SME 7.0 is based on CentOS 4 and is a fairly turn-key installation and it has all these features already built in and it has a web based configuration interface. (http://www.contribs.org)
I'm sorry. You said your professional development requires you to video conference. Who the #^%&#! do your IT guys think they are! Go to your hospital administrators and show (don't tell) them how your hospital's jack-booted IT nazi's are keeping you from doing your job.
I have worked in environments where the IT guys forgot they provide a network for the people to use in their jobs, not a network that they can use to build their own personal fiefdom! The best way to break this GOD complex is to have the IT guys boss get his ass chewed by the higher ups.
The IT guys can solve your video conferencing problem in one of many ways. There job is to figure out how to make it happen not tell you it's not going to happen.
The next time one of these IT weenies gets hurt on the job tell them you can't administer medical treatment because you have to maintain a firewall between them and you.
LOL, we're talking about IOMEGA here. The company that still thinks it can charge $10-$15 dollars for a 100MB magnetic disk that only works with their proprietary drive.
I quit using my zip drive years ago. Everybody has a CD-ROM drive any more; almost nobody has a Zip drive. CD-R media costs a whopping $0.10 for 650MB of data. I can burn 100 CD-R's before I incur the same cost as one Zip disk.
IOMEGA's biggest problem is that once they set a price for their products the rest of the market be damned they will not lower their price to compete. All this patent is going to do is ensure that IOMEGA will be able to charge 50 quakazillion dollars for their DVD media when you can do the exact same thing for under $100 using current DVD technology.
The Department of Education already collects more information about students than you even imagine.
First of all is the FAFSA. This has become the defacto student financial aid applications. Many institutions have their own financial aid applications but to receive any federal financial aid the person must fill out the FAFSA. All the data on the FAFSA is electronically transfered to the student's institution.
Since federal financial aid can be administered by private banks as well as the government and this aid goes to millions of students in thousands of schools it is an enormaous exercise to track the data. Say hello to the National Student Clearinghouse. Not every school participaces in the NSCH but most of them do because everybody else does. From the NSCH, institutions can BUY your data.
Each year ALL institutions that participate in federal financial aid programs, which is over 90% of them, must respond to the NCESIPEDS data collection. IPEDS is a complete, albeit aggregate, data collection tool but it drills down to such detail that for a small to medium sized instituion it's not difficult to get some good stuff.
Many states have combined student data repositories that the state higher education committe can regularly utilize.
This is just the start. Colleges regularly participate in data exchanges with other institutions. For those who want to scream FERPA right now, remember there is a big loophole called "legitimate academic interest" that allows the institution to use whatever data they so choose.
There is more personalized data about each and every student floating around hundreds and even thousands of institutions that nobody has any control over any of it.
The proposed list of variables the the department of education wants to collect per student can be seen on page 74 of the IPEDS SURS Feasability study.
I work in an Institutional Research office in a major university what NCES is proposing in nothing compared to what is already available.
Overly simplisticly, coding is like painting. All painters use the same colors over and over again. What differentiates a painting is the order and placement of the colors.
Patenting or copyrighting an individual block of code is like patenting or copyrighting the color red. A painter would never be able to patent or copyright the color red and demand a royalty for all artists who use red. Painters copyright their entire image -- even a large enough sub section is copyrightable.
Coding should be the same. How many ways can somebody write a decimal to currency string formatting routine? How many ways can somebody write an RGP go greyscale conversion routine?
note: for those who say "what about Pantone?". Pantone does not copyright the color itself only the name and the Pantone color number is copyrightable. You are always free to use any RGB combination you want but Pantone will guarantee that their color system will always generate the same color on any printer that supports Pantone -- this is the value of Pantone.
The limit is 100 meters (328 feet). As a good rule of thumb only cable up to 90 meters (295 feet) and leave the last 10 meters (32 feet) for patch cables.
Every 100 meters a switch or hub may be used as a repeater and another 100 meters of cable may be run.
BTW, don't forget to metion that switch to jack is solid wire but jack to device is stranded wire.
