I agree. Slashdot has many many members, and probably very few know how to do real machining and welding. Heck, a small percentage of your hot-rod modders knows those things. Add the word quality, and of those that can, you've shot off another 90-5%.
But in that 90% are people with real can-do attitude, that has been my favorite part of watching junkyard wars. Monster Garage, on the other hand has pretty well trained machinists. But it makes the show less entertaining, and less accessible for me the lay-viewer. In fact, what they do is so over my head the producers never really show me how they are doing it.
Its not that these qualities are mutually exclusive. But watching someone show resourcefulness in making make-shift stuff is more along my line of understanding then someone that simply knows how to fabricate it anyway.
I'm not still sure how this works. If I typed "www.google.com", and then hit snap back does it go to the last page I was at in that domain or does it go back to the google home page. I doubt you are hand typing your queries into the URL, unless your one of those "real" programmers of course.
--------------- OnRoad: Why do I like GPL? Its more wholesome, open and collaborative then say GTA3.
And don't get me started on portability. MIPS, Xscale, PPC and other highly efficient chips that people would like to choose from for embedded devices are not fully supported by WinCE. Linux still does more. And WindowsXP will never be ported to them.
These are things I would look at as an investor.
----------------- OnRoad: We know the difference between GPL and say, GTA3.
In autoduel, you could sign up to deliver cargo's or steal cargo from other cars and sell it on the black market. That, I think, makes a good balance in economy that would make it profitable for a certain number of people to be thugs, and a certain number of people to be good guys.
But since black market prices aren't near what you can get on delivery, the economy restricts the number of thugs.
Think of it, for really important loads you can get your friends to drive with you in a mad-max style caravan and fight off raiders. Or you can run up the ranks in arena matches, or just log on to watch the arena matches.
Man I wish I had an autoduel mmorpg.
----------- OnRoad: What racing games do to you. My favorite kind of GPL.
I like them. Perhaps a laptop docking bay for a fast enough pocketPC would be good enough. So far the closest thing I've seen to what I want is a Vadem Clio.
----------- OnRoad: The social ramifications of racing games. Why can't your game be GPL?
AutoDuel (car wars), now there's a game for a MMORPG. Arena fights at scheduled times, a real economy, cross country errands, and friends. Perhaps there is something out there like it?
There isn't a month that goes by that I don't wish I was playing it.
---------------- OnRoad: What racing games do to you. My favorite kind of GPL.
I always thought that those three priorities is why Intel bought the StrongArm technology. I've never been excited about a Transmeta laptop, or Athlon laptop. I'm just sitting back patiently waiting for a long lasting, no heat StrongArm based laptop. Not a PalmPC, a Laptop.
The LART people have even made headway towards an open hardware motherboard for it. Perhaps that will be my only hope. Give me Linux and a LART, and I'd love to make a truely cool tunable ECU w/onboard diagnosis for my car. I read recently where someone did that with a Apple Laptop.
Anyway, thats enough for my sigh/rant on the topic.
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OnRoad: The social ramifications of racing games. Praise GPL!
Those were interesting discussions. I happen to own a VMware liscence, and I use it occasionaly for particular virtualizing needs. I was anxious for Plex86, and mourned the impeding stagnation of the project when the project founder was fired. After two years, I'm still with VMWare.
Meanwhile, VMWare is being eaten at on a few fronts besides Plex86. The most recent evaluation we did for VMWare, pitted its virtual terminal server product against CodeWeavers' Wine server, Citrix, and good ol' Windows 2000. In the end Windows 2000 won, becuase, well, it was already there. Many window's programs have been decided that way.
I don't particulary see a difference in being undercut by a free solution, or being undercut by a built-in the OS solution (*ahem* Netscape). Nor do I see a difference between those undercuts, and being beat out by a better product from a different competitor.
In the end, its the developers obligation to ensure success with a quality feature full product. I think that is why, in the end, some have felt that OSS development models are better. But as far as interaction between Linux programs and free Linux programs, I see nothing out of the ordinary.
