yes, i read that. It is different from the way they presented it through the video. They presented it like a "real" physics system, tied to the material, now we have a bunch of behavior wich are either server side or client side and tied to the object. It doesnt change much my wonderings:
If the gameplay in multiplayer is changed by the "physics" system, it means a lot of it will go in the server side. So we go down to the connection problem. If a lot of it goes into client side, it means it wont affect that much the multiplayer gameplay (since i assume gameplay == important cross-client coherence), it's just eye candy for the client, and therefore it means a not so different gameplay. Do you see what i mean?
What is for sure, in both case it means more work for the modders, since you have to choose server or client side for your objcts, and test everything, etc etc So here we go to the "how will modders team do to cope with all that work" question.
here are a few things that stayed on my mind after watching the 650 megs video, which i found incredible at the moment:
-it will work on a pIII800. ok, this one didnt leave me wondering. I just laughed. I have a pIII600 and the radar map in ennemy territory makes my computer crawls, just because there is a lot of grass. Can you imagine the same on a pIII800 with LOTS of shaders, physics and ai as they showed in the video? That is a joke.
-the physics system: look closely at the video. In the physics part of the video, the melon breaks some time after having been shot. In the gameplay part (with the booby traps), when the player destroys the wooden logs barring a door, they break before he actually hits them. In the same part, look at the huge swinging iron bar, it stays swinging and it's in no way slowed down by hitting things or just by time. It looked like a scripted event in fact. I have some doubts that the explosion which hurls the car is also scripted and not a "physics" event.
-multiplayer aspect of the game: Watching the video made me shivers at the thought of the multiplayer games that can be made. But then, what can of connection can handle this. Look at the "physics" scene, when the barrels come down and the wooden logs are being shot, now imagine 32 players doing the same, throwing fumes and hurling objects at the same time. What can of connection can handle this amount of datas flow? internet2? If we're talking about degrading the size of the data flow, then we're talking about "killing" the physics system, then we come back to the regular old type of game.
-the mod scene: If all i wonder above is in fact true, and they found a way to actually make all this work on a pIII800 and on regular dsl connection. Who is going to be able to actually make mods? Apart from a few really big and very well organised pro-like mod teams? The models look like killers to do. And the map will need a terrible amount of work. Right now, some quake3 maps, which are quite simpler to do in terms of textures or modelling, take one year of work to their authors. Look at the people who did q3f (and some of them did ennemy territory afterwards, if i'm not mistaken), they could do wonders with such an engine. But look at the time between the releases and now imagine that with an engine such as what they showed in the video. Can you say a lot of years between releases? (*cough* team fortress2 *cough* has probably been in development for years and they are the authors of the engine) Or maybe we're talking about mods not using this engine in its entire scope? Which would be a change since mods usually go beyong the engines they are built upon.
about 4, he took it from the article: In terms of the network size, the highest Gnutella2 node capacity I've seen so far is about 200,000 nodes and growing. Node capacity is a bit different to the number of unique users, as the network has a high level of built-in redundancy. That would equate to somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 actual unique users online. that's Shareaza talking here, so that would be Mike Stokes, isnt it? The article isnt very clear as it is, anyway.
The above poster is right on spot. I genuinely dont understand you. As a matter of fact, if you really werent trolling, than your actions actually dont make sense at all to me. As other posters noticed, you're free to leech on mandrake and using their products without giving anything in return, it's one of the beauty of freedom that it can be abused. but THEN, your complaints about mandrake unable to make money don't make sense, since you're part of the problem. On the other hand, you seem to really like the distro. (So the above dont fit with you.) But you would prefer to give your money to... another one!!! And there we go back to the part where you complain about mandrake not able to make money. So I still dont understand the way you deal with such a behavior of yours. If you were just trolling and making fun of a naive lad like I am, fine. I can get over it. But if the free software world is filled with such persons, than mandrake isnt the only one threatened. As for the elitist part, I never think in such ways. I think only good of mandrake, use it, and pay my share when I can. And theres no distro I actually despise right now. And there are quite a few that I might use. Yet I pay for the one I use. Now re-read you first post and you will notice that anyone reading it will deduce from it that you use mandrake and not red hat. I can just as easily use Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, or even *BSD And you were moderated as insightfull!!
I use Mandrake, and I actually like it quite a bit. If I were to pay for anything it'd be RedHat though. tell me you' re a troll, please. Please, don't let me know that people like you actually exists.