A compilation copyright copyrights the actual instantiation of the databse. For instance I can't photocopy the phone book and sell it on the street. However I can flip through the pages one at a time and type the information into my computer, format it for printing, print it, and then sell that on the street.
What this proposed legislation does is state that I can't extract the actuall FACTS from the database and create a new database.
There is an exemption for sourcing the data from the original source but in the case of phone numbers that would mean going door to door and asking for each person's phone number. This would essentially put an end to the Feist phone book -- but that might not be so bad!!!
Moonlight : too work a second job after your primary job or a '80 detective show with Cybil Shepard (back when she was still a hottie) and Bruce Willis (back when he was still screwing Demi Moore)
Moonshine : an alcoholic beverage made with corn, wheat, or whatever one can get ahold of that will ferment usually causes blindness and draw the attention of revenuers -- the stuff granny made on the Beverly Hillbillies
Correct! Score +1 for nukem1999 who obviously paid attention in his Logic class and actually knows what a contrapositive is and can discerne between a statement, it's invers, it's converse, and it's contrapositive and also knows the internal logical relationships between the four. I'll be looking up one of your old posts and giving you a +1 since I currently have mod points.
I typed contrapositive instead of inverse. Also the first sentence is broken into 2 incomplete sentences. That's what I get yet again from submitting my comment with readining it first.
Of course my intent was not to be Informative. I was going for Funny. My ultimate goal is to get a +5 TROLL. Even Kathleen Fent got a +5 Offtopic on one of the only 2 posts. I guess that's one of the benefits of sleeping with CmdrTaco. But, I'm not willing to go that far -- I do have my standards.
Does anybody really think it would be good for M$ to stop patching all together? Think of all the programmers and system administrators that would suddently be unemployed!!!
OK moderators -- hint, hint, this is a JOKE -- FUNNY -- HA, HA, HA, HA. Excuse me while I go to my happy place!!!!
If a vulnerability is never exploited before a patch is relased. Then this is equivalent to saying releasing a patch implies a vulnerability may be exploited. Thus the contrapositive of this statement is never releasing a patch is implies a vulnerability will not be exploited.
Since a statement and its contrapositive have the same truth value (if one is true then so is the other) and if M$ assumes the initial statement is true then they must accept the contrapositive is true.
This being the case it seems the logical consequence for M$ in their desire to increase security is to never release another patch.
But this would require M$ to actually operate under a logical framework and we know that his statement is false.
Make a point of always being in school or some sort of formal training. If you have a bad lapse of employment you can simply drop the employment and document the time as furthering your education or expanding your skills in school.
This also has the added benefit that it really does further your education and expand your skills.
One last point. Being in school does not imply you have to be the student. A lot of technical colleges need adjunct instructors to teach a few evening and weekend courses. Putting on your resume that you taught impresses far too many people but it works.
The biggest problem with the new console arcade games is that they are relying too heavily on graphics quality. The great things about the old console games was that since the graphics generally sucked (compared to today's standards) the games had to have real playability.
In most modern games the rules are basically as follows:
Figher : Kill everything in sight
Shooter : Kill evrything in sight
Racer : Get in front of everything and go really fast
Remember how popular Pac-Man was? All you had to do was eat dots. But you had to figure out a pattern to avoid the ghosts and you were rewared with humorous little movie clips. Remember how popular Donkey Kong was? All you had to do was rescue the chick. But you had to figure out how to avoid the barrels, fireballs, pies, bouncing rivets, etc. Even for home games, one of the most popular was the Atari 2600 game Fantasy Adventure. This games had the worst graphics ever but it had great playability.
This quality of playability is why MAME is so stinking popular. We can still play these old games. How many/.'ers still drop a quarter into a Galaga, Pac-Man, Time Pilot, or Space Invaders machine whenever they see one?
If console makers want to rebuild their market they need to make the games easier to control but make it more mentally challenging to play. I still play the Mario Brothers games on my old Nintendo Entertainment System. Who needs an XBOX?
Normal bid works by the consumer saying I'd like X, Y, & Z please tell me how much you will charge. Then several providers say I can do that for A, B, or C dollars. The consumer then picks the lowest price.
