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Battlefield Medkits Improve
ApharmdB writes "CNN has an article on the US military's fielding of a bandage containing clotting agents that can stop blood flow within two minutes. Obviously, the hope is that they will save a lot of lives. What's next straight from your favorite FPS? Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?" Those have been around for quite a while.
that's what I want to see on CNN!
..knowing that we're going into this big war... Is that all Bush can think about?
:(
But at least he's giving us the satisfaction of knowing all us draft age people aren't going to bleed to death on the battlefield.
When are they going to make a railgun?
those who are camping next to those medkits. Damnit! Why someone would put a rocket launcher and a mega-health in the same room is beyond me...
Just what those soldiers need, more germs.
The time I got hit by a car on my motorcycle.
Owww!
EMT's should be given these, they could save lots of lives.
Now, my girlfriend at her time in the month...I'm sure she'd like these too! Our sheets thank you.
...do you think we'll see army guys getting to places really quickly when they discover it? :)
...these bandages would make effective tampons?
...not an anti-personnel weapon, but I'm running out of hairs to split.
But do they spin round so you can see them more easily in the heat of battle ?
Spin, little medkit, spin!
graspee
And here I thought they meant Battlefiel 1942... but alas, real world stuff. Next up, microagents in the med kit.
Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?
We don't really need more anti-personnel equipment
War nowadays is more about accuretley knocking out specific enemy targets. Communications and flight and aircraft and the like
Not just killing everybody
America had developed small antipersonnel nukes during the cold war. These are well known of, but they don't see the light of day
Some things are better left unbuilt.
Quake and cousins would be so much more boring if you could only use the rocket launcher against enemy vehicles -- there are a lot fewer of those than enemy troops :)
... coincidence? I think not. They are teleporting them to civilian hospitals!
-pyrrho
I think what the poster meant by "anti-personel" was a smaller hand-held rocket launcher as in Q3. The picture you linked to michael was a rocket launcher used to attack tanks, and bunkers, not humans.
About those anti-personel rocket launchers, we're closer than you may think. The OICW (the next-generation combat weapon being tested for deployment throughout the armed services) includes a computer-aimed grenade launcher which is smart enough to compute a perfect air-burst over a designated target, and which can handle a range of ammunition types.
The next thing we need are little blue vials, so you can raise your health [i]above[/i] 100%.
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The SMAW is anti-armor, not anti-personel. Oh and Slashdot is incredibly slow. Maybe you should invest in some more hardware or bandwidth.
I predict that floating/glowing med kits will be a billion dollar industry by 2008.
The military is also working on personal digital assistant which can help track medical information on soldiers in the field. This could be a good army recruiting tool for us nerds! Brendan
We're just waiting for medkits that work the moment you step on them.
And medkits that can "scale" from healing a minor bruise with one of them to healing multiple gunshot wounds if you have 6 or 7.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of medkits?
he's responding to the story below this one on the main page.
But they where to expensive to mass produce. Thousands for an ounce.
bandage containing clothing
... pampers?
What do they call them
The Davy Crockett
If you work out, you might be able to carry one on each shoulder!
Is this the promised end? Or image of that horror? KING LEAR
Doesn't the military already use a powder that helps clot blood much faster than normal? Similar to the cut stop powder that farmers and ranchers use for animals? Or is this a product that they used to use?
Are there any former/current medics than can shed some light on this?
It's interesting that the new clotting agent permeates a bandage, though.
The only thing that we learn from history is that nobody learns anything from history.
You can by a clotting agent for wounds over the counter at some drug stores - it is called Blood-X, if I recall. Great for your car or home med-kit.
Sure, the SMAW is fun, but the Russians have got that beat--they've developed the Shmel (Bumblebee), a man-portable rocket with a thermobaric (fuel-air explosive) warhead. A brief article is here.
I understand they've also developed thermobaric rounds for RPG-7 rocket launchers, too. And a laser-guided round for the RPG-7 may be available from Israel, as well.
I can't believe we're still using soldiers with blood in them.
Operator, give me the number for 911!
Am I the only one who is wondering if the government is cutting the limbs off of rats, monkeys, sheep, and other animals to see if the clotting agent works or not? I mean seriously - what about the clotting agents that didn't work.
"Who am I" and "Why are we here" are not the problems.
The problem is when someone asks "Why are they here."
I want rope, gas, fire and moss arrows from the Thief series of games!
Trolling is a art,
What I want is an orange suit that dispenses morphine whenever I take damage and lