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Slashback: Brilliance, Delay, Simputer

Slashback items of note tonight: One more report (the last word?) on the demise of Loki, a good move on the Brilliant/KaZaA front, and a little 12-month oopsie on the release schedule for the newest from Stephenson.

It's all fun and games until you end up in Bankruptcy. Born Game writes: "Loki was supposed to be declared dead today by the bankruptcy trustee. Dennis Powell has followed their story closely, and he has written a wrapup that will break your heart and make you mad."

I hope he's making it longer than Cryptonomicon. We reported that Neal Stephenson's new book Quicksilver was due last month. An anonymous reader pointed to this page at Amazon UK, writing "the book is due out March 6th next year, not this year. Meh."

Maybe calling it Brilliant wasn't such a bright idea. asv108 writes: "According to this article from MP3 Newswire, Cnet's Download.com has removed KaZaA media desktop due to concerns over Brilliant Digital Entertainment's hidden software."

It's still available elsewhere though; if you or someone you love wants to use such software regardless, TDScott writes: "In case anyone is having trouble convincing their friends that there's a problem with the b3d spyware installed with KaZaA, I've put together a quick summary page on what the problem is and how to remove it (use AdAware with caution) - pointing people to it might save you hours of explanation."

I hope these are available stateside, too. Pankaj writes "Simputer is All set to hit the market in India. The Open Source Computer (Both Hardware/Software) Has found its first makers in Encore Solutions who will start selling it within the next one month. {sources internal}. This will give the iPaq and Palms a run for their money, as the simputer is loaded with features like internal modem, smartcard reader and usb port. There are plans to add a gsm phone into it too -- watch out, Nokia! And one third the price; it's supposed to be 10,000 Indian Rupees. Thats around $210 try comparing it to the ipaq.

Did you ask what it is based on? It's Linux 2.4, man, with gtk and its developer kit it's as free as the hardware itself. This looks like hot stuff to go for.

231 comments

  1. Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The plan was a good one: Port the most popular Windows games to Linux. It would involve licensing the original titles, coding the ports, and selling them to a world full of eager Linux users and growing every day.

    I think the word that they are looking for is "giving them away for free". Because that's what happened.

    1. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like this company could of used a few businessmen and accountants rather than just programers. I guess this is why you have to take a few business classes when you are in college getting a computer science/engineering degree.

    2. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really brings home the point of

      1. Give software away for free.
      2. ??????????
      3. Profit!

    3. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by jonabbey · · Score: 2

      Giving them away for free? That's strange, I paid for all the Loki-produced games I have..

    4. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sucker.

    5. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could download, say, a Quake 3 Arena patch, get the binaries from it, and use Windows .pak (or whatever they are) files.

      Free.

    6. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Are you on crack?

      They weren't giving thier fucking games away, dingbat.

      Go troll someone else with your south park humour.

    7. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes...
      and also loki did not *port* quake3, ID has pade it's games for unix since like Quake1 i think. so your example==retarded

    8. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1

      I never had to take a business class, and I'm graduating with a CS degree in May. I'm just smart enough not to run my own company.

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    9. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet you wear loafers, too.

    10. Re:Next on Fox: When bad ideas get called good by cduffy · · Score: 1

      That you *can* do that doesn't mean that most people *do*. I only bought a few of Loki's games, but one of my friends has every last one of 'em -- and several are still in shrink wrap! Some people buy Loki's games just because they want to own and support commercial games for Linux.

  2. Quicksilver by 56 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hear that Neal Stephenson is writing it (Quicksilver, his upcoming book) with a pen in an effort to make it shorter.

    Here's hoping he fails.

    1. Re:Quicksilver by doooras · · Score: 2

      a... pen?

      they still make those?

      or do you mean a stylus?

      ; )

    2. Re:Quicksilver by Archie+Steel · · Score: 2

      Yes, he is using a stylus. And he's using that stylus on clay tablets. (Hmm, I wonder if that will go well with the OCR scanner...)

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    3. Re:Quicksilver by 56 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A fountain pen.

      "I've written every word of it so far with fountain pen on paper. Part of the theory was that it would make me less long-winded, but it hasn't actually worked. I think it has improved the quality of the actual work somewhat, simply because it is actually easier to edit something on paper than on screen. So usually every page of the original manuscript has been gone over 2 or 3 times before it goes into the computer and then when I type it into the computer that's another pass again where I can make changes if I want to."

      http://www.cryptonomicon.com/chat.html

    4. Re:Quicksilver by MaxVlast · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That sounds like how I write. I am miserable in a word processor. It's too easy to get sidetracked. When I write longhand, I have to organize my ideas. Also, I really like the aesthetic of pages and pages of my handwriting spread out in front of me. To each his own, eh?

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    5. Re:Quicksilver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      that is the best way to design, IMOHO. I always write out code/design before doing anything on a actual computer. Then again, I rarely write prose ;)

      Adam

    6. Re:Quicksilver by MaxVlast · · Score: 3, Funny

      I tried it with code, but I can't read my handwritten code worth beans. With English, it isn't hard to guess, but try fudging a regex!

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    7. Re:Quicksilver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yikes! In Sanskrit?

      The nam-shub of Enki?

      a;slfj a;wel rkja;lsdk f
      ]oawekf 'al;kj al;ksdj ;lakjf'
      ok
      asdlk
      a;lsdk'l;kjsd; ljkf kj;lkj
      sdlk asd-=092ue;lkm

    8. Re:Quicksilver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Sumerian, not Sanskrit.

  3. Re:In related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, omit the "the" between now and competitor.

  4. Quicsilver not coming out... by devross · · Score: 1

    ..for another year? Damn! Damn damn damn damn! I guess I really should have been looking at more sources as to when this thing was gonna come out. A friend that worked at the Tattered Cover bookstore here in Denver told me it would be out in May, I read it somewhere else...I had expectations! Guess I'll have to curb those expectations and become better informed...damn it.

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    1. Re:Quicsilver not coming out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey man, how can you trust them with the way they're withholding information from the police?

  5. The editors are morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


    All these stories have been posted before.

    Are you people actually paying for this???

  6. Kazaa Lite, by nexex · · Score: 5, Informative
    Better yet, have your friends use Kazaa Lite. Same great taste without the fat

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    1. Re:Kazaa Lite, by svferris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Better yet, use WinMX. It's a large non-distributed network with a lot of users. The program runs SO much faster than Kazaa.

      Overall, I stay away from anything running Gnutella or some other distributed network. I get so many packets running through my computer that I can't get anything else done.

    2. Re:Kazaa Lite, by Archie+Steel · · Score: 2

      BTW, I found out that WinMX works rather well with Crossover Office, as long as you select the "separate windows" style interface. Also, you only get black text in the windows, so don't use the "inverted" scheme or you won't see anything. I'd give it a 85% compatibility ranking.

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    3. Re:Kazaa Lite, by inerte · · Score: 1

      How about Gnutella?

      If you don't want Kazaa around, Kazaa Lite won't help. It still needs the huge FastTrack userbase.

      Karma whores out there, I bring you the meaning of an consistent opinion.

    4. Re:Kazaa Lite, by AKA+da+JET · · Score: 1

      Another great alternative is giFT. Its still in development (so you have to compile it yourself). But its based on FastTrack, is free software, ad/spyware free, and I am very pleased with the results I've been getting with it.

    5. Re:Kazaa Lite, by Pope+Slackman · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about Gnutella?

      Umm...Because it sucks?

      C-X C-S

    6. Re:Kazaa Lite, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      although folks complain about it, gnutella isn't too terrible on my fairly fast connection. I waste about 5KB/s - 30KB/s on network traffic, and suck down another 40K (capped) for uploads, and pull down about 100KB/s fairly constantly. (I've gotten almost every ST:TNG episode in the past few days)

      It *does* really need a good replacement. (FastTrack-ish protocols are a good next step, but still provide a limited view of the network, making it hard to find rare files)

      Adam

    7. Re:Kazaa Lite, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, don't steal music!

  7. good filesharing networks? by Fletch · · Score: 1

    ok, so we all know about the evils of the popular networks. are there any good ones left?

    it can't be down to gnutella and small opennap networks, can it?

    1. Re:good filesharing networks? by Prower · · Score: 0

      Try OpenFT and giFT (gift.sourceforge.net). Even at a peak average of about 300 users there's already around 1.8TB of files available for download. Fast searches and stable. And hey, easy to develop a client for as well; I'm surprised that there isn't one for that other OS already ;>

    2. Re:good filesharing networks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Direct Connect is a fine filesharing network. It is organized very much like IRC in that you don't connect to one central server, but rather independently run "hubs" (you can chat with other users on there too, similar to napster). However, there is a registry of public hubs available when you load up the client. Quite a bit of data online. Check it out.

