That the wonders of life can arise from such simple programs is a mystery to me as well... I am in no means trying to trivialive life or individuality. Thank You.
Too Pussy to Login AC? It is nice to know there are still retards like you to help fill up the void in the world quickly being filled with intelligent, career oriented people. People exactly like you will always gaurantee me a job.
700 Megs? Okay, so if everything can be stored on 700 Megs of space, how can there then be an infinite number of different people thought history? No two people are exactly alike...so if people have been around for 100 million years and even today there are 6 billion people, how can an infinite number of possibilities exist within a limited data set? I am not interested in rebuttals about changing population growth throughout human history. If you are thinking that there are more possiblilities on that CD than people who have ever lived on the Earth up to this point, you are also implying that at some point in human existance the exact same person will have to exist twice. That is an impossibility. No two people on Earth have the same retinas, no two people on Earth have ever had the exact same finger print, etc. etc. And where on that CD is stored human memory, human personality, human reality, existance, life, and everything else that cannot be explained simply by making a "best guess" and what a human is supposed to be. I have talked to many people about what you think is true about what we know and how small it can be compressed onto a CD. So, an infinite number of human possibilities and you think it can be fit onto a finite data set printed on a CD. You are wrong, and 700 Megs cannot possibly describe the entire existance and uniqueness of one single human being. Uniqueness in the universe is what makes the mystery of being alive so great. If we break everything down to the atomic level...Isn't everything the same then? You see, we are not just 700 Megs of mutated genes. You are just a stange little man, that's all.
99.44% "You are the product of a mutational union of ~640Mbytes of genetic information." Where did you get such a strange (albeit non-true) fact such as this? I remember the Human Genome Project requiring magnitudes more space than this to even decode just one single gene sequence. I wish people would not believe things as ridiculous as this.
Leave that crap for the math teachers.:) Why do you and other people think that way? As a Pure Mathematician I always seem to run into this attitude. The level of Math you know, which is enough to get a Solaris Certification, you don't need to know exactly how Math works. You just need to learn it's applications and outcomes. When you program, do you need to know exactly how the electrons in the silicon in the CPU are colliding on the Qauntum level? If you are so concerned Math teachers are hiding something from you, go to a 4 year college and take a courses in Proofs and Theorems. The 2 classes you will need to take are Comtemporary Abstract Algebra (Modern Algebra) and Advanced Calculus (Proofs and Theorems). With these 2 courses you will understand where everything from 1+1=2 to proving everything from the definition of an integral to topology (look it up). Computer Science professors hide a lot more by teaching you to code (without asking any questions) than Math teachers do by teaching you Mathematics. If you think Computer Science is so much greater of an approach to teaching science and math, then why doesn't everyone program in Machine Language during their first ever course in college? Doesn't make sense, does it? The same is for Mathematics. If you don't need to know Mathematics on the same level as Machine Language, then why teach it to you?
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My mistake. Yes, the Search Engine working would have made this a much better deal for everyone. I apologize. Maybe instead of rejecting stories out of hand you could have a few options such as "Already Submitted: Rejected" or "Already Posted: Rejected." Without your search engine working then just "Rejected: -1" doesn't tell me much. Yes, posting like I did is perfectly okay because there are definitely some stories that get sent to Slashdot, but get rejected only to never get posted or posted later in the week or month by someone else. Sometimes even Slashdot editors taking all of the credit themselves. Again, I apologize...Please fix the search engine and if you could please try and have some kind of more verbose rejection system for articles that have been already posted or repeated. Thanks
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And as usual, I submit a great story and Slashdot editors reject it with yet *another* story about AtheOS and 'Making Your Own DSL'. So, in *incredibly more important* news read this post and go visit http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/08/23/new.linux.os.idg/ to read the article. It is *wonderful* to have IBM on board, and now HP kickin' it in with their own Linux Distro. I sure hope the 'high security' modifications they do to Linux will trickle down to everyone. Thanks for posting *crap* today Slashdot Editors. The date is 08-24-2001 and I posted this story at 10:00am or so and was rejected by noon. So, here goes: (IDG) -- In a move aimed at making Linux more attractive to corporate computer users, Hewlett-Packard Co. Wednesday announced its own version of Linux that incorporates high-security features needed by business users.
The new HP Secure OS Software for Linux will offer security features that have been long desired but not built into the operating system, according to Mike Balma, director of operations for Linux systems at HP.
The package, which will be released on Monday, will sell for $3,000 per system and is based on the Linux 2.4 kernel and Red Hat Linux 7.1. The operating system also includes the Apache Web server, the Amanda backup utility, configuration and security auditing tools, and installation and integration support.
The operating system is targeted at Internet service providers, telecommunications companies and e-businesses that want a more secure operating system that still offers the flexibility of open-source software, according to HP.
One of the major criticisms of Linux in the past has been that it doesn't offer the higher security needed by business computing environments.
"Commercial users do require security and that's where HP is filling in the gap," Balma said.
The new software will provide enterprise-level Linux security while balancing performance, ease of use, management and application support, according to HP. The operating system is designed to isolate users and applications into "compartments" that remain separated, making them more secure. The system automatically audits system activities and provides file system protection and containment, should a breach occur.
In related Linux announcements, HP also unveiled the creation of an embedded Linux-based operating system called Chai-LX and the availability of an open source Web-based developers portal.
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I just bought a Kyro II and had to take it back because it *does not* work in Linux/X11. The SbLive is still fscked up as far as Linux Drivers are concerned. DVD *still* doesn't work in Linux, so forget that one. Get a GForce 2 or 3, and a SB256/512PCI works great (and just as cheap or cheaper).
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Fuck you for linking to something so fucking disgusting. You are a piece of shit.