------------------ OnRoad: A review of "Piston Envy: The Sociology of Racing Games"
As I understand it that couldn't be further from the truth. Linus has intentionally let everyone keep copyright of their pieces. He said this was to keep one company from buying him (or any two or three) developers.
That makes him different then SleepyCat and others who retain copyright so they can release code under any copyright they wish to (which I also support as useful in some situations).
------------------- OnRoad: The automotive magazine for before your ride home.
I'll agree. Looking back on history, it just seems like there was no motivation like competition.
David Brin points out America is a peculiar society in that its populace considers its golden age to be in the future. But I wonder if that is really so. We already say "back in the day we were on the Moon".
I'm not saying we are past our peak, but I wonder if something like going to the moon will be where historians put American's peak or if we are going to have the courage to do more.
------------------- OnRoad: Reporting what happens in America when the police get out of hand.
I used to leave the cover off my firewall in the garage. That was until I evicted a family of mice in my garage, and they decided to get back at me by using one of the network cards as a restroom. Now any PC that card is plugged into will not even boot.
--------------- OnRoad: dbDrag Racing, now showing...
I like your attitude, but perhaps it is all the more reason to bug the politicians about it. NASA is still a publically funded entity, caught at the whim of politicians and their quid-pro-quo favors. To leave the situation alone could put NASA even more at mercy to these forces.
Supporting NASA, publicaly and politically would send a strong infusion of power to NASA if that is what you wish.
-------------------- Onroad:dB Drag Racing, now showing...
I'm not sure slashdot will answer, its kind of comprimising to do so. I'm much smaller potatoes then they are but I did have an interesting correspondance recently with a site that could give some insite.
Before I did an article on the coolest DIY 29psi Mustang Turbo I've ever seen, I asked Michael (the owner of the car and the site about it) if he would mind me linking to him. He liked the idea, and even appreciated the attention.
But even though I only sent about 200 hits his way (total) it was enough (with the linking on a popular mailing list) to finish off what bandwidth he had left on his free monthly contract with his host. I asked him if he would mind me paying for an upgrade in his service to get around the bandwidth cap, and he actually said no, and he also declined my offer to link directly to a cached copy of his website.
I wonder more now, if we could take a poll of people who have been slashdotted and find out how many thought it was cool, or uncool when it took down their servers. I know there have been real studies of the slashdot effect, now that I'm insterested I'll have to go hunt those down to see if such a poll was administered.
------------------- OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
From my understanding of the Debian policy on patents this is to protect the Debian project from legal liablity
Yeah thats one way to read the sentance "with Debian's patent intollerant behaviour" but not the way I meant it. In this sence patent just means a set way of doing things, as in way of doing things is stuck in intollerant mode.
This was simply a case of Alan not choosing to deal with certain people anymore.
It was a great maneuver, I liked it. I laughed, I cried, I bought the extended DVD. But it shows that kernel developers can give people the baBOOTski just as fast. I see nothing wrong with it myself, but let me be specific, I do see a problem with the previous posters inference that it does not happen in linux or any other GPL development.
Its not that you don't understand this, becuase you said... " isn't an example of GNU vs. BSD licenses but different approaches to structuring an open source development project."
Its just that I can't let you pin my comments as part of a BSD vs GPL flamewar. They simply are not.
------------------- OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
I can't say directly, but indirectly the people that come to my site *ahem*OnRoad a great place for Automotive Engineering discussion *ahem* from slashdot shows that only 20% of them use IE. Opera is only slightly less (15%), with links/linx getting 5%, Netscape getting 20% and Mozilla getting 30%, Pheonix and Galeon get 10%.
From other sites (like ezboards and Yahoo mailing lists) I get a high percentage of IE and AOL users (50%, 35% respectively) and most of the rest are netscape at 10%.
----------------- OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
this general quietness about freedom and the GPL and RMS bashing seemed to be at an acceptable high point the good lads at FreeBSD go and remind us all again what open and freedom is all about.