The current MandrakeClub options involves paying money in order to support mandrake, a true to free software ideals compagny. THEN, we also might get some services in return like those you ask for, or like those discounts. Personnaly, it's a way to pay them back for those mandrake distros i got from magazine cds or from internet downloads.
They have photos of the flight: of the plane: and of the man itself: yes, he also is santa claus. (there even is groundshaking video footage of this historical event)
You're right. The camera angle make it more rpg like, where you don't really know whats ahead of view and often get surprised by the next troll around the corner.
It also gives sense to stats like listen, or spot.
You didnt listen to him carefully. He wants more realism to do things he cant do in reality (which basically are UNREALISTIC things or he would be doing them). Examples of things: lockpicking a bar at night than getting clubbed to death by the bartender. Oh wait! It's possible! It's just dangerous!
It seems we are witnessing a case of frustration.
Well, ok, you did listen to him carefully.
remove too much of the comfort of one and you've invented hell. Seat on an uncomfortable chair, and you will experience over the years: -uneasyness -pain -back problems -eventually surgery Also, usually most people censor bad smell. If the people in this neighbouhood cant, it's probably more a stench than an unconfortable bad smell. Feelling nauseous all day is cetainly beyond uncomfort.
You're so right. This door thing is for rpg what the boxes are for fps. Why do all those boxes lay there? Why did they put the key to the door in a box on the roof of another house ?
Gladly, my first game as a dm was call of chtulhu from chaosium, which emphasised on this aspect of dming. Don't get by the rule when they arent needed, good old common sense prime.
I think some game designers try too much to have their system to be in control of everything and to guide players in the "RIGHT" directions. So you must have a thief/rogue/whatever in your team, so the lockpicking competence must be attractive, so you must use it to lock pick doors and thats it. That's for the roleplaying experience, you know? Otherwise, you have only warriors and wizards, you know. It seems they cant understand DMs are the one who will make it interresting to have "alternate" classes and that players are smart enough to take those classes for the fun of roleplaying them.
Actually, this is answered in one of the articles. It seems, you just cant market an rpg game if you dont present it to the producers as ACTION/adventure/rpg. Think (but not too much, it's a dull game) diablo.
I did buy one of those "the 2 tower" bootleg tape. Well, inside there was this ridiculous techno kung fu movie. I didnt watch it till the end so ridiculous it was. The white guy, the chick and the black bad ass were ridiculous in their latex outfits, wearing sunglasses in obscure scenes of insane stunts. The only thing in common with the lotr movie was the big 2 in the title.
(you need to be mr aol to do this one) 1/ dont have the next millions of cds made. 2/ dont send them to anyone. 3/ give the saved money to a charity 4/ make some kind of announcement where you say that in one shot you (1)reduced pollution, (2)realized you were bothering people with useless marketing, (3)did something usefull with that otherwise wasted money. 5/ have a merry christmas once in your lifetime.
There is a pdf file to download on your site but: The PDF isn't the accessible kind. Apart from ineffectual text equivalents for each page image, there is no way to make it thus. Further, as a Macintosh user, I cannot add alternate texts using Adobe accessibility tools; all the relevant ones run on Windows only. Is adobe grip on the market so big that you just couldnt find an alternative ? Or was it just not worth to bother since no one would have downloaded it (which is kind of the same, when I think of it) ? What features a cross platform alternative to pdf should have from accessibility standpoint?
It seems there is a little more there than pr, but i'm no specialist in hardware. Here what i read in a french news site speaking of the same subject:
From: Roman Stepanov
Subject: [Dri-devel] Re: New ATI FireGL drivers announced
To: Alexander Stohr
Cc: dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:02:31 +0300
Hi, Alexander!
[ snip ]
At first I attempted to set up SuSE's xfglrx package to get 3D acceleration
for my Gigabyte AP64D board (actually it is a R200 QL with 64 Mb DDR RAM).
After generating XF86Config and typing startx in command prompt X server
failed to start. I found in system logs that 2D driver refused to
work with third party boards. It's nearly impossible to buy "build by ATI"
board in Moscow, so I was forced to apply my assembly skills to modify board
vendor id in 2D driver (fglrx_drv.o). After replacing ATI's id (0x1002) with
Gigabyte (0x1458) I was able to start XFree but I saw my text consoles
(vga=791) broken. Next thing I've tried is to start Tux Racer game. After 2
minutes of pretty smooth gameplay it hung and my box locked up completely.