The only thing special about this is the dollar amount is fixed and the deliverable is measured for maximum value. In other words the consumer says I want X, Y & Z and I'm willing to pay A dollars. Several providers say I can do X, Y, & Z and a few say we also do T, U, V, and W while others don't. The consumer then picks the provider with the most features, least installation/maintenance effort, etc.
Uh, have you ever tried this new thingie-a-bod called DNS? It let's your application communicate on the Int'rnet without using those pesky 32 bit IP addresses. I think Microsoft invented it.
Your second case, telephone directories, is valid if it is a matter of distributing the same information in essentially the same format. However, as I pointed out in my original post, the requirement that the infringing distribution be a functional equivalent of the original arguably permits derivative works, insofar as they are not functionally equivalent to the original. Your example of a rearranged, value-added telephone directory would seem to fall into this category.
This may be so, but I would not want to go in front of a judge and explain the subtleties of this argument as he stares at the legislation that state:
C) DISCRETE SECTIONS- The fact that a database is a subset of a database shall not preclude such subset from treatment as a database under this Act.
Even if I add additional data to the database, if I have a subset of the original database incorporated in my database then the original provider gets protection of this subset.
This subset clause is perhaps the most vicious clause in the entire bill. Since now I get to play legal Power Sets with my databases. So theoretically the local phone company could claim copyright infringement on a local chamber of commerce publishing a directory of local businesses since some subset of this directory would be a subset of the directory published by the phone company.
Power Set : Given a set X then P(X) is the set such that x a subset X implies x is an element of P(X). In other words P(X) is the set which contains all subsets of X as its elements.
(A) a database generated, gathered, organized, or maintained by a Federal, State, or local governmental entity, or by an employee or agent of such an entity, acting within the scope of such employment or agency;
This exclusion would prevent the Library of Congress from naming a compilation copyright on legislative data it publishes on Thomas. Any entity may freely wget all the data from the Thomas site and republish it. However, if somebody did this from MuniCode, I'm sure MuniCode would sue!
This exclusion only provides for the actual governmental entity or its employees or agents maintaining the database within the scope of the entity.
I'm sure MuniCode is not an employee of any governmental entity. MuniCode probably specifically prohibits their employees from being employed by any governmental entity they service or holding elected office in such entity. I'd bet their contract with the governemtnal entity specificially states they are not an agent of the governmental entity but private service provider. MuniCode IS a private for profit making money off pubulic information.
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Yes it is bad.
For the first example consider public records. Yes another database provider may manually reconstruct the entire set of public records each government entitiy creates. What happens when the government entity then enters into contract with the database provider to submit an electronic dataset. For example check out MuniCode. I could go down to my local city hall and get an entire copy of the municipal codes and manually type them and post them. However, this places me at a severe disadvantage over MuniCode. In fact this bill could prevent government agencies from selling electronic data submissions to multiple vendors since once the first vendor receives the data he may claim copyright on the collection and sue the government agency.
For the second example, consider telephone directories. The local telephone provider has a nice monopoly on this data since they are the creator and maintainer of the data. Once they publish the "phone book" it becomes a database. The only way another company can compete to produce directories would be to manually contact each home, business, etc. and collect the information from them. It would be illegal to simply copy the text of the phone book, rearrange it and publish with added value. BTW, check the link in the editorial linked to in the/. story post -- this happened!!! With this law it would be illegal!!!
This bill does not give ownership of the data to the database maintainer. It simply gives copyright protetion to the collective work.
Google could not clain ownership of any data on the Internet (other than its own). Google could claim copyright of the index and search results.
What Google could do is DMCA sites for posting Google link results. However, posting a URL to Google to get the same link results is explicitly permitted in the legislation.
I hearby announce the Compliation Copyright of all data that belongs to me.
Definitions:
ME -- The collection of the person who I am, my physical, psychological, empotional, and spiritual being as relates to any physical, fantasy, on-line, or spiritual realm, any characteristic of who I am, any description of who I am or of any characteristic of who I am,
DATA -- Any piece of factual information
BELONGS TO -- Any data that describes ME or any of the individual characteristics of ME
This set of data consitutes a database. As such any unauthorized commercial appropriation, use, or distribution of these data are subject to sever legal penalties.