    3. Re:good filesharing networks? by svferris · · Score: 2, Informative

      Direct Connect is particularly great for those of you trying to find DC games. There are tons of hubs dedicated to nothing but Dreamcast. Which reminds me...I really need to go find NHL2K2!

    4. Re:good filesharing networks? by rsteele19 · · Score: 1

      I've been more than happy with WinMX...

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    5. Re:good filesharing networks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh if only you knew of the joys of usnet bandwidth, and yEnc.

      alt.binaries.cd-image.dreamcast

      1.544Mbits downstream, with a good server thats near constant.

      yEnc - more binary less fluff

    6. Re:good filesharing networks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn yEnc! More and more pr0n is popping up with yEnc encoding. I am going to have to got to the trouble of upgrading my free news harvester. Damn yEnc!

  8. Simputer could be competition by speedfreak_5 · · Score: 1

    It runs a StrongARM chipset and runs linux for $210? Many newer palms sell for about 300-400 bucks. That thing better come stateside. Unfortunately, it doesn't say whether it will have a hard drive. It looks like its big enough to have one.

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    1. Re:Simputer could be competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why doesn't this thing have a CF slot? The SA1100 does all the work, all you need is a connector.

  9. I think I see the problem. . . by czardonic · · Score: 1, Troll

    selling them to a world full of eager Linux users

    I guess Loki has figured out the difference between users and customers.

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  10. Re:In related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was exactly 2 minutes before my post was modded down.

    Editors, I know you modded me down for that. What is the problem with me pointing out that a gigantic news site was down. It seems like worthwhile news to me. Many people would be interested in knowing that. Why is my post modded down, while this was not:

    a... pen?

    they still make those?


    My post may be somewhat offtopic, but so what? It gives many people something they would like to know. I think moderators, including the editors such as yourself, mod unfairly sometimes. I can understand modding down a goatse post. But why my post?

    You have to understand that sometimes people may want to talk about things that are offtopic. Maybe people want to talk about NASA in a linux article or Apache in a science article. I see no problem with that, as long as the posts are intelligent.

    Now put this back to '0'. People might want to see it. And please don't ban my IP. I am a good poster, with 40 karma.

  11. Speaking of Loki... by graveyhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone know who (if anyone) is going to maintain OpenAL? This is a promising spatial audio api, and I would hate to see it go by the wayside. Already I see dead links on their site (e.g. CVS server), and have to find backup FTP servers to get access.

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    1. Re:Speaking of Loki... by graveyhead · · Score: 1

      Whoops, here's the correct link. Aparently "openal.org" takes you to the loki site, but "www.openal.org" works fine. Duh.

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  12. Kazaa by tbx2000 · · Score: 1

    The problem with p2p applications is, the 'P's in p2p are kinda important. I use Kazaa, less because it is "a great application", but because theres a lot more files, because its a popular program, with all important eyeball share.. (or maybe, eardrum share.. :) More than spending time on creating a better program, maybe what we need is to do is spend a bit of time marketing what we have to "idiots" (read: the average non-slashdot reader).

    1. Re:Kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, just because i don't read slashdot doesn't mean i'm an idiot

  13. The Simputer by neo8750 · · Score: 1
    User profiles can be stored in Flash memory as accessible files or also in the SmartCard.

    I'm not to familiar with this system does that mean that each user could have its own SmartCard. Meaning that there account can be taken from simputer to simputer?

    I do like the idea and the design wouldn't mind one of these in blue. of course it would need Text-to-Speech in english. Not to crazy about learning Hindi.

    1. Re:The Simputer by MsGeek · · Score: 2
      I do like the idea and the design wouldn't mind one of these in blue. of course it would need Text-to-Speech in english. Not to crazy about learning Hindi.

      If it's got text-to-speech in India's native languages it's got it for English too. People in India often speak English better than we Yanks do.

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    2. Re:The Simputer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but they are speaking it with their own particular flourishes and peculiar idiosyncracies.

      Not to mention the sing-song cadences.

      I am thinking that there will be much work for the language parser trying to learn american english.

      MM
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    3. Re:The Simputer by Whatever+Fits · · Score: 1

      If it's got text-to-speech in India's native languages it's got it for English too. People in India often speak English better than we Yanks do.

      That i so true, my wife speaks better English than most of the people I know. Indians have some strange ways of formulating sentences that are not from the Brittish, rather their own linguistic influences.

      The biggest problem with this is that I couldn't imagine doing TTS for over 500 different languages! ;-)

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    4. Re:The Simputer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole idea of the Simputer is that a village will buy one collectively and each user will have his or her own profile on a SmartCard. I suppose they would then pay for the usage they make of the Simputer. This is so the impoverished rural population of India can gain the benefits of internet connectivity. It's a pretty classy idea that ought to be directly applicable to many Third-World countries.

    5. Re:The Simputer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The biggest problem with this is that I couldn't imagine doing TTS for over 500 different languages! ;-)

      Yeah, but the programming team that produced a solution for this would be swimming in riches greater than the dreams of Avarice...

  14. That Simputer looks awesomely nifty! by Osama,+er,+Jones · · Score: 0, Funny
    Yes, the Indian Simputer is very good. I think that all Americans should buy one! Some people say that agents of our Islamic enemy have infiltrated the factory and altered the computers so that American national security would be compromised, but this is a silly idea!

    I think that we should all buy a Simputer -- or maybe even two! -- and plug it into the Internet as soon as possible. It comes with much helpful Open Source software, such as BombRecorder, a program that American nuclear weapon workers can use to store information about American bombs! And it can synchronize with other Simputers using the power of the Internet! (Note that it is completely secure, because it is Open Source!) So I think that especially Americans who work for top secret military installations should purchase a Simputer.

    And that is not all! As it says on the article page, Simputer also supports voice recognition technology! It requires broadband, though, because the microphone data is transferred to Simputer's voice recognition servers (located in Pakistan). This client-server model ensures that your data is secure, because it uses Open Source software, which never has bugs.

    So go buy a Simputer today! And if you have a brother or perhaps a cousin who works for American intelligence agencies, he would probably appreciate a Simputer, which comes with advanced scheduling software such as ScheduleSpy, to help the federal employee manage his busy schedule! That is awesome, yes? It is phat! Wow!

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  15. Interface by Pravada · · Score: 1

    Read interface a loooong time ago...it's pretty good, but has the problem that many Stephenson books have (esp the Diamond Age) - whole chunks of plot feel like they're missing...

    Great paperback, tho.

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  16. Kazza by El+Pollo+Loco · · Score: 0, Redundant

    While I admire cnet for removing kazaa, it's not all that relevent. Here on my college campus(it's a school devoted to only sci/eng majors), most people didn't care about brilliant, much less know what a trojan was. John Q. Public needs more education before this will really be stopped.

    1. Re:Kazza by Cresferthip · · Score: 1

      everyone on a college campus knows what a trojan is...it's just geeks that think it's something to be protected against, not protection itself.

  17. Re:In related news by aberkvam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, people might want to see your post. And they might want to see goatse, MAKE.MONEY.FAST, or adds for the X10 camera. The fact remains that most users that click on the link to see commentary that is related to the article. Offtopic posts are generally as welcome as the items I just listed because we aren't expecting them and they are only wasting our time. If we wanted to read about a topic, we would search that topic out. Why not post your informations where people might be expecting it or perhaps submit it as a story? Thanks.

  18. Loki by RatBastard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Loki was not killed by a market not willing to buy their goods, though that did have some small contribution. It was killed by the absolute criminal incompitence of it's president.

    I feel sorry for the people who Loki owes money to. I feel no pity at all for Loki.

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    1. Re:Loki by VRisaMetaphor · · Score: 1

      ... and I feel bad for me because now I have to use Windows to play games :(

      A quote from the article said that the one good thing that came out of Loki was the friendships. Friendships are good, but I think he forgot about the games. Boy, they did some great work over there while they lasted....

    2. Re:Loki by treke · · Score: 1

      It doesnt seem like criminal incompitence killed Loki. I'd bet Mr. Draeker knew exactly what he was doing, stealing every cent that he could.

    3. Re:Loki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats what happens when a Lawyer runs the company... he knew what he could get away with.

    4. Re:loki by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 2
      perhaps another failing - other than scott - is that MOST linux users still think that free software means you don't have to pay money and would pirate loki games on the principle that everything should be free.
      Really? I don't know why you would say that... do you have experience to that effect? Linux ideologues certainly wouldn't. Any serious gamer is likely to have a Windows partition anyway. Are you sure you aren't just making this up?
    5. Re:loki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they would probably have doubled their sales if it wasn't for the users.