Why are so many people incredibly bitter and unknowing of the pure sciences such as Mathematics and Physics? If there is something you don't understand, due to lack of education, where do you think the answers lie...God? I am not religious, and am not of a faith bound to a single God, but apparently from what I understand you can't experimentally prove Him, you can't touch, see, or smell Him, and he is a helluva lot more abstract and unprovable than any Physics or Mathematics could possibly hope achieve. Yet, Quantum Mechanics seems to be something you wholeheartly disconcern as hype and lies. Why? To myself and many others, Mathematics and Science is God...it is the language of the universe. There is no "mysticism" in that. I am a Pure Mathematician, as I have stated in many of my other posts. Mathematics is the language of the Universe. All of science is Mathematics in the end, and as such holds the answers to every question the universe holds. Every mathematical equation and answer has been abstract at some point. Even the original Arabic concept of the zero. Mathematics follows very, very strict rules. If mathematics, which is Physics, says that something exists, then it does. The idea of what it may be may be up to interpretation, which is where most Physics is done, but the pure mathematics is not. So, if an idea is too abstract for you to comprehend, does it mean it is automatically false? No, of course not. It just means you don't understand it. Mathematicians and Physicists, especially ones at a place like MIT, are not there to "scam" or "swindle" you. Neither you nor I am a student or professor at MIT, and therefore have no right to judge their intelligence, integrity, or their minds. Quantum Mechanics is a science, and an incredibly important one at that. You terribly miquoted Einstein and others when you made the blatantly incorrect reference to his stance on Quantum Mechanics (which is based on Probabilities, unlike Einstein's relatively 'flat' universe). Einstein actually helped create Quantum Mechanics and was quoted as saying "Quantum Mechanics...Scary things happening at a distance." That was his quote, and it has nothing to do with what you blatantly messed up. He said is was scary to him...Something one of the greatest minds that has ever lived didn't completely understand. So why do you think you should be able to? Let's take an everyday example to a moment. Have you ever gone to the grocery store and purchased something? Did the cashier wave your product, which contained a bunch of bars in a small box called a UPC over some lasers, and *presto*...Your total came up on the cash register? Are you someone who never thinks twice about how that works or are you someone who takes the time to find out. Well, you would have no clue how it works without a college course in Contemporary Abstract Algebra. The math that makes your UPC work are such abstract things as Group Theory, Ring Theory, and Modular Multiplication. These things, which while looking at them plain faced mean nothing to you. But, dig deeper, become educated in the pure science of mathematics, and all of a sudden you realize that without Group Theory, Ring Theory, and Modular Multiplication nothing would work at all. Now, to explain, most CS majors know what Mod. Mul. is, right? Well, when applied to a Ring (which I have no room to explain here) you can choose a prime number (another of those abstract ideas) as your Ring modifier and apply the Prime Ring to your Mod. Mul. and you have the ability to create a code that has basically only one real solution (well, technically possibly more than one solution depending on your prime seed, but it would be a process of reverse engineering the UPC mathematics to figure it out, and no one cares, unless you have a Pure Math degree, a permanent marker, a code sheet of the vendor's UPC codes, and a lot of spare time). Hidden in that UPC bar code is the correct number to undo the Ring, thus giving you the Product ID of the food you purchased. Since Abstract Algebra has been around for almost 200 hundred or more years now, do you think anyone then could have imagined a UPC code in the 20th/21st century? No, of course not. And always be careful of reading "rebuttal" sites on the net or in print. None of them are written by anyone even remotely qualified to say anything. Especially judging the article you referenced and your apparent respect for it. Please never stop dreaming, and never doubt something out of hand, simply because you don't understand it. Peace.
Why is this irony or morony? Taking what I write out of context...You can make and draw any conclusions that you wish. My response really proves exactly nothing. Your response just supports my rant. Ahhh, the all knowing young. Time is the greatest teacher. Being in High School and the first couple of years of college you will very well believe you know everything. Join a frat, do something "not" geeky or smart. (If...you graduate) Graduate. Enter the real world. Welcome to reality, kid. Hopefully by that time you will understand...or maybe you won't...which would be sad. Hey, I partied my ass off during most of my life. I played Rugby and almost joined a Frat. I didn't originally start out as a Pure Math major. I thought I knew everything *exactly* like you. "I can't be studying right now...I wouldn't be partying then...My friends would think I am a geek..." Then about 2 1/2 years into college all of my friends started getting kicked out of school...I got a letter too. I went to visit a friend of mine one day and he was laying asphalt on a 110 degree day. The other friend of mine became a manager at Pizza Hut. The third one got his girlfriend pregnant after he got kicked out, and was basically doing shit with his life. It was right about that point that I realized that people with your attitude were going to end up nowhere with their lives. I stopped most of the partying, starting doing my homework (which was Math and Physics) every single minute of the day. And thanks in part to my wonderful and beautiful girlfriend, I stayed with it and ended up graduating with an A/B average. My *highly social* friends? Still doing nothing with their *correct* lifestyles. Of course, now they are calling me asking for money. Ironic, isn't it? The fact that 90% of kids are ignorant and think it's cooler that way really bother me. "Hey, D+/C- grades get you a degree." I know that after our parents all pass away we will be left to run this world...And if doing Math and Physics makes you somehow less of a person than yourself (who thinks he is all knowing and not very intelligent) then this world is going to be in a sad state of affairs. Apparently you didn't read my entire post, but I am assuming you missed the part about doing what you believe in...and trying to not be ignorant. I said, and I say again...You may think you are wonderful and "worldly" by not doing your homework, but doing Math and Physics all day long makes you neither stupid nor anti-social. What it is called is dedication. I love what I do. You can also come and watch my band if you wish. Oh well, believe what you wish...Take what you wish out of context. A different poster was right...Just try and smile and hope your mentality will come to pass. If I was really nice to you, would it have made a difference? Oh well, later kid. Feel free to take whatever else I write out of context too:-)
You are right about just trying to let it go. No, I am certainly not a teenager, but I am just completely appalled at the total amount of ignorance and uneducation in this country (US). Being dumb and ignorant is the general overall attitude by 99% of the people I meet. And none of them seem to care. It just gets to me...and teenagers are the place that that exact attitude needs to be changed. But, you are right...Just try to not worry and hopefully this will get better...
Okay, studies like this really, really piss me off. I recently graduated from the University of Wisconsin Platteville with a degree in Pure Mathematics (with an A/B average, thank you very much). I have been playing games (video, board, computer) all of my life. So what does this mean to this dumbass "scientist"? It means he is fitting data that he finds (which in this case is completely irrelevant and unrelated) to a result he wanted to find. In one of my Probability and Statistics classes we did a study that was exactly like this one...Except my professor specifically did it to show how fscked most studies/statistics can be...and this one on purpose. On a very long stretch of campus, on the way to class, there is a cemetary that borders on side of the university. One day we (as a class) sat outside and looked down at the corridor bordered by the cemetary and the university. We counted during the hour and between classes how many girls walked on the cemetary side of the sidewalk and how many girls walked on the university side of the sidewalk...And also counted the men. Our results? That a few more girls walked on the university side as opposed to the cemetary side...So girls must must be scared to walk near the cemetary. Actual results: Total Bullsh*t. It was interesting (and fun) to see how studies like that can completely be made up from erroneous and absolute crap data. The scientists data we are reading about here is just as much a pile of sh*t as the study I did in college. He should lose his job...or work for CNN:-)
PS-Did I mention the male dorm was on the cemetary side and the female dorm was on the university side?
