I love the real life analogy to a VIDEO GAME, it makes no sense. Video games != Real life.
Remember you don't won the characters or items. You pay Blizzard to have the privilege of using their servers in the way they tell you too. Everything belongs to blizzard.
It affects people by inflation, making spam bots, gold farmers sealing off areas (enter one where you need a drop...good luck). If what you do affects anyone's playing experience because you broke the terms of the TOS then that's the issue. So yes it DOES affect me. If what you did had 0 impact on anyone else not a problem too bad it doesn't
But then again people are so selfish now a days who cares right? I mean you call me an asshole just for disagreeing with you with valid counter points.
This is a GAME! Bottom line. The company who is hosting the game says here are the rules. You may follow them or not. If you don't like them don't play. Don't try to hide your actions which ruin the game for others (inflation, spam bots, just to name a few) behind this is a real economic model. It's not and never will be. Blizzard may one day pull the plug and everything is gone.
It's funny the justification people will give to break the rules in a simple game even though it does effect others. Yes it effects others and when that happens your justifications are out the window.
Blah blah I don't want to grind..blah blah I don't have time...blah blah blah. Dear complainer Blizzard lets you play for free for 30 days if you can't dedicate the time or effort to play the game play something else. Don't do shit which ruins it for others.
If it where just the seller and buyer playing then their would be no issue. However they are other players who want to play by the rules. What you are doing is circumventing the rules and causing their experience to suffer. Bots, spam, inflation, etc. Since what they do effects more then just the buyer and seller that's the issue.
"Here's how we see it: publishers do not have the right to tell gamers that they can't accept money from someone outside of the game."
but they do have the right to say if you want to play our game then you may not accept money from someone outside of the game for in game services/items/whatever because it's a private game on private servers, and the TOS you agree to when you play the game. Just seems like more people and more people want to make a buck no matter who they trample over.
Could this be the time to change the console video game distribution model? Let the customers buy directly from them. The game cases can be very simply [one slip of paper in the from stating the game name], manual could be downloaded form their website in PDF format, etc. If they save all this money of the case/printing manual/cutting out the middle man could they sell the game for 30 or 40 bucks and still profit?
If they tried this model I would more then likely buy the game to support it.
"And if 'they have a fix' why is it usual for 360 owners to already be on their third or fourth machines?"
If it was usual it would be on front pages on national news site, money sites (since that would hurt MS a lot), etc. But wait it isn't. So either MS is doing a fine good job of covering it up or you are full of crap.
Funny I know lots pf people (myself included) with 360s. Of the 15 or so one is on their 2nd console that cost them nothing under the warranty. It's hardware some will have issues. You act like every 360 owner is having issues.
Again either you 360 works or it doesn't. If it doesn't they will fix it.
Since there is no mass failing so 360s there wouldn't be a recall, and no mass failings means its not like the product itself was built like a piece of crap. All manufacturing processes have defects and they are correcting the ones with those defects. Heck they even extended the warranty by a full year after the original 90 day one.
I must be missing something. Rev 1 of hardware goes out the door. Some people have issues with it. They have a fix. So when Rev 1 items go in for repair they put the fix in place (whether or not that's the reason it was sent in).
I don't think so. I think if he was a fan boy he would TELL you what he is reading and why it is the best without even being asked. IMHO fan boys will interject their opinions on their cult of choice when a) it wasn't even asked B) not even remotely close to the topic being discussed C) they know no one cares about D) they know this is the millionth time they have talked about this with the exact same group of people.
I'd like to know how anyone can be a fan boy for anything that boils down to luxury items? I mean the answer is easy: you bought something and need to justify why you bought it even if it sucks. You'd rather say product A is amazing and is a cure all vs. damn made a mistake need to fix it. You can also tell how unhappy a person is with their product by how much energy and effort they put into attacking the competition.
I can respect that. Question though: if the price was still $600 BUT they where say 10 triple AAA games you really wanted would that effect your decision at all?
As for the not wanting to support MS because you don't like them obviously that's a valid point for you. For me I bought one when there was at least a few games I really wanted (oblivion was my first) and that was back in Aug. 06.
