I run Slackware 7.1 on a K6-II 300 mhz box, 288 megs ram , 4 gigs hd and it works fine. I concur that some of the newer distros are sort of bloated. Slack and Debian are more suited to an older/less robust type of computer as they should in typical Linux fashion. Seems that some of these company's marketing the newer distros are forgetting their roots
My experience with the 2.4.x kernels has been good, cept I find the module thing kinda twitchy.
I couldn't get my soundblaster 16 to work as a module, so I had to cheat and compile support directly into the kernel. Also I had to write a script which loaded the modules for my nic (ne2-k)
and the iptables stuff. Yes, I have updated my modutils as suggested in the Changes doc with the kernel source. This was the only way I could get that stuff to work. Otherwise 2.4.x is a blast *grin*
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I would take legal action on this, speak to a lawyer, after all its your reputation being slandered. A dangerous situation for you. BTW for you younger guys feeling about age discrimination, well it gets worse on the other end of the spectrum. I'm 53, 17 years experience as sysadmin on a variety of platforms, Novell, NT, THEOS, a Unix sysadmin cert from a comminity college (SCO, Some Solaris & Redhat), I picked up Linux 4 years ago, brought myself up to speed on my own. Still can't find a job in that area. A really bad scene all around
YO
I was "weaned" on ICEWM back in 98/99, but I switched to XFCE. It ROCKS on my linux box (older puter K6-II 300 mhz cpu, 288 megs ram, 4 gigs cpu)...:)
amen to this post.:) I got involved with Linux in 98, wanted to bone up on Unix so I started with Slackware 3.6. Wow, sure opened my mind:)
Upgraded to Slack 7.1, and with the experience gained, I aced my courses in the Unix sysadmin program at Centennial College in Toronto.
I once read that:
Slackware = Unix of Linux
Redhat = Microsoft of Linux
Debian = Linux of Linux.
Well whatever, I'm sticking with Slack, will move to Slack 8 someday. I have a Win98 computer which my wife and daughter use, sharing one internet connection via Ip Masquerade. I taught myself the tricks of ssh and samba. I feel like I'm walking on water *grin*
Well, Linux is the type of operating system where you are EXPECTED to go under the hood (as the mechanics would say..*grin*). It's part of the challenge. Initially I had problems with printing on my Slackware 7.1 box. So I installed a script called apsfilter (which came along with the distribution and is available at freshmeat.net or tucows). This little beauty did everything needed to be done for my printer setup, including editing the/etc/printcap file. In my four years of running Linux, I have yet to find anything that there wasn't software regularly available on the net, and print tools such as apsfilter is just one example
Good suggestion and an excellent thread, btw. The guys from the Toronto Linux users group did an SQL ledeger review and install in Nov I believe and I heard it went really well. User friendly sort of install, easy maintenance. Being a Canadian accountant (CMA) I can hardly wait for thhis product to become more in the "mainstream". Here is an excellent opportunity for "wannabee consultants" like myself to offer Linux to clients with all the advantages of reliability, etc, plus a solid little accounting package.
Try www.tek-tips.com. You can post your support questions for Windows as well as Linux queries there. The folks are quite knowledgeable there and quite friendly. And there is also the tried and true google.com searches *grin*
Well I guess that the bunch at Microsoft have totally missed the point, considering the events of the last few months,such as a constant flow of worms, trojans which seem to haunt the Microsoft Products. Didn't the Gartner Group say a month ago that IIS server's were fast becoming a liability, considering these security and related maintenance issues ? Companys are moving to Linux because such security issues are promptly dealt with, plus the fact that Linux excels as a server with a minimum of maintenance, etc. Perhaps Microsoft should focus their efforts on improving the aspects of their products where these vulnerabilities are of a crucial nature and hence remove any such *threat* to their market share.*grin*
Point well said. The article as posted confirms my suspicion of the "stick your head in the sand" mentality of the corporate world. Even after the almost weekly reports of trojans, viruses being released which haunt the Microsoft products. Didn't the Gartner Group make the recommendation that Microsoft IIS servers were becoming too costly in terms of maintenance, security, etc?