      Hmmm, what's wrong with this logic?

    6. Re:loki by fender0011 · · Score: 1

      Actually I agree with this statement. I never bought a linux game untill I heard loki was going under. I've been extremely happy with both the performance and stability of the games I've purchased.

      While it may be too late for loki I feel that at least a few of us have learned that it's worthwhile to purchase games under linux and will try to do so at every opportunity forthcomming.

    7. Re:loki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps another failing - other than scott - is that MOST linux users still think that free software means you don't have to pay money and would pirate loki games on the principle that everything should be free.

      Another problem was that they were publishing old games. I had warezed copies for Windows a LONG time before Loki published their ports. By the time Loki came around, I was already bored with them. Why bother buying them now?
    8. Re:loki by spir0 · · Score: 1

      • Really? I don't know why you would say that... do you have experience to that effect? Linux ideologues certainly wouldn't. Any serious gamer is likely to have a Windows partition anyway. Are you sure you aren't just making this up?


      damn sure I'm not making it up. I have a machine dedicated to windows myself. and one for linux. all the serious gamers I know have windows partitions or dedicated windows machines like myself. and nobody I know has paid for windows.

      people that I know that buy new computers buy parts or buy a system without an OS..

      ok, I tell a lie - there are some people who have bought complete systems like dell or whatever and have got the OSs, but they tend to be less technical and don't know how to install an OS.

      another example is Kylix by borland. they released a full commercial development suite and hardly anybody got into it because of the price.

      so they released a free version on the premise that you only release GPL code. I can guess that borland want to make it popular among hackers and open source coders to make it more popular and thus more viable in a commercial environment.

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    9. Re:loki by spir0 · · Score: 1

      it's a good start. as you say, too late for loki, but hopefully not too late for the industry. if more companies start porting games or start producing equal quality games exclusively for linux, and linux users start actually buying them, then linux becomes a more viable option.

      I personally will be buying dungeon siege for wintendows in a few days, but if I had the choice of it being available for linux - even if I had to wait a few months - I'd do that.

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    10. Re:Loki by Tom7 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm pretty sure that the fact that nobody was buying their products did them in. Lots of companies are run by sleazeballs, and many of them are quite successful...

    11. Re:loki by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that Linuxers aren't reluctant to pay for things, but rather that I don't think they pirated Loki games to a significant degree.

    12. Re:loki by Bandman · · Score: 2

      actually, Loki games were the only ones that I ever refused to pirate, mostly because I thought (innocently maybe) they were doing the "Right Thing". I always told my friends that asked for them to go buy them.

      One of the stats I was looking for in the article and didn't see...I have always wondered how many games Loki sold the day that the first article appeared on /. about them filing Chapter 11. Their ordering page was slashdotted within minutes, and after that for a long time. I had to wait several hours before I could order SimCity3000 (which is now at EB in the mall for $10) @ $30-some. It's pretty easy to believe that they made a LARGE chunk of their profit on that day, if the numbers in the article are accurate.

    13. Re:loki by God!+Awful · · Score: 1


      While it may be too late for loki I feel that at least a few of us have learned that it's worthwhile to purchase games under linux and will try to do so at every opportunity forthcomming.

      Will you? Won't you feel even worse when you pay for a game and the company still goes under?

      -a

    14. Re:loki by Cato+the+Elder · · Score: 2

      "they would probably have doubled their sales if it wasn't for the users."

      Actually, they wouldn't have had any sales if it wasn't for the users.

    15. Re:Loki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The difference today between a criminal and a businessman is that the latter contacts his lawyers before the heist.

      Amiga comes to mind here too.

    16. Re:loki by demon · · Score: 1

      I personally bought 5 different Loki games, costing me well over $200 (not to mention trouble with Digital River - geez, they suck). I personally know many Linux users who bought Loki games - some for no other reason than hoping to see them succeed.

      At least it's somewhat vindicating to see the real story behind what happened, and to find out that it wasn't (necessarily) a business _model_ problem, but an _implementation_ issue. Too bad they're gone, I liked their games. (Too bad you now _have_ to warez them if you want them.)

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    17. Re:loki by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I'm a programmer/sysadmin, rather than a gamer primarily; I never bothered having a separate gaming Windows install, so when I purchased Loki's ports, they were new for me.

      Anyhow... how could one get bored with Tribes 2 so quickly? :)

    18. Re:loki by fender0011 · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be the first time I've purchased a product(esp. with regaurds to technology) and then the company goes under.

      Anyways I'm willing to take that chance, it's part of being an early adopter of a technology. Which is what, for the most part, everybody using linux on the desktop are doing.

    19. Re:loki by God!+Awful · · Score: 1


      It wouldn't be the first time I've purchased a product(esp. with regaurds to technology) and then the company goes under.

      Anyways I'm willing to take that chance, it's part of being an early adopter of a technology. Which is what, for the most part, everybody using linux on the desktop are doing.

      Well then you're way more dedicated that I am. Given similar prices, I have some customer loyalty. For example, I buy all my cds from my favorite local music store because I know that when I want a cd that's hard to find then they will have it. I want them to stay in business. It's a bit inconvenient to go all the way downtown to buy a cd, but there's a restaurant nearby that I like so I justify it that way.

      But that's only because they have the same (or better) prices as the big chains. I wouldn't buy cds from them if I could get them all for free (legally).

      -a

    20. Re:loki by spir0 · · Score: 1

      possibly where you are. but around here, I only saw one person buy a loki game.

      not that more than 3 retailers I know of in this country ever bought them to the shelves.

      --
      The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
    21. Re:loki by spir0 · · Score: 1

      I believe it.

      but sadly, although the mentality of linux gamers around here (new zealand) should be more like yours and mine, there's just not a lot of loyalty or interest in paying for things here. there are the exceptions as I've said, but they are very few and far between.

      I'd probably go as far as to say that the numbers per capita are probably similar in the states for those who do and don't want to pay for linux games (or any games for that fact) but because we're such a small country, it makes it hard to find those people.

      from my experience, more people around here are paying for windows games - not that many of those have actually paid for windows.

      it's a weird mentality.

      right now, I'm off to buy dungeon seige. well, maybe just a few more hours on my friends copy..

      --
      The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
    22. Re:loki by spir0 · · Score: 1

      very perceptive. but if MORE users liked to buy games, then they would have sold more. my estimation is that they could have made another 7000 sales worldwide which effectively doubles the number sold.

      --
      The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
    23. Re:loki by spir0 · · Score: 1

      I guess it would be nice if someone took up the distribution mantle of those already produced games - like the original pulishers of the windows games, for example.

      just so we can see them again.

      maybe interest will pick up, and another company, after reading the truth about loki, will decide porting new games is a good idea.

      surely now with the larger number of linux users things will be more positive.

      --
      The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
  19. Creative labs? by red5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you go to the member companies page on the openal site: Here
    It lists Creative Labs and Loki Entertainment Software.
    My guess is that Creative Labs will maintain this.
    They have been good with opensource in the past

    --
    I know I'm going to hell, I'm just trying to get good seats.
  20. What I would like to know... by manly_15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...is what the official Cnet policy will be. Does this mean that Cnet will remove all programs with known spyware? Does this represent a shift in large corporations towards the anti-spyware movement? I shall wait and see...

  21. The best line in the Draeker article by rw2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    """The deposition took on a surreal air at times, with Draeker refusing to say whether or not he is a lawyer and in one spectacular moment testifying that as president of Loki he could say how much had been paid to Scott Draeker and when, but as Scott Draeker he could not say whether he actually received the money."""

    1. Re:The best line in the Draeker article by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyone running a startup, especially a startup with slim chances (and that doesn't take 20/20 hindsight to say) is going to be operating in a reality distortion field, it is practically a requirement of the job. Such fields are good when you need to motivate people to do the otherwise impossible, but they can easily get out of hand, and often do. So, it really is no surprise that the guy continues to live in his own surreal world.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    2. Re:The best line in the Draeker article by suffe · · Score: 2, Funny

      "...in one spectacular moment testifying that as president of Loki he could say how much had been paid to Scott Draeker and when, but as Scott Draeker he could not say whether he actually received the money."

      Thus proving he was in fact a lawyer...

      --

      Karma: 2.71828182846 (Mostly due to small, fun pills)
    3. Re:The best line in the Draeker article by colmore · · Score: 3, Funny

      and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Kurt Godel didn't become a CEO

      --
      In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
    4. Re:The best line in the Draeker article by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      and a perfect example of why you never EVER trust or work for a lawyer.

      they are professional liars. and Draeker is another example of this.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  22. Re: your .sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's probably misspelled -- "czar" in Russian starts with . The proper English transliteration of the Russian word is "tsar," but the English word meaning "Russian king" is spelled "czar" due to its New Latin roots.

