible for a variety of reasons...
I had great experiences with my previous two (IBM manufactured) Thinkpads.
C'mon Congressman Langevin, you don't have to hide behind the AC pseudonym, you're among friends here.
I'm a capitalist - I don't think there's anything wrong with their objectives. But their methods suck. If they want to leverage this site, they can be a lot more creative than copying other sites and trying to sneak shit in the back door in miscategorized idle stories.
This story is kind of ok, I guess. The kind of thing I'd want to see in idle, if I felt like looking at it. It's not even the miscatigorization or the idle section (though idle does generally suck). The thing that bugs me is that I think they're just trying to jerk us around. Not cool.
Please keep this crap in the idle section ... PLEASE. What the hell are you guys thinking?
Being very optimistic, I hope moves like this on the part of the Chinese will ultimately lead to a "Technology Race" between the West & India on one side and China on the other - similar to the Space Race of yesteryear. The race will involve space, but likely be much broader and include robotics and AI advances.
Or maybe we'll get caught in a major bout of cock waving with one another and just kill each other off.
This was not destroyed by a meteorite, it was destroyed by a meteor. A meteor becomes a meteorite only once it hits Earth.
I can't believe no one has been pedantic enough to point that out yet.
You may have a point, but to defend game design... that is some of the most difficult programming there is. And the skills learned in game design could easily be applied to military applications. There's a reason most game coding still happens in the US and Japan (relative to other coding that has been offshored much more than gaming).
Yeah, sure will provide a ton of jobs to the Chinese who manufacture these things.
Not that I believe investing in education is bad, but passing it off as an economic stimulus is disingenuous.
They all mysteriously turn into not 0 or 1, but reach the nirvana of 2 and 3.
I think I might buy one, I try to avoid 1.0 anything. This one should be solid. I've had my same cell phone for about 4 years now; guess it's probably time for an upgrade.
Hmm, good job in making me spend more than the typical 2 seconds reading a stupid AC quote. This one is so odd, I just had to sit and see if there was any meaning whatsoever - I still haven't found any. But again - compliments!
a highly unreliable and wasteful way to try to assure security
I disagree. It's a terrible thing that we do not have a force dedicated to cyber security, but I wouldn't call the individual security nets "wasteful".
Is it wasteful to have both an enterprise firewall AND anti-virus software? No, you should have a net at every point possible - especially if we're talking issues where the government would start to be concerned. In that case, the person sitting on the other side of an attack is likely as sophisticated as the highest paid engineers on our side. Redundancy is essential in that case.
I'd tend to agree with you, but it would be (IMHO) just a stepping stone to a fully interactive personal assistant who answers your questions and performs your tasks... ala the butler in Snow Crash.
Now THAT I cannot wait for!
Yeah, offtopic, but... does anybody know how tags actually work? I sometimes see tags which clearly deserve the whatcouldpossiblygowrong tag or suddenoutbreakofcommonsense tag, and I assume that when I enter the tag in, there are probably a ton of others doing the same. Sometime the tag gets on the story, sometimes not...
Then you've got stories like these with crazy tags... I mean, how many people could've possibly thought to enter !gramma and !wronguseofapostrophe.
How do these damn things work? Does anyone know? The engineer in me wants to figure it out.