I guess not too many of these people are listening..:P
I have been getting a ton of port 80 scans on my Linux box ( I don't use a webserver like Apache), but it seems that half the infected boxes on the planet are probing mine. I run Portsentry for protection so all the port 80 scans are blocked by the script and logged in my syslog. I have even written a few of the ISP's where their clients with infected boxes were scanning. Some even responded politely *grin*
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Hmmn
I second those comments. Its amazing how after these "corporate brains" screw things up, have to merge or downsize or whatever. It's the ordinary folks who busted their butts for these companys, are usually the first to get chopped.
This scenario sucks IMHO.
Here at last is a country whose government has the
absolute "BALLS" to put the well being of their
people before the immoral interests of multinational corporations who seem to answer to none these days. Its good to see that at least one government has placed value on the morality of this issue.. " some of its population in dire need versus quarterly profits of the multinationals".
-- Sir, without a need for money, the challenge is for us to become better people.. Captain Picard.. Starship Enterprise--
Personally I would say NO, but then perhaps the corporate world is full of network admins who are too busy plugging holes in their IIS servers to be able to concentrate on installing a regular Linux distro, with security hardening readily available on the Internet. Lets wait and see the market response to this "distribution", but with IBM including Linux (Suse) for their mainframe environment, at a hello of a lot less than $3G's (according to recent articles here), I think HP needs to seriously re-examine their pricing structure. Also I am sure there will be issues regarding GPL, etc which have to be carefully examined, regarding this situation
Hmmn,well I might just point out that IBM feels differently and have been extremely successful in deploying Linux on their mainframes, Korean Airlines being a special situation considering the importance (mission critical) of these systems. Lets face it, Linux has moved into big league based on the collective intellect of the open source people who keep improving the kernel, and the corp world has finally realized that. Here is an operating system which has made it into the big league, and no new trojans on a weekly basis, to worry about either.
My 2 bits
Excellent point here. I sure wouldn't want my mission critical running on a platform which seems to be bombarded on a weekly basis by trojans, viruses, seemingly unworkable or inflexible security patching procedures (my impression anyway). And look at the cost savings from a strictly cost/benefits point of view.
My two bits
--- tired of seeing port 80 scans in my syslog --
Amen to that. Canadian expertise in space robotics, is well respected in the engineering world. I wish some of these kids would not show there immaturity and/or ignorance by these posts in a public forum.
My 2 bits...:P
This seems a wondereful idea to me. Compaq had the same thing going a while back but they offered it as a "Test Drive a Compaq Unix server" I was involved Unix college courses then, and it was a bonus to be able to complete assignments in a Unix environment. IBM is pushing Linux at a segment of the market who are probably interested, but have not had or taken the chance to test a Linux server. And its good business sense for IBM too, being involved in the shared development of an operating system which was and is being developed by probably some of the best software engineers on the planet. A great business opportunity for the progressive organization that IBM is.
My two bits *grin*
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ee. ee.. ee.. ee. ee.ee..ee..eee
the lion is here tonite
no sleep my darlin, the sysadmin warning
the lion is here tonite
Well, in my opinion.. NO!!. you cant even print from the damn thing. Also, I hope they don't expect anyone in their right mind to PAY (register and pay) for a beta product.
My two bits
Good point here. I used to be on efnet a few years ago, and it was like the wild wild west *grin*. DOS attacks, channel takeovers, eggdrops guarding our channels were all part of the norm. I learned how to program a bot there, set up my own firewall as a necessity of life..It was a lots of fun. Now I am on dalnet, which is policed by chanserv, nickserv, etc. Somehow life doesn't seem the same..
*grin*
Hmmn
I could swear that I say a book somewhere, maybe not a 'Dummies' one, but with the Slackware 7.0
cd. On the other hand it may just be that Slackware is NOT for Dummies, LOL.
My two bits
I think Basic is a good choice. I went from BasicA to commercial Business Basic real fast in a neccessity situation. BasicA was a good place to pick up the concepts, no matter how simple. My two bits:)
Hi My two bits. Another angle might be to invite people from the local Linux users group to make a Linux presentation at your school. Or even ask at your local IBM office if any of their techies would pay a visit. I ran into a whole slew of IBM people at a booth in the Linux section at Toronto Comdex last Aug, and they were just "dying" to go anywhere to spread the faith;)
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I run Slackware 7.1 on a K6-II 300 mhz box, 288 megs ram , 4 gigs hd and it works fine. I concur that some of the newer distros are sort of bloated. Slack and Debian are more suited to an older/less robust type of computer as they should in typical Linux fashion. Seems that some of these company's marketing the newer distros are forgetting their roots
My two bits
My experience with the 2.4.x kernels has been good, cept I find the module thing kinda twitchy.