I decided it's enough to uninstall this package and I started to look around
for any alternative driver. I've downloaded official ATI driver version
2.4.0 and tried to install it. After install script built kernel drm modules
installation stopped because depmod complained about unresolved symbols in
module fglrx.o That was my last attempt to use official ATI drivers:(
Now I have installed driver from dri trunk, it works pretty well, but I have
very slow gameplay with Loki's Rune. Maybe today I will try to install
official ATI driver again, this time version 2.4.3. I hope it finally going
to work.
******** FIN du premier mail ********
Reponse:
From: Alexander Stohr
Subject: RE: [Dri-devel] Re: New ATI FireGL drivers announced
To: Roman Stepanov
Cc: dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:43:31 +0100
[snip]
for completeness its: R200/RV250/R300/some-Mobility
[snip les quotes qui parle du drivers qui se lance pas]
That's Intentional. On the list you can find several references to
problems with the multiple OEM BIOS variants even with the DRI drivers.
Since this must be considered as third party software and hardware,
you should consider calling the respective vendor for support.
(Having a broken BIOS checksum is the least problem in that area...)
[snip quotes qui parlent du changement du code hexa]
This might be a BIOS problem. Current drivers are using the
XFre86 Int10 module for doing mode switches. Thanks for another
reason for not letting that drivers run on third party boards.
[snip]
Stability of a specifc grafics board is mainly due to its
clock rate, its RAM bus interface clock an signal quality
plus misc power supply parameters (mainboard abilities to
drive that board, PCB design to ensure the voltage does not
drop critical in any operation thermal and electrical condtion).
I know that ATI is ensuring this for the "Built by ATI" boards
with much effort, but i have no idea how intense those third
party vendors do that. The second unknown thing is your hosting
PC system. You should verify it with a secondary operating system.
[snip]
> Now I have installed driver from dri trunk, it works pretty
> well, but I have very slow gameplay with Loki's Rune.
Thats the best and only drivers that should use for your adapter.
> Maybe today I will try to install official ATI driver again,
> this time version 2.4.3. I hope it finally going to work.
What you were doing is "unsupported" and "not recommended".
This is meaning that it is on your own risk if you do it.
Maybe there are legal reasons why you shouldn't be allowed
to do that, but i dont know this myselves.
You can already do it in kde3. The only difference between his layout and a customized kde3 is the look of his task bar (rounded edges and pixmaps). Right now you can add more than one kicker, taskbar and kasbar on your desktop (right click on kicker -> add -> extension). You can also choose where to display them (bottom, up, right and left side) and how (center, left or right) and their size (to the pixel) and the size of the icons. My present layout is done in a way which respects most of his ideas since it came from my everyday needs. ( you could have many extension on top of each other for the double sized quick launch but it looks broken in kde3.1. Because they add this center, left and right thing?)
;) ok post your name address and telephone number and I will send them to you. I'd like to know how I could be a pr stooge from riaa or redmond by forging such a story? It's not in the usa, by the way. I wish there is such shops over there though.
PROS Service: there's a real nice looking girl and she knows a great deal about music. Prices: It's much cheaper than your service as I can find whole CDs between 1 and 3 euros. Yes, they are used, but it's because the shop re-buy from its customers. They are as perfect as new ones. You can buy new CDs at regular price also. People are not doing it to rip them since the shop existed before cd writers. CDs: I'm not limited to one company, as a matter of facts I'm not limited at all since they sell all kind of music from all kind of compagnies from all countries. Choice: There's another shop just the same 30 meters away. Only there isnt a nice looking girl there. CONS: half an hour of subway.
I'd like their games available for anyone but I wouldnt wish their hardware to disappear, as much as i hated to see the dreamcast go away. The dreamcast was the best(and still is) of its generation. And the gamecube is a much more impressive piece of technology than the ps2 or (haha!) the xbox. Tell me about components integration! But that's not the point. The point is: "a monopoly is a bad thing. period"
Slashdot Mirror
It's going to be a surprise to you but Chirac is a conservative.
yes, i read that.
It is different from the way they presented it through the video. They presented it like a "real" physics system, tied to the material, now we have a bunch of behavior wich are either server side or client side and tied to the object.
It doesnt change much my wonderings:
If the gameplay in multiplayer is changed by the "physics" system, it means a lot of it will go in the server side. So we go down to the connection problem.