So, while one person is kicked out of the community for narrow minded and adolescent behavior, you present the Linux community as an example for being able to tolerate RMS?
Fair enough. However, with Debian's patent intollerant behaviour, Alan Cox's famous "Thank you for joining this discussion on (whatever change to the kernel was being advocated) I've now put you all on my kill list," I don't think you have much hole GNU/ground to stand on to make a claim that they haven't shown people the door on occasion.
Besides, since this is all about software freedom, at least this person has the option to do whatever he wants with the code still. He just can't call it "FreeBSD" which is a fair thing. Just ask Theo.
-------------------- OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
Re:I'll have to see the bandwidth tests first.
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X11 over the network is a bandwidth hog, that's all there is to it.
I'll beg to differ, but I admit I'm not sure what the slowness from X comes from. We spent a month or so trying to figure it out once, just becuase we didn't like exceed and didn't want to have to use it. In the long and short of it, bandwidth was ruled out pretty quickly.
Let me explain the background here. So our employees can VPN, we run many apps over X. Its snappier then VNC for the layout people, but has some lag time loading programs, and responding to clicks.
I think a lot of it is client based. Exceed worked great, even on 56k connections. The XFree client (both on windows and Linux) didn't, and hooking up larger and larger pipes didn't seem to effect it. Truth is we never measured that great a bandwidth usage from any of our tests.
I'd be interested in seeing any data you have on what made X so slow, especially if you think it is bandwidth. We even ran the X compression server, and that sped things up a bit, but not reliably.
---------------------- OnRoad: Posting automotive articles is automatic, democratic and fantastic.
It was no secret that they lost tiles on the early missions. I remember seeing it on TV when they practically broadcast the whole missions.
I had a chance to ask a shuttle materials engineer what the deal was, and why we don't hear of tiles just falling off anymore. Apperently they found out that the glue they were using to fasten the ceramic tiles would absorb water, then in space that water would boil off (no atmospheric pressure) and pop off the tiles.
The fix? Silicone adhesive (I think it was just used as a sealant, I can't remember the details). Its the same stuff you buy in the store, but NASA grade. Tile's popping off were no longer a problem, however they get chipped and dammaged quite a bit.
They talk about the insulation that could have dammaged it, but its silicon carbide (hardness next to diamonds) thats on the front of the wings. They are worried about debris in space all the time, some of it traveling at a relative speed of mach 20, puncturing holes even in the silicon carbide.
Another speculated that the tire pressure problems were the tires failing due to excessive heat.
----------------- OnRoad: Posting automotive articles is automatic, democratic and fantastic.
Communications and flight and aircraft and the like
If you get to know a Ranger well enough, you'll learn that its more then smart bombs that are using to knock over targets worldwide these days. Get to know a Marine Recon well enough, and you'll realize we've got human fingers in lots of pies around the world.
----------------- OnRoad: Too High PSI, the story of a turbo and an unassuming Mustang.
Or the ones that heal you above normal health, so that when you do get hit by a rocket you're still healthy.
Me, I'd just like a universal pack that makes anyone's armor glow with god-like energy, and a gun that says "Excellent" when I hit a bunch of people at once.
___________________________ OnRoad: Too high PSI, the story of a turbo and an unassuming Mustang.
Isn't there a marvel comic villain that likes to pin peoples eyes open, and make them watch things? I always thought it was corny, not believable like some mafioso King Pin or a crazy homosidal artist like Joker, or even a rich person like Lex Luther. But now, I wonder...
_________________________ OnRoad: Too high PSI; the story of a turbo and an unassuming Mustang.
Slashdot Mirror
I agree. Slashdot has many many members, and probably very few know how to do real machining and welding. Heck, a small percentage of your hot-rod modders knows those things. Add the word quality, and of those that can, you've shot off another 90-5%.