Exactly, this happens every session. This is why it's so dangerous. Fortunately every past attempt has failed. However, no matter how many times some moronic bill like this fails, the PTB only need to get this to pass once.
When was the last time Congress actually repealled a law? If this bad bill becomes a bad law, the only way to get rid of it will be through a court challenge? Who will spend thousands of dollars to fight for the right to copy factual databases?
Political activism is free! Judicial remedies cost money!
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SME 7.0 is based on CentOS 4 and is a fairly turn-key installation and it has all these features already built in and it has a web based configuration interface. (http://www.contribs.org)
I'm sorry. You said your professional development requires you to video conference. Who the #^%&#! do your IT guys think they are! Go to your hospital administrators and show (don't tell) them how your hospital's jack-booted IT nazi's are keeping you from doing your job.
I have worked in environments where the IT guys forgot they provide a network for the people to use in their jobs, not a network that they can use to build their own personal fiefdom! The best way to break this GOD complex is to have the IT guys boss get his ass chewed by the higher ups.
The IT guys can solve your video conferencing problem in one of many ways. There job is to figure out how to make it happen not tell you it's not going to happen.
The next time one of these IT weenies gets hurt on the job tell them you can't administer medical treatment because you have to maintain a firewall between them and you.
I quit using my zip drive years ago. Everybody has a CD-ROM drive any more; almost nobody has a Zip drive. CD-R media costs a whopping $0.10 for 650MB of data. I can burn 100 CD-R's before I incur the same cost as one Zip disk.
IOMEGA's biggest problem is that once they set a price for their products the rest of the market be damned they will not lower their price to compete. All this patent is going to do is ensure that IOMEGA will be able to charge 50 quakazillion dollars for their DVD media when you can do the exact same thing for under $100 using current DVD technology.
The Department of Education already collects more information about students than you even imagine.
First of all is the FAFSA. This has become the defacto student financial aid applications. Many institutions have their own financial aid applications but to receive any federal financial aid the person must fill out the FAFSA. All the data on the FAFSA is electronically transfered to the student's institution.
Since federal financial aid can be administered by private banks as well as the government and this aid goes to millions of students in thousands of schools it is an enormaous exercise to track the data. Say hello to the National Student Clearinghouse. Not every school participaces in the NSCH but most of them do because everybody else does. From the NSCH, institutions can BUY your data.
Each year ALL institutions that participate in federal financial aid programs, which is over 90% of them, must respond to the NCES IPEDS data collection. IPEDS is a complete, albeit aggregate, data collection tool but it drills down to such detail that for a small to medium sized instituion it's not difficult to get some good stuff.
Many states have combined student data repositories that the state higher education committe can regularly utilize.
This is just the start. Colleges regularly participate in data exchanges with other institutions. For those who want to scream FERPA right now, remember there is a big loophole called "legitimate academic interest" that allows the institution to use whatever data they so choose.
There is more personalized data about each and every student floating around hundreds and even thousands of institutions that nobody has any control over any of it.
The proposed list of variables the the department of education wants to collect per student can be seen on page 74 of the IPEDS SURS Feasability study.
I work in an Institutional Research office in a major university what NCES is proposing in nothing compared to what is already available.
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+5 Informative moderation would be nice!
If I mod my xbox emulator to run Linux and then connect my xbox emulator to XBOX Live will Microsoft intall an updatethat disables my xbox emulator?
Patenting or copyrighting an individual block of code is like patenting or copyrighting the color red. A painter would never be able to patent or copyright the color red and demand a royalty for all artists who use red. Painters copyright their entire image -- even a large enough sub section is copyrightable.
Coding should be the same. How many ways can somebody write a decimal to currency string formatting routine? How many ways can somebody write an RGP go greyscale conversion routine?
note: for those who say "what about Pantone?". Pantone does not copyright the color itself only the name and the Pantone color number is copyrightable. You are always free to use any RGB combination you want but Pantone will guarantee that their color system will always generate the same color on any printer that supports Pantone -- this is the value of Pantone.
"What is the distance limitation on cat5e"
The limit is 100 meters (328 feet). As a good rule of thumb only cable up to 90 meters (295 feet) and leave the last 10 meters (32 feet) for patch cables.