If a lot of it goes into client side, it means it wont affect that much the multiplayer gameplay (since i assume gameplay == important cross-client coherence), it's just eye candy for the client, and therefore it means a not so different gameplay.
Do you see what i mean?
What is for sure, in both case it means more work for the modders, since you have to choose server or client side for your objcts, and test everything, etc etc
So here we go to the "how will modders team do to cope with all that work" question.
here are a few things that stayed on my mind after watching the 650 megs video, which i found incredible at the moment:
-it will work on a pIII800.
ok, this one didnt leave me wondering. I just laughed. I have a pIII600 and the radar map in ennemy territory makes my computer crawls, just because there is a lot of grass. Can you imagine the same on a pIII800 with LOTS of shaders, physics and ai as they showed in the video? That is a joke.
-the physics system:
look closely at the video.
In the physics part of the video, the melon breaks some time after having been shot.
In the gameplay part (with the booby traps), when the player destroys the wooden logs barring a door, they break before he actually hits them.
In the same part, look at the huge swinging iron bar, it stays swinging and it's in no way slowed down by hitting things or just by time. It looked like a scripted event in fact.
I have some doubts that the explosion which hurls the car is also scripted and not a "physics" event.
-multiplayer aspect of the game:
Watching the video made me shivers at the thought of the multiplayer games that can be made. But then, what can of connection can handle this.
Look at the "physics" scene, when the barrels come down and the wooden logs are being shot, now imagine 32 players doing the same, throwing fumes and hurling objects at the same time. What can of connection can handle this amount of datas flow? internet2?
If we're talking about degrading the size of the data flow, then we're talking about "killing" the physics system, then we come back to the regular old type of game.
-the mod scene:
If all i wonder above is in fact true, and they found a way to actually make all this work on a pIII800 and on regular dsl connection. Who is going to be able to actually make mods? Apart from a few really big and very well organised pro-like mod teams?
The models look like killers to do. And the map will need a terrible amount of work. Right now, some quake3 maps, which are quite simpler to do in terms of textures or modelling, take one year of work to their authors.
Look at the people who did q3f (and some of them did ennemy territory afterwards, if i'm not mistaken), they could do wonders with such an engine. But look at the time between the releases and now imagine that with an engine such as what they showed in the video. Can you say a lot of years between releases?
(*cough* team fortress2 *cough* has probably been in development for years and they are the authors of the engine)
Or maybe we're talking about mods not using this engine in its entire scope? Which would be a change since mods usually go beyong the engines they are built upon.
about 4, he took it from the article:
In terms of the network size, the highest Gnutella2 node capacity I've seen so far is about 200,000 nodes and growing. Node capacity is a bit different to the number of unique users, as the network has a high level of built-in redundancy. That would equate to somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 actual unique users online.
that's Shareaza talking here, so that would be Mike Stokes, isnt it?
The article isnt very clear as it is, anyway.
The above poster is right on spot. ... another one!!! And there we go back to the part where you complain about mandrake not able to make money.
I genuinely dont understand you. As a matter of fact, if you really werent trolling, than your actions actually dont make sense at all to me.
As other posters noticed, you're free to leech on mandrake and using their products without giving anything in return, it's one of the beauty of freedom that it can be abused. but THEN, your complaints about mandrake unable to make money don't make sense, since you're part of the problem.
On the other hand, you seem to really like the distro. (So the above dont fit with you.) But you would prefer to give your money to
So I still dont understand the way you deal with such a behavior of yours. If you were just trolling and making fun of a naive lad like I am, fine. I can get over it.
But if the free software world is filled with such persons, than mandrake isnt the only one threatened.
As for the elitist part, I never think in such ways. I think only good of mandrake, use it, and pay my share when I can. And theres no distro I actually despise right now. And there are quite a few that I might use. Yet I pay for the one I use.
Now re-read you first post and you will notice that anyone reading it will deduce from it that you use mandrake and not red hat.
I can just as easily use Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, or even *BSD
And you were moderated as insightfull!!
I use Mandrake, and I actually like it quite a bit. If I were to pay for anything it'd be RedHat though.
tell me you' re a troll, please. Please, don't let me know that people like you actually exists.
The current MandrakeClub options involves paying money in order to support mandrake, a true to free software ideals compagny.
THEN, we also might get some services in return like those you ask for, or like those discounts.
Personnaly, it's a way to pay them back for those mandrake distros i got from magazine cds or from internet downloads.