  23. Enron vs. Loki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder who would win...

  24. Loki: Bummer, Man... by IronTek · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's a shame what happend to the good geeks working at Loki. To think...if the company had just been run by people who knew what they were doing, maybe we'd have CounterStrike or JediKnight II to play with right now!

    Good programmers don't mean enough when you don't have good managers running the business aspect of a company.

    1. Re:Loki: Bummer, Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To think...if the company had just been run by people who knew what they were doing

      That pretty much sums up the dot-com boom and bust.

    2. Re:Loki: Bummer, Man... by cropserion · · Score: 1

      True...

      I currently work for a web development company and it _seems_ to me that it is surviving on credit. A few time pay has been "delayed" because they are "waiting for funds".
      We have some pretty bright folks working here and I have suggested to managment that we need a forum for swapping ideas with them on what we can do and the current direction, But I am shot down everytime. The manages don't really want to know what we think.

      Currently I am getting ready to leave and other are too.

      Management needs to listern more.
      My 2cents

    3. Re:Loki: Bummer, Man... by Dragoness+Eclectic · · Score: 2

      From hard-earned experience, I can tell you that you should get out while the getting is good. Any time a company misses payroll, (or worse, issues rubber payroll checks), it's a bad sign--because making payroll is the very first priority and responsibility of any legitimate employer. Your company is going under.

      Get out while they still have the funds to pay you severance. Also, if you jobhunt while still employed, you don't have that desperation that makes one jump at bad deals just to have a paycheck coming in.

      --
      ---dragoness
  25. so draeker was a lawyer, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [insert lawyer joke here]

  26. Sounds like a guy I worked for! by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2
    The Loki story with the promised, delayed checks sounds like a guy I worked for.


    Barry Lewis kept promising checks, but never paid. I heard from one person, that he used stock to pay the rent for his apartment. When I told him, he would get the source code for what I worked on, he then tried extortion and harassment. Not only did his extortion and harassment fail, but he was convicted of two counts last month. The district attorney handling the case wanted the judge to include anger management to his sentence because he had threatened the district attorney.

    1. Re:Sounds like a guy I worked for! by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 2

      Although my story doesn't involve any courts, I'm also reminded of a former employer. I started as the assistant to the office manager. Once I was trained, the office manager bailed and I was "promoted". I really should have realized what this meant, but I was fairly naived.

      As the office manager, I also did accounts payable and receiveable. Accounts payable consisted of calling creditors and explaining "no, we can't pay you this week, either". Accounts receiveable was easy -- there was only one, someone who subletted some office space. My boss kicked him out (for no reason I could see), making accounts receiveable even easier.

      When we finally landed a big contract with a big payment up-front, I made sure to bring payroll and taxes up to date before anything else was paid. Then, I quit.

      -Paul Komarek

    2. Re:Sounds like a guy I worked for! by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

      I worked at a place where my first paycheck bounced. 6 months later, one of the interview questions was, "so how much do they owe you?"

    3. Re:Sounds like a guy I worked for! by /dev/trash · · Score: 1
      I worked at a place where my first paycheck bounced. 6 months later, one of the interview questions was, "so how much do they owe you?"

      Perhaps when you go to the interview and there is a bean bag chair and a 2 by 4 laying on two buckets, you'll realize you ain't gonna get paid.

    4. Re:Sounds like a guy I worked for! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary - if you see this, it's a good sign that the company isn't wasting money on massaging office chairs and motive art.

    5. Re:Sounds like a guy I worked for! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > On the contrary - if you see this, it's a good sign that the company isn't wasting money on massaging office chairs and motive art.

      Very true. Not only that, it also shows they are honest, something an earlier poster failed to realise. This, my friends, tells us a lot of the state of our world.

      Related: Gandhi was once asked what he thought of Western civilisation. He replied it would be a good idea.

  27. What happened? by smagruder · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I submitted the story about the Simputer on August 21 of last year! How about some belated karma points? :)

    --
    Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
    1. Re:What happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offtopic? Re-read the article, please.

  28. Why Loki REALLY went under by OccSub · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody is going to wait for a company to port games over to Linux if they can boot up Windows on the same box. If Loki perhaps pursued licencing good games exclusively for Linux... then they would probably have had a better chance.

    1. Re:Why Loki REALLY went under by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if they could have pulled it off.

      Many companies were generous, like Dynamax, id, and Interplay. Others were grudging to their own hurt.

      --
      "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
      1 John 4:14
    2. Re:Why Loki REALLY went under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      doubt it.

      Porting is much more cost effective.
      Loki had almost no expenses for content creation. They didn't have to write game engines, they didn't need original music, images, models, skins, etc.

      They were a small group of very talented programmers. Not game designers or artists.

      I think it would have been in loki's interest to just be consultants working with existing game companies to help them write linux/mac/beos etc binaries or just platform independant code with SDL and stuff like that.
      They probably still wouldn't have made tons of money, but their overhead would have been much lower, and they'd might still be in business.

      Who knows? just my 2 cents.

    3. Re:Why Loki REALLY went under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any game company that begrudged Loki any "generosity" has no regrets about that now! They were 100% right not to cut Draeker any slack.

    4. Re:Why Loki REALLY went under by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      I'm not trying to support what loki did. We didn't know about this stuff when Loki was open though. Some releases were just WAY too late, like heros 3, etc. It was refreshing to see tribes 2 released "only" a month later than the windows version.

      because of loki's failure, nobody thinks games on linux are profitable, and they aren't if they get released months late.

      --
      "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
      1 John 4:14
  29. Here's hoping we see it in 2003... by aberkvam · · Score: 3, Informative
    From Neal Stephenson's own web site:
    All of my time and attention are spoken for--several times over. Please do not ask for them.

    It's not that I'm a mean guy, just that I have this book I want to finish, and I'm a long way from finishing it.

    *wince* Still a long way from having it done? We will probably very lucky if we see it by March 6, 2003.
    1. Re:Here's hoping we see it in 2003... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That line has been there forever in an effort to get annoying fanboys (like us) to shut the hell up and let him write.

    2. Re:Here's hoping we see it in 2003... by plaidfishes · · Score: 1

      Didn't he take a few years to get Snow Crash out? I say, if it takes him a bit longer to do great work, for gods sakes, don't try to hurry him.

  30. on losing by drDugan · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Said one, "All we lost was money. Scott lost his friends."


    ... Scott should lose his right to be with us anymore. He should be in prison, based on that story.

    1. Re:on losing by cperciva · · Score: 1

      ... Scott should lose his right to be with us anymore. He should be in prison, based on that story.

      I disagree. He deserves to win a Darwin award, but that's about it. Based on that story I don't think he ever deliberately acted criminally; he just didn't have a clue what he was doing.

    2. Re:on losing by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Informative

      >I don't think he ever deliberately acted
      >criminally; he just didn't have a clue what he
      >was doing.

      Certain types of failures when you're running
      a public corporation *are* crimes.

      There are plenty of situations where being in
      a position where you "should have known better"
      is enough to be charged with federal crimes.

      The tax issue is a big one to me. If you, the employee, have filed w-4 forms for withholding,
      and the company withholds the money from your checks but doesn't pay the taxes AND YOU HAVE
      NO WAY TO FIND THIS OUT or to correct it, how
      can you be held responsible?

      I think the person who did that needs to pony up
      the tax bill, then go to jail for 50 years.

      --
      -fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
    3. Re:on losing by aberkvam · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Well, according to an older article that was referenced on /. last month:
      During at least part of the period when employee payrolls were not met, Loki sometimes gave employees "advances" on salary owed. Former employees say that these advances were in the amount of their net pay; the benefit to the company was that federal and state taxes on the payroll were not paid, because the money was treated as loans rather than pay. This in turn resulted in the now-former employees receiving 1099 forms instead of W-2s in January. The 1099 covers moneys paid to non-employees, but more important to the former employees, it meant that they would now have to pay taxes -- and perhaps penalties -- on what would have been their net pay.
      If the company withheld the taxes they would have had some recourse. But it sounds like no money was withheld. I would suspect that the company didn't make the point clear and that the employees didn't ask. I haven't heard anything that implies that there was a deliberate effort to cheat the employees on this point, it was more likely bad communication. In any case, the employees owe the money and they never paid it. One would hope that they could get some kind of extension from the government but the debt is theirs to pay.
    4. Re:on losing by Cato+the+Elder · · Score: 1

      Every pay period I get a statement showing how much money has been withheld for various taxes, medicare, etc. This has been the case with every company I work for. Furthermore, it sounded like the employees knew by that point that their paycheck company had dropped them for failure to pay--at that point, I'd start demanding a lot of terms in writing, or I'd just walk.

