No no no. People can stand for their principles and let others know when something is wrong without coming across as a raving lunitic. RMS has done a lot but he turns people off and hurts his own movement with this issue.
Much like PeTA who recently have gone so far to say that having a baseball team named after an animal is bad somehow. That kind of crap is what turns people off to what could be a good message.
The public needs to hear that free software is better but all they hear is RMS screaming about a name. If you didn't know what his true message is what would you think? Its like a church that splits because some people want to redo the sanctuary in blue and others want it green. It completely takes away from the what's supposed to be the true message.
Is it not possible for something you create to eventually surpass you in every way? In ability, in strength, in firepower, in intelligence, in quickness, and so on? In fact isn't that the point?
eh? Name one thing that humans have created that they cannot control... just one. If I make a computer program, sure its a lot quicker at doing math than me but all the quickness in Math in the world isn't going to stop me from pressing Ctrl-C when I'm done using the program. The same idea can be applied to a lot of other things. If you create something you have the power to destroy it or to stop it. If my 2+2 program could suddenly start again without outside intervention (like Jesus rising from the dead) then your theory would be valid.
You name human potential as evidence that we are greater than God. In reality the fact that human potential is so great is a testimant to the mind-boggling greatness of God.
Completely agree about GIMP. But trying to tell this to the Gimp-developer crowd is a different story. My mom wanted to try GIMP because she couldn't afford Photoshop.
She hated it, just because it didn't *look* like Windows and nothing made sense to her (the algorithms and things you mentioned). I sent a message to Gimp-devel with some suggestions on how this could be helped (even asking for direction on how it could be implemented since I'm not a hardcore C coder), of course met only with flames. "Potato Shop Sucks!" etc.
I think half the problem with OSS is that developers implement what they think is cool and what is useful to them. Which is great! But if we want our software to take over the world we have to cater to the rest of people out there.
The GPL is great if I want to give my code away but a real problem if you are a company trying to make money.
I know there will be a lot of disagreement but I believe that its okay to sell software and get paid for it. I know the GPL doesn't forbid this but once you sell one copy then someone else could give it away for free.
What I'd like to see is a fair-use license. Basically it would follow fair use laws.
You can see the source code and learn from it!
You can use portions of the source code in new projects so long as you document where the code came from and release source to those portions of your new code (probably some guidelines would need to be made define how far a derivitive work could go before it was just a copy).
You could give a copy to your friend but not public distrobution
You could install it on any computer you own
I think a license like that really would benefit both consumers and software companies. Personally I'd like to see an M$ settlement along those lines
Okay using a bit of Perl we find that this article had 10 instances of the word 'cyber' in it. A stupid meaningless buzz word. Any competant admin who updates their system has very little to fear from
I especially love the part where it tells us how 'future conflicts will be cyber in nature'. Whatever, we dropped bombs in WWII without computers I'm sure we can do it now.
I'll move my site to.com as soon as you can do away with the evil domain hijackers known as Network Solutions.
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Agreed. We don't have the right to pirate software. Its illegal. Its been illegal for a very long time. I don't understand why that's not clear to people
The company doing this is stupid simply because it won't work. But crapflooding them and childish whining is just going to make us all look like software pirates.
But the way I understand it Elcomsoft actually had (has?) an office with real employees in Chicago. So the US is within its right to claim jurisdiction in the case.
In the case of Yahoo France, The server that serves up Yahoo France is still in the US and thus France does not have jurisdiction.
That's hilarious... maybe if we got rid of Disney Cruise Line the same way it would send a clear signal to the enterainment industry that we mean business...
To all of the oh-my-gosh-I-can't-be-secret-anymore posts:
Unless you have committed a crime. Why would the fed/police/gov want to track you? I mean the police are overworked as it is, why would they want to track people that they have no reason to be suspicious of?
I'm refusing to be paranoid until I have a good reason to do so.!
Don't blame X. Blame GTK+, Qt, Motif, etc. A policy-less GUI means it won't impose a standard on you. Because of this, a KDE program can drag and drop from my FreeBSD box to a program running remotely on my Solaris box. Otherwise there would have to be some standard out there with enough teeth for Sun to adhere to. A standard with that much teeth in it is detrimental to my freedom.
Unfortunatly in the real world its hard to place the blame on GTK, QT etc. when they have to make their own policies. It wouldn't be such a big problem if everyone used only KDE or only Gnome, I don't know anyone that doesn't use programs from both and lots a people do that on a completely different window manager. If things like cut and paste were an API in the X server itself we would have so much more consistancy on the Linux desktop.
How can we expect everyone to play nice without some kind of standard way of doing it?
Hence my questioning the value of organized religion where people are placed in power over others.
As do I. I personally am Baptist. As I see it God is my authority. I'm free to make my own choices. My pastor might actually ask me about those choices but he has no power to choose for me or make me do something else. (Neither does anyone else)
So by that that def I'm not in a religion where people are placed in power over me.
