I was asking the question, because I know there are people who do this, contrary to your standpoint. Also, I'm asking the question, because of the article, which kinda say that halo was particularly pirated. I was kinda trying to figure out why this game was more a target than an other. If you look at a linux company like lgp, they do have a faithfull bunch of followers. But look at transgaming, they get a volley of bad press on linux game sites every time they are being mentioned, and others makes certains that every winex released is immediatly available on the p2p networks. Yes, succes can account to a part of it. Yes, many just pirate games like they always do, but the halo situation in the article looked grimmer.
Could the fact that some of the cash would go to microsoft and that they are responsible for some annoyences to the mac community matter (like the whole halo affair you talk about)? I know that I would never cash not even one dollar for anyone that could give just one percent of it to microsoft, seing how they are ruthless and brutal with my platform (linux). Couldnt the same behavior just have happened with mac users?
MIPI obtained an Anton Pilar order - which allows a copyright holder to enter a premises to search for and seize material that breaches copyright without alerting the target through court proceedings OMG! I can't believe such things exist! I bet it gives them more rights than the police have! And how can they determine that the said material breaches copyright without court proceedings? "this is mine! and that! and that! uh, a powerbook! definitively breaching my copyrights, aint it? Oh nice wife, mate! I bet she breaches a lot, seized!..." And wait until the mob enter some police headquarter to seize copyrighted material. "Hi, john! How are the kids, sorry for the intrusion, nothing personal, just business, now, where's da stuff..."
It depends (the article is very vague about this) if they did taylor their software to meet a demand which was to get help to suppress human rights or if their software as they are are used in such a way. There is a boundary between those 2 behavior wich is exactly the frontier between good and evil and which is NOT neutrality.
Heh, the theme you linked to prove your point was only uploaded today....So popularity is nowhere close to indicating the most number of downloads.
You're right.
GNOME users are not some homogeneous group. (Are the other desktop's users?) We come from Mac9, MacX, Win95, WinXP, KDE, Solaris, the command line, and others.
Are you talking about users or developpers? I was explicitly referring to users and implicitly excluding developpers by the reference to steve ballmer's "developpers!..." They are nowhere close in terms of computer's behavior.
So to define your "one interface" is perhaps not as simple as you seem to think it is.
If uou understand that I'm referring to users, and that most of those are USING windows right now, that one interface is not difficult to define. Yes, I was talking of the windows one, of course since it's where the users are and where the first experince to computers of most are done nowadays.
Half of the real question about the quality of a desktop environment is how well it works for someone who has never used a computer before.
Yes, absolutly right from a theorical point of vue and if you want to talk about usability and such theories but unconnected to the reality of users.
But if you want to stay pragmatic, the answer is more interresting and it is "terrible" whatever desktop you're using.
Have you looked at a pc keyboard from a "fresh user" point of vue?
And the vocabulary:
"press escape!"
"what?"
"click on the icones in the windows"
"where?"
"on your screen"
"the computer?"
"right click it to bring the contextual menu"
"help! help! help! I'm being repressed!"
In that perspective, the default position of the ok button just doesnt matter. Whatever desktop behavior will do, they have more difficult things to cope with.
(The other half being for someone who has.)
The other "half" being 90 percent of the people likely to use a linux desktop, and 90 percent of those being USED to windows.
My opinon is this one: both kde and gnome desktop can be customised. They both can be customised to imitate the habits most users have taken. This should be made the default for "new but windows spoiled" users first experience, and information should be made available for them to change those settings into something that might appeal to their experience of the desktop, afterwards.
To enforce ONE behavior to those users is making their day by day discovery of the linux desktop a pita since they can't start by what they are used to.
What usability is that that take for granted that people don't know computers or that windows is not the main known interface?
That's a developper's dream.
For many of us, the Windows interface is not ideal.
and art.gnome.org hosts tons of widget
And there you find that the most download theme is eXperience.
http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/index.php?sor t_by=popularity&thumbnails_per_page=24
gnome developpers need some monkey to shout to them "users! users! users!".
Users are used to one interface and NEED to find it when they use their computer, before they switch the interface, if ever. Most USERS i know Dont want to switch interfaces, whether they are on windows or on one of the 2 desktop environment.
