If the shop is so busy that customers are getting pissed off with the queues, then the shop should put on more staff. You attacking other customers for something that is a consequence of decisions the shop has made is misguided.
The problem here is that most of the time the store isn't that busy and at least where I live local labor laws prohibit stores from having employees come in just for 30-60 minutes of work, it's a 3 hour minimum IIRC, and most stores don't want to be overstaffed, it's basically the same as when people complain about having to wait for tech support for thirty minutes, it's because they called at the wrong time and the idiots who complain about non-issues and rant and rave have 15+ minute calls while those with real issues have 5 minute "thank you for reporting this, sir"-calls. They wouldn't be so horribly understaffed if it wasn't for customers demanding unreasonable things (as in, things that aren't being offered) or simply wasting time by not being prepared (the tech support equivalent of not having your money ready would be calling from your car and arguing for ten minutes about how you shouldn't be expected to understand that you have to be in front of your computer to get help).
And besides, even if she has an expired coupon, they might still accept it. She won't know if she doesn't ask! Also bear in mind that for most of the life of your old shopper, the person taking the money could authorise things like taking a coupon, so it is quite reasonable that they ask. What they don't understand is all the modern nuances of working for a big corporation, i.e. the cover-your-ass that has to be played constantly, or stuff will get pinned on you so that the pinner can look good at their performance review.
I've never heard of any chain store around here that accepts expired coupons, ever. I suppose maybe in the 70s and earlier but the last few decades, no, I don't buy it.
Some shops are also flexible with coupons, so it is not unreasonable to expect people to knowingly try and use technically invalid coupons. Supermarkets will take money off coupons for a product even if you don't buy the product, so just collecting coupons can give you a discount even if you aren't a consumer a specific product.
Once again, I've never heard of it, at least not around here, things may be different where you live but around here I've never heard of this.
Well, before you started posting comments about it I actually considered adding it to my sig but I was being lazy, now I have a good reason not to do it, it keeps at least one troll occupied.
If the coupon says "Expires 2009-12-10" would you go into a store at rush hour on december 15th and spend five minutes arguing with the cashier over something that anyone with half a brain cell left knows the cashier can't do anything about? Or how about going to the store without the coupon and saying "but I have the coupon at home" as an argument for why you should be allowed to get the coupon discount even though the cashier isn't allowed to make that call?
I've flown quite a lot and I've also been to a number of air shows and I'm still convinced there were way too many maneuvers pulled by the CGI Hornets in Independence day that would have resulted in crashed or at least stalled planes. Have you seen some of the things those planes in the movie do? Their movement is too cartoonish and "action packed", basically it's Hollywood aerodynamics where suspense and "wow cool!" are way more important than realism.
(When I say "bounce" keep in mind I also described it as "giant invisible rubber bands", that is to say, going downward with the plane facing more forward than downward yet somehow making a neat sine-curve "bounce" up at low speed with the nose still pointing way too much forward for it to simply be explained by "oh well he used the afterburner", unless it was some magic Area 51-style VTOL Hornet it shouldn't have been able to move like that.)
To be honest, this one looked a lot more realistic, just the fact that none of the airplanes/spaceships seemed to be connected to giant invisible rubber bands that made them bounce around in ways that they simply couldn't without falling apart (or out of the sky). If you have no idea what I'm talking about, just watch a few of scenes with F-18 Hornets in Independence Day and notice how they time and time again "bounce" mid-air, it's the kind of thing anyone with a few weeks of experience with 3D animation would try to avoid (which makes me think it was a directorial/managerial decision to make them behave that way).
I wasn't talking about those situations, I was talking about the neighborhood grocery store where they have plenty of change (unlike other stores I've never heard them say they're running low on bills or coins).
Hell, they have special machines for coins so they don't handle the coins manually at all, you the coins in a slot in the machine and when you get change it comes out into a tray.
1) I wasn't complaining about people paying with cash.