I apologize for perceiving you as ignorant. I immediatly thought your post was more of a knee-jerk reaction to religion, I was wrong for that and I am sorry.
You obviously don't know very much about religion. Religious organizations run hospitals,schools where there are no other schools nursing homes, counseling/drug abuse centers and countless charities. I personally know of tons of religious people who helped with the WTC attacks, simply by going there, preparing food for victims, giving firemen a drink of water.
I'm a Christian. But just like every other human I'm responsible for my actions to God and to the laws of the country I live in. I don't condone the people who carried out the Crusades (BTW if you read history Muslims were killing Christians and Jews too and I don't condone either side), I don't condone any Christian who does anything in the name of God that flies in the face of Jesus' teachings.
Same goes for the terrorists, they did what they did out of hate, which is not a teaching of Islam. A lot of religious people helped clean up the mess as well.
Religion has brought stability to society, it has educated people when the govt wouldn't. It has given to people in need. And it has given meaning to life for countless around the world.
You are free to believe that what I believe is a hoax, that I'm brainwashed, whatever, but please don't take certain moments in history where people have done bad things in the name of religion and apply it to religion or religious people in whole.
That said: Scientology is not a religion. Its a congame disquised as one. It is an attempt to steal money from people, not to help them. Not all religious organizations require that their members give money. My church asks for an offering, they don't force me to give it, I do it because it helps to send people to places like New York, it helps pay for those schools and hospitals and charities. It helps feed my pastor and his family (and by no means is he rich, he actually works a second job to make enough money).
The vast majority of religious people want to help the world, not steal from it. I apologize for the few who have given you the opposite impression
I agree whole heartedly. The problem seems to be that when you do view source that Moz reloads the page without the posted material... I can't understand why it doesn't just show what it just parsed like NS 4 does.
Thats the sad thing. I still keep NS4 around, even though it renders like crap it can show me the full output of my CGI scripts, syntax highlighted and detection of some HTML errors.
regarding DSLmonster.com's scam to offer free broadband access for the price of only two spam's a day
What a second. The linked article says that customers were double and triple billed. What did they get 4-6 spams instead of 2? Or is this statement wrong and there was a cost for the service?
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No no no. People can stand for their principles and let others know when something is wrong without coming across as a raving lunitic. RMS has done a lot but he turns people off and hurts his own movement with this issue.
Much like PeTA who recently have gone so far to say that having a baseball team named after an animal is bad somehow. That kind of crap is what turns people off to what could be a good message.
The public needs to hear that free software is better but all they hear is RMS screaming about a name. If you didn't know what his true message is what would you think? Its like a church that splits because some people want to redo the sanctuary in blue and others want it green. It completely takes away from the what's supposed to be the true message.
Yes but Star Wars isn't a future. Its "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away ... "
You can save entire webpages with mozilla as well. Creates a nice little directory with the images.
Moz also has themes with which you can change the look and its one of the easiest packages on *ix to install IMHO
Is it not possible for something you create to eventually surpass you in every way? In ability, in strength, in firepower, in intelligence, in quickness, and so on? In fact isn't that the point?
eh? Name one thing that humans have created that they cannot control... just one. If I make a computer program, sure its a lot quicker at doing math than me but all the quickness in Math in the world isn't going to stop me from pressing Ctrl-C when I'm done using the program. The same idea can be applied to a lot of other things. If you create something you have the power to destroy it or to stop it. If my 2+2 program could suddenly start again without outside intervention (like Jesus rising from the dead) then your theory would be valid.
You name human potential as evidence that we are greater than God. In reality the fact that human potential is so great is a testimant to the mind-boggling greatness of God.
Well if this passes in Europe I wonder where Alan Cox will move too. South America. Pretty soon he might have to consider the moon...
:)
Completely agree about GIMP. But trying to tell this to the Gimp-developer crowd is a different story. My mom wanted to try GIMP because she couldn't afford Photoshop.
She hated it, just because it didn't *look* like Windows and nothing made sense to her (the algorithms and things you mentioned). I sent a message to Gimp-devel with some suggestions on how this could be helped (even asking for direction on how it could be implemented since I'm not a hardcore C coder), of course met only with flames. "Potato Shop Sucks!" etc.
I think half the problem with OSS is that developers implement what they think is cool and what is useful to them. Which is great! But if we want our software to take over the world we have to cater to the rest of people out there.
I know there will be a lot of disagreement but I believe that its okay to sell software and get paid for it. I know the GPL doesn't forbid this but once you sell one copy then someone else could give it away for free.
What I'd like to see is a fair-use license. Basically it would follow fair use laws.
I think a license like that really would benefit both consumers and software companies. Personally I'd like to see an M$ settlement along those lines
Okay using a bit of Perl we find that this article had 10 instances of the word 'cyber' in it. A stupid meaningless buzz word. Any competant admin who updates their system has very little to fear from
I especially love the part where it tells us how 'future conflicts will be cyber in nature'. Whatever, we dropped bombs in WWII without computers I'm sure we can do it now.
