You could just pause the DVD and then turn off your TV. Well, unless you were silly enough to get a DVD player integrated into your TV. Pausing isn't going to hurt the disc by any means, unlike tape, and then you can unpause again right to where you were.
I see nothing glorious about the days of VHS, except the ease of recording onto them. And now we even have things like the hard drive in a box to record things for us, or digital video cameras which can output to computer, relieving the need for VHS further. The only reason I have a VCR is to play some older movies and record things very seldomly. I don't watch enough TV to justify a digital recorder. Probably not even once a month, the TV is just there for movies.
I'll definately give you that the intro/disclaimer thing is annoying, but my player has a button to take you to the root menu once the FBI warning is done at least. I don't have to sit through the previews.
Sooo... what you're saying is that instead of dropping a little money to get somebody to fix a problem, and then getting it refunded when it's an actual bug and not a setup problem, you should instead drop what you're doing and debug somebody else's code, which you've probably done no more than compile? Give me a break, yeah, it's great to see what's going on in a program, but if you think that an admin's job is to rewrite flawed portions of other people's code then maybe something is wrong. I would expect the people who make the product to fix their code, especially if I'm the one paying for it. And if it's a setup problem in the first place, fire your admin.
No, it'll happen when people care. I have a friend who worked for Diamond Underground's little online broadcast, announcing games, and while it was a pretty interesting concept, about the only people who would show up to watch were either those waiting for their match to start (and be announced by another announcer, or him as the case may be) or clans who were going to be playing against one of the clans currently playing in the broadcast game.
The thing was witty, interesting, and fast, as these were good players and my friend had no shortage of snide comments to make about peoples' choices of weapons, etc. There just wasn't any real interest, so the thing got canned.
I've worked tech support at an ISP for two summers (and am out of that hell-hole now, thankfully). I know that they leave the mail in there, even the people who used webmail exclusively. Now you'd think that they would just save the thing when they download it, but they still leave anything and everything in their mailboxes. I know some people did at least with images, because they were glad that they still existed in their inbox when they "had to format their hard drive". Not that that just reinforced a nasty habit we were trying to break them of.
My point was more that if users were forced to save and then run, they would do so (and leave it in their inbox as well, as theory dictates) and still infect everybody the world over.
Bah, why take the time to go to Google and search for the company's name when chances are it is company.com? If it isn't then go do a search on a search engine, and drop the.com part.
To show my tech savvy-ness, I'll make the following analogy: Think of it like a cache, its quick to go to company.com - only one page load instead of at least three, one to the search page, one to get results, one to load the page you want. If you're right more than one third of the time, and you probably will be, you get a time benefit. If you're wrong, well, you've got a 33% increase to load this page once, and then can remember the URL for next time. But as long as you're not wrong more than 2/3 of the time, you still see improvement.*
*This of course assumes similar page load times, your milage may vary, but you should get the point.
People still run the thing though. If they're interested enough to run it out of their mail client you'd think they'd probably save it and run it then as well, given half a functional brain cell which knows how to save something. So really is it a failure of the software at all? As you've noted OfficeXP blocks all those executing types of files. Heck, you can rename most.scr files to.exe files and they run that way too, not that most office users have a clue about that.
The next thing you know is that maybe people will catch on and want some confirmation that the sender meant to send the file. Then you'll see the virus sending a second email 5 minutes later saying "don't worry, it's cool". Then us admins will get to explain that no, no it really wasn't...
I found it somewhat funny that here I am working on a SunBlade 100 in my university's computer lab and they consider this enough to be their webserver. While it's a nice box, I certainly wouldn't use the thing as a mainstream server.
I have to say that I agree on that matter. Not to mention, who is going to do the administrative overhead of figuring out who to charge for what page access and where to send the bill. A hundred seperate 5 cent charges to a credit card? Yeah right, it costs the businesses more than that to place a credit card charge, which is why most places won't accept credit cards unless you spend 5-10 dollars. And if there's a central agency they're going to want their cut. I think the whole idea stinks.