Yes the price is high but I am not sure it's the price stopping a lot of people. When someone is going to buy a system now they aren't thinking I will buy this machine now and hope the game I want comes out, they are thinking I am buying this because they are games out now I want to get.
Sony needs games and fast. Good games that are exclusive. That will solve their biggest problem. If the ps3 dropped to 300 bucks would anyone outside the I want blue-ray/linux running on it/etc. crowd buy one? I'm not sure they would until they are games they want.
But what do I know, I thought the Mini Disc was going to rule the world.
Yes but we are talking about China. Do you think they wouldn't strike back if we did this? Could they hit the US mainland probably not. Could they go over to the Middle east and slaughter the troops there? Without a doubt.
Would china toss a nuke at the US....I hope not but who knows. It's one thing to strike a country you overwhelm in every way possible its another thing when the country can hit back.
But I agree with you that I hope it never comes to that. But lets be honest humans are better at making war then peace.
You are assuming China would want the mainland US. My assumption is they simply take Taiwan, and other surrounding countries. Hell they aren't that far away from the middle east to send some troops over. Send a few hundred thousand into the middle east and see what happens.
Then they dump the US dollar (our economy tanks. maybe china takes a hit but at this point it is a war). Now you have a US with a weak economy, weak military, out of the middle east (wonder how much gas costs after that), etc.
As for the small military comment: If you have a small force that cant hold onto the land it grabs once it controls it what good does that do you? Also the small sized forces are highly trained and equipped which means losses hurt you (can't easily replace someone who has been trained for years) vs. hey with conscription we can take massive losses and still go on.
China doesn't need to control the US lands, it just needs to control the US global presence.
I disagree. One if there was a war I don't think China would see us as a cash cow, they would see us as a cow to try to cut up into pieces then sell for more in the short term, and once the war was over their would be reconstruction, trade, etc. so money would still come in.
Two look at the US during our depression what got us out of it. By gearing up the country for war jobs and money were produced. China would do the exact same thing. And since they have a ton of US factories well that wont be a problem.
Three any income loss will not effect the rich it will effect the normal person. Oh out of a job you say well look at the package if you join the army! Oh don't want to join well your coming in anyway either way more numbers to their forces.
Four since the US is already tied up in the middle east and the armed forces are stretched how much could we throw at them vs. what they can throw at us? So the conflict will probably be very quick.
And if China decides to take all the factories and convert them to war production and drafts a lot of its billion citizens you've got a lot of military power quickly. Sure they won't be well trained or equipped but if anything the last couple of decades has shown better trained and equipped doesn't give you a huge advantage it once did.
I'm more concerned how much of the US debt china owns. Imagine china dumping all the debt and buying Euros. Pretty much most articles I have read said it would crush the dollar. That alone would probably be enough to start and end a war all at once.
Too bad the iPhone had to partner with At&T considering all the news about them (filtering content for example). Right now I want to upgrade my phone to one with GPS and turn by turn directions and a few other features. The cost of what I want is high enough that going to a $500 item would not be that hard. Except I have sprint (and a 25% discount from them) and don't want to deal with the hassles of switching numbers.
Oh well only those with the "evil" AT&T can get one.
Perhaps the reason is even though the percentage of macs being purchased is increasing it is still a very small percentage of the overall PC market. Of those mac owners how many play games...probably a very small fraction. So a developer simply says given the small mac market, given the smaller percentage of that who will play games, and then given the even small percentage of those who play games buying my particular game, is the cost worth the potential profit. My guess is right now it is not.
I don't know if it will change anytime soon. No one says I want to play games now so I will buy a mac and hope in 5 years I have a huge selection. The market that does play games wants to now, not in a few years.
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I love the real life analogy to a VIDEO GAME, it makes no sense. Video games != Real life.
Remember you don't won the characters or items. You pay Blizzard to have the privilege of using their servers in the way they tell you too. Everything belongs to blizzard.