I couldn't get my soundblaster 16 to work as a module, so I had to cheat and compile support directly into the kernel. Also I had to write a script which loaded the modules for my nic (ne2-k)
and the iptables stuff. Yes, I have updated my modutils as suggested in the Changes doc with the kernel source. This was the only way I could get that stuff to work. Otherwise 2.4.x is a blast *grin*
My two bits
Clive
Hi
I would take legal action on this, speak to a lawyer, after all its your reputation being slandered. A dangerous situation for you. BTW for you younger guys feeling about age discrimination, well it gets worse on the other end of the spectrum. I'm 53, 17 years experience as sysadmin on a variety of platforms, Novell, NT, THEOS, a Unix sysadmin cert from a comminity college (SCO, Some Solaris & Redhat), I picked up Linux 4 years ago, brought myself up to speed on my own. Still can't find a job in that area. A really bad scene all around
My two bits
YO :)
..www.xfce.org
I was "weaned" on ICEWM back in 98/99, but I switched to XFCE. It ROCKS on my linux box (older puter K6-II 300 mhz cpu, 288 megs ram, 4 gigs cpu)...
XFCE !!!!
amen to this post.:) I got involved with Linux in 98, wanted to bone up on Unix so I started with Slackware 3.6. Wow, sure opened my mind :)
Upgraded to Slack 7.1, and with the experience gained, I aced my courses in the Unix sysadmin program at Centennial College in Toronto.
I once read that:
Slackware = Unix of Linux
Redhat = Microsoft of Linux
Debian = Linux of Linux.
Well whatever, I'm sticking with Slack, will move to Slack 8 someday. I have a Win98 computer which my wife and daughter use, sharing one internet connection via Ip Masquerade. I taught myself the tricks of ssh and samba. I feel like I'm walking on water *grin*
My two bits
Well, Linux is the type of operating system where you are EXPECTED to go under the hood (as the mechanics would say..*grin*). It's part of the challenge. Initially I had problems with printing on my Slackware 7.1 box. So I installed a script called apsfilter (which came along with the distribution and is available at freshmeat.net or tucows). This little beauty did everything needed to be done for my printer setup, including editing the /etc/printcap file. In my four years of running Linux, I have yet to find anything that there wasn't software regularly available on the net, and print tools such as apsfilter is just one example
My two bits
Good suggestion and an excellent thread, btw. The guys from the Toronto Linux users group did an SQL ledeger review and install in Nov I believe and I heard it went really well. User friendly sort of install, easy maintenance. Being a Canadian accountant (CMA) I can hardly wait for thhis product to become more in the "mainstream". Here is an excellent opportunity for "wannabee consultants" like myself to offer Linux to clients with all the advantages of reliability, etc, plus a solid little accounting package.
My two bits
Scott
Try www.tek-tips.com. You can post your support questions for Windows as well as Linux queries there. The folks are quite knowledgeable there and quite friendly. And there is also the tried and true google.com searches *grin*
My two bits
Well I guess that the bunch at Microsoft have totally missed the point, considering the events of the last few months,such as a constant flow of worms, trojans which seem to haunt the Microsoft Products. Didn't the Gartner Group say a month ago that IIS server's were fast becoming a liability, considering these security and related maintenance issues ? Companys are moving to Linux because such security issues are promptly dealt with, plus the fact that Linux excels as a server with a minimum of maintenance, etc. Perhaps Microsoft should focus their efforts on improving the aspects of their products where these vulnerabilities are of a crucial nature and hence remove any such *threat* to their market share.*grin*
My two bits
Point well said. The article as posted confirms my suspicion of the "stick your head in the sand" mentality of the corporate world. Even after the almost weekly reports of trojans, viruses being released which haunt the Microsoft products. Didn't the Gartner Group make the recommendation that Microsoft IIS servers were becoming too costly in terms of maintenance, security, etc?