      Regardless, however, "loaning" money to people instead of paying them is highly unorthodox, and probably is illegal unless they sign a contract agreeing to it.

    5. Re:on losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He deserves to win a Darwin award"

      What, are you going to track him down and castrate him? He still has kids.

      PS Please join the blackout. I don't want to see your crap anymore.

    6. Re:on losing by milo_Gwalthny · · Score: 2
      Using withheld tax money for operations *is* a crime. The penalties are generally particularly severe (as corporate penalties go): the debt can not be discharged in a bankruptcy, and the directors of the company are personally liable for its repayment. Note that this breaks two of the fundamental tenets of corporate law, as businesspeople typically understand it: something that can't be cleansed by a Chapter 11 filing, and something that pierces the corporate veil to the director level (even if the directors had no way of knowing.) Another fundamental understanding that businesspeople should have is: you can't screw the government out of money and get away with it (or "they who makes the laws makes them for their own benefit" which I hereby dub Gwalthny's law unless I unconsciously plagiarized it.)

      Of course, in this case they didn't spend withheld taxes, they were making loans in the guise of advances on payroll. Gwalthny's law now works on the employees: personal bankruptcy doesn't usually cleanse tax liabilities (but check with your lawyer!) On the other hand, the IRS is often open to negotiation, just like any other business.

      --
      Milo
    7. Re:on losing by milo_Gwalthny · · Score: 2
      I want to amend the last paragraph of my above post: it sounds from the article that the employees may have been employees in 2001, not contractors - if so, the directors of the company may be liable for the withheld taxes not paid to the government. This is what you should check with your lawyers.

      --
      Milo
    8. Re:on losing by ethereal · · Score: 1

      I find it hard to see how someone could have been switched from "employee" to "contractor" status without knowing about it. For one thing, that would require a new employment contract, since you'd be working under different status at this point. So either all the employees forgot about this (unlikely) or else Loki/Draeker are lying about the switch in employee status.

      It's sad, really - I liked Loki's games fairly well. Too bad their management were such poor business people and generally slime-like.

      --

      Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and

  31. Thank you Loki programmers! by gouldtj · · Score: 2

    The whole Loki thing is really sad. I guess all I have to say now is thank you to the Loki programers, it was you who made the company run (financially too by the looks of it :). And I get alot of enjoyment out of playing the games you ported. Thanks.

    1. Re:Thank you Loki programmers! by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 4, Informative

      And thanks for the code. SDL, OpenAL, and the Loki installer/uninstaller/updater are still with us. As is my stack of 8 Loki games (2 copies of tribes).

      -Paul Komarek

    2. Re:Thank you Loki programmers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes. Thanks indeed! I got 2 of your excellent products (so much for Linux users not willing to pay). Your work is doubly impressive if one considers the conditions of utter criminal mismanagment you had to overcome.

      Kudos and may luck be with you in your further ventures whatever they might be!

  32. Simputer by ryanflynn · · Score: 0

    I don't own any portables and am not really interested... I'd rather just have a decent laptop. But I would buy one of these.

  33. intrusive advertising by ilovekimmy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I don't mind the size of the ad, or that its in the middle of everything. I do find the fact that its on top of the text and preventing me from reading it quite annoying though.

    --
    I love Kimmy!
  34. Just one problem by screwballicus · · Score: 3, Funny

    My only concern with giFT is with the age of the current build, which, if the Download page is to be believed, was completed on January 1, 1900. Nostalgic computing is great and all, but...

    1. Re:Just one problem by AKA+da+JET · · Score: 1

      Yea, you have to get it from CVS, unfortunatly

  35. Ooooooh! by forii · · Score: 1

    This resulted in the sale of 7,487 units [of Civilization: Call to Power]; Loki sold about 1,500 others itself.

    I bought one of the 9000 copies of Civ:CTP that were sold. I feel like I'm part of an elite group! :)

  36. Being with us by Pac · · Score: 1

    But he did.

    His name is now written in Linux history as a jerk, a PHB, an Enronish manager. Any tech aware of his past deeds will prefer working for Taco Bell or even Microsoft.

    In this sense, he is no longer with "us".

    1. Re:Being with us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's changed his name once already. He'll probably change it again.

    2. Re:Being with us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know. Working at Microsoft isn't so bad, they're pretty darn nice as far as employers go. Using their products is a whole different matter though.

  37. Dimensions od Simputer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The web site gave every stat except for how large the thing is.

    It does look good.

    1. Re:Dimensions od Simputer? by pamri · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Simputer.org has more details than encore's site. Here are the specs, along with dimensions. BTW, even though the text to speech is available only in 2 languages (hindi & kannada), you can write your own text to speech engine, since it is completely open.

      You can help the organisation either financially or by developing applications. Follow for more details including a mailing list for developers.

      And do remember, it's target audience is farmers, small traders in developing countries. So, they require applications for these groups. For example, they are trying to developing financial applications that can give details about microcredit transactions of a villager in India, or one that gives details about land records, simple things else-where, but for which the bureaucracy has complicated procedures.

  38. Heroes of M&M III was pretty good! by jjohn · · Score: 2

    I picked up a copy of the Linux port for $5. Good times. It plays pretty smoothly on my celeron 400Mhz.

    1. Re:Heroes of M&M III was pretty good! by Bitmanhome · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Heroes of M&M's? Like the Red guy and the Blue guy?

      Terribly sorry, I just couldn't resist.

      --
      Not that this wasn't entirely predictable.
  39. Creative labs. by Svartalf · · Score: 2

    The Open Source page that you link to has the CVS access info and it seems they're hosting it for now. What's cool is that it seems they're working with the community to make full-function Audigy drivers for Linux.

    --
    I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
  40. Loki games by Christianfreak · · Score: 2

    Somewhat offtopic:

    Does anyone know where to get some of the games that Loki ported? I've looked for them but can't seem to find them.

    1. Re:Loki games by VRisaMetaphor · · Score: 1

      If you don't mind paying for them, you can check out tuxgames.com or linuxcentral.com.

      If, on the other hand, you're just looking for a free ride, well, you're on your own....

    2. Re:Loki games by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 3, Informative

      I recently bought a second copy of Tribes II from Tux Games (which seems to load somewhat slowly right now). I think there are a few other places, too, but I'm not able to find them right now.

      There are several good linux gaming sites, such as linuxgames and icculus.org. icclus.org has a nice faq and lots of projects, and linuxgames is a cornucopia of helpful info for gaming on linux.

      -Paul Komarek

    3. Re:Loki games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Texas (maybe elsewhere) you can often find shrink-wrapped copies of various Loki games at Half-Price Books. I picked up a copy of Railroad Tycoon for $10...runs great on my Pentium Pro 200.

  41. Why i stopped using KaZaA by peachboy · · Score: 1

    I had not read the bit on CNet about the distributed computing system that was being included with KaZaA until today. I find this interesting since the reason I switched from KaZaA to BearShare several weeks ago was because my whole computer became sluggish the moment I started KaZaA up, and 1ghz Thuderbirds aren't supposed to be sluggish. I don't know if this is what caused it, but I'm glad I stopped using it when I did nevertheless.

    --
    "I just want to thank my coach Eric a.k.a. Disco for shattering my reality..."
    1. Re:Why i stopped using KaZaA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the spyware is still on your system.

    2. Re:Why i stopped using KaZaA by peachboy · · Score: 1

      Actually, not anymore (thank God), since I got a new hard drive running as C and did a fresh install of WinXP Pro. Almost makes me glad that my XP install went haywire for no reason (prolly something my little sister did).

      --
      "I just want to thank my coach Eric a.k.a. Disco for shattering my reality..."
  42. loki by spir0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    perhaps another failing - other than scott - is that MOST linux users still think that free software means you don't have to pay money and would pirate loki games on the principle that everything should be free.

    they would probably have doubled their sales if it wasn't for the users.

    not that it would have helped loki, but I think that if someone else were to consider doing something similar to loki, they'd seriously have to think about it. their target audience don't like paying money, or are running their OS because they simply don't have the money.

    linux users need to get out of that mentality for their own computing future to be fruitful.

    --
    The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
  43. Even if they didn't give them away for free... by sterno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's say they were charging $50/copy and they sold 5000 copies (which seemed to be a reasonable expectation given what the report said). At that price and volume, that's $250,000 per title.

    Now, figure that each title is going to take 3 or 4 developers. Let's say that each is paid $96K/year (for math simplicity) in salary and benefits, that would come down to approximately $8000/month per employee or roughly $32,000/month for each team. My numbers are totally coming out of thin air, but not unreasonable. At that burn rate you can afford to spend 7 months in development of each game with some room for some sort of profit.