It affects people by inflation, making spam bots, gold farmers sealing off areas (enter one where you need a drop...good luck). If what you do affects anyone's playing experience because you broke the terms of the TOS then that's the issue. So yes it DOES affect me. If what you did had 0 impact on anyone else not a problem too bad it doesn't
But then again people are so selfish now a days who cares right? I mean you call me an asshole just for disagreeing with you with valid counter points.
This is a GAME! Bottom line. The company who is hosting the game says here are the rules. You may follow them or not. If you don't like them don't play. Don't try to hide your actions which ruin the game for others (inflation, spam bots, just to name a few) behind this is a real economic model. It's not and never will be. Blizzard may one day pull the plug and everything is gone.
It's funny the justification people will give to break the rules in a simple game even though it does effect others. Yes it effects others and when that happens your justifications are out the window.
Blah blah I don't want to grind..blah blah I don't have time...blah blah blah. Dear complainer Blizzard lets you play for free for 30 days if you can't dedicate the time or effort to play the game play something else. Don't do shit which ruins it for others.
Now back to my little world...
All the others who play the game fairly who feel the effects are.
If it where just the seller and buyer playing then their would be no issue. However they are other players who want to play by the rules. What you are doing is circumventing the rules and causing their experience to suffer. Bots, spam, inflation, etc. Since what they do effects more then just the buyer and seller that's the issue.
"Here's how we see it: publishers do not have the right to tell gamers that they can't accept money from someone outside of the game."
but they do have the right to say if you want to play our game then you may not accept money from someone outside of the game for in game services/items/whatever because it's a private game on private servers, and the TOS you agree to when you play the game. Just seems like more people and more people want to make a buck no matter who they trample over.
Could this be the time to change the console video game distribution model? Let the customers buy directly from them. The game cases can be very simply [one slip of paper in the from stating the game name], manual could be downloaded form their website in PDF format, etc. If they save all this money of the case/printing manual/cutting out the middle man could they sell the game for 30 or 40 bucks and still profit?
If they tried this model I would more then likely buy the game to support it.
Companies paying off game developers for exclusive only content/games/accessories has been going on for along time.
Can we focus more on the all female crew and "sharing bunks" please?
90% of the movie will be about clearing the same sections over and over until the main characters gets the right ubber drop.
:-)
No wait it could be about the main characters fighting cows with weapons...that actually might be fun to watch
I love AC trolls....
"And if 'they have a fix' why is it usual for 360 owners to already be on their third or fourth machines?"
If it was usual it would be on front pages on national news site, money sites (since that would hurt MS a lot), etc. But wait it isn't. So either MS is doing a fine good job of covering it up or you are full of crap.
Funny I know lots pf people (myself included) with 360s. Of the 15 or so one is on their 2nd console that cost them nothing under the warranty. It's hardware some will have issues. You act like every 360 owner is having issues.
Again either you 360 works or it doesn't. If it doesn't they will fix it.
Since there is no mass failing so 360s there wouldn't be a recall, and no mass failings means its not like the product itself was built like a piece of crap. All manufacturing processes have defects and they are correcting the ones with those defects. Heck they even extended the warranty by a full year after the original 90 day one.
I dunno just doesn't seem like a story.
I must be missing something. Rev 1 of hardware goes out the door. Some people have issues with it. They have a fix. So when Rev 1 items go in for repair they put the fix in place (whether or not that's the reason it was sent in).
What am I missing here?
How is the actual voice quality since well it's a phone and all?
I don't think so. I think if he was a fan boy he would TELL you what he is reading and why it is the best without even being asked. IMHO fan boys will interject their opinions on their cult of choice when a) it wasn't even asked B) not even remotely close to the topic being discussed C) they know no one cares about D) they know this is the millionth time they have talked about this with the exact same group of people.
I'd like to know how anyone can be a fan boy for anything that boils down to luxury items? I mean the answer is easy: you bought something and need to justify why you bought it even if it sucks. You'd rather say product A is amazing and is a cure all vs. damn made a mistake need to fix it. You can also tell how unhappy a person is with their product by how much energy and effort they put into attacking the competition.