But in that 90% are people with real can-do attitude, that has been my favorite part of watching junkyard wars. Monster Garage, on the other hand has pretty well trained machinists. But it makes the show less entertaining, and less accessible for me the lay-viewer. In fact, what they do is so over my head the producers never really show me how they are doing it.
Its not that these qualities are mutually exclusive. But watching someone show resourcefulness in making make-shift stuff is more along my line of understanding then someone that simply knows how to fabricate it anyway.
-----------------
OnRoad: Racing Game Subcultures.
I'm not still sure how this works. If I typed "www.google.com", and then hit snap back does it go to the last page I was at in that domain or does it go back to the google home page. I doubt you are hand typing your queries into the URL, unless your one of those "real" programmers of course.
---------------
OnRoad: Why do I like GPL? Its more wholesome, open and collaborative then say GTA3.
And don't get me started on portability. MIPS, Xscale, PPC and other highly efficient chips that people would like to choose from for embedded devices are not fully supported by WinCE. Linux still does more. And WindowsXP will never be ported to them.
These are things I would look at as an investor.
-----------------
OnRoad: We know the difference between GPL and say, GTA3.
In autoduel, you could sign up to deliver cargo's or steal cargo from other cars and sell it on the black market. That, I think, makes a good balance in economy that would make it profitable for a certain number of people to be thugs, and a certain number of people to be good guys.
But since black market prices aren't near what you can get on delivery, the economy restricts the number of thugs.
Think of it, for really important loads you can get your friends to drive with you in a mad-max style caravan and fight off raiders. Or you can run up the ranks in arena matches, or just log on to watch the arena matches.
Man I wish I had an autoduel mmorpg.
-----------
OnRoad: What racing games do to you. My favorite kind of GPL.
how about a sharp zaurus?
I like them. Perhaps a laptop docking bay for a fast enough pocketPC would be good enough. So far the closest thing I've seen to what I want is a Vadem Clio.
-----------
OnRoad: The social ramifications of racing games. Why can't your game be GPL?
AutoDuel (car wars), now there's a game for a MMORPG. Arena fights at scheduled times, a real economy, cross country errands, and friends. Perhaps there is something out there like it?
There isn't a month that goes by that I don't wish I was playing it.
----------------
OnRoad: What racing games do to you. My favorite kind of GPL.
Yes, and big battery. And I think your right, its Windows thats keeping me from having it. Its enough to rekindle the old 1990's hatred against MS ;)
-------------
OnRoad: The social ramifications of racing games. Why can't your game be GPL?
I always thought that those three priorities is why Intel bought the StrongArm technology. I've never been excited about a Transmeta laptop, or Athlon laptop. I'm just sitting back patiently waiting for a long lasting, no heat StrongArm based laptop. Not a PalmPC, a Laptop.
The LART people have even made headway towards an open hardware motherboard for it. Perhaps that will be my only hope. Give me Linux and a LART, and I'd love to make a truely cool tunable ECU w/onboard diagnosis for my car. I read recently where someone did that with a Apple Laptop.
Anyway, thats enough for my sigh/rant on the topic.
------------------
OnRoad: The social ramifications of racing games. Praise GPL!
This is easy enough, I'll bite.
Those were interesting discussions. I happen to own a VMware liscence, and I use it occasionaly for particular virtualizing needs. I was anxious for Plex86, and mourned the impeding stagnation of the project when the project founder was fired. After two years, I'm still with VMWare.
Meanwhile, VMWare is being eaten at on a few fronts besides Plex86. The most recent evaluation we did for VMWare, pitted its virtual terminal server product against CodeWeavers' Wine server, Citrix, and good ol' Windows 2000. In the end Windows 2000 won, becuase, well, it was already there. Many window's programs have been decided that way.
I don't particulary see a difference in being undercut by a free solution, or being undercut by a built-in the OS solution (*ahem* Netscape). Nor do I see a difference between those undercuts, and being beat out by a better product from a different competitor.
In the end, its the developers obligation to ensure success with a quality feature full product. I think that is why, in the end, some have felt that OSS development models are better. But as far as interaction between Linux programs and free Linux programs, I see nothing out of the ordinary.