And don't even go down the road of how I could spoof a frame from a large company to my own website, showing that I have a request a second from say, GE or something. The potential for dishonesty is just as frightening. And then where do you go to dispute charges, and are you willing to dispute 10 or so of these to a largely ineffectual body every single month? I didn't think so.
I personally would rather have the opportunity to save what I'm working on instead of having my box lock solid on me because of heat. Do I care if I save at 10% normal speed? Hell no, just let me do it thank you.
And I think you have your comments on praising Intel is a tad backwards here, the new Athlons behave the same way the Pentium III (Tualatin included) does. And I won't go into the performance deal, if you're a business the extra money doesn't hurt that much, and you get that little extra reliability out of it at least. If you're not, you probably don't care that much, at least, not if you're reading Slashdot, and probably won't buy a Pentium 4. I doubt most people with computers really care about a couple seconds at high loads, they aren't going to stress the machine that much.
Yes, and aren't you terrified of somebody writing a virus that would infect your computer? Come on, really now, how does a virus do anything to inspire terror? Or am I just being a purist in what terrorism should define?
Crashing planes into buildings, yes, that scared the daylights out of me. Having data I'm diligent about backing up erased off my hard drive, that hardly measures up.
I'm pretty sure that you actually get defensive bonuses for being in rough terrain, like hills, or mountains, or even forest land. I was playing a bit today, oddly enough, and that would be the only logical way to explain the outcome of some of the battles.
I remember doing something like what I can only guess is on the site (seeing as its slashdotted now) when I was like 14. Just get a big magnifying glass lens, the type you can pick up at American Science and Surplus for really cheap, get a decent mirror, put your TV on its back, setup the mirror in a box at a 45 degree angle, cut a hole in the side of the box for the lens, put the whole contraption on the TV, point it at a sheet, turn off the lights and viola, really big, crappy resolution TV. It was a bunch of fun as a kid, playing crappy resolution NES games on it though, and an application of physics if you're into that sort of thing (or teaching your kids that sort of thing or whatever)
While I'm a tad concerned with the whole open up a can o' whoop-ass this early in the game, bin Laden has been wanted for quite some time and already taken responsibility for several acts of terrorism. The simple fact of the matter is that even if he wasn't behind this, and even his orginization wasn't, they've struck the US in the past. That in combination with being hit recently should be convincing enough evidence that we need to take care of bin Laden. Maybe we've just been too lenient with him and the countries harboring him for too long.
I think it would be perfect actually. If you're a business that hasn't patched your server then shame on you and you should have the pain in the ass of getting swamped by mail, like they're swamping us with http requests. If you're an individual then (1) What the hell are you doing with IIS anyway? Vanity page? Its still no excuse to not patch your server. People without an understanding of basic care of their servers shouldn't have them. It would be like me having a car an letting the thing go to crap and then causing an accident because of equimpent failure. Pay somebody to take care of it or do it yourself! (2) Maybe it will crush their bandwidth so severely that they won't be able to try to spread the damn thing so fast. Or make them notice that there is something wrong...
Now I would feel sorry for the bandwidth usage that innocents would get hit with, those carrying the mail to its destination but that have good servers.
The point about email not being secure is pretty moot I think. Mainly you have to intercept the mail. If my poor apache access logs are any proof then setting up a little server on the web and harvesting IPs that way would be so much easier than going to the trouble of intercepting email. Its probably not illegal either.
A central registry would be kinda cool, especially if we could just download the thing and add it to our denied hosts file. Or drop packets at our routers, or whatever else to stem the tide of packets.
Just my 2 cents, but this whole worm thing is kinda upsetting. We use IIS at work and we've found the time to fix the problem before we were hit. C'mon people, this shouldn't happen to you twice...
That was more or less my thought. Why are we just going and polluting a place that we might someday have a chance of living on, or at least visiting frequently? Is there anybody that has forethought anymore?