For the same reason, they NEED the OK button to be on the place they are used to it, but no, some usability expert said since people read from left to right, we must change that, and then USERS switch to kde, because they find it more userfriendly because it respects their habits.
Users are all habits, unless your target is users who doesnt know computers yet. DOnt respect that, and you're pissing against the wind.
already done and it's no conspiracy, it's about un-sane technical choices: On mac, ie is not tied to the os. Now, If you want to know why they tied the browser to the os, there you can have a few conspiracy comments, but it's no theory: it was documented in some trial you might remember.
I think the situation is even worse than that: they tied the browser to the os and now they cant fix the browser without breaking everything that is tied to it. And that means all software, not only redmond's, that is based upon those components. Therefore, they can't apply one patch without tons of tests and that means time. So for a quick fix, they can't do anything but nerf the feature. But don't worry, with.net and longhorn, things will get integrated even thighter into the os. Welcome to.netmare.
Meanwhile, having source code available and system and apps clearly separated under linux, it's just a matter of recompiling, fixing the eventual bug in the third party apps, and then the users just have to: urpmi apt get yum emerge download the bunch of tgz whatever their preference is, and everithing is upgraded at once.
Which reminds me of this work of this guy from cambridge who kinda proved that free software and proprietary's are equally secure bug wise, because after a certain amount of bugs, it takes the same time to find the next one. I bet he didnt include the bug fixing time in his equation. If you find the next bug at the same time but cant fix it for one month or are obliged to kill the features, because you can introduce new bugs outside your scope, I wouldnt say they are equally secure bug fixing wise..
Not one of those customizations of the xp desktop, but a new way to think the interactions between apps, files, devices and actions. The gui sucks right now, but the concept is interresting and refreshing. segusoland
Hi, i'm the guy who always got beaten up trying to protect the fat kid from being beaten up. If I was a member, I would invite you. Of course, I'm not. It hurts too.
Ridiculous. First, the last thing you want when you are in an underground movement is to lead the forces fighting you to the rest of your group. Second, whats for sure is that INNOCENT people are in a state of schock when confronted to such a deployment of force. It is a traumatic experience. No surprise that he behaves "strangely" afterwards.
I know for sure that i think that I would note everything they take. And i know for sure that I really don't know how I would REALLY behave through such an event. But yes, i would gladly talk to someone uninvolved about this if I could. To have a reality check.
On the contrary, there are 2 ways to know a console exists through penny arcade: -when tycho and gabe make fun of a console. Here, it might exists. -when tycho and gabe stop making fun of the console right after some advertisements for it appear on their site. Here, you know, it's for real.
Nope, -searches for microsoft is evil and microsoft is good produce such results. BUT -searches for "microsoft is evil" and "microsoft is good" produce a different result: 2070 and 1020 respectively, showing that: 1/ microsoft IS evil. 2/ good prevails over evil on the internet.
I won't reduce myself to shlopping all my files into "Documents" when I already have a perfectly good home directory that I can access very quickly already
Not quite.
(I'm talking kde file selector and left panel there) ok, your home is your place to store your files, so you start by deleting this Document icone, useless. The Home icon will do.
But since you're so organised, you have directories and directories inside directories where you put stuff. So you put entries for them to be accessed directly, whenever you save anything wherever you are. Which IS THE POINT actually, not to organise well or wrong your desktop, but to have people who don't use shells to access different locations easily.
Wait, it's not finished. I can use konqueror kio slaves. I create an entry and at the url i type:
fish://my_login@this_other_machine/the/path/I/want/
et voila! I now have an entry for my organised user who don't want to use ssh or rsync to transfert files for his machine to his other account on an other machine. He is on any kde application and he wants to save, he can directly over there.
And there are kio slaves for other uses, samba, devices, whatever...
It's probably a coincidence that when i hit gamespy.com right after reading your post, i see a big ad for the ngage on their front page? Yes, it's most probably their good heart that make them pity the ngage. It's just funny they didnt have one when they bashed it.