2) Once again, I wasn't complaining about people paying with cash but most people I know with insight into the costs of running a store say that transaction fees are less than the costs associated with handling large amounts of cash safely.
3) Most grocery stores don't have much gossip, and if they do it generally isn't five minutes of idle gossip when there's a long line of customers.
4) I wasn't complaining about anyone's ability to count, perhaps you should have read my post before replying?
5) I wasn't complaining about old people being slightly slower than others, I was complaining about those who are so inept at paying for their groceries that it takes them several minutes just to get their credit card/money out and despite this insist on shopping at the times of the day when there are as many customers as possible (and since most of these people are the elderly I doubt they lack the free time to show up an hour or two earlier when the stores are practically abandoned compared to the 16:30 - 17:30 rush of people who remembered they need some milk or whatever and end up stuck behind some little old lady with a full shopping cart doing her weekly grocery shopping).
Ah, but most people who pay with cash are actually quite quick, it's just that you don't notice the 20-something who hands the cashier a 20, takes his change and leaves, what you notice is Abigail, age 79, who thinks she's doing the cashier a favor by paying for her $17.74 worth of groceries in exact change when there's a huge line forming behind her as she tries to remember if she's got any extra pennies. Now with "Abigail" the same problem occurs with credit/debit cards:
First she can't open her purse.
Next she can't find her wallet.
Of course, she can't remember where in the wallet her card is.
Now she struggles to get the card out of the wallet.
Once the card is out she has no idea how to orient the card when using it.
Oh, she finally got that right, now what's this pin thing?
She finally remembers the PIN.
Oh, turns out it was the wrong card, no money on that account, oh well I'm sure the other card is somewhere in that big purse of hers...
And yes, I've been stuck for 5+ minutes behind elderly ladies like the one in my example above, they also tend to do their weekly/monthly shopping run at the local grocery store right around 16-17 in the afternoon, and they always argue with the cashier about their expired coupons (or they argue about how lemons and oranges are practically the same thing so they should get a discount on the lemons with their orange coupon etc). I may not be overly stressed but after spending a total of 10-15 minutes waiting for others to pay for their groceries I'm just about ready to go postal...
I'm not complaining about sudo, I'm just saying that these days it seems the default for a lot of desktop distros is that all users have the right to use sudo (or rather, the GUI-fied versions used by desktop distros) so it's little more than clicking "Yes, I do wish to install malware" when it comes to actual security.
Every since desktop Linux distros started pulling the whole "regular users can use sudo to do anything they want" thing I've felt a lot less secure using them, the root password is so that only root can install stuff, in that sense security is actually heightened compared to the "sudo for everyone and everything" distros. Of course, if the owner of a computer hands out the root password to anyone who asks for it then there is just as little security as with the sudo bunch.
Surely at some point the judge/judges in that small corner of Texas should, if they're not idiots or in league with these trolls, realize that the reason they're getting so many patent lawsuits filed in their jurisdiction is because they're considered to be overly in favor of the people who are suing?
But maybe I'm just living in some sort of dreamworld where judges aren't incompetent or evil..
So, you're saying that he's still infinitely more qualified for the job than GWB ever was? (I'm sorry but while I generally don't trust political leaders who are a bit too great at speaking I must say that I have just as little faith in a nuclear-armed man who is unable to speak before a crowd for more than a minute without coming off as an idiot)
While it may not be price fixing it could very well be that you have n major players in a market who all are clever enough to realize that they could all lower their prices by say, 30% and still turn a profit. When all competitors are aware that any attempts at a price war will just end up with them and their competitors in a deadlock and lowered margins for everyone they're likely not to go that route, they might gain some marginal short-term market share but when the other guys dump their prices that will be lost anyway...
How about you tell me "watch my house and make sure nothing gets stolen, here are the keys" and two days later you show up, so drunk you can barely stand and demand I give you the keys "'cosh ah wanna getsh the cousch an' star' a fire!", would you consider it to be the right thing for me to do to just give you the keys and say "sure, have fun, there's a bottle of lighter fluid under the sink"?