You don't need IE 6 to get this software. Actually, IE 5 and 5.5 have both been able to send "Bug Reports," for almost a year now, back to Microsoft when they crash. All you have to do is go to "Windows Update" and it will be on the list of "Recommended Downloads". And this crash reporting software is actually really, really good. IE 5 was crashing on me constantly and it was almost useless for a while. Then I went and downloaded the Bug Reporting tool from Windows Update and installed it. No sooner than IE crashed again, a window came up and the Error Reporting tool send the bug report to Microsoft. Then all of a sudden a window came up and directed me to the Microsoft Knowledge Base. The reason IE was crashing was because the version of Microsoft VC++ I was developing with (a recently upgraded) had a conflicting DLL/Library. I downloaded the "fix" (which was the next VC++ Fixpack) and I haven't had an IE crash in months and months.
I can defintitely assume you are in High School and not very bright in Math or Physics. To quote:
>>>Studying physics 12 hours a day will make you stupid and anti-social. Sure, you'll know all about physics, but you're missing that key phrase "well-rounded."
Once you get to college...and hopefully graduate, like myself, you will come to learn that everyone who graduates spends around 12 or more hours a day in their career (minus business majors, communications majors, etc.). I graduated from the University of Wisconsin Platteville with a degree in Pure (Theoretical) Mathematics and a minor in Women's Studies. I also play acoustic guitar in a band, live and ski in Colorado, have a gorgeous girlfriend, and do at least 12 hours of Math and Physics per day. Four things you apparently have no clue about. Duh...Football...Duh. Having a degree in something that requires real brain activity such as Math or Physics does not make you "stupid" or not "well rounded". People as ignorant as you really piss me off. Most of the greatest minds this world has ever known are also the most "well rounded" people this planet has ever known. You are not one of those poeple. PS-You can look it up if want to...Just stop being such an idiot and live your life...and also respect people who are smarter than you and are living their lives. Very "well rounded" and definitely not "stupid". Go to college...find a career you love...come back 5 years from now and understand how ignorant you sound. God, ignorant assholes like you really piss me off. If more people did what they love, then maybe this world wouldn't be so fucked up. Go to college...grow up.
I don't mean to be argumentative, but in the many times I have installed Linux Mandrake, I can let you know that you don't have to install anything you don't want to. There is always an expert option that will let you configure everything all the way down the individual packages. I personally like to use the expert option on install...you don't have to install printers, network adapters, or even X11 if you do not wish. I wish you would take more time to explore your true options before making a decision or opinion. And the fact that there is an automated install option that will basically do everything for you is absolutely awesome and is definitely what most people are looking for. And, of course, I can choose the expert mode and truly hack Linux Mandrake to pieces if I wish. That is why Mandrake truly rocks. Some day, to be fair, I promise to try Debian in order to be able to give a proper opinion of it. All I know is that Mandrake is the definite true king of Desktop Linux and is the only true contender at this point in my opinion. I love it. PS-Please try using the expert mode and let Mandrake show you it's true power as an expert system. You will be surprised, I promise.
I love Linux. I have been using it since the RedHat Mother's Day release...Way back in the day. But, everytime I read something like:
>>>I'm not certain I like the 'Configure everthing in the instal' approach they take, but I am sure it's helpful for all new Linux users.
I don't understand the back asswards mentality that all of the people have here. Just because you have the ability to configure just about everything in the install, why is this for "new" users only? I, along with the rest of the world, prefers to install something and get started using it RIGHT AWAY. The reason Linux isn't as popular as people like to lie to themselves about is because Linux/Unix is not easy to setup and use to someone who has little time to fuck around with it. Installing, setting up, logging in, and running productive software is exactly what serious computer users (home and corporate) are specifically wanting and aiming to achieve. Mandrake does this and that is why Mandrake is so damned popular. One of my friends spent an eternity trying to setup his network card the other week. Then when that got setup he spend tooooo many hours fucking with this file and that file to setup the rest of the networking and X-Windows and eventually blah, blah, blah...He finally contacted me about his problems and I told him to download Mandrake 8.0, burn it, and install it. He did exactly that and Mandrake found all of his hardware and he was able to set it up all in the install (including networking). He rebooted and was productive in under 30 minutes.
I am not a newbie by any means and I find Mandrake an absolute pleasure to use. It is not a newbie distro. It is a smart distro aimed at people who want to use their computers...and people who would prefer to not have to fuck with anything to set it up and get any work done. People like me at my friend are the 90% of the market Linux currently is failing to please...Thank You Mandrake for seeing past all of this "must be a bitch to setup and use to be powerful, omnipotent, and/. geek worthy" crap and giving the world a decent distro that is both easy to setup and easy to use.
I am completely bewildered at your lack of understanding of the world. Nothing in the world is certain to happen all of the time...Physical laws are in place that take into account the fact that all variables of a problem are under control except for the ones being tested. The truth is that things in the universe only occur multiple times the same because they have the hightest probability of occuring the same way twice. Nothing can be 100% relied upon (although the chances in the non-quantum world are infinitesimal small and can usually be put to rest at 0. That is not the case with this computer's use since it is predicting things all the way to the quantum level.)
So, what you are saying is that...Let's say GM designs a NEW Braking system for their cars. If they followed your line of thinking, then all they would have to do is just plug some simple and already known numbers into Newton's Laws of Motion...and *presto*...No need for running tests or simulations. Right? What do you think would have been the case if Firestone had the chance to run "super-computer class" calculations and predictions on their tires before putting them on Ford Explorers? About 1000 or more people who wouldn't be buried 6 feet under ground while their loved ones hurt forever over their death.
The point is that nothing in the world can be 100% predicted for the future. You could blow up 10,000 Hydrogen Bombs, fill sheets full of data, and still not be 100% sure that the 10,001 time the bomb would do something completely different. You cannot predict the future after a short period of time...simple Probability. What ASCI White is for is to help gain as much knowledge about what could happen to all of these munitions over time or during war. If everything in the world were linear and predictable...Well, you and I would still be swinging in trees as apes or swimming in the ocean as fish. Please don't think with ignorance or pretending that everything that can be known is known...because the one time you time you need to slam on your brakes to avoid an accident, you better hope that someone did a whole shitload of simulations on that braking system to make sure it saves your live. Preferably not by putting cars with untested brakes into traffic:-)
As does Mandrake 8.0 and 8.1. I have been using a Voodoo 3 2000 forever with X. If you are using an RPM system all you need (for Voodoo 3) is the XFree86 4.0 or 4.1 servers, and 3DFX-DRI-CVS. You can also download the latest MESA RPM's and have at it. I have Linux Mandrake 8.1, XFree86 4.0, and not a single problem with my Voodoo 3 card. You do have to turn off ARtS server in KDE2 though to get any OpenGL or Voodoo stuff to work right. The sound driver conflicts with the ARtS server and will crash out every single time.