------------------
OnRoad: A review of "Piston Envy: The Sociology of Racing Games"
I don't know about the others, but as far as browsing, Links2 does an awfully good job.
---------------------
: It gets you there and back again.
As I understand it that couldn't be further from the truth. Linus has intentionally let everyone keep copyright of their pieces. He said this was to keep one company from buying him (or any two or three) developers.
That makes him different then SleepyCat and others who retain copyright so they can release code under any copyright they wish to (which I also support as useful in some situations).
-------------------
OnRoad: The automotive magazine for before your ride home.
Actually I tried automotive electrical parts cleaner, to no avail.
I'll agree. Looking back on history, it just seems like there was no motivation like competition.
David Brin points out America is a peculiar society in that its populace considers its golden age to be in the future. But I wonder if that is really so. We already say "back in the day we were on the Moon".
I'm not saying we are past our peak, but I wonder if something like going to the moon will be where historians put American's peak or if we are going to have the courage to do more.
-------------------
OnRoad: Reporting what happens in America when the police get out of hand.
I used to leave the cover off my firewall in the garage. That was until I evicted a family of mice in my garage, and they decided to get back at me by using one of the network cards as a restroom. Now any PC that card is plugged into will not even boot.
---------------
OnRoad: dbDrag Racing, now showing...
I like your attitude, but perhaps it is all the more reason to bug the politicians about it. NASA is still a publically funded entity, caught at the whim of politicians and their quid-pro-quo favors. To leave the situation alone could put NASA even more at mercy to these forces.
Supporting NASA, publicaly and politically would send a strong infusion of power to NASA if that is what you wish.
--------------------
Onroad:dB Drag Racing, now showing...
Gentoo? A large company?
IBM and Redhat don't already provide commercial desktop support?
Me thinketh that the word needs to get out better.
------------
OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
I'm not sure slashdot will answer, its kind of comprimising to do so. I'm much smaller potatoes then they are but I did have an interesting correspondance recently with a site that could give some insite.
Before I did an article on the coolest DIY 29psi Mustang Turbo I've ever seen, I asked Michael (the owner of the car and the site about it) if he would mind me linking to him. He liked the idea, and even appreciated the attention.
But even though I only sent about 200 hits his way (total) it was enough (with the linking on a popular mailing list) to finish off what bandwidth he had left on his free monthly contract with his host. I asked him if he would mind me paying for an upgrade in his service to get around the bandwidth cap, and he actually said no, and he also declined my offer to link directly to a cached copy of his website.
I wonder more now, if we could take a poll of people who have been slashdotted and find out how many thought it was cool, or uncool when it took down their servers. I know there have been real studies of the slashdot effect, now that I'm insterested I'll have to go hunt those down to see if such a poll was administered.
-------------------
OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
From my understanding of the Debian policy on patents this is to protect the Debian project from legal liablity
Yeah thats one way to read the sentance "with Debian's patent intollerant behaviour" but not the way I meant it. In this sence patent just means a set way of doing things, as in way of doing things is stuck in intollerant mode.
This was simply a case of Alan not choosing to deal with certain people anymore.
It was a great maneuver, I liked it. I laughed, I cried, I bought the extended DVD. But it shows that kernel developers can give people the baBOOTski just as fast. I see nothing wrong with it myself, but let me be specific, I do see a problem with the previous posters inference that it does not happen in linux or any other GPL development.
Its not that you don't understand this, becuase you said... " isn't an example of GNU vs. BSD licenses but different approaches to structuring an open source development project."
Its just that I can't let you pin my comments as part of a BSD vs GPL flamewar. They simply are not.
-------------------
OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
I can't say directly, but indirectly the people that come to my site *ahem*OnRoad a great place for Automotive Engineering discussion *ahem* from slashdot shows that only 20% of them use IE. Opera is only slightly less (15%), with links/linx getting 5%, Netscape getting 20% and Mozilla getting 30%, Pheonix and Galeon get 10%.