Hmpf, ask any student from a decently large college/university what they think about their own 56k connection after they move out of the dorms. I'm paying for broadband because it is so much nicer than dial-up. I know a ton of people who do likewise. The people that don't are usually whining about their connection, and just aren't in a semi-permanent residence yet to make getting broadband viable. (You know, 3 month's wait, year long contract... have to live somewhere more than a year then)
Perhaps college students/recent grads are just one demographic, but those of us who have had a large chunk of bandwidth in the past miss it sorely when its gone. And that doesn't even touch on how nice it is to have an always on connection. I may be a gamer geek but I know a slew of people who aren't that want broadband. Maybe they don't need it in the strictest sense of the word, but they certainly want it.
Yes, but to forget is to repeat, and I for one hope that the events of his causing are never forgotten, as I never want to see them repeated. Or, "He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it." Lets just get rid of/bin/laden/ and anything under, but leave the old bits as evidence.
Nah, all the terrorists had were knives. Knives of all things. Probably could have been caught, but it wasn't like they got a gun on the plane.
No the reason they probably chose Boston was its a long flight to LA so the planes would be big and full of fuel. Bigger mess that way.
My heart goes out to everybody touched by this terrible act.
Here at the University of Minnesota Twin Cities we canceled classes for the day. I think everybody here is pretty shaken by this. Pray that this sort of violence doesn't happen again.
Hello, Pentium 4 Xeon's do dual procs. A little more costly but they do it. And besides you need a $500 mobo to do dual Athlons currently, killing that price advantage right? Come on now...
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nVidia provides good picture quality, does excellent DVD playback, superb 3D, and great 2D. The only thing they don't really do is the video recording, but it wouldn't appear that the 8500 is going to do any of that either. You're probably thinking about their all-in-wonders. Okay, no two monitors either in nVidia's top end cards, but as neat as that is, I've found only limited applications for it. It certainly doesn't do a damn thing for gaming.
Sure, the new Radeon took a couple of benchmarks by a little, and got absolutly spanked in others. And this is against a card that has been around for months now. If ATI can get their driver issues under control (which they haven't done in the past, read all the other posts if you think I'm lying) they might be able to beat out the GeForce3 when the GeForce3 Pro or Ultra or whatever the refresh will be named is out. Remember nVidia's 6 month product cycle?
And about your bolded point of the GeForce3 not running at full speed when released, well that's dumb. The damn thing ran faster than anything else months ago and now nVidia is pushing the limits further. Plus if you think you're ever going to reach the theoretical max fill rate you've got another thing coming to you. We should all be rejoicing that nVidia doesn't give their drivers only one shot, but is constantly updating them to make better use of their hardware. The fact of the matter is that its a gift to those with the GeForce3, even though the thing already kicked some serious ass.
The price is high... Yes it is, considering I can get a GeForce3 for less than this new Radeon right now. With the refresh the current generation GeForce3 will drop in price even more, and ATI will be in a world of hurt. Sorry, but ATI probably doesn't have the market leader in a card here. And its a 64MB card? Woo-hoo! So is anything else you would buy today, even the stupid GeForce2 MX's. Not that it matters that much currently, can you name a single game that loads up more than 32 MB of texture?
I was more stating that there would be a lack of consent for me to be experimented upon when I die. Personally I would rather be left in peace in all honesty, selfish as that may be.
And we didn't let all of the Nazi experiments go to waste. Most of our present day knowledge on hypothermia is a direct result of such experiments. To throw that away and let the deaths be meaningless would be shameful. Many people regard the people who died to such cruel acts as martyrs. While I'm not going to touch on martyrdom it makes sense to me to use this knowledge to save people. Why allow two to die if one is already dead and one can be saved? I think human life is more valuable than allowing deaths because the knowledge to save them was from the wrong places.