Is every person who modded this post in High School Physics or a Business Major?
Modern Physics, and a class I took as an engineer called Electromagnetic Fields or E&M, call tell you that we know a whole shitload about magnetic fields, magnetic field theory, magnetism (ferro, para, etc.), magnetic properties, the origin of magnetic force and its interrationship with atomic spin states, and how to induce magnetic fields in non-magentic substances. Just out of curiosity, do you have ANY idea how a TV or computer monitor work? Maybe you should grab yourself a 2nd year COLLEGE PHYSICS book and read up on it. A cathode tube happens to bend electron paths to aim them at the screen you see. That was back in the 1940's.
Go to college, take an actual intellectual course or two, such as...say, Calculus based College Physics II or E&M. Stop being so ignorant and stop spreading your ignorance with others. At least you say "To the best of my knowldege" because at least I can take peace in the fact that you don't know shit about what you are talking about. Do not spread ignorance as fact.
There are 3 reasons I have ever bought a "boxed" Linux distribution. These are very simple, yet I know a lot of people who live Linux the same way:
1) Hard Copy Documentation. And Vendor Specific Documentation. There are times, at least on my system, when for whatever reason the MBR gets overwritten or trashed...sometimes by Windows, an AV program, or LILO being written to the MBR instead of GRUB (LILO *hates* my hardware setup). Linux documentation on the internet is *useless* when all I see when I turn my computer on is LI L0 LI L0 LI LO... What saved my ass? The RedHat Manual that came in the Boxed Set. After noticing the damned Boot Disk also used LILO, which was useless for me, I just grabbed the box, flipped to the LILO/GRUB section, and the Rescue Disk/CD and in 5 minutes had a happy system again:-)
2) When I am trying to introduce someone *new* to Linux. Buying a "boxed set" is perfect for both me and them. Many, many times it has been more than helpful and useful for me to say "Hey, just take a look in the book...It will probably help you more than me, because I have become to good at this that I am sure I will miss something that is important to you and not to me anymore..." For example, I use the BASH shell, and I love it for one reason above all else...Command Line Completion. But, as I discovered, I don't even think anymore when I am trying..."Type first 2 letters.....1 more letter.....etc. etc. I can whip around my system like a jet plane. But when I was trying to show my friend something the other day on his *new* Linux install, he stopped me in the middle of my typing to ask me "How do you type so fast...?" That was when I knew I was over his head...It was simply time to give him the book which came with his Distro. It explained, in plain English, what a "shell" was and what "command line completion" was about, and many more things. Books that come with "boxed sets" like RedHat or Mandrake are absolutely invaluable to me and many, many others. Everything you could ever want short of being a system admin can be found in those books.
3) I feel that giving my small contribution of money to Linux makes me feel like I am giving to a cause I can relate to, understand, and at times defend very wholeheartedly. I feel computing at times makes me want to vomit and run away from the United States to find a country where intelligent, normal human beings use computers and make the laws. But, then I realize that battles and wars are won, not by the big battles, but sometimes by just a lot of people fighting the good battles. Giving a little to the good and small fight. And if my $50 can one day help a platform like Linux bring reality back into the computing landscape, with a hope for fair competition, standards, and decent laws...then it was a $50 well spent. And a cause I can be proud to say I was a part of...even if in the smallest way
As a matter of fact, I do use Mandrake Linux as the fact that "having fun" has meant a much higher productivity level among myself and my coworkers. Having a commmand line interface and saying that using Mandrake as "playing" neither impresses anyone nor gives the illusion of you having big balls. In fact, it makes you sound like an idiot.
Actually, I completely disagree with you. Apple created a GUI as an integral part of the OS for a good reason. Without Apple doing this, we would still have DOS and have to type WIN to start Windows. I am not sure why people are obsessed with having to create more work for themselves by typing anything to start their GUI, when the main 2 reasons people purchase a computer/OS is for its ease of use and its applications. Apple wasn't the only one to do this...anybody remember OS/2 or BeOS? Nobody wants to see a command line at all if they can help it. Why do you think 99.9% of Linux distributions today load a FB picture at startup, use something graphical to hide the boot sequence, and then autostart X into either KDM or GDM? Because people are visual creatures by design. When I can start my computer, have it completely GUI from boot to shutdown I have a more "complete implementation" feel to my computer than when I have to mess with anything that looks like a command line. When I can change a directory by clicking on a folder icon, dragging my favorites 100 MP3's to my CD-ROM drive, let go of the mouse button, and have it all taken care of I not only save time, I feel like I am actually interacting with my computer, I actually feel like I "moved" it, and once I let go of the button, the MP3's burn the the CD, I hit the eject button, click on "Shutdown" and everything is fine. Would you like to tell me how to do that with a command line without it being a major pain in the ass? Nobody I know wants to use Linux, specifically because the command line gets old really, really, fast. Humans are visual creatures. When a person feels like they are looking at something "real" and they intereact with it in a "real" way, then they are visually and mentally satisfied that something was done...visually done. People don't like to know a "command line" exists at all. Point-->Click...Point-->Drag-->Drop. Simple and effective. If we can make Linux *completely* GUI without any command line at all, people..."the masses"...with begin to accept it. You can't "brute force" Linux onto people. They will simply begin to hate it and just go back to what is comfortable. I bought my Mom a laptop specifically because she wants to keep in touch with me and save on long distance after I moved. I didn't and will never introduce her to Linux. All she wants to do is send me email and write a letter or two. In Windows, all she has to do is click on Outlook...Windows autodials her ISP, brings up the email client, and when she is done sending me an email, it hangs up for her. That also goes for when she just gets on the internet in general. If she wants to buy some little Create-a-Card program or something, there is no stupid rpm -Uvh foo or anything of that nature. She pops in the CD, it Autoplays for her, and in 10-15 minutes she is happily sending out Christmas cards on her new computer. No shell scripts, no command line, no bullshit whatsoever. And that is just how I like her to be...Happy. And that is how everyone would like to be, including myself. I also know how much I enjoyed BeOs and OS/2 and Macintosh. And in all but the *OLD* MacOs not including MacOS X, you could still get to a command line if you really *needed* to...but with a productive, effective, visual, and elegant GUI, a command line is completely pointless. Without people understanding that *needing* to make things overly *non-visual* such as 90% of Linux, then people are just not going to use it as a Desktop OS.