They have photos of the flight:
of the plane:
and of the man itself:
yes, he also is santa claus.
(there even is groundshaking video footage of this historical event)
You're right.
The camera angle make it more rpg like, where you don't really know whats ahead of view and often get surprised by the next troll around the corner.
It also gives sense to stats like listen, or spot.
This is in contradiction with the nwn famous (and infamous) eula. And probably with the licenses of other games the mods are made off.
Soon on El Stupido channel:
Better than catfights in the mud, lawyers fight throughout the universe in all forms of mud !!!
The Italians are the lovers ...
if you can stand men who cry "mama!" during climax
You didnt listen to him carefully.
He wants more realism to do things he cant do in reality (which basically are UNREALISTIC things or he would be doing them).
Examples of things:
lockpicking a bar at night than getting clubbed to death by the bartender.
Oh wait! It's possible! It's just dangerous!
It seems we are witnessing a case of frustration.
Well, ok, you did listen to him carefully.
remove too much of the comfort of one and you've invented hell.
Seat on an uncomfortable chair, and you will experience over the years:
-uneasyness
-pain
-back problems
-eventually surgery
Also, usually most people censor bad smell. If the people in this neighbouhood cant, it's probably more a stench than an unconfortable bad smell.
Feelling nauseous all day is cetainly beyond uncomfort.
You're so right.
This door thing is for rpg what the boxes are for fps. Why do all those boxes lay there? Why did they put the key to the door in a box on the roof of another house ?
Gladly, my first game as a dm was call of chtulhu from chaosium, which emphasised on this aspect of dming.
Don't get by the rule when they arent needed, good old common sense prime.
I think some game designers try too much to have their system to be in control of everything and to guide players in the "RIGHT" directions.
So you must have a thief/rogue/whatever in your team, so the lockpicking competence must be attractive, so you must use it to lock pick doors and thats it.
That's for the roleplaying experience, you know? Otherwise, you have only warriors and wizards, you know.
It seems they cant understand DMs are the one who will make it interresting to have "alternate" classes and that players are smart enough to take those classes for the fun of roleplaying them.
Actually, this is answered in one of the articles. It seems, you just cant market an rpg game if you dont present it to the producers as ACTION/adventure/rpg.
Think (but not too much, it's a dull game) diablo.
Just wait till you find out a picture of kkk men, and you will be even more confused.
I did buy one of those "the 2 tower" bootleg tape.
Well, inside there was this ridiculous techno kung fu movie.
I didnt watch it till the end so ridiculous it was. The white guy, the chick and the black bad ass were ridiculous in their latex outfits, wearing sunglasses in obscure scenes of insane stunts.
The only thing in common with the lotr movie was the big 2 in the title.
(you need to be mr aol to do this one)
1/ dont have the next millions of cds made.
2/ dont send them to anyone.
3/ give the saved money to a charity
4/ make some kind of announcement where you say that in one shot you (1)reduced pollution, (2)realized you were bothering people with useless marketing, (3)did something usefull with that otherwise wasted money.
5/ have a merry christmas once in your lifetime.
There's a third way:
whatever you think of and whatever you try to reach, when you go to the store there's only one brand of battery.
That is what redmond taps into for long time.
There is a pdf file to download on your site but :
The PDF isn't the accessible kind. Apart from ineffectual text equivalents for each page image, there is no way to make it thus. Further, as a Macintosh user, I cannot add alternate texts using Adobe accessibility tools; all the relevant ones run on Windows only.
Is adobe grip on the market so big that you just couldnt find an alternative ? Or was it just not worth to bother since no one would have downloaded it (which is kind of the same, when I think of it) ?
What features a cross platform alternative to pdf should have from accessibility standpoint?
It seems there is a little more there than pr, but i'm no specialist in hardware. Here what i read in a french news site speaking of the same subject:
:(
From: Roman Stepanov
Subject: [Dri-devel] Re: New ATI FireGL drivers announced
To: Alexander Stohr
Cc: dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:02:31 +0300
Hi, Alexander!
[ snip ]
At first I attempted to set up SuSE's xfglrx package to get 3D acceleration
for my Gigabyte AP64D board (actually it is a R200 QL with 64 Mb DDR RAM).