I can respect that. Question though: if the price was still $600 BUT they where say 10 triple AAA games you really wanted would that effect your decision at all?
As for the not wanting to support MS because you don't like them obviously that's a valid point for you. For me I bought one when there was at least a few games I really wanted (oblivion was my first) and that was back in Aug. 06.
Excuse me ma'am I need you to bend over so my bone can you some information. Careful the information will come in spurts....
Yes the price is high but I am not sure it's the price stopping a lot of people. When someone is going to buy a system now they aren't thinking I will buy this machine now and hope the game I want comes out, they are thinking I am buying this because they are games out now I want to get.
Sony needs games and fast. Good games that are exclusive. That will solve their biggest problem. If the ps3 dropped to 300 bucks would anyone outside the I want blue-ray/linux running on it/etc. crowd buy one? I'm not sure they would until they are games they want.
But what do I know, I thought the Mini Disc was going to rule the world.
Yes but we are talking about China. Do you think they wouldn't strike back if we did this? Could they hit the US mainland probably not. Could they go over to the Middle east and slaughter the troops there? Without a doubt.
Would china toss a nuke at the US....I hope not but who knows. It's one thing to strike a country you overwhelm in every way possible its another thing when the country can hit back.
But I agree with you that I hope it never comes to that. But lets be honest humans are better at making war then peace.
You are assuming China would want the mainland US. My assumption is they simply take Taiwan, and other surrounding countries. Hell they aren't that far away from the middle east to send some troops over. Send a few hundred thousand into the middle east and see what happens.
Then they dump the US dollar (our economy tanks. maybe china takes a hit but at this point it is a war). Now you have a US with a weak economy, weak military, out of the middle east (wonder how much gas costs after that), etc.
As for the small military comment: If you have a small force that cant hold onto the land it grabs once it controls it what good does that do you? Also the small sized forces are highly trained and equipped which means losses hurt you (can't easily replace someone who has been trained for years) vs. hey with conscription we can take massive losses and still go on.
China doesn't need to control the US lands, it just needs to control the US global presence.
I disagree. One if there was a war I don't think China would see us as a cash cow, they would see us as a cow to try to cut up into pieces then sell for more in the short term, and once the war was over their would be reconstruction, trade, etc. so money would still come in.
Two look at the US during our depression what got us out of it. By gearing up the country for war jobs and money were produced. China would do the exact same thing. And since they have a ton of US factories well that wont be a problem.
Three any income loss will not effect the rich it will effect the normal person. Oh out of a job you say well look at the package if you join the army! Oh don't want to join well your coming in anyway either way more numbers to their forces.
Four since the US is already tied up in the middle east and the armed forces are stretched how much could we throw at them vs. what they can throw at us? So the conflict will probably be very quick.
And if China decides to take all the factories and convert them to war production and drafts a lot of its billion citizens you've got a lot of military power quickly. Sure they won't be well trained or equipped but if anything the last couple of decades has shown better trained and equipped doesn't give you a huge advantage it once did.
I'm more concerned how much of the US debt china owns. Imagine china dumping all the debt and buying Euros. Pretty much most articles I have read said it would crush the dollar. That alone would probably be enough to start and end a war all at once.
Too bad the iPhone had to partner with At&T considering all the news about them (filtering content for example). Right now I want to upgrade my phone to one with GPS and turn by turn directions and a few other features. The cost of what I want is high enough that going to a $500 item would not be that hard. Except I have sprint (and a 25% discount from them) and don't want to deal with the hassles of switching numbers.
Oh well only those with the "evil" AT&T can get one.
Perhaps the reason is even though the percentage of macs being purchased is increasing it is still a very small percentage of the overall PC market. Of those mac owners how many play games...probably a very small fraction. So a developer simply says given the small mac market, given the smaller percentage of that who will play games, and then given the even small percentage of those who play games buying my particular game, is the cost worth the potential profit. My guess is right now it is not.
I don't know if it will change anytime soon. No one says I want to play games now so I will buy a mac and hope in 5 years I have a huge selection. The market that does play games wants to now, not in a few years.