    Of course that base price isn't accounting for a lot of the company infrastructure. You have to afford a place to work, computers, a network connection, marketing, packaging, etc. You'll need an office manager, somebody to run the website, and a couple other odds and ends. So probably, in the grand scheme of things, you're talking at least $50K/month burn rate. As you develop more games, the overhead is probably reduced somewhat but this is a reasonable baseline.

    So now, suddenly you are down to 5 months of development time. Ohhhh wait, you forgot to license that game, didn't you? Well that's going to shave a few bucks off each copy of the game, and now suddenly you are in the red assuming that you can get the game ported from start to finish in 5 months.

    My numbers aren't necessarily realistic, but I think they are close enough to reality to illustrate that this is, at best, a razor thin business to be in.

    --
    This sig has been temporarily disconnected or is no longer in service
    1. Re:Even if they didn't give them away for free... by Galvatron · · Score: 2

      Except that the way contracts for porting games work is that they charge you an upfront fee, they don't take a percentage. So they might charge, say, $100,000, and after that you're on your own. That made Loki's business model even less likely to work.

      --
      "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
    2. Re:Even if they didn't give them away for free... by D.A.+Zollinger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, even though you pay $50 per copy at the store, most of that goes to the store, the warehouse, the distributor, the company that presses the CDs, etc. I ended up purchasing a copy of Railroad Tycoon 2 for Linux for less than $10 at E.B. because they had held on to it for too long, and they just wanted to reduce inventory. You know what is sad? E.B. probably covered their costs by selling it at $10.

      --
      I haven't lost my mind!
      It is backed up on disk...somewhere...
    3. Re:Even if they didn't give them away for free... by tps12 · · Score: 2
      My numbers aren't necessarily realistic, but I think they are close enough to reality to illustrate that this is, at best, a razor thin business to be in.

      In a free market, any business is "razor thin." Competition forces prices to the lowest they can be such that the well-managed companies survive. That the prices for these games were normal for the industry, and they nearly squeaked by, suggest that your numbers are probably pretty close.

      --

      Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
  44. Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahahahahahahaha this never gets old keep it up it is good for you and everybody
    that's what we really all want two

  45. Buy Loki's games here... by marekk · · Score: 1
    Below are a few links to where you can buy some of Loki's games...
    LinuxMall
    TuxGames

    As a side note, did anyone else catch this in the article on Loki?
    The biggest miscalculation came with Quake III Arena, originally published by id Software. Draeker thought that a "limited collector's edition" shipped in a tin box specially made in China would be just the ticket -- so he ordered 50,000 units, making it the least limited of all of Loki's editions. About 7,000 units sold; most would be unloaded on a liquidator later.

    I don't know about you, but I'll be keeping my eye out for the liquidation company that will be selling these tins--I'll be happy to pick up a few games cheap. Amazon.com has the Quake 3 tin for $10, but its currently "unavailable".
    1. Re:Buy Loki's games here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      They're already pretty much out in stores. They're tins with a green sticker saying "Works with windows, just download this file from here".


      The local Microcenter has a boatload of 'em, in fact.

    2. Re:Buy Loki's games here... by Suppafly · · Score: 1

      They are probably already gone.. I've seen the linux tin dirt cheap several places for about a year.. and now its not anywhere to be had. I think a lot of people bought it because it had both the windows version and the linux version on the cd or something.

    3. Re:Buy Loki's games here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only were the collector's tins massively overproduced, but they also caused the "simultaneous" release of Quake 3/Linux to be delayed by several weeks.

  46. re: stephenson by RestiffBard · · Score: 2

    Its strikes me as kind of funny that his novel is wiated for with the same anticipation as gnome 2.0 and kde 3.0. It's not software guys. Its a hardback. Two different animals.

    --
    - /* dead coders leave no comments */
  47. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, that was funny

    Sheep moderators who blindly follow the pack SUCK!

  48. Why i still use KaZaA by freeweed · · Score: 2

    My celeron 433 isn't affected one bit by my running Kazaa.. methinks you may have a deeper problem.

    Having said that, I long ago switched to Kazaalite. It loads about a million times faster (no ads) and of course, has no spyware or hidden p2p network.

    --
    Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
  49. The poster is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, maybe that's why it's called "slashback", 'cause it's updating previous stories?

  50. quicksilver date by mattdm · · Score: 2

    The original rumor of the Quicksilver release date was entirely based on the amazon.co.uk site's date. When the initial slashdot story came out, I looked all over the net for some sort of corroborating evidence and found none -- everything traces back to amazon UK. Then, as March 7 2002 actually approached, suddenly the date jumped by a year -- kind of suspicious. I can still find no indication that this is anything but a placeholder. So don't hold your breath. (But on the other hand, perhaps it will actually come out sooner -- you never know!)

    1. Re:quicksilver date by Wonko42 · · Score: 2

      Yep, I noticed the same thing. I actually pre-ordered Quicksilver from amazon.co.uk several months ago, when it said it was coming out on March 7, 2002. When March 7th rolled around and I hadn't gotten an email about my order, I checked back and, voila, 2002 had changed to 2003. Sigh.

    2. Re:quicksilver date by mattdm · · Score: 2

      I don't see any indication that amazon uk has any special knowledge -- I think they're just makin' stuff up.

  51. Not really, it's more like this: by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

    1. Try to think of something original to post. 2. ??????????????? 3. Post this.

  52. Cydoor dummy dll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another alternative is using a dummy dll which acts like the Cydoor dll. Although I don't know if Cydoor is the problem in this case, but if you're using Kazaa (or other Cydoor-loaded software) this is an easy way to disable it by tricking Kazaa into thinking its running Cydoor.

  53. Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually that's more like a picture frame than a mirror.

  54. it's a trojan, not spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    spyware sux...

    but lets be careful here.

    there are programs that spy on you (Real anything)
    there are programs that fill your bandwidth with ads (cydoor, et al)
    and there are sneaky programs that install without you knowing them (all of the above, BDE)

    I think the beef CNet has with BDE and KAZAA is the stealth install trojan-ness of the whole thing.

    I bet if I put up a program called ISpy and disclosed that it would report anything it could about your computer to me at my computer, they would leave it up there. But if I secretly installed said program while installing some other useful program they would call it a trojan and rip it off.

    Even if you have a EULA for BDE included in the KAZAA EULA, BDE is a trojan to 99.9% of the windows population. Here's another summary for removing KazaA all the way

  55. Make me mad, yes, but by The+Pim · · Score: 5, Interesting
    break my heart? Frankly, it bolstered my belief that the world will punish crooks and fools. Sure, you say, hindsight, etc. Well, let's look closer, and you can decide whether my criticism is revisionist.

    The legal profession had not worked out for him.

    Ok, a failed lawyer, starting a Linux game company. Sounds suspiciously like an opportunist with no relevant experience and dollar signs in his eyes. Did he at least have some technical background? Experience in the (brutal) gaming industry? Familiarity with Linux? You'd think the article would have mentioned it (working at Apple does not imply a technical background).

    a possible -- no, sure -- winner.

    If anyone ever gives you this vibe, get out, quick. The best of plans, in the best of circumstances, executed by the best of people is a long way from a sure thing in the free market. Optimism and confidence are good, but counting on success--even just in your heart--before it's in the bank is always a mistake. This lesson, it seems, will be learned over and over until the end of time.

    Scott Draker continued to collect unemployment.

    You're only supposed to get unemployment benefits if you're looking for work. So Draker was dishonest from the start.

    During 1999, ... venture capital was beginning to dry up.

    My company was financed in 1999, so I recall distinctly that the boom was in full swing the whole year. (Hint: when did VA Linux IPO?) If they couldn't find funding in 1999, something was very wrong.

    I'm going to stop, because the later signs are too obvious, and because if the signs were all there at the height of the bubble--well that's just pathetic.

    Reading this, I couldn't help being reminded of the movie startup.com. Somehow, you were supposed to feel sorry for these losers, even though they aspired to nothing more noble than easy riches, and pursued them with laughably poor judgement. I can't fairly blame them for dipping into the overflowing VC pool, but I certainly didn't cry for their failure.

    Maybe my standards for entrepreneurs are too high. Maybe it's because I've been with a tech start-up that I was and am proud of (founded in 1998, and still going, thank you).

    --

    The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
  56. Opensource Palmtop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing this seems to be missing (and its a very significant omission IMO) is a compactflash slot. If it had one like for example the Cassiopeia does, you could put one of them 1GB IBM Microdrives in it. Enough for a fairly functional Linux distribution good enough to do development on whenever the mood takes you, wherever you happen to be. This machine isn't going to let you do that more's the pity.