Only if the WYSIWYG tool is capable of doing things right without messing them up, which is the main problem with MS Word btw, the output just ends up being a bit wrong, still good enough that most people who are just printing out office memos don't care or notice but anyone who gives their document a second look (and isn't just looking for typos) will notice that it's not looking right compared to some "professional" documents they've seen in their lives.
Also, if your number one issue is "I don't want to write markup, never never never!" then there's always LyX.
Actually, my experience with LaTeX is that if you look at it as HTML with different keywords and keep some decent documentation nearby (there are several good PDF books available for free online) it is easier to use LaTeX if you want sane printable results than it is to use MS Word or another word processor (hell, the reason I started using LaTeX to begin with was because I got fed up with trying to force word processors to give me decent output).
...to handle writing scientific reports on Linux, and AbiWord wasn't up to the job (Note to trolls: please don't bother with shill posts for TeX/LaTex. I'm sure it's very good, but I've got work to do.)
Excuse me but would you also consider someone who tells a carpenter that a hammer is a much better tool for driving nails than a stapler a troll because you can't be bothered taking three seconds to figure out what end of the hammer to hold?
That's actually the reason the IT and development teams where I work aren't allowed to listen to music using mp3 players, because the "production" staff isn't allowed to (since they need to hear when phones ring and pay attention to various things). Listening to death metal from a burned CD using a boombox is apparently fine though, great set of rules there...
What's even worse is that the devs are seated right next to the helpdesk guys so we constantly get hassled by users with "I can't print my document" issues and they won't even let us have a cube wall between us and the door (the helpdesk guys being seated on the other side of the room right next to the door) because that could be interpreted as us "distancing" ourselves from the rest of the company.
That's why public places like offices and schools are much easier to make maps out of than homes, most homes do tend to be cramped and small compared to the average FPS map.
Personally I'd like to try my hand at making a map of my home town for a squad-based RTS and then play it with other people from around here to see if what part of town you live in would reflect your choices in how you play the map.
Well also consider this. What happens when everyone is either nice and skinny or super ripped? Our human nature is still to be competitive, so there will be plenty of us still striving to be physically better than the guy standing next to you. When does it end?
Another possibility is that when/if it becomes easy for anyone to be healthy and fit it will no longer be a major source of "competition" and people will focus on other factors (although the initial reaction will probably be that some people will take the fitness thing too far in order to outdo everyone else).
Your argument about how children are raised is pretty weak. There was always junk food available in my home growing up, and I turned out fine. My brothers on the other hand are morbidly obese. I chose to ask my parents to let me play ice hockey, and they did. Several players from my team came from the forceful parents who only served healthy food types of homes, and they all turned into fat slobs when they left for college. I know dozens of people who were terribly fat as children, and made the conscious choice to change themselves for the better. It's all about personal choice once you become an adult. Blaming your parents for making you fat once you've passed the age of 25 is complete and utter BS.
No, it's not weak. Research has shown that obese children are a lot more likely to end up as obese adults, and a lot of obese children are obese because of their parents (what five year-old knows enough about nutrition to understand that candy bars are unhealthy if no one tells him/her this?).
And an individual with parents who made him/her stay fit up to age 18 has a "running start" compared to someone who was always "that fat kid", staying fit is a lot easier than becoming fit, so most likely there are lots of fat people out there who are a lot more motivated and try a lot harder to get into shape than you think, especially compared to those who were basically forced to stay super-fit by parents dreaming of their child becoming a world-class athlete.
I suppose I just don't like the idea of fat, lazy people sitting around thinking "Oh I can have another dozen donuts, it's ok, smart scientists will figure out a way to make me skinny." It's like not working because you know you can get welfare from the taxes of the people who do.
The "oh I can just get welfare" attitude is a lot less common than you think, and it's not like most of those with that attitude started out with it, from what I've seen it's something that comes with the 100th or so rejected job application, people just give up and say "fuck it, if no one wants me to work then I'll just sit here and watch TV".