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That the wonders of life can arise from such simple programs is a mystery to me as well... I am in no means trying to trivialive life or individuality.
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Too Pussy to Login AC? It is nice to know there are still retards like you to help fill up the void in the world quickly being filled with intelligent, career oriented people. People exactly like you will always gaurantee me a job.
700 Megs? Okay, so if everything can be stored on 700 Megs of space, how can there then be an infinite number of different people thought history? No two people are exactly alike...so if people have been around for 100 million years and even today there are 6 billion people, how can an infinite number of possibilities exist within a limited data set? I am not interested in rebuttals about changing population growth throughout human history. If you are thinking that there are more possiblilities on that CD than people who have ever lived on the Earth up to this point, you are also implying that at some point in human existance the exact same person will have to exist twice. That is an impossibility. No two people on Earth have the same retinas, no two people on Earth have ever had the exact same finger print, etc. etc. And where on that CD is stored human memory, human personality, human reality, existance, life, and everything else that cannot be explained simply by making a "best guess" and what a human is supposed to be. I have talked to many people about what you think is true about what we know and how small it can be compressed onto a CD. So, an infinite number of human possibilities and you think it can be fit onto a finite data set printed on a CD. You are wrong, and 700 Megs cannot possibly describe the entire existance and uniqueness of one single human being.
Uniqueness in the universe is what makes the mystery of being alive so great. If we break everything down to the atomic level...Isn't everything the same then? You see, we are not just 700 Megs of mutated genes. You are just a stange little man, that's all.
99.44% "You are the product of a mutational union of ~640Mbytes of genetic information."
Where did you get such a strange (albeit non-true) fact such as this? I remember the Human Genome Project requiring magnitudes more space than this to even decode just one single gene sequence. I wish people would not believe things as ridiculous as this.
Leave that crap for the math teachers.
Why do you and other people think that way? As a Pure Mathematician I always seem to run into this attitude. The level of Math you know, which is enough to get a Solaris Certification, you don't need to know exactly how Math works. You just need to learn it's applications and outcomes. When you program, do you need to know exactly how the electrons in the silicon in the CPU are colliding on the Qauntum level? If you are so concerned Math teachers are hiding something from you, go to a 4 year college and take a courses in Proofs and Theorems. The 2 classes you will need to take are Comtemporary Abstract Algebra (Modern Algebra) and Advanced Calculus (Proofs and Theorems). With these 2 courses you will understand where everything from 1+1=2 to proving everything from the definition of an integral to topology (look it up). Computer Science professors hide a lot more by teaching you to code (without asking any questions) than Math teachers do by teaching you Mathematics.
If you think Computer Science is so much greater of an approach to teaching science and math, then why doesn't everyone program in Machine Language during their first ever course in college? Doesn't make sense, does it? The same is for Mathematics. If you don't need to know Mathematics on the same level as Machine Language, then why teach it to you?
My mistake. Yes, the Search Engine working would have made this a much better deal for everyone. I apologize. Maybe instead of rejecting stories out of hand you could have a few options such as "Already Submitted: Rejected" or "Already Posted: Rejected." Without your search engine working then just "Rejected: -1" doesn't tell me much. Yes, posting like I did is perfectly okay because there are definitely some stories that get sent to Slashdot, but get rejected only to never get posted or posted later in the week or month by someone else. Sometimes even Slashdot editors taking all of the credit themselves.
Again, I apologize...Please fix the search engine and if you could please try and have some kind of more verbose rejection system for articles that have been already posted or repeated. Thanks
And as usual, I submit a great story and Slashdot editors reject it with yet *another* story about AtheOS and 'Making Your Own DSL'.
So, in *incredibly more important* news read this post and go visit http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/08/23/new.linu
(IDG) -- In a move aimed at making Linux more attractive to corporate computer users, Hewlett-Packard Co. Wednesday announced its own version of Linux that incorporates high-security features needed by business users.
The new HP Secure OS Software for Linux will offer security features that have been long desired but not built into the operating system, according to Mike Balma, director of operations for Linux systems at HP.
The package, which will be released on Monday, will sell for $3,000 per system and is based on the Linux 2.4 kernel and Red Hat Linux 7.1. The operating system also includes the Apache Web server, the Amanda backup utility, configuration and security auditing tools, and installation and integration support.
The operating system is targeted at Internet service providers, telecommunications companies and e-businesses that want a more secure operating system that still offers the flexibility of open-source software, according to HP.
One of the major criticisms of Linux in the past has been that it doesn't offer the higher security needed by business computing environments.
"Commercial users do require security and that's where HP is filling in the gap," Balma said.
The new software will provide enterprise-level Linux security while balancing performance, ease of use, management and application support, according to HP. The operating system is designed to isolate users and applications into "compartments" that remain separated, making them more secure. The system automatically audits system activities and provides file system protection and containment, should a breach occur.
In related Linux announcements, HP also unveiled the creation of an embedded Linux-based operating system called Chai-LX and the availability of an open source Web-based developers portal.
I just bought a Kyro II and had to take it back because it *does not* work in Linux/X11. The SbLive is still fscked up as far as Linux Drivers are concerned. DVD *still* doesn't work in Linux, so forget that one. Get a GForce 2 or 3, and a SB256/512PCI works great (and just as cheap or cheaper).
Fuck you for linking to something so fucking disgusting. You are a piece of shit.
Why are so many people incredibly bitter and unknowing of the pure sciences such as Mathematics and Physics? If there is something you don't understand, due to lack of education, where do you think the answers lie...God? I am not religious, and am not of a faith bound to a single God, but apparently from what I understand you can't experimentally prove Him, you can't touch, see, or smell Him, and he is a helluva lot more abstract and unprovable than any Physics or Mathematics could possibly hope achieve. Yet, Quantum Mechanics seems to be something you wholeheartly disconcern as hype and lies. Why? To myself and many others, Mathematics and Science is God...it is the language of the universe. There is no "mysticism" in that.
I am a Pure Mathematician, as I have stated in many of my other posts. Mathematics is the language of the Universe. All of science is Mathematics in the end, and as such holds the answers to every question the universe holds. Every mathematical equation and answer has been abstract at some point. Even the original Arabic concept of the zero. Mathematics follows very, very strict rules. If mathematics, which is Physics, says that something exists, then it does. The idea of what it may be may be up to interpretation, which is where most Physics is done, but the pure mathematics is not. So, if an idea is too abstract for you to comprehend, does it mean it is automatically false? No, of course not. It just means you don't understand it.