Maybe my view of religion is a little narrow. I have some real issues with what many religions have done through the ages. I like to be free to explore and form my own opinions, and I've found that religion is in general not so free. I don't like it in the least when the more evangelical of folks try to talk me into more religion. I try to avoid arguments with those unwilling to change their minds. There's just little point.
My mind is changable. If somebody can give me a rational arguement, with evidence beyond that somebody else said so, I will reconsider. I'm still relatively young and I do still have things to learn. I try to remain mindful of that. However the poster that I replied to knew what things are wrong. I didn't reply simply because I thought I knew better, just that their arguement that they knew such experiments were wrong didn't help them stay out of the religious extremist camp. Further I hope that if I ever state that I know the absolute answer on a moral topic that somebody corrects me.
We do have a "Brother Jed" on campus, at least when its warm out, the midwest gets plenty of snow. Maybe not the "Brother Jed", but definately somebody who fits that bill. I pretty much just ignore him, arguing would be pointless. Sadly enough those who try aren't the brightest bunch either. Of interesting note, however, was a debate that my University hosted. It was between a professor of religious faith(s?) and a scientist (biologist I think) that had a very good grounding in religion. It was truly an interesting debate, and while the scientist tended to have more answers he didn't have them all.
I didn't try to state that having morals and being extreme were just point of view. There are many people with very strong morals which one could label extreme. Greenpeace, PETA, and some religious fanatics constitute. Where there is difference is is where morals differ. I see animal testing as a neccessary thing, even though PETA is against it. Am I immoral? To answer that you have to ask if you feel a human life is worth more than an animals life. Its not a conclusion I came to lightly, and I don't feel all testing is needed. I don't think an animal should ever be wasted, but if we need them to cure our own species then I feel we should. I personally feel that it would be immoral not to attempt to if there is a good chance of success. Everybody, however, is free to their opinion on the morality of the issue. I don't want to stop that.
Quite frankly I applaud you for realizing that major changes need to come to society before such an action as outlawing abortion can come to terms. I wish more people were as reasonable. If everything were made as easy for a woman who didn't want a child by other means than abortion (save maybe childbirth, which you can't do much about) then I would reconsider my position. I think the biggest thing I have learned so far is that absolutely nothing is black or white, there's always a trade. Its just where any given person is willing to draw the line.
But you see, you're falling right into that generalization. You're vehemently defending the "unborn child" which is going to be aborted one way or another. You want more people to risk their own lives with the underground abortion clinics? More people trying to stab their fetus with a coat hanger? More people sipping down their pennyroyal tea? I doubt it, that doesn't sound like this beautiful wonder world the "Religious Left" is looking for. The fact is people mess up big time and some of them can live with having an abortion. Maybe I read you wrong and you're only against using the aborted cells in a lab, but don't have anything against abortion. In that case you're still stating you would deny dying people of potential cures to their illnesses.
See, you're just being an evasive religious extremist. You point to all your other beliefs, other things that are generally viewed as good and just, and try to tie them to your fanatical ones. Stating that the rights of the working class are held so closely by you. How much women and minorities should be treated equally. Support for the poor people and countries. Yes these are all great things. Many right wings or moderates believe in them too though. I sure as hell do. But then you state that you know that taking a dead person and experimenting on them is unethical. I'm glad you have such a strong sense of your own ethics. There are probably a few that would disagree, that would state that anything to help people should be allowed, stating that the dead are dead and won't notice a thing. I guess I'm kinda drawn on the subject. The thought of somebody mucking around in my corpse isn't exactly pleasant, but then again, I'm going to be dead so what do I care? And if I end up having cells that prevents thousands to millions of deaths, hey, even better.
But that's not even the real kicker. The kicker is your tacking on that the dead includes fetuses. Now don't get me wrong, you're entitled to that opinion. However, don't go whining when you're placed in the group of the religious extreme. That is, afterall, the group that typically speaks out about the mistreatment of a few cells. that wouldn't be remotely able to survive on their own, or even get to a place where they could, like a parasite.