Every 100 meters a switch or hub may be used as a repeater and another 100 meters of cable may be run.
BTW, don't forget to metion that switch to jack is solid wire but jack to device is stranded wire.
Of course nobody actually ever cables this way
Yes this is new!!
A compilation copyright copyrights the actual instantiation of the databse. For instance I can't photocopy the phone book and sell it on the street. However I can flip through the pages one at a time and type the information into my computer, format it for printing, print it, and then sell that on the street.
What this proposed legislation does is state that I can't extract the actuall FACTS from the database and create a new database.
There is an exemption for sourcing the data from the original source but in the case of phone numbers that would mean going door to door and asking for each person's phone number. This would essentially put an end to the Feist phone book -- but that might not be so bad!!!
"...I actually moonshined for a friend..."
You must mean MOONLIGHTED.
Moonlight : too work a second job after your primary job or a '80 detective show with Cybil Shepard (back when she was still a hottie) and Bruce Willis (back when he was still screwing Demi Moore)
Moonshine : an alcoholic beverage made with corn, wheat, or whatever one can get ahold of that will ferment usually causes blindness and draw the attention of revenuers -- the stuff granny made on the Beverly Hillbillies
DISCERN not DISCERNE!!!!
/Code!!!!
Damn you Malda and your cursed
I typed contrapositive instead of inverse. Also the first sentence is broken into 2 incomplete sentences. That's what I get yet again from submitting my comment with readining it first.
Of course my intent was not to be Informative. I was going for Funny. My ultimate goal is to get a +5 TROLL. Even Kathleen Fent got a +5 Offtopic on one of the only 2 posts. I guess that's one of the benefits of sleeping with CmdrTaco. But, I'm not willing to go that far -- I do have my standards.
Does anybody really think it would be good for M$ to stop patching all together? Think of all the programmers and system administrators that would suddently be unemployed!!!
OK moderators -- hint, hint, this is a JOKE -- FUNNY -- HA, HA, HA, HA. Excuse me while I go to my happy place!!!!
If a vulnerability is never exploited before a patch is relased. Then this is equivalent to saying releasing a patch implies a vulnerability may be exploited. Thus the contrapositive of this statement is never releasing a patch is implies a vulnerability will not be exploited.
Since a statement and its contrapositive have the same truth value (if one is true then so is the other) and if M$ assumes the initial statement is true then they must accept the contrapositive is true.
This being the case it seems the logical consequence for M$ in their desire to increase security is to never release another patch.
But this would require M$ to actually operate under a logical framework and we know that his statement is false.
Make a point of always being in school or some sort of formal training. If you have a bad lapse of employment you can simply drop the employment and document the time as furthering your education or expanding your skills in school.
This also has the added benefit that it really does further your education and expand your skills.
One last point. Being in school does not imply you have to be the student. A lot of technical colleges need adjunct instructors to teach a few evening and weekend courses. Putting on your resume that you taught impresses far too many people but it works.
In most modern games the rules are basically as follows:
Figher : Kill everything in sight
Shooter : Kill evrything in sight
Racer : Get in front of everything and go really fast
/.'ers still drop a quarter into a Galaga, Pac-Man, Time Pilot, or Space Invaders machine whenever they see one?
Remember how popular Pac-Man was? All you had to do was eat dots. But you had to figure out a pattern to avoid the ghosts and you were rewared with humorous little movie clips. Remember how popular Donkey Kong was? All you had to do was rescue the chick. But you had to figure out how to avoid the barrels, fireballs, pies, bouncing rivets, etc. Even for home games, one of the most popular was the Atari 2600 game Fantasy Adventure. This games had the worst graphics ever but it had great playability.
This quality of playability is why MAME is so stinking popular. We can still play these old games. How many
If console makers want to rebuild their market they need to make the games easier to control but make it more mentally challenging to play. I still play the Mario Brothers games on my old Nintendo Entertainment System. Who needs an XBOX?
Normal bid works by the consumer saying I'd like X, Y, & Z please tell me how much you will charge. Then several providers say I can do that for A, B, or C dollars. The consumer then picks the lowest price.