I agree 100% with you but there is one area where technology matters, it's when it mixes with gameplay. Add 3D to graphics or tcp/ip to personal computers and you get new types of gameplay. Now, the nice 3d of quake3 doesnt give much new to the genre. But, this new shadow engine could give one interresting gameplay: to play in almost dark places. Think multiplayer "Thief". I'd like to try that. On the other hand, it will be a new nice way to get blind too.
indeed. I havent tried the second one yet (doesnt work under linux), but the first one was really great. At least the first missions as marine were terribly scarry. Then it gets more on the "regular" fps side. Brown trouser time you bet! I played the first mission with the fingers clutched on fire and screaming everytime anything was popping out. Then I left the game for the rest of the day. Some friend made fun of me and I made him tried the game. It was a delight to watch him scream and add some insightfull(+1) comments about his courage.
Because the pleasure i discovered with doom was not it's frantic action. This existed already with many old arcade games. I don't expect frantic multiplayer action either, because i have plenty of that available already. What really differenciated doom was the intense fear i felt when I had to turn a corner and was hearing those breathing sounds. Then multiplayer was brought to the games. Now, i expect doom3 to bring that creepy feeling into multiplayer games and i believe "no splash damage" are the right guys to do it. Gimme multiplayer in the dark baby!
It looks like you pressed [o]. Are you a french language user? [y/n][o/n]
It looks like Monad (c)(tm)(iya) is configured for qwerty keyboards. Should I configure it for azerty? [o/n]
It looks like the azerty configuration messed up a little a few applications configurations. Should I adjust their configurations? [o/n]
It looks like the adjustments break a little the Windows(c)(tm)(iya) Registry? Should I replace it with the saved BackUp Registry? [o/n]
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The most famous hacker in their original team was probably Paul Allen.
I was asking the question, because I know there are people who do this, contrary to your standpoint.
Also, I'm asking the question, because of the article, which kinda say that halo was particularly pirated. I was kinda trying to figure out why this game was more a target than an other.
If you look at a linux company like lgp, they do have a faithfull bunch of followers. But look at transgaming, they get a volley of bad press on linux game sites every time they are being mentioned, and others makes certains that every winex released is immediatly available on the p2p networks.
Yes, succes can account to a part of it. Yes, many just pirate games like they always do, but the halo situation in the article looked grimmer.
Could the fact that some of the cash would go to microsoft and that they are responsible for some annoyences to the mac community matter (like the whole halo affair you talk about)?
I know that I would never cash not even one dollar for anyone that could give just one percent of it to microsoft, seing how they are ruthless and brutal with my platform (linux). Couldnt the same behavior just have happened with mac users?
MIPI obtained an Anton Pilar order - which allows a copyright holder to enter a premises to search for and seize material that breaches copyright without alerting the target through court proceedings ..." ..."
OMG! I can't believe such things exist!
I bet it gives them more rights than the police have!
And how can they determine that the said material breaches copyright without court proceedings?
"this is mine! and that! and that! uh, a powerbook! definitively breaching my copyrights, aint it? Oh nice wife, mate! I bet she breaches a lot, seized!
And wait until the mob enter some police headquarter to seize copyrighted material.
"Hi, john! How are the kids, sorry for the intrusion, nothing personal, just business, now, where's da stuff
There will be a market for chipset-free goods.
It depends (the article is very vague about this) if they did taylor their software to meet a demand which was to get help to suppress human rights or if their software as they are are used in such a way.
There is a boundary between those 2 behavior wich is exactly the frontier between good and evil and which is NOT neutrality.
Heh, the theme you linked to prove your point was only uploaded today....So popularity is nowhere close to indicating the most number of downloads.
..." They are nowhere close in terms of computer's behavior.
You're right.
GNOME users are not some homogeneous group. (Are the other desktop's users?) We come from Mac9, MacX, Win95, WinXP, KDE, Solaris, the command line, and others.
Are you talking about users or developpers? I was explicitly referring to users and implicitly excluding developpers by the reference to steve ballmer's "developpers!
So to define your "one interface" is perhaps not as simple as you seem to think it is.