So your argument boils down to "I worked hard and now there's an easy solution, it should be banned to make me feel superior."? I guess your really hate that using a computer no longer requires programming knowledge as well?
Also, what about the kid who grew up with parents who fed him/her shitty fast food every day and by the time he/she was old enough to realize it was the crappy diet turning him/her into a fatty he/she was already at that point where exercise was a lot harder than it would've been for someone who grew up in a family where mommy and daddy made sure they ate only healthy food, where monday, wednesday, friday and weekends were "hockey practice days" or "soccer practice days", where daddy would stand by the side of the rink screaming at them to perform better? How is the latter not an "unfair" advantage compared in regard to physical fitness?
Well, if you can take a drug that means more energy gets converted into muscle instead of fat (and also that more of your body fat is used up in everyday activities) then the increased fitness will probably make it feel like less of a PITA to exercise.
I was a chubby (not fat) kid myself and even though I also had a lot of muscle back in those days (I was tall and had a bit of a (american) football player look to me) I found that compared to when I was in college and practically underweight (ah, the college diet, hard bread, orange juice and the occasional ramen is all you need) with very little body fat exercise was a lot more of a hassle, in college I wasn't lifting all that extra weight so physical activities became a lot more fun (since I could be physically active over longer periods of time instead of just bursts, running n miles at x mph is a lot more fun than running n/4 miles at 2*x mph).
Joking aside, this will most likely not be widely available to "regular people" even if it proves to be practically harmless, if it does end up available to healthy people it will be as a $2,000 per shot "treatment" aimed at the plastic surgery crowd.
This seems to be the faith of every "wonder drug" out there, can't have regular people using something like this cheaply and easily (as in, if it ends up being inexpensive it will instead require three doctors to sign off on you have muscle dystrophy or something like that, if it ends up being expensive then it will be more readily available but only to those who have no problem blowing ten grand on it).
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If the shop is so busy that customers are getting pissed off with the queues, then the shop should put on more staff. You attacking other customers for something that is a consequence of decisions the shop has made is misguided.
The problem here is that most of the time the store isn't that busy and at least where I live local labor laws prohibit stores from having employees come in just for 30-60 minutes of work, it's a 3 hour minimum IIRC, and most stores don't want to be overstaffed, it's basically the same as when people complain about having to wait for tech support for thirty minutes, it's because they called at the wrong time and the idiots who complain about non-issues and rant and rave have 15+ minute calls while those with real issues have 5 minute "thank you for reporting this, sir"-calls. They wouldn't be so horribly understaffed if it wasn't for customers demanding unreasonable things (as in, things that aren't being offered) or simply wasting time by not being prepared (the tech support equivalent of not having your money ready would be calling from your car and arguing for ten minutes about how you shouldn't be expected to understand that you have to be in front of your computer to get help).
And besides, even if she has an expired coupon, they might still accept it. She won't know if she doesn't ask! Also bear in mind that for most of the life of your old shopper, the person taking the money could authorise things like taking a coupon, so it is quite reasonable that they ask. What they don't understand is all the modern nuances of working for a big corporation, i.e. the cover-your-ass that has to be played constantly, or stuff will get pinned on you so that the pinner can look good at their performance review.
I've never heard of any chain store around here that accepts expired coupons, ever. I suppose maybe in the 70s and earlier but the last few decades, no, I don't buy it.
Some shops are also flexible with coupons, so it is not unreasonable to expect people to knowingly try and use technically invalid coupons. Supermarkets will take money off coupons for a product even if you don't buy the product, so just collecting coupons can give you a discount even if you aren't a consumer a specific product.
Once again, I've never heard of it, at least not around here, things may be different where you live but around here I've never heard of this.
/Mikael
Well, before you started posting comments about it I actually considered adding it to my sig but I was being lazy, now I have a good reason not to do it, it keeps at least one troll occupied.