I suppose that in a certain light you might not be a religious extremist. I guess it all depends on your vantage point. My view of religious extremism is merely rabid evangelism and unwillingness to even consider another point of view because it goes against religion. And typically that's represented by stating that you know something that is controversial rather than believing it.
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I see nothing glorious about the days of VHS, except the ease of recording onto them. And now we even have things like the hard drive in a box to record things for us, or digital video cameras which can output to computer, relieving the need for VHS further. The only reason I have a VCR is to play some older movies and record things very seldomly. I don't watch enough TV to justify a digital recorder. Probably not even once a month, the TV is just there for movies.
I'll definately give you that the intro/disclaimer thing is annoying, but my player has a button to take you to the root menu once the FBI warning is done at least. I don't have to sit through the previews.
Sooo... what you're saying is that instead of dropping a little money to get somebody to fix a problem, and then getting it refunded when it's an actual bug and not a setup problem, you should instead drop what you're doing and debug somebody else's code, which you've probably done no more than compile? Give me a break, yeah, it's great to see what's going on in a program, but if you think that an admin's job is to rewrite flawed portions of other people's code then maybe something is wrong. I would expect the people who make the product to fix their code, especially if I'm the one paying for it. And if it's a setup problem in the first place, fire your admin.
The thing was witty, interesting, and fast, as these were good players and my friend had no shortage of snide comments to make about peoples' choices of weapons, etc. There just wasn't any real interest, so the thing got canned.
My point was more that if users were forced to save and then run, they would do so (and leave it in their inbox as well, as theory dictates) and still infect everybody the world over.
To show my tech savvy-ness, I'll make the following analogy:
Think of it like a cache, its quick to go to company.com - only one page load instead of at least three, one to the search page, one to get results, one to load the page you want. If you're right more than one third of the time, and you probably will be, you get a time benefit. If you're wrong, well, you've got a 33% increase to load this page once, and then can remember the URL for next time. But as long as you're not wrong more than 2/3 of the time, you still see improvement.*
*This of course assumes similar page load times, your milage may vary, but you should get the point.
The next thing you know is that maybe people will catch on and want some confirmation that the sender meant to send the file. Then you'll see the virus sending a second email 5 minutes later saying "don't worry, it's cool". Then us admins will get to explain that no, no it really wasn't...
I found it somewhat funny that here I am working on a SunBlade 100 in my university's computer lab and they consider this enough to be their webserver. While it's a nice box, I certainly wouldn't use the thing as a mainstream server.
And don't even go down the road of how I could spoof a frame from a large company to my own website, showing that I have a request a second from say, GE or something. The potential for dishonesty is just as frightening. And then where do you go to dispute charges, and are you willing to dispute 10 or so of these to a largely ineffectual body every single month? I didn't think so.
And I think you have your comments on praising Intel is a tad backwards here, the new Athlons behave the same way the Pentium III (Tualatin included) does. And I won't go into the performance deal, if you're a business the extra money doesn't hurt that much, and you get that little extra reliability out of it at least. If you're not, you probably don't care that much, at least, not if you're reading Slashdot, and probably won't buy a Pentium 4. I doubt most people with computers really care about a couple seconds at high loads, they aren't going to stress the machine that much.
Crashing planes into buildings, yes, that scared the daylights out of me. Having data I'm diligent about backing up erased off my hard drive, that hardly measures up.
I'm pretty sure that you actually get defensive bonuses for being in rough terrain, like hills, or mountains, or even forest land. I was playing a bit today, oddly enough, and that would be the only logical way to explain the outcome of some of the battles.