From other sites (like ezboards and Yahoo mailing lists) I get a high percentage of IE and AOL users (50%, 35% respectively) and most of the rest are netscape at 10%.
-----------------
OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
this general quietness about freedom and the GPL and RMS bashing seemed to be at an acceptable high point the good lads at FreeBSD go and remind us all again what open and freedom is all about.
So, while one person is kicked out of the community for narrow minded and adolescent behavior, you present the Linux community as an example for being able to tolerate RMS?
Fair enough. However, with Debian's patent intollerant behaviour, Alan Cox's famous "Thank you for joining this discussion on (whatever change to the kernel was being advocated) I've now put you all on my kill list," I don't think you have much hole GNU/ground to stand on to make a claim that they haven't shown people the door on occasion.
Besides, since this is all about software freedom, at least this person has the option to do whatever he wants with the code still. He just can't call it "FreeBSD" which is a fair thing. Just ask Theo.
--------------------
OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
X11 over the network is a bandwidth hog, that's all there is to it.
I'll beg to differ, but I admit I'm not sure what the slowness from X comes from. We spent a month or so trying to figure it out once, just becuase we didn't like exceed and didn't want to have to use it. In the long and short of it, bandwidth was ruled out pretty quickly.
Let me explain the background here. So our employees can VPN, we run many apps over X. Its snappier then VNC for the layout people, but has some lag time loading programs, and responding to clicks.
I think a lot of it is client based. Exceed worked great, even on 56k connections. The XFree client (both on windows and Linux) didn't, and hooking up larger and larger pipes didn't seem to effect it. Truth is we never measured that great a bandwidth usage from any of our tests.
I'd be interested in seeing any data you have on what made X so slow, especially if you think it is bandwidth. We even ran the X compression server, and that sped things up a bit, but not reliably.
----------------------
OnRoad: Posting automotive articles is automatic, democratic and fantastic.
It was no secret that they lost tiles on the early missions. I remember seeing it on TV when they practically broadcast the whole missions.
I had a chance to ask a shuttle materials engineer what the deal was, and why we don't hear of tiles just falling off anymore. Apperently they found out that the glue they were using to fasten the ceramic tiles would absorb water, then in space that water would boil off (no atmospheric pressure) and pop off the tiles.
The fix? Silicone adhesive (I think it was just used as a sealant, I can't remember the details). Its the same stuff you buy in the store, but NASA grade. Tile's popping off were no longer a problem, however they get chipped and dammaged quite a bit.
They talk about the insulation that could have dammaged it, but its silicon carbide (hardness next to diamonds) thats on the front of the wings. They are worried about debris in space all the time, some of it traveling at a relative speed of mach 20, puncturing holes even in the silicon carbide.
Another speculated that the tire pressure problems were the tires failing due to excessive heat.
-----------------
OnRoad: Posting automotive articles is automatic, democratic and fantastic.
Communications and flight and aircraft and the like
If you get to know a Ranger well enough, you'll learn that its more then smart bombs that are using to knock over targets worldwide these days. Get to know a Marine Recon well enough, and you'll realize we've got human fingers in lots of pies around the world.
-----------------
OnRoad: Too High PSI, the story of a turbo and an unassuming Mustang.
Or the ones that heal you above normal health, so that when you do get hit by a rocket you're still healthy.
Me, I'd just like a universal pack that makes anyone's armor glow with god-like energy, and a gun that says "Excellent" when I hit a bunch of people at once.
___________________________
OnRoad: Too high PSI, the story of a turbo and an unassuming Mustang.
Isn't there a marvel comic villain that likes to pin peoples eyes open, and make them watch things? I always thought it was corny, not believable like some mafioso King Pin or a crazy homosidal artist like Joker, or even a rich person like Lex Luther. But now, I wonder...
_________________________
OnRoad: Too high PSI; the story of a turbo and an unassuming Mustang.