/Mikael
If the coupon says "Expires 2009-12-10" would you go into a store at rush hour on december 15th and spend five minutes arguing with the cashier over something that anyone with half a brain cell left knows the cashier can't do anything about? Or how about going to the store without the coupon and saying "but I have the coupon at home" as an argument for why you should be allowed to get the coupon discount even though the cashier isn't allowed to make that call?
/Mikael
I've flown quite a lot and I've also been to a number of air shows and I'm still convinced there were way too many maneuvers pulled by the CGI Hornets in Independence day that would have resulted in crashed or at least stalled planes. Have you seen some of the things those planes in the movie do? Their movement is too cartoonish and "action packed", basically it's Hollywood aerodynamics where suspense and "wow cool!" are way more important than realism.
(When I say "bounce" keep in mind I also described it as "giant invisible rubber bands", that is to say, going downward with the plane facing more forward than downward yet somehow making a neat sine-curve "bounce" up at low speed with the nose still pointing way too much forward for it to simply be explained by "oh well he used the afterburner", unless it was some magic Area 51-style VTOL Hornet it shouldn't have been able to move like that.)
/Mikael
To be honest, this one looked a lot more realistic, just the fact that none of the airplanes/spaceships seemed to be connected to giant invisible rubber bands that made them bounce around in ways that they simply couldn't without falling apart (or out of the sky). If you have no idea what I'm talking about, just watch a few of scenes with F-18 Hornets in Independence Day and notice how they time and time again "bounce" mid-air, it's the kind of thing anyone with a few weeks of experience with 3D animation would try to avoid (which makes me think it was a directorial/managerial decision to make them behave that way).
/Mikael
I wasn't talking about those situations, I was talking about the neighborhood grocery store where they have plenty of change (unlike other stores I've never heard them say they're running low on bills or coins).
Hell, they have special machines for coins so they don't handle the coins manually at all, you the coins in a slot in the machine and when you get change it comes out into a tray.
/Mikael
1) I wasn't complaining about people paying with cash.
2) Once again, I wasn't complaining about people paying with cash but most people I know with insight into the costs of running a store say that transaction fees are less than the costs associated with handling large amounts of cash safely.
3) Most grocery stores don't have much gossip, and if they do it generally isn't five minutes of idle gossip when there's a long line of customers.
4) I wasn't complaining about anyone's ability to count, perhaps you should have read my post before replying?
5) I wasn't complaining about old people being slightly slower than others, I was complaining about those who are so inept at paying for their groceries that it takes them several minutes just to get their credit card/money out and despite this insist on shopping at the times of the day when there are as many customers as possible (and since most of these people are the elderly I doubt they lack the free time to show up an hour or two earlier when the stores are practically abandoned compared to the 16:30 - 17:30 rush of people who remembered they need some milk or whatever and end up stuck behind some little old lady with a full shopping cart doing her weekly grocery shopping).
/Mikael
Ah, but most people who pay with cash are actually quite quick, it's just that you don't notice the 20-something who hands the cashier a 20, takes his change and leaves, what you notice is Abigail, age 79, who thinks she's doing the cashier a favor by paying for her $17.74 worth of groceries in exact change when there's a huge line forming behind her as she tries to remember if she's got any extra pennies. Now with "Abigail" the same problem occurs with credit/debit cards:
And yes, I've been stuck for 5+ minutes behind elderly ladies like the one in my example above, they also tend to do their weekly/monthly shopping run at the local grocery store right around 16-17 in the afternoon, and they always argue with the cashier about their expired coupons (or they argue about how lemons and oranges are practically the same thing so they should get a discount on the lemons with their orange coupon etc). I may not be overly stressed but after spending a total of 10-15 minutes waiting for others to pay for their groceries I'm just about ready to go postal...
/Mikael
I'm not complaining about sudo, I'm just saying that these days it seems the default for a lot of desktop distros is that all users have the right to use sudo (or rather, the GUI-fied versions used by desktop distros) so it's little more than clicking "Yes, I do wish to install malware" when it comes to actual security.