I remember doing something like what I can only guess is on the site (seeing as its slashdotted now) when I was like 14. Just get a big magnifying glass lens, the type you can pick up at American Science and Surplus for really cheap, get a decent mirror, put your TV on its back, setup the mirror in a box at a 45 degree angle, cut a hole in the side of the box for the lens, put the whole contraption on the TV, point it at a sheet, turn off the lights and viola, really big, crappy resolution TV. It was a bunch of fun as a kid, playing crappy resolution NES games on it though, and an application of physics if you're into that sort of thing (or teaching your kids that sort of thing or whatever)
While I'm a tad concerned with the whole open up a can o' whoop-ass this early in the game, bin Laden has been wanted for quite some time and already taken responsibility for several acts of terrorism. The simple fact of the matter is that even if he wasn't behind this, and even his orginization wasn't, they've struck the US in the past. That in combination with being hit recently should be convincing enough evidence that we need to take care of bin Laden. Maybe we've just been too lenient with him and the countries harboring him for too long.
Now I would feel sorry for the bandwidth usage that innocents would get hit with, those carrying the mail to its destination but that have good servers.
The point about email not being secure is pretty moot I think. Mainly you have to intercept the mail. If my poor apache access logs are any proof then setting up a little server on the web and harvesting IPs that way would be so much easier than going to the trouble of intercepting email. Its probably not illegal either.
A central registry would be kinda cool, especially if we could just download the thing and add it to our denied hosts file. Or drop packets at our routers, or whatever else to stem the tide of packets.
Just my 2 cents, but this whole worm thing is kinda upsetting. We use IIS at work and we've found the time to fix the problem before we were hit. C'mon people, this shouldn't happen to you twice...
That was more or less my thought. Why are we just going and polluting a place that we might someday have a chance of living on, or at least visiting frequently? Is there anybody that has forethought anymore?
Perhaps college students/recent grads are just one demographic, but those of us who have had a large chunk of bandwidth in the past miss it sorely when its gone. And that doesn't even touch on how nice it is to have an always on connection. I may be a gamer geek but I know a slew of people who aren't that want broadband. Maybe they don't need it in the strictest sense of the word, but they certainly want it.
Yes, but to forget is to repeat, and I for one hope that the events of his causing are never forgotten, as I never want to see them repeated. Or, "He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it." Lets just get rid of /bin/laden/ and anything under, but leave the old bits as evidence.
My heart goes out to everybody touched by this terrible act.
Here at the University of Minnesota Twin Cities we canceled classes for the day. I think everybody here is pretty shaken by this. Pray that this sort of violence doesn't happen again.
Hello, Pentium 4 Xeon's do dual procs. A little more costly but they do it. And besides you need a $500 mobo to do dual Athlons currently, killing that price advantage right? Come on now...
Sure, the new Radeon took a couple of benchmarks by a little, and got absolutly spanked in others. And this is against a card that has been around for months now. If ATI can get their driver issues under control (which they haven't done in the past, read all the other posts if you think I'm lying) they might be able to beat out the GeForce3 when the GeForce3 Pro or Ultra or whatever the refresh will be named is out. Remember nVidia's 6 month product cycle?
And about your bolded point of the GeForce3 not running at full speed when released, well that's dumb. The damn thing ran faster than anything else months ago and now nVidia is pushing the limits further. Plus if you think you're ever going to reach the theoretical max fill rate you've got another thing coming to you. We should all be rejoicing that nVidia doesn't give their drivers only one shot, but is constantly updating them to make better use of their hardware. The fact of the matter is that its a gift to those with the GeForce3, even though the thing already kicked some serious ass.
The price is high...
Yes it is, considering I can get a GeForce3 for less than this new Radeon right now. With the refresh the current generation GeForce3 will drop in price even more, and ATI will be in a world of hurt. Sorry, but ATI probably doesn't have the market leader in a card here. And its a 64MB card? Woo-hoo! So is anything else you would buy today, even the stupid GeForce2 MX's. Not that it matters that much currently, can you name a single game that loads up more than 32 MB of texture?
And we didn't let all of the Nazi experiments go to waste. Most of our present day knowledge on hypothermia is a direct result of such experiments. To throw that away and let the deaths be meaningless would be shameful. Many people regard the people who died to such cruel acts as martyrs. While I'm not going to touch on martyrdom it makes sense to me to use this knowledge to save people. Why allow two to die if one is already dead and one can be saved? I think human life is more valuable than allowing deaths because the knowledge to save them was from the wrong places.