The only thing special about this is the dollar amount is fixed and the deliverable is measured for maximum value. In other words the consumer says I want X, Y & Z and I'm willing to pay A dollars. Several providers say I can do X, Y, & Z and a few say we also do T, U, V, and W while others don't. The consumer then picks the provider with the most features, least installation/maintenance effort, etc.
Pay for WINDOWS!!! Who on /. actually PAYS for WINDOWS?
Uh, have you ever tried this new thingie-a-bod called DNS? It let's your application communicate on the Int'rnet without using those pesky 32 bit IP addresses. I think Microsoft invented it.
This may be so, but I would not want to go in front of a judge and explain the subtleties of this argument as he stares at the legislation that state:
Even if I add additional data to the database, if I have a subset of the original database incorporated in my database then the original provider gets protection of this subset.
This subset clause is perhaps the most vicious clause in the entire bill. Since now I get to play legal Power Sets with my databases. So theoretically the local phone company could claim copyright infringement on a local chamber of commerce publishing a directory of local businesses since some subset of this directory would be a subset of the directory published by the phone company.
Power Set : Given a set X then P(X) is the set such that x a subset X implies x is an element of P(X). In other words P(X) is the set which contains all subsets of X as its elements.
This exclusion would prevent the Library of Congress from naming a compilation copyright on legislative data it publishes on Thomas. Any entity may freely wget all the data from the Thomas site and republish it. However, if somebody did this from MuniCode, I'm sure MuniCode would sue!
This exclusion only provides for the actual governmental entity or its employees or agents maintaining the database within the scope of the entity.
I'm sure MuniCode is not an employee of any governmental entity. MuniCode probably specifically prohibits their employees from being employed by any governmental entity they service or holding elected office in such entity. I'd bet their contract with the governemtnal entity specificially states they are not an agent of the governmental entity but private service provider. MuniCode IS a private for profit making money off pubulic information.
Yes it is bad.
/. story post -- this happened!!! With this law it would be illegal!!!
For the first example consider public records. Yes another database provider may manually reconstruct the entire set of public records each government entitiy creates. What happens when the government entity then enters into contract with the database provider to submit an electronic dataset. For example check out MuniCode. I could go down to my local city hall and get an entire copy of the municipal codes and manually type them and post them. However, this places me at a severe disadvantage over MuniCode. In fact this bill could prevent government agencies from selling electronic data submissions to multiple vendors since once the first vendor receives the data he may claim copyright on the collection and sue the government agency.
For the second example, consider telephone directories. The local telephone provider has a nice monopoly on this data since they are the creator and maintainer of the data. Once they publish the "phone book" it becomes a database. The only way another company can compete to produce directories would be to manually contact each home, business, etc. and collect the information from them. It would be illegal to simply copy the text of the phone book, rearrange it and publish with added value. BTW, check the link in the editorial linked to in the
WRONG!!
This bill does not give ownership of the data to the database maintainer. It simply gives copyright protetion to the collective work.
Google could not clain ownership of any data on the Internet (other than its own). Google could claim copyright of the index and search results.
What Google could do is DMCA sites for posting Google link results. However, posting a URL to Google to get the same link results is explicitly permitted in the legislation.
Definitions:
ME -- The collection of the person who I am, my physical, psychological, empotional, and spiritual being as relates to any physical, fantasy, on-line, or spiritual realm, any characteristic of who I am, any description of who I am or of any characteristic of who I am,
DATA -- Any piece of factual information
BELONGS TO -- Any data that describes ME or any of the individual characteristics of ME
This set of data consitutes a database. As such any unauthorized commercial appropriation, use, or distribution of these data are subject to sever legal penalties.
Exactly, this happens every session. This is why it's so dangerous. Fortunately every past attempt has failed. However, no matter how many times some moronic bill like this fails, the PTB only need to get this to pass once.
When was the last time Congress actually repealled a law? If this bad bill becomes a bad law, the only way to get rid of it will be through a court challenge? Who will spend thousands of dollars to fight for the right to copy factual databases?
Political activism is free! Judicial remedies cost money!