Stupid fear mongering, move along
Yeah same problem here. I was using Moz 1.0rc1 and Moz 0.99
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I think its an M$oft tactic!!!
I'll move my site to .com as soon as you can do away with the evil domain hijackers known as Network Solutions.
Agreed. We don't have the right to pirate software. Its illegal. Its been illegal for a very long time. I don't understand why that's not clear to people
The company doing this is stupid simply because it won't work. But crapflooding them and childish whining is just going to make us all look like software pirates.
Somewhat offtopic:
Does anyone know where to get some of the games that Loki ported? I've looked for them but can't seem to find them.
There is a version of NT 4 for Alpha. I understand that it doesn't run all that well though.
But the way I understand it Elcomsoft actually had (has?) an office with real employees in Chicago. So the US is within its right to claim jurisdiction in the case.
In the case of Yahoo France, The server that serves up Yahoo France is still in the US and thus France does not have jurisdiction.
Here you go
http://cryptome.org/broadbandits.htm
That's hilarious... maybe if we got rid of Disney Cruise Line the same way it would send a clear signal to the enterainment industry that we mean business ...
PS wish I had mods, parent deserves a +1 funny
I think we just /.ed Nigeria.
To all of the oh-my-gosh-I-can't-be-secret-anymore posts:
Unless you have committed a crime. Why would the fed/police/gov want to track you? I mean the police are overworked as it is, why would they want to track people that they have no reason to be suspicious of?
I'm refusing to be paranoid until I have a good reason to do so.!
Unfortunatly in the real world its hard to place the blame on GTK, QT etc. when they have to make their own policies. It wouldn't be such a big problem if everyone used only KDE or only Gnome, I don't know anyone that doesn't use programs from both and lots a people do that on a completely different window manager. If things like cut and paste were an API in the X server itself we would have so much more consistancy on the Linux desktop.
How can we expect everyone to play nice without some kind of standard way of doing it?
Your last statement says it all:
Hence my questioning the value of organized religion where people are placed in power over others.
As do I. I personally am Baptist. As I see it God is my authority. I'm free to make my own choices. My pastor might actually ask me about those choices but he has no power to choose for me or make me do something else. (Neither does anyone else)
So by that that def I'm not in a religion where people are placed in power over me.
I apologize for perceiving you as ignorant. I immediatly thought your post was more of a knee-jerk reaction to religion, I was wrong for that and I am sorry.
:) Yeah I'm meeting up with the mothership this afternoon.... or something
heheheehehe
Not preaching just pointing something out:
You obviously don't know very much about religion. Religious organizations run hospitals,schools where there are no other schools nursing homes, counseling/drug abuse centers and countless charities. I personally know of tons of religious people who helped with the WTC attacks, simply by going there, preparing food for victims, giving firemen a drink of water.
I'm a Christian. But just like every other human I'm responsible for my actions to God and to the laws of the country I live in. I don't condone the people who carried out the Crusades (BTW if you read history Muslims were killing Christians and Jews too and I don't condone either side), I don't condone any Christian who does anything in the name of God that flies in the face of Jesus' teachings.
Same goes for the terrorists, they did what they did out of hate, which is not a teaching of Islam. A lot of religious people helped clean up the mess as well.
Religion has brought stability to society, it has educated people when the govt wouldn't. It has given to people in need. And it has given meaning to life for countless around the world.
You are free to believe that what I believe is a hoax, that I'm brainwashed, whatever, but please don't take certain moments in history where people have done bad things in the name of religion and apply it to religion or religious people in whole.
That said: Scientology is not a religion. Its a congame disquised as one. It is an attempt to steal money from people, not to help them. Not all religious organizations require that their members give money. My church asks for an offering, they don't force me to give it, I do it because it helps to send people to places like New York, it helps pay for those schools and hospitals and charities. It helps feed my pastor and his family (and by no means is he rich, he actually works a second job to make enough money).
The vast majority of religious people want to help the world, not steal from it. I apologize for the few who have given you the opposite impression
I have trouble with it too. It doesn't crash but it does strange things. It keeps shifting pieces of the page over about 2 pixels.
.97. I guess here's hoping .99 will be better.
Chatzilla crashes.... very strange. I love
I agree whole heartedly. The problem seems to be that when you do view source that Moz reloads the page without the posted material... I can't understand why it doesn't just show what it just parsed like NS 4 does.
Thats the sad thing. I still keep NS4 around, even though it renders like crap it can show me the full output of my CGI scripts, syntax highlighted and detection of some HTML errors.
regarding DSLmonster.com's scam to offer free broadband access for the price of only two spam's a day
What a second. The linked article says that customers were double and triple billed. What did they get 4-6 spams instead of 2? Or is this statement wrong and there was a cost for the service?