Maybe my view of religion is a little narrow. I have some real issues with what many religions have done through the ages. I like to be free to explore and form my own opinions, and I've found that religion is in general not so free. I don't like it in the least when the more evangelical of folks try to talk me into more religion. I try to avoid arguments with those unwilling to change their minds. There's just little point.
My mind is changable. If somebody can give me a rational arguement, with evidence beyond that somebody else said so, I will reconsider. I'm still relatively young and I do still have things to learn. I try to remain mindful of that. However the poster that I replied to knew what things are wrong. I didn't reply simply because I thought I knew better, just that their arguement that they knew such experiments were wrong didn't help them stay out of the religious extremist camp. Further I hope that if I ever state that I know the absolute answer on a moral topic that somebody corrects me.
We do have a "Brother Jed" on campus, at least when its warm out, the midwest gets plenty of snow. Maybe not the "Brother Jed", but definately somebody who fits that bill. I pretty much just ignore him, arguing would be pointless. Sadly enough those who try aren't the brightest bunch either. Of interesting note, however, was a debate that my University hosted. It was between a professor of religious faith(s?) and a scientist (biologist I think) that had a very good grounding in religion. It was truly an interesting debate, and while the scientist tended to have more answers he didn't have them all.
I didn't try to state that having morals and being extreme were just point of view. There are many people with very strong morals which one could label extreme. Greenpeace, PETA, and some religious fanatics constitute. Where there is difference is is where morals differ. I see animal testing as a neccessary thing, even though PETA is against it. Am I immoral? To answer that you have to ask if you feel a human life is worth more than an animals life. Its not a conclusion I came to lightly, and I don't feel all testing is needed. I don't think an animal should ever be wasted, but if we need them to cure our own species then I feel we should. I personally feel that it would be immoral not to attempt to if there is a good chance of success. Everybody, however, is free to their opinion on the morality of the issue. I don't want to stop that.
Quite frankly I applaud you for realizing that major changes need to come to society before such an action as outlawing abortion can come to terms. I wish more people were as reasonable. If everything were made as easy for a woman who didn't want a child by other means than abortion (save maybe childbirth, which you can't do much about) then I would reconsider my position. I think the biggest thing I have learned so far is that absolutely nothing is black or white, there's always a trade. Its just where any given person is willing to draw the line.
See, you're just being an evasive religious extremist. You point to all your other beliefs, other things that are generally viewed as good and just, and try to tie them to your fanatical ones. Stating that the rights of the working class are held so closely by you. How much women and minorities should be treated equally. Support for the poor people and countries. Yes these are all great things. Many right wings or moderates believe in them too though. I sure as hell do. But then you state that you know that taking a dead person and experimenting on them is unethical. I'm glad you have such a strong sense of your own ethics. There are probably a few that would disagree, that would state that anything to help people should be allowed, stating that the dead are dead and won't notice a thing. I guess I'm kinda drawn on the subject. The thought of somebody mucking around in my corpse isn't exactly pleasant, but then again, I'm going to be dead so what do I care? And if I end up having cells that prevents thousands to millions of deaths, hey, even better.
But that's not even the real kicker. The kicker is your tacking on that the dead includes fetuses. Now don't get me wrong, you're entitled to that opinion. However, don't go whining when you're placed in the group of the religious extreme. That is, afterall, the group that typically speaks out about the mistreatment of a few cells. that wouldn't be remotely able to survive on their own, or even get to a place where they could, like a parasite.
I suppose that in a certain light you might not be a religious extremist. I guess it all depends on your vantage point. My view of religious extremism is merely rabid evangelism and unwillingness to even consider another point of view because it goes against religion. And typically that's represented by stating that you know something that is controversial rather than believing it.
Well, except that tons of inventions and discoveries are made while searching for the answer to something else. Maybe not so in software, but still.