If uou understand that I'm referring to users, and that most of those are USING windows right now, that one interface is not difficult to define. Yes, I was talking of the windows one, of course since it's where the users are and where the first experince to computers of most are done nowadays.
Half of the real question about the quality of a desktop environment is how well it works for someone who has never used a computer before.
Yes, absolutly right from a theorical point of vue and if you want to talk about usability and such theories but unconnected to the reality of users.
But if you want to stay pragmatic, the answer is more interresting and it is "terrible" whatever desktop you're using.
Have you looked at a pc keyboard from a "fresh user" point of vue?
And the vocabulary:
"press escape!"
"what?"
"click on the icones in the windows"
"where?"
"on your screen"
"the computer?"
"right click it to bring the contextual menu"
"help! help! help! I'm being repressed!"
In that perspective, the default position of the ok button just doesnt matter. Whatever desktop behavior will do, they have more difficult things to cope with.
(The other half being for someone who has.)
The other "half" being 90 percent of the people likely to use a linux desktop, and 90 percent of those being USED to windows.
My opinon is this one: both kde and gnome desktop can be customised. They both can be customised to imitate the habits most users have taken. This should be made the default for "new but windows spoiled" users first experience, and information should be made available for them to change those settings into something that might appeal to their experience of the desktop, afterwards.
To enforce ONE behavior to those users is making their day by day discovery of the linux desktop a pita since they can't start by what they are used to.
What usability is that that take for granted that people don't know computers or that windows is not the main known interface?
That's a developper's dream.
For many of us, the Windows interface is not ideal.r t_by=popularity&thumbnails_per_page=24
and
art.gnome.org hosts tons of widget
And there you find that the most download theme is eXperience.
http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/index.php?so
gnome developpers need some monkey to shout to them "users! users! users!".
Users are used to one interface and NEED to find it when they use their computer, before they switch the interface, if ever. Most USERS i know Dont want to switch interfaces, whether they are on windows or on one of the 2 desktop environment.
For the same reason, they NEED the OK button to be on the place they are used to it, but no, some usability expert said since people read from left to right, we must change that, and then USERS switch to kde, because they find it more userfriendly because it respects their habits.
Users are all habits, unless your target is users who doesnt know computers yet. DOnt respect that, and you're pissing against the wind.
"Never sit with your back to a lobbyist for proprietary software."
I don't get it.
Is it some kind of ximian-mono/redmond-# joke?
Add your consipiracy theory here.
already done and it's no conspiracy, it's about un-sane technical choices:
On mac, ie is not tied to the os.
Now, If you want to know why they tied the browser to the os, there you can have a few conspiracy comments, but it's no theory: it was documented in some trial you might remember.
I think the situation is even worse than that: .net and longhorn, things will get integrated even thighter into the os. Welcome to .netmare.
they tied the browser to the os and now they cant fix the browser without breaking everything that is tied to it. And that means all software, not only redmond's, that is based upon those components.
Therefore, they can't apply one patch without tons of tests and that means time. So for a quick fix, they can't do anything but nerf the feature.
But don't worry, with
Meanwhile, having source code available and system and apps clearly separated under linux, it's just a matter of recompiling, fixing the eventual bug in the third party apps, and then the users just have to:
urpmi
apt get
yum
emerge
download the bunch of tgz
whatever their preference is, and everithing is upgraded at once.
Which reminds me of this work of this guy from cambridge who kinda proved that free software and proprietary's are equally secure bug wise, because after a certain amount of bugs, it takes the same time to find the next one. I bet he didnt include the bug fixing time in his equation. If you find the next bug at the same time but cant fix it for one month or are obliged to kill the features, because you can introduce new bugs outside your scope, I wouldnt say they are equally secure bug fixing wise..
Not one of those customizations of the xp desktop, but a new way to think the interactions between apps, files, devices and actions.
The gui sucks right now, but the concept is interresting and refreshing.
segusoland
Hi, i'm the guy who always got beaten up trying to protect the fat kid from being beaten up.
If I was a member, I would invite you. Of course, I'm not.
It hurts too.
The cmos reset button gave me ideas for an other kind of jokes.
Ridiculous.
First, the last thing you want when you are in an underground movement is to lead the forces fighting you to the rest of your group.