/Mikael
Every since desktop Linux distros started pulling the whole "regular users can use sudo to do anything they want" thing I've felt a lot less secure using them, the root password is so that only root can install stuff, in that sense security is actually heightened compared to the "sudo for everyone and everything" distros. Of course, if the owner of a computer hands out the root password to anyone who asks for it then there is just as little security as with the sudo bunch.
/Mikael
Surely at some point the judge/judges in that small corner of Texas should, if they're not idiots or in league with these trolls, realize that the reason they're getting so many patent lawsuits filed in their jurisdiction is because they're considered to be overly in favor of the people who are suing?
But maybe I'm just living in some sort of dreamworld where judges aren't incompetent or evil..
/Mikael
So, you're saying that he's still infinitely more qualified for the job than GWB ever was? (I'm sorry but while I generally don't trust political leaders who are a bit too great at speaking I must say that I have just as little faith in a nuclear-armed man who is unable to speak before a crowd for more than a minute without coming off as an idiot)
/Mikael
While it may not be price fixing it could very well be that you have n major players in a market who all are clever enough to realize that they could all lower their prices by say, 30% and still turn a profit. When all competitors are aware that any attempts at a price war will just end up with them and their competitors in a deadlock and lowered margins for everyone they're likely not to go that route, they might gain some marginal short-term market share but when the other guys dump their prices that will be lost anyway...
/Mikael
How about you tell me "watch my house and make sure nothing gets stolen, here are the keys" and two days later you show up, so drunk you can barely stand and demand I give you the keys "'cosh ah wanna getsh the cousch an' star' a fire!", would you consider it to be the right thing for me to do to just give you the keys and say "sure, have fun, there's a bottle of lighter fluid under the sink"?
/Mikael
Only if the WYSIWYG tool is capable of doing things right without messing them up, which is the main problem with MS Word btw, the output just ends up being a bit wrong, still good enough that most people who are just printing out office memos don't care or notice but anyone who gives their document a second look (and isn't just looking for typos) will notice that it's not looking right compared to some "professional" documents they've seen in their lives.
Also, if your number one issue is "I don't want to write markup, never never never!" then there's always LyX.
/Mikael
Actually, my experience with LaTeX is that if you look at it as HTML with different keywords and keep some decent documentation nearby (there are several good PDF books available for free online) it is easier to use LaTeX if you want sane printable results than it is to use MS Word or another word processor (hell, the reason I started using LaTeX to begin with was because I got fed up with trying to force word processors to give me decent output).
/Mikael
...to handle writing scientific reports on Linux, and AbiWord wasn't up to the job (Note to trolls: please don't bother with shill posts for TeX/LaTex. I'm sure it's very good, but I've got work to do.)
Excuse me but would you also consider someone who tells a carpenter that a hammer is a much better tool for driving nails than a stapler a troll because you can't be bothered taking three seconds to figure out what end of the hammer to hold?
/Mikael
That's actually the reason the IT and development teams where I work aren't allowed to listen to music using mp3 players, because the "production" staff isn't allowed to (since they need to hear when phones ring and pay attention to various things). Listening to death metal from a burned CD using a boombox is apparently fine though, great set of rules there...
What's even worse is that the devs are seated right next to the helpdesk guys so we constantly get hassled by users with "I can't print my document" issues and they won't even let us have a cube wall between us and the door (the helpdesk guys being seated on the other side of the room right next to the door) because that could be interpreted as us "distancing" ourselves from the rest of the company.
/Mikael
And the officer's story is always "he like totally assaulted me and junk, dude"...
/Mikael
That's why public places like offices and schools are much easier to make maps out of than homes, most homes do tend to be cramped and small compared to the average FPS map.
Personally I'd like to try my hand at making a map of my home town for a squad-based RTS and then play it with other people from around here to see if what part of town you live in would reflect your choices in how you play the map.