After generating XF86Config and typing startx in command prompt X server
failed to start. I found in system logs that 2D driver refused to
work with third party boards. It's nearly impossible to buy "build by ATI"
board in Moscow, so I was forced to apply my assembly skills to modify board
vendor id in 2D driver (fglrx_drv.o). After replacing ATI's id (0x1002) with
Gigabyte (0x1458) I was able to start XFree but I saw my text consoles
(vga=791) broken. Next thing I've tried is to start Tux Racer game. After 2
minutes of pretty smooth gameplay it hung and my box locked up completely.
I decided it's enough to uninstall this package and I started to look around
for any alternative driver. I've downloaded official ATI driver version
2.4.0 and tried to install it. After install script built kernel drm modules
installation stopped because depmod complained about unresolved symbols in
module fglrx.o That was my last attempt to use official ATI drivers
Now I have installed driver from dri trunk, it works pretty well, but I have
very slow gameplay with Loki's Rune. Maybe today I will try to install
official ATI driver again, this time version 2.4.3. I hope it finally going
to work.
******** FIN du premier mail ********
Reponse:
From: Alexander Stohr
Subject: RE: [Dri-devel] Re: New ATI FireGL drivers announced
To: Roman Stepanov
Cc: dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:43:31 +0100
[snip]
for completeness its: R200/RV250/R300/some-Mobility
[snip les quotes qui parle du drivers qui se lance pas]
That's Intentional. On the list you can find several references to
problems with the multiple OEM BIOS variants even with the DRI drivers.
Since this must be considered as third party software and hardware,
you should consider calling the respective vendor for support.
(Having a broken BIOS checksum is the least problem in that area...)
[snip quotes qui parlent du changement du code hexa]
This might be a BIOS problem. Current drivers are using the
XFre86 Int10 module for doing mode switches. Thanks for another
reason for not letting that drivers run on third party boards.
[snip]
Stability of a specifc grafics board is mainly due to its
clock rate, its RAM bus interface clock an signal quality
plus misc power supply parameters (mainboard abilities to
drive that board, PCB design to ensure the voltage does not
drop critical in any operation thermal and electrical condtion).
I know that ATI is ensuring this for the "Built by ATI" boards
with much effort, but i have no idea how intense those third
party vendors do that. The second unknown thing is your hosting
PC system. You should verify it with a secondary operating system.
[snip]
> Now I have installed driver from dri trunk, it works pretty
> well, but I have very slow gameplay with Loki's Rune.
Thats the best and only drivers that should use for your adapter.
> Maybe today I will try to install official ATI driver again,
> this time version 2.4.3. I hope it finally going to work.
What you were doing is "unsupported" and "not recommended".
This is meaning that it is on your own risk if you do it.
Maybe there are legal reasons why you shouldn't be allowed
to do that, but i dont know this myselves.
-Alex.
You can already do it in kde3.
The only difference between his layout and a customized kde3 is the look of his task bar (rounded edges and pixmaps).
Right now you can add more than one kicker, taskbar and kasbar on your desktop (right click on kicker -> add -> extension).
You can also choose where to display them (bottom, up, right and left side) and how (center, left or right) and their size (to the pixel) and the size of the icons.
My present layout is done in a way which respects most of his ideas since it came from my everyday needs.
( you could have many extension on top of each other for the double sized quick launch but it looks broken in kde3.1. Because they add this center, left and right thing?)
;)
ok
post your name address and telephone number and I will send them to you.
I'd like to know how I could be a pr stooge from riaa or redmond by forging such a story?
It's not in the usa, by the way. I wish there is such shops over there though.
PROS
Service:
there's a real nice looking girl and she knows a great deal about music.
Prices:
It's much cheaper than your service as I can find whole CDs between 1 and 3 euros. Yes, they are used, but it's because the shop re-buy from its customers. They are as perfect as new ones. You can buy new CDs at regular price also. People are not doing it to rip them since the shop existed before cd writers.
CDs:
I'm not limited to one company, as a matter of facts I'm not limited at all since they sell all kind of music from all kind of compagnies from all countries.
Choice:
There's another shop just the same 30 meters away. Only there isnt a nice looking girl there.
CONS:
half an hour of subway.
I'd like their games available for anyone but I wouldnt wish their hardware to disappear, as much as i hated to see the dreamcast go away.
The dreamcast was the best(and still is) of its generation.
And the gamecube is a much more impressive piece of technology than the ps2 or (haha!) the xbox.
Tell me about components integration!
But that's not the point. The point is: "a monopoly is a bad thing. period"