    1. Re:Opensource Palmtop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would rather try to develop on this. You really need a keyboard.

  57. Shocked by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I had orignally read that article about the Brilliant Digital (BDE) Trojan being silently distributed in Kazaa, I laughed and became glad that I had never installed Kazaa.

    But what's this? There's a new Ad-Aware? I download it and run it. It finds 19 new components. Guess what, the BDE Trojan is installed on my machine. How? I have no idea. I never downloaded installed Kazaa and nobody else uses this machine. And I almost never browse with IE so ActiveX couldn't have let it in.

    The only conclusion I can come to is that BDE software is being distributed with applications besides Kazaa. The only newly downloaded (Windows) software I have installed recently are Ad-aware and WinAMP and honestly I think they are unlikely suspects. The date on the BDE files was JAN 12 2002!!! That was 3 months before the original slashdot article!

    How did the Brilliant Digital Trojan get onto my computer?

    Log:
    Started file scan

    Other file:D:\WINNT\bde\bdeclean.exe
    FileSize : 32 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:08:06
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:07
    Build : 3.0.7.0
    OS : Win32 executable
    Description:BDEClean
    Version:3, 0, 7, 0
    ProductName:Brilliant Digital uninstaller

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdedata2.dll
    FileSize : 36 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 1.0.1.9
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDEData (Release)
    Version:1, 0, 1, 9
    ProductName:BDEData Module

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdedownloader.dll
    FileSize : 88 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 3.0.38.0
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDEDownloader
    Version:3, 0, 38, 0
    ProductName:Brilliant Digital Entertainment Inc. BDEDownloader

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdefdi.dll
    FileSize : 40 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 1.0.0.7
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDEFdiTest
    Version:1, 0, 0, 7
    ProductName:Brilliant Digital Entertainment Inc. BDEFdiTest

    Other file:D:\WINNT\system32\bdeinsta2.dll
    FileSize : 97 kb
    FileCreation time : 12/01/2002 17:03:51
    Last accessed : 09/04/2002 22:32:09
    Build : 1.2.3.9
    OS : No executable
    Description:BDESmartInstaller (Release)
    Version:1, 2, 3, 9
    ProductName:BDEInstallerComponent Module

    Removing selected components:

    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\bde\bdeclean.e xe , 4
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system32\bded ata 2.dll,44
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system 32\bdedown loader.dll,44
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\s ystem32\bdefdi. dll,44
    Deleting:Other,3,file,2,,D:\WINNT\system32 \bdeinst a2.dll,44
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.b 3d,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.b3dini ,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,.s3d,,
    D eleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,b3dini_auto_f ile,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,bdepla yer.bde playerctrl,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2 ,bdeplayer.bde playerctrl.1,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT ,2,bdesmartinsta ller.bdesmartinstaller,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CL ASSES_ROOT,2,bdesmartinsta ller.bdesmartinstaller.1,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_ CLASSES_ROOT,2,clsid\{519581 69-d5e3-11d1-aa42-0000e842e40a},,
    Deleting:Other, 1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,clsid\{679251 65-c4b6-11d2-b9c6-0000e84f59a6},,
    Deleting:Other, 1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,interface\{67 925164-c4b6-11d2-b9c6-0000e84f59a6},,
    Deleting:Ot her,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT,2,s3d_auto_file ,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE,2,software\b ri lliant digital entertainment,,
    Deleting:Other,1,HKEY_CLASSES_ROO T,2,typelib\{82fc 7881-aacc-11d2-b9c6-0000e842e40a},,

    1. Re:Shocked by Cplus · · Score: 2

      I also have all of these files on my second last install, still residing on my backup drive. I've never installed Kazaa, main folder has an install date of Nov, 13, 01..........I don't remember what I was doing that day. Consider it all deleted.

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    2. Re:Shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only conclusion I can come to is that BDE software is being distributed with applications besides Kazaa

      The b3d player was bundled with Morpheus for several months at the end of last year. The download.com filename changed from something like "morpheus.zip" to "morpheus-b3d.zip" at the time.

      You were probably a Morpheus user, right?

      B3d had a plug-in for a good year or two, but no installed userbase, and so this was one of many reasons why they couldn't compete with Flash. Secretly installing their plug-in with kazaa and morpheus was a great way to increase their userbase.

    3. Re:Shocked by TheAJofOZ · · Score: 2
      The b3d player was bundled with Morpheus for several months at the end of last year. The download.com filename changed from something like "morpheus.zip" to "morpheus-b3d.zip" at the time.

      This is definitely not the only other source. I recently did a clean install of Windows and still have not installed KazAA, Morpheus or any other peer-to-peer filesharing applications, yet AdAdware picked up BDE software on my computer as well. I'd love to know where it came from as I hadn't done anything but install the standard stuff and most of that was from old installers I had from the last install - so the problem is likely to have been around for quite a while.

    4. Re:Shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same issue here -- Got BDE installed, even though I'd long ago removed Morpheus and Limewire and did ad-aware scans.

      Furthermore, I've got some pretty paranoid settings in IE, so this shouldn't have slipped under the radar.

      Methinks that BD had planted a stub-installer _somewhere_ (maybe the old 'spyware free' Morpheus), and were able to get their nodes to auto-upgrade to the full deal.

    5. Re:Shocked by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "The b3d player was bundled with Morpheus for several months at the end of last year. The download.com filename changed from something like "morpheus.zip" to "morpheus-b3d.zip" at the time."

      Now that you mention it ... yes ... I was a morpheus user and I remember not turning off some sort of 3rd party player application by accident in the morpheus install. That might just be it.

    6. Re:Shocked by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "Same issue here -- Got BDE installed, even though I'd long ago removed Morpheus and Limewire and did ad-aware scans."

      You've gotta remember that BDE was only detected by Ad-Aware in v5.71 and up.

  58. March 2003? by Jobby · · Score: 1

    The reason for this date should be obvious to many a Stephenson fan - he's probably working on the ending. Sure he's an excellent author and his books represent some of the best cyberpunk out there, but the man couldn't finish a book to save his life.

    --jobby

  59. b3d Projector and Exporter for Maya by An+anonymous+Frank · · Score: 1

    I installed 'b3d Projector' as a part of 'b3d Exporter for Maya'. The latter would seem a legitimate software to install, and including the Projector would make sense to preview the exported work. However, how do I know if this intentionnal package (not hidden) also includes the functionalities of their 'Brilliant Network'?

    (Do understand me, it did not get installed without my knowledge. But my intent was to gain the ability to export Maya work for playback or viewing using their 'Projector' player, not chip in for the new 'Brilliant Internet'.)

  60. What Does KaZaA Consider Spyware? by peter_gzowski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Read what KaZaA has to say about your privacy:

    http://www.kazaa.com/en/privacy/index.htm

    and then answer my subject line. Their own website states that "spyware is any software (that) employs a user's Internet connection in the background (the so-called 'backchannel') without their knowledge or explicit permission." They also state that:

    "The service downloads a collection of banner ads from a web server while you are online. As you use the KMD, the service rotates ads and intermittently polls the server for new ad collections. Statistics are sent to the webserver recording which ads were displayed and how often. This information is used to bill advertisers. It may also be used to target ads for you. For example, if you often click CD store ads, you will be shown more of these than pet store ads."

    I don't remember giving them "explicit permission" to do all that. I know this is preaching to the choir, but I am stunned by the obvious contradictions on their website... Thank you to the above comment poster who pointed me to KaZaA Lite. I had not heard of it previous.

    --
    "Now gluttony and exploitation serves eight!" - TV's Frank
  61. Well, we all liked the idea... by gurensan · · Score: 1

    I wonder how hard it would be to have teams of programmers working in a sort of 'mercenary' game production...

    It seems that many of the best games were originally created by a lone couple of guys in their parents' basements. Someone makes a great game with a good idea, and that idea gets copied by everyone else after the commercial succes of the first of its kind.

    I think what we need is more of these rogue 'do it yourselfers' that a company could license distribution rights from... that way, the best ideas keep coming and everyone can get paid.

    There would have to be some sort of clearing house for these guys that would also serve as a broker for companies looking for the Next Big Thing (tm).

    I dunno, jes a thought.

    --
    You are all fartheads.
  62. Vote for Me!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    I hope you guys vote for me. I am so cool.

  63. Although Loki is interesting... by leviramsey · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    The real news is that Monolinux is reporting that Mozilla 1.0RC1 is close at hand, with the branching of the 1.0 branch!

  64. Which brilliant software to remove? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone's talking about removing the brilliant projector program, but this is an old flash-like 3d player for your browser! Are we sure that the altnet shared-processing software is in this projector executable?