Second, whats for sure is that INNOCENT people are in a state of schock when confronted to such a deployment of force. It is a traumatic experience. No surprise that he behaves "strangely" afterwards.
I know for sure that i think that I would note everything they take. And i know for sure that I really don't know how I would REALLY behave through such an event.
But yes, i would gladly talk to someone uninvolved about this if I could. To have a reality check.
Please change professions ASAP or read Designing With Web Standards [zeldman.com]
Interresting read, but is he color blind?
On the contrary, there are 2 ways to know a console exists through penny arcade:
-when tycho and gabe make fun of a console.
Here, it might exists.
-when tycho and gabe stop making fun of the console right after some advertisements for it appear on their site.
Here, you know, it's for real.
Nope,
-searches for
microsoft is evil
and
microsoft is good
produce such results.
BUT
-searches for
"microsoft is evil"
and
"microsoft is good"
produce a different result:
2070 and 1020 respectively, showing that:
1/ microsoft IS evil.
2/ good prevails over evil on the internet.
I won't reduce myself to shlopping all my files into "Documents" when I already have a perfectly good home directory that I can access very quickly alreadyt /
Not quite.
(I'm talking kde file selector and left panel there) ok, your home is your place to store your files, so you start by deleting this Document icone, useless. The Home icon will do.
But since you're so organised, you have directories and directories inside directories where you put stuff. So you put entries for them to be accessed directly, whenever you save anything wherever you are. Which IS THE POINT actually, not to organise well or wrong your desktop, but to have people who don't use shells to access different locations easily.
Wait, it's not finished. I can use konqueror kio slaves. I create an entry and at the url i type:
fish://my_login@this_other_machine/the/path/I/wan
et voila! I now have an entry for my organised user who don't want to use ssh or rsync to transfert files for his machine to his other account on an other machine. He is on any kde application and he wants to save, he can directly over there.
And there are kio slaves for other uses, samba, devices, whatever...
It's probably a coincidence that when i hit gamespy.com right after reading your post, i see a big ad for the ngage on their front page?
Yes, it's most probably their good heart that make them pity the ngage. It's just funny they didnt have one when they bashed it.
i find your comment rather more interresting than funny since you had to shelter under the ac to tell 2 true and important facts.
I agree 100% with you but there is one area where technology matters, it's when it mixes with gameplay.
Add 3D to graphics or tcp/ip to personal computers and you get new types of gameplay. Now, the nice 3d of quake3 doesnt give much new to the genre. But, this new shadow engine could give one interresting gameplay: to play in almost dark places. Think multiplayer "Thief".
I'd like to try that.
On the other hand, it will be a new nice way to get blind too.
indeed. I havent tried the second one yet (doesnt work under linux), but the first one was really great. At least the first missions as marine were terribly scarry. Then it gets more on the "regular" fps side.
Brown trouser time you bet! I played the first mission with the fingers clutched on fire and screaming everytime anything was popping out. Then I left the game for the rest of the day. Some friend made fun of me and I made him tried the game. It was a delight to watch him scream and add some insightfull(+1) comments about his courage.
Because the pleasure i discovered with doom was not it's frantic action. This existed already with many old arcade games. I don't expect frantic multiplayer action either, because i have plenty of that available already.
What really differenciated doom was the intense fear i felt when I had to turn a corner and was hearing those breathing sounds.
Then multiplayer was brought to the games. Now, i expect doom3 to bring that creepy feeling into multiplayer games and i believe "no splash damage" are the right guys to do it. Gimme multiplayer in the dark baby!
It looks like you pressed [o]. Are you a french language user? [y/n][o/n]
It looks like Monad (c)(tm)(iya) is configured for qwerty keyboards. Should I configure it for azerty? [o/n]
It looks like the azerty configuration messed up a little a few applications configurations. Should I adjust their configurations? [o/n]
It looks like the adjustments break a little the Windows(c)(tm)(iya) Registry? Should I replace it with the saved BackUp Registry? [o/n]
It looks like the saved BackUp Registry is now totally screwed up. Should I try to reboot the PC in order to automagically repair everything? [o/n]
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