/Mikael
Well also consider this. What happens when everyone is either nice and skinny or super ripped? Our human nature is still to be competitive, so there will be plenty of us still striving to be physically better than the guy standing next to you. When does it end?
Another possibility is that when/if it becomes easy for anyone to be healthy and fit it will no longer be a major source of "competition" and people will focus on other factors (although the initial reaction will probably be that some people will take the fitness thing too far in order to outdo everyone else).
Your argument about how children are raised is pretty weak. There was always junk food available in my home growing up, and I turned out fine. My brothers on the other hand are morbidly obese. I chose to ask my parents to let me play ice hockey, and they did. Several players from my team came from the forceful parents who only served healthy food types of homes, and they all turned into fat slobs when they left for college. I know dozens of people who were terribly fat as children, and made the conscious choice to change themselves for the better. It's all about personal choice once you become an adult. Blaming your parents for making you fat once you've passed the age of 25 is complete and utter BS.
No, it's not weak. Research has shown that obese children are a lot more likely to end up as obese adults, and a lot of obese children are obese because of their parents (what five year-old knows enough about nutrition to understand that candy bars are unhealthy if no one tells him/her this?).
And an individual with parents who made him/her stay fit up to age 18 has a "running start" compared to someone who was always "that fat kid", staying fit is a lot easier than becoming fit, so most likely there are lots of fat people out there who are a lot more motivated and try a lot harder to get into shape than you think, especially compared to those who were basically forced to stay super-fit by parents dreaming of their child becoming a world-class athlete.
I suppose I just don't like the idea of fat, lazy people sitting around thinking "Oh I can have another dozen donuts, it's ok, smart scientists will figure out a way to make me skinny." It's like not working because you know you can get welfare from the taxes of the people who do.
The "oh I can just get welfare" attitude is a lot less common than you think, and it's not like most of those with that attitude started out with it, from what I've seen it's something that comes with the 100th or so rejected job application, people just give up and say "fuck it, if no one wants me to work then I'll just sit here and watch TV".
/Mikael
So your argument boils down to "I worked hard and now there's an easy solution, it should be banned to make me feel superior."? I guess your really hate that using a computer no longer requires programming knowledge as well?
Also, what about the kid who grew up with parents who fed him/her shitty fast food every day and by the time he/she was old enough to realize it was the crappy diet turning him/her into a fatty he/she was already at that point where exercise was a lot harder than it would've been for someone who grew up in a family where mommy and daddy made sure they ate only healthy food, where monday, wednesday, friday and weekends were "hockey practice days" or "soccer practice days", where daddy would stand by the side of the rink screaming at them to perform better? How is the latter not an "unfair" advantage compared in regard to physical fitness?
/Mikael
Well, if you can take a drug that means more energy gets converted into muscle instead of fat (and also that more of your body fat is used up in everyday activities) then the increased fitness will probably make it feel like less of a PITA to exercise.
I was a chubby (not fat) kid myself and even though I also had a lot of muscle back in those days (I was tall and had a bit of a (american) football player look to me) I found that compared to when I was in college and practically underweight (ah, the college diet, hard bread, orange juice and the occasional ramen is all you need) with very little body fat exercise was a lot more of a hassle, in college I wasn't lifting all that extra weight so physical activities became a lot more fun (since I could be physically active over longer periods of time instead of just bursts, running n miles at x mph is a lot more fun than running n/4 miles at 2*x mph).
/Mikael
Joking aside, this will most likely not be widely available to "regular people" even if it proves to be practically harmless, if it does end up available to healthy people it will be as a $2,000 per shot "treatment" aimed at the plastic surgery crowd.
This seems to be the faith of every "wonder drug" out there, can't have regular people using something like this cheaply and easily (as in, if it ends up being inexpensive it will instead require three doctors to sign off on you have muscle dystrophy or something like that, if it ends up being expensive then it will be more readily available but only to those who have no problem blowing ten grand on it).
/Mikael
No they don't, really, they don't.
Please stop trolling.
/Mikael