Mathematicians and Physicists, especially ones at a place like MIT, are not there to "scam" or "swindle" you. Neither you nor I am a student or professor at MIT, and therefore have no right to judge their intelligence, integrity, or their minds. Quantum Mechanics is a science, and an incredibly important one at that. You terribly miquoted Einstein and others when you made the blatantly incorrect reference to his stance on Quantum Mechanics (which is based on Probabilities, unlike Einstein's relatively 'flat' universe). Einstein actually helped create Quantum Mechanics and was quoted as saying "Quantum Mechanics...Scary things happening at a distance." That was his quote, and it has nothing to do with what you blatantly messed up. He said is was scary to him...Something one of the greatest minds that has ever lived didn't completely understand. So why do you think you should be able to?
Let's take an everyday example to a moment. Have you ever gone to the grocery store and purchased something? Did the cashier wave your product, which contained a bunch of bars in a small box called a UPC over some lasers, and *presto*...Your total came up on the cash register? Are you someone who never thinks twice about how that works or are you someone who takes the time to find out. Well, you would have no clue how it works without a college course in Contemporary Abstract Algebra. The math that makes your UPC work are such abstract things as Group Theory, Ring Theory, and Modular Multiplication. These things, which while looking at them plain faced mean nothing to you. But, dig deeper, become educated in the pure science of mathematics, and all of a sudden you realize that without Group Theory, Ring Theory, and Modular Multiplication nothing would work at all. Now, to explain, most CS majors know what Mod. Mul. is, right? Well, when applied to a Ring (which I have no room to explain here) you can choose a prime number (another of those abstract ideas) as your Ring modifier and apply the Prime Ring to your Mod. Mul. and you have the ability to create a code that has basically only one real solution (well, technically possibly more than one solution depending on your prime seed, but it would be a process of reverse engineering the UPC mathematics to figure it out, and no one cares, unless you have a Pure Math degree, a permanent marker, a code sheet of the vendor's UPC codes, and a lot of spare time). Hidden in that UPC bar code is the correct number to undo the Ring, thus giving you the Product ID of the food you purchased.
Since Abstract Algebra has been around for almost 200 hundred or more years now, do you think anyone then could have imagined a UPC code in the 20th/21st century? No, of course not. And always be careful of reading "rebuttal" sites on the net or in print. None of them are written by anyone even remotely qualified to say anything. Especially judging the article you referenced and your apparent respect for it. Please never stop dreaming, and never doubt something out of hand, simply because you don't understand it. Peace.
Why is this irony or morony? Taking what I write out of context...You can make and draw any conclusions that you wish. My response really proves exactly nothing. Your response just supports my rant.
Ahhh, the all knowing young. Time is the greatest teacher. Being in High School and the first couple of years of college you will very well believe you know everything. Join a frat, do something "not" geeky or smart. (If...you graduate) Graduate. Enter the real world. Welcome to reality, kid. Hopefully by that time you will understand...or maybe you won't...which would be sad.
Hey, I partied my ass off during most of my life. I played Rugby and almost joined a Frat. I didn't originally start out as a Pure Math major. I thought I knew everything *exactly* like you. "I can't be studying right now...I wouldn't be partying then...My friends would think I am a geek..." Then about 2 1/2 years into college all of my friends started getting kicked out of school...I got a letter too. I went to visit a friend of mine one day and he was laying asphalt on a 110 degree day. The other friend of mine became a manager at Pizza Hut. The third one got his girlfriend pregnant after he got kicked out, and was basically doing shit with his life. It was right about that point that I realized that people with your attitude were going to end up nowhere with their lives. I stopped most of the partying, starting doing my homework (which was Math and Physics) every single minute of the day. And thanks in part to my wonderful and beautiful girlfriend, I stayed with it and ended up graduating with an A/B average. My *highly social* friends? Still doing nothing with their *correct* lifestyles. Of course, now they are calling me asking for money. Ironic, isn't it?
The fact that 90% of kids are ignorant and think it's cooler that way really bother me. "Hey, D+/C- grades get you a degree." I know that after our parents all pass away we will be left to run this world...And if doing Math and Physics makes you somehow less of a person than yourself (who thinks he is all knowing and not very intelligent) then this world is going to be in a sad state of affairs. Apparently you didn't read my entire post, but I am assuming you missed the part about doing what you believe in...and trying to not be ignorant. I said, and I say again...You may think you are wonderful and "worldly" by not doing your homework, but doing Math and Physics all day long makes you neither stupid nor anti-social. What it is called is dedication. I love what I do. You can also come and watch my band if you wish. Oh well, believe what you wish...Take what you wish out of context. A different poster was right...Just try and smile and hope your mentality will come to pass. If I was really nice to you, would it have made a difference? Oh well, later kid. Feel free to take whatever else I write out of context too
You are right about just trying to let it go. No, I am certainly not a teenager, but I am just completely appalled at the total amount of ignorance and uneducation in this country (US). Being dumb and ignorant is the general overall attitude by 99% of the people I meet. And none of them seem to care. It just gets to me...and teenagers are the place that that exact attitude needs to be changed.
But, you are right...Just try to not worry and hopefully this will get better...
Okay, studies like this really, really piss me off. I recently graduated from the University of Wisconsin Platteville with a degree in Pure Mathematics (with an A/B average, thank you very much). I have been playing games (video, board, computer) all of my life. So what does this mean to this dumbass "scientist"? It means he is fitting data that he finds (which in this case is completely irrelevant and unrelated) to a result he wanted to find.
In one of my Probability and Statistics classes we did a study that was exactly like this one...Except my professor specifically did it to show how fscked most studies/statistics can be...and this one on purpose.
On a very long stretch of campus, on the way to class, there is a cemetary that borders on side of the university. One day we (as a class) sat outside and looked down at the corridor bordered by the cemetary and the university. We counted during the hour and between classes how many girls walked on the cemetary side of the sidewalk and how many girls walked on the university side of the sidewalk...And also counted the men. Our results? That a few more girls walked on the university side as opposed to the cemetary side...So girls must must be scared to walk near the cemetary. Actual results: Total Bullsh*t. It was interesting (and fun) to see how studies like that can completely be made up from erroneous and absolute crap data.
The scientists data we are reading about here is just as much a pile of sh*t as the study I did in college. He should lose his job...or work for CNN
PS-Did I mention the male dorm was on the cemetary side and the female dorm was on the university side?
You don't need IE 6 to get this software. Actually, IE 5 and 5.5 have both been able to send "Bug Reports," for almost a year now, back to Microsoft when they crash. All you have to do is go to "Windows Update" and it will be on the list of "Recommended Downloads".