.. :P
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I guess not too many of these people are listening
My two bits
I have been getting a ton of port 80 scans on my Linux box ( I don't use a webserver like Apache), but it seems that half the infected boxes on the planet are probing mine. I run Portsentry for protection so all the port 80 scans are blocked by the script and logged in my syslog. I have even written a few of the ISP's where their clients with infected boxes were scanning. Some even responded politely *grin*
My two bits
Hmmn
I second those comments. Its amazing how after these "corporate brains" screw things up, have to merge or downsize or whatever. It's the ordinary folks who busted their butts for these companys, are usually the first to get chopped.
This scenario sucks IMHO.
My 0.02cents
Well said !!
.. " some of its population in dire need versus quarterly profits of the multinationals".
.. Captain Picard .. Starship Enterprise--
Here at last is a country whose government has the
absolute "BALLS" to put the well being of their
people before the immoral interests of multinational corporations who seem to answer to none these days. Its good to see that at least one government has placed value on the morality of this issue
-- Sir, without a need for money, the challenge is for us to become better people
Personally I would say NO, but then perhaps the corporate world is full of network admins who are too busy plugging holes in their IIS servers to be able to concentrate on installing a regular Linux distro, with security hardening readily available on the Internet. Lets wait and see the market response to this "distribution", but with IBM including Linux (Suse) for their mainframe environment, at a hello of a lot less than $3G's (according to recent articles here), I think HP needs to seriously re-examine their pricing structure. Also I am sure there will be issues regarding GPL, etc which have to be carefully examined, regarding this situation
My two bits
Hmmn,well I might just point out that IBM feels differently and have been extremely successful in deploying Linux on their mainframes, Korean Airlines being a special situation considering the importance (mission critical) of these systems. Lets face it, Linux has moved into big league based on the collective intellect of the open source people who keep improving the kernel, and the corp world has finally realized that. Here is an operating system which has made it into the big league, and no new trojans on a weekly basis, to worry about either.
My 2 bits
Excellent point here. I sure wouldn't want my mission critical running on a platform which seems to be bombarded on a weekly basis by trojans, viruses, seemingly unworkable or inflexible security patching procedures (my impression anyway). And look at the cost savings from a strictly cost/benefits point of view.
My two bits
--- tired of seeing port 80 scans in my syslog --
Amen to that. Canadian expertise in space robotics, is well respected in the engineering world. I wish some of these kids would not show there immaturity and/or ignorance by these posts in a public forum. ... :P
My 2 bits
This seems a wondereful idea to me. Compaq had the same thing going a while back but they offered it as a "Test Drive a Compaq Unix server" I was involved Unix college courses then, and it was a bonus to be able to complete assignments in a Unix environment. IBM is pushing Linux at a segment of the market who are probably interested, but have not had or taken the chance to test a Linux server. And its good business sense for IBM too, being involved in the shared development of an operating system which was and is being developed by probably some of the best software engineers on the planet. A great business opportunity for the progressive organization that IBM is.
My two bits *grin*
ee. ee .. ee .. ee. ee.ee ..ee ..eee
the lion is here tonite
no sleep my darlin, the sysadmin warning
the lion is here tonite
god, i must be crazy adding this post *LOL*
Well, in my opinion .. NO!!. you cant even print from the damn thing. Also, I hope they don't expect anyone in their right mind to PAY (register and pay) for a beta product.
My two bits
Good point here. I used to be on efnet a few years ago, and it was like the wild wild west *grin*. DOS attacks, channel takeovers, eggdrops guarding our channels were all part of the norm. I learned how to program a bot there, set up my own firewall as a necessity of life..It was a lots of fun. Now I am on dalnet, which is policed by chanserv, nickserv, etc. Somehow life doesn't seem the same.. *grin*
Hmmn I could swear that I say a book somewhere, maybe not a 'Dummies' one, but with the Slackware 7.0 cd. On the other hand it may just be that Slackware is NOT for Dummies, LOL.
My two bits
I think Basic is a good choice. I went from BasicA to commercial Business Basic real fast in a neccessity situation. BasicA was a good place to pick up the concepts, no matter how simple. :)
My two bits
I second that! #Linux on Dalnet is GREAT as is #linuxhelp on Efnet
Hi My two bits. Another angle might be to invite people from the local Linux users group to make a Linux presentation at your school. Or even ask at your local IBM office if any of their techies would pay a visit. I ran into a whole slew of IBM people at a booth in the Linux section at Toronto Comdex last Aug, and they were just "dying" to go anywhere to spread the faith ;)