    I think somebody needs to work out how to *really* get rid of the new software *before* it gets turned on, and I have a feeling that the projector is the wrong target.

  65. Re:Solution to the mideast crisis by Inthewire · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of something I heard regarding the Vietnam war:
    "You know how to solve this thing, right? Take all the South Vietnamese, put 'em on ships, and nuke the country. Kill every living thing from China on down. When that's done, bomb the ships."

    --


    Writers imply. Readers infer.
  66. Stephen King's The Stand was written in pen. by sideshow · · Score: 1

    And that bastard took me weeks to read. I don't think pen makes it shorter.

    --

    Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.

  67. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you're just one of the 9000 people who had Linux confused with a PlayStation. :P

  68. Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what the fuck do you think you get when you take a picture of a mirror? do you expect to see your reflection on the screen? DUHHHH stupid asshole

  69. Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There are plans to add a gsm phone into it too -- watch out, Nokia! And one third the price; it's supposed to be 10,000 Indian Rupees. Thats around $210 try comparing it to the ipaq. Did you ask what it is based on? It's Linux 2.4, man, with gtk and its developer kit it's as free as the hardware itself.
    The developer kit is $210!? Doesn't sound free to me.
  70. Morpheus maybe? by Jayde+Stargunner · · Score: 2

    Is it possible that the Kazaa/Fasttrack folk slipped it in via Morpheus before they made it incompatible?

    Because, now that you mention it, I have it on my box too...and I've only used Morpheus.

    -Jayde

    --
    What's a sig?
  71. Endings by Cato+the+Elder · · Score: 1

    Heh--having read a bunch of Stephenson, I know what you mean. I have to say, however, that I thought Zodiac had a great ending. The Big U, which I just read, had a pretty solid ending, though overall it's not as great as his later works. Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon both ended way to abruptly. The very last line of Diamond Age was great, but other than that the last few chapters felt like they had been cut down by about 80% from the original draft.

  72. hypocritical by Syre · · Score: 2

    C|Net may have removed Kazaa downloads, but their subsidiary ZDNet still has it available.

    They include a link to the C|Net story which discusses the B3D spyware, so this is not just an oversight.

    I was all ready to applaud C|Net's decision to pull Kazaa, but this makes me wonder.

  73. Heh by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    I can't stand to write on paper. And if I did try to write something like that I'd have to spend more time trying to figure out what I wrote then the time it would take to write it :P

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  74. Loki by meggito · · Score: 2

    It seems that the biggest problem Loki has was mismanagement. No good manager would be paying themselves $125k a year when noone else is getting paid. It should have been his responsibility to go with as little pay as possible to please employees, and hopefully get themselves out of the hole. Large salaries could come later. It seems to me he had no idea what he was doing or what he was getting into, and the fault lies largely in him.

    The next largest problem is probably the confusion between open source and free software. It seems that a large number of Linux users do not know the difference. That, and why would you pay extra for a port of a game you allready owned? If that were the case, most people would install the linux version for free just because they had allready paid the original price. A better plan would have been to sell the ports to the companies, and let them sell, resell, or distribute them to existing costumers for a small fee. How about letting all the customers that 'register' their games know that if they want to use their product on linux, $5 is all it would cost them? Much better plan then trying to sell the games independantly.

    A better business plan, and better management would have almost surely led this idea to success.

  75. Lets do It now... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 1

    Encore's Software is launching a limited number of Evaluation pieces soon. To be a "Encore Simputer Beta-Evaluator" please contact for more details.

    Hardware

    CPU
    Intel StrongARM SA1110, 32-bit RISC CPU @ 206 MHz

    32 MB of DRAM
    16 MB Flash for Permanent Storage

    Display Interface
    240x320 Monochrome LCD Display Panel

    Input Device
    Touch-panel Overlay on LCD Display
    Used with a plastic stylus (Pen)

    Audio Interface
    Support for external speaker/headphone and microphone

    SmartCard Interface
    SmartCard Reader/Writer

    Connectivity
    Internal V.90 Modem
    IrDA

    Connectors
    Speaker and MIC Jacks
    SmartCard Connector
    AC Adapter Input
    IrDA Window
    RJ-11 Telephone Jack
    Serial Port

    Power Supply
    Three AAA-sized NiMh batteries with external charge Operates with external AC Adapter

    Expansion
    USB interface to external peripherals

    Applications

    Email Client
    Browser
    MP3 Player
    Notepad
    Smart Card Sample Application
    Text-To-Speech Conversion
    Calculator

    Application Development Software Support

    GNU/Linux ARM Cross-development Tool Chain on Linux PC
    Linux Kernel and RAM Disk
    X Windows Library
    GTK Toolkit
    Encore's Application Framework

    Now all I need is some datas on the size...
    I mean, pocket wise or not ?

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  76. Let's make it a virus by Beliskner · · Score: 1

    Let's make it a virus - let's hAcK virusdefs of Symantec's definitions to recognise Kazaa/Brilliant spyware/assholeware respectively as a DDoS virus. Is there any way to hAcK the virusdefs?

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  77. Re:In related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To the AC at the top of this thread. See, you've got to post complete drivel like the above to get a +1 Insightful. Go with the group-think and you too can cap out - but trolling is really more fun.

  78. Brilliance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ever played Privateer (the Wing Commander offshoot)?

    "Brilliance" was a brand name of an illegal drug there.

  79. Re:A Lesson in Marketing (Informative) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod this whole thread up, you bastard moderators. This (last post esp.) is the funniest thing posted on /. for ages. What are you, dead?

  80. Re: stephenson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It strikes me as even funnier that you make it sound like waiting for, and drooling over, the next release of some SOFTWARE is somehow more acceptable that doing it for a BOOK. Most people could care less when the new gnome or kde come out (Myself included).

  81. Dont visit kazaa.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you do, the bde gets installed automatically. No wonder you got it on your system.

    Workaround: put kazaa.com on the restricted sites list of IE

  82. Welcome to "ClickThrough" agreements. by Otto · · Score: 2

    Sorry, you gave "explicit permission" for all of the above, including the BDE client as well when you clicked "agree" on the Kazaa Installer. Read it sometime, despite that it's several pages long and in a small scroller box.

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    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
  83. Draeker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Draeker. I hate to say it, but Draeker was fired from job as a lawyer, and demonstrated to the fullest extent that he doesn't know how to run a business. What a loser! Now, who is going to hire the guy? McDonalds?

  84. Not quite true... by sterno · · Score: 2

    Actually one of the concepts that a lot of entrepeneurs have been into is the notion of avoiding competition. Basically, you try to start businesses that are in new technologies, or provide services nobody else is providing. This way you don't have to compete in any real sense.

    Also, competition doesn't necessarily force prices to the lowest that they can be. Many times companies compete using marketing and branding which allow them to operate at prices well beyond what are the bare minimum for survival. I mean, are Nike shoe really worth that much money?

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    1. Re:Not quite true... by tps12 · · Score: 2
      Also, competition doesn't necessarily force prices to the lowest that they can be. Many times companies compete using marketing and branding which allow them to operate at prices well beyond what are the bare minimum for survival. I mean, are Nike shoe really worth that much money?

      Well, yes, how couldn't they be? If they weren't, Nike would be out of business!

      Anyway, in this case, the prices are the lowest they can be, which is to say that the marginal cost of producing each shoe (including marketing and so forth) is not much less than the marginal gain of selling each shoe (including prices that seem crazy to a lot of us).

      Think of it this way: if Nike could cut shoe prices $5 a pair across the board, without posting losses, then it would be a good move: they'd sell more shoes, increasing their market share, thus improving the likelihood of making bigger profits in the future. Therefore, they must be working with slim margins, because otherwise they would discount shoes.

      There are some industries that are not sales-based, where this argument doesn't apply. For example, a painter who works on commissions. "Market share" means nothing, because she can't expand beyond her own abilities (by hiring employees). She will not cut prices as long as she has enough work, and raise them when she is overbooked.

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    2. Re:Not quite true... by sterno · · Score: 2

      Actually, the price is set to the optimum profit point, not the lowest price. I could conceivably lower the price by $5 bucks but I wouldn't sell substantially more shoes. They increase this optimum point by using marketing to push the demand for the shoes up enough that they can raise the prices and still sell the same number of shoes.

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    3. Re:Not quite true... by tps12 · · Score: 2
      Right, but the cost of the marketing drives down their margin at the same rate that the price increase drives it up. Otherwise, the marketers would charge more (if the margin increases) or the prices would be raised less (if it decreases). You're right, if lowering the price doesn't affect demand, the price will stay the same.

      I'm trying to say that the "optimum profit point" *will be* the lowest price at which the company can survive, due to competition in the market.

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