And this crash reporting software is actually really, really good. IE 5 was crashing on me constantly and it was almost useless for a while. Then I went and downloaded the Bug Reporting tool from Windows Update and installed it. No sooner than IE crashed again, a window came up and the Error Reporting tool send the bug report to Microsoft. Then all of a sudden a window came up and directed me to the Microsoft Knowledge Base. The reason IE was crashing was because the version of Microsoft VC++ I was developing with (a recently upgraded) had a conflicting DLL/Library. I downloaded the "fix" (which was the next VC++ Fixpack) and I haven't had an IE crash in months and months.
I can defintitely assume you are in High School and not very bright in Math or Physics. To quote:
>>>Studying physics 12 hours a day will make you stupid and anti-social. Sure, you'll know all about physics, but you're missing that key phrase "well-rounded."
Once you get to college...and hopefully graduate, like myself, you will come to learn that everyone who graduates spends around 12 or more hours a day in their career (minus business majors, communications majors, etc.). I graduated from the University of Wisconsin Platteville with a degree in Pure (Theoretical) Mathematics and a minor in Women's Studies. I also play acoustic guitar in a band, live and ski in Colorado, have a gorgeous girlfriend, and do at least 12 hours of Math and Physics per day. Four things you apparently have no clue about. Duh...Football...Duh. Having a degree in something that requires real brain activity such as Math or Physics does not make you "stupid" or not "well rounded". People as ignorant as you really piss me off. Most of the greatest minds this world has ever known are also the most "well rounded" people this planet has ever known. You are not one of those poeple.
PS-You can look it up if want to...Just stop being such an idiot and live your life...and also respect people who are smarter than you and are living their lives. Very "well rounded" and definitely not "stupid". Go to college...find a career you love...come back 5 years from now and understand how ignorant you sound.
God, ignorant assholes like you really piss me off. If more people did what they love, then maybe this world wouldn't be so fucked up. Go to college...grow up.
I don't mean to be argumentative, but in the many times I have installed Linux Mandrake, I can let you know that you don't have to install anything you don't want to. There is always an expert option that will let you configure everything all the way down the individual packages. I personally like to use the expert option on install...you don't have to install printers, network adapters, or even X11 if you do not wish. I wish you would take more time to explore your true options before making a decision or opinion. And the fact that there is an automated install option that will basically do everything for you is absolutely awesome and is definitely what most people are looking for. And, of course, I can choose the expert mode and truly hack Linux Mandrake to pieces if I wish. That is why Mandrake truly rocks.
Some day, to be fair, I promise to try Debian in order to be able to give a proper opinion of it.
All I know is that Mandrake is the definite true king of Desktop Linux and is the only true contender at this point in my opinion. I love it.
PS-Please try using the expert mode and let Mandrake show you it's true power as an expert system. You will be surprised, I promise.
I love Linux. I have been using it since the RedHat Mother's Day release...Way back in the day. But, everytime I read something like:
>>>I'm not certain I like the 'Configure everthing in the instal' approach they take, but I am sure it's helpful for all new Linux users.
I don't understand the back asswards mentality that all of the people have here. Just because you have the ability to configure just about everything in the install, why is this for "new" users only? I, along with the rest of the world, prefers to install something and get started using it RIGHT AWAY. The reason Linux isn't as popular as people like to lie to themselves about is because Linux/Unix is not easy to setup and use to someone who has little time to fuck around with it. Installing, setting up, logging in, and running productive software is exactly what serious computer users (home and corporate) are specifically wanting and aiming to achieve. Mandrake does this and that is why Mandrake is so damned popular. One of my friends spent an eternity trying to setup his network card the other week. Then when that got setup he spend tooooo many hours fucking with this file and that file to setup the rest of the networking and X-Windows and eventually blah, blah, blah...He finally contacted me about his problems and I told him to download Mandrake 8.0, burn it, and install it. He did exactly that and Mandrake found all of his hardware and he was able to set it up all in the install (including networking). He rebooted and was productive in under 30 minutes.
I am not a newbie by any means and I find Mandrake an absolute pleasure to use. It is not a newbie distro. It is a smart distro aimed at people who want to use their computers...and people who would prefer to not have to fuck with anything to set it up and get any work done. People like me at my friend are the 90% of the market Linux currently is failing to please...Thank You Mandrake for seeing past all of this "must be a bitch to setup and use to be powerful, omnipotent, and
I am completely bewildered at your lack of understanding of the world. Nothing in the world is certain to happen all of the time...Physical laws are in place that take into account the fact that all variables of a problem are under control except for the ones being tested. The truth is that things in the universe only occur multiple times the same because they have the hightest probability of occuring the same way twice. Nothing can be 100% relied upon (although the chances in the non-quantum world are infinitesimal small and can usually be put to rest at 0. That is not the case with this computer's use since it is predicting things all the way to the quantum level.)
So, what you are saying is that...Let's say GM designs a NEW Braking system for their cars. If they followed your line of thinking, then all they would have to do is just plug some simple and already known numbers into Newton's Laws of Motion...and *presto*...No need for running tests or simulations. Right? What do you think would have been the case if Firestone had the chance to run "super-computer class" calculations and predictions on their tires before putting them on Ford Explorers? About 1000 or more people who wouldn't be buried 6 feet under ground while their loved ones hurt forever over their death.
The point is that nothing in the world can be 100% predicted for the future. You could blow up 10,000 Hydrogen Bombs, fill sheets full of data, and still not be 100% sure that the 10,001 time the bomb would do something completely different. You cannot predict the future after a short period of time...simple Probability. What ASCI White is for is to help gain as much knowledge about what could happen to all of these munitions over time or during war. If everything in the world were linear and predictable...Well, you and I would still be swinging in trees as apes or swimming in the ocean as fish.
Please don't think with ignorance or pretending that everything that can be known is known...because the one time you time you need to slam on your brakes to avoid an accident, you better hope that someone did a whole shitload of simulations on that braking system to make sure it saves your live. Preferably not by putting cars with untested brakes into traffic
As does Mandrake 8.0 and 8.1. I have been using a Voodoo 3 2000 forever with X. If you are using an RPM system all you need (for Voodoo 3) is the XFree86 4.0 or 4.1 servers, and 3DFX-DRI-CVS. You can also download the latest MESA RPM's and have at it. I have Linux Mandrake 8.1, XFree86 4.0, and not a single problem with my Voodoo 3 card. You do have to turn off ARtS server in KDE2 though to get any OpenGL or Voodoo stuff to work right. The sound driver conflicts with the ARtS server and will crash out every single time.
POSTED AS +4??? WHAT???
Is every person who modded this post in High School Physics or a Business Major?
Modern Physics, and a class I took as an engineer called Electromagnetic Fields or E&M, call tell you that we know a whole shitload about magnetic fields, magnetic field theory, magnetism (ferro, para, etc.), magnetic properties, the origin of magnetic force and its interrationship with atomic spin states, and how to induce magnetic fields in non-magentic substances. Just out of curiosity, do you have ANY idea how a TV or computer monitor work? Maybe you should grab yourself a 2nd year COLLEGE PHYSICS book and read up on it. A cathode tube happens to bend electron paths to aim them at the screen you see. That was back in the 1940's.
Go to college, take an actual intellectual course or two, such as...say, Calculus based College Physics II or E&M. Stop being so ignorant and stop spreading your ignorance with others.
At least you say "To the best of my knowldege" because at least I can take peace in the fact that you don't know shit about what you are talking about.
Do not spread ignorance as fact.
There are 3 reasons I have ever bought a "boxed" Linux distribution. These are very simple, yet I know a lot of people who live Linux the same way:
1) Hard Copy Documentation. And Vendor Specific Documentation. There are times, at least on my system, when for whatever reason the MBR gets overwritten or trashed...sometimes by Windows, an AV program, or LILO being written to the MBR instead of GRUB (LILO *hates* my hardware setup). Linux documentation on the internet is *useless* when all I see when I turn my computer on is LI L0 LI L0 LI LO... What saved my ass? The RedHat Manual that came in the Boxed Set. After noticing the damned Boot Disk also used LILO, which was useless for me, I just grabbed the box, flipped to the LILO/GRUB section, and the Rescue Disk/CD and in 5 minutes had a happy system again
2) When I am trying to introduce someone *new* to Linux. Buying a "boxed set" is perfect for both me and them. Many, many times it has been more than helpful and useful for me to say "Hey, just take a look in the book...It will probably help you more than me, because I have become to good at this that I am sure I will miss something that is important to you and not to me anymore..." For example, I use the BASH shell, and I love it for one reason above all else...Command Line Completion. But, as I discovered, I don't even think anymore when I am trying..."Type first 2 letters.....1 more letter.....etc. etc. I can whip around my system like a jet plane. But when I was trying to show my friend something the other day on his *new* Linux install, he stopped me in the middle of my typing to ask me "How do you type so fast...?" That was when I knew I was over his head...It was simply time to give him the book which came with his Distro. It explained, in plain English, what a "shell" was and what "command line completion" was about, and many more things. Books that come with "boxed sets" like RedHat or Mandrake are absolutely invaluable to me and many, many others. Everything you could ever want short of being a system admin can be found in those books.
3) I feel that giving my small contribution of money to Linux makes me feel like I am giving to a cause I can relate to, understand, and at times defend very wholeheartedly. I feel computing at times makes me want to vomit and run away from the United States to find a country where intelligent, normal human beings use computers and make the laws. But, then I realize that battles and wars are won, not by the big battles, but sometimes by just a lot of people fighting the good battles. Giving a little to the good and small fight. And if my $50 can one day help a platform like Linux bring reality back into the computing landscape, with a hope for fair competition, standards, and decent laws...then it was a $50 well spent. And a cause I can be proud to say I was a part of...even if in the smallest way
As a matter of fact, I do use Mandrake Linux as the fact that "having fun" has meant a much higher productivity level among myself and my coworkers. Having a commmand line interface and saying that using Mandrake as "playing" neither impresses anyone nor gives the illusion of you having big balls. In fact, it makes you sound like an idiot.
Actually, I completely disagree with you. Apple created a GUI as an integral part of the OS for a good reason. Without Apple doing this, we would still have DOS and have to type WIN to start Windows. I am not sure why people are obsessed with having to create more work for themselves by typing anything to start their GUI, when the main 2 reasons people purchase a computer/OS is for its ease of use and its applications. Apple wasn't the only one to do this...anybody remember OS/2 or BeOS? Nobody wants to see a command line at all if they can help it. Why do you think 99.9% of Linux distributions today load a FB picture at startup, use something graphical to hide the boot sequence, and then autostart X into either KDM or GDM? Because people are visual creatures by design. When I can start my computer, have it completely GUI from boot to shutdown I have a more "complete implementation" feel to my computer than when I have to mess with anything that looks like a command line. When I can change a directory by clicking on a folder icon, dragging my favorites 100 MP3's to my CD-ROM drive, let go of the mouse button, and have it all taken care of I not only save time, I feel like I am actually interacting with my computer, I actually feel like I "moved" it, and once I let go of the button, the MP3's burn the the CD, I hit the eject button, click on "Shutdown" and everything is fine. Would you like to tell me how to do that with a command line without it being a major pain in the ass? Nobody I know wants to use Linux, specifically because the command line gets old really, really, fast. Humans are visual creatures. When a person feels like they are looking at something "real" and they intereact with it in a "real" way, then they are visually and mentally satisfied that something was done...visually done. People don't like to know a "command line" exists at all. Point-->Click...Point-->Drag-->Drop. Simple and effective.
If we can make Linux *completely* GUI without any command line at all, people..."the masses"...with begin to accept it. You can't "brute force" Linux onto people. They will simply begin to hate it and just go back to what is comfortable. I bought my Mom a laptop specifically because she wants to keep in touch with me and save on long distance after I moved. I didn't and will never introduce her to Linux. All she wants to do is send me email and write a letter or two. In Windows, all she has to do is click on Outlook...Windows autodials her ISP, brings up the email client, and when she is done sending me an email, it hangs up for her. That also goes for when she just gets on the internet in general. If she wants to buy some little Create-a-Card program or something, there is no stupid rpm -Uvh foo or anything of that nature. She pops in the CD, it Autoplays for her, and in 10-15 minutes she is happily sending out Christmas cards on her new computer. No shell scripts, no command line, no bullshit whatsoever. And that is just how I like her to be...Happy. And that is how everyone would like to be, including myself. I also know how much I enjoyed BeOs and OS/2 and Macintosh. And in all but the *OLD* MacOs not including MacOS X, you could still get to a command line if you really *needed* to...but with a productive, effective, visual, and elegant GUI, a command line is completely pointless. Without people understanding that *needing* to make things overly *non-visual* such as 90% of Linux, then people are just not going to use it as a Desktop OS.
Ha, ha, ha, ha...Those pictures are absolutely hilarious
1. Young Lolita ---- in the --- by huge ---- 78M
1. Young Lolita hugged in the bus station by huge father before she leaves for college ? 78M
Yup, I didn't see any porn in those pictures at all
I wasn't trolling. And Thank You for proving every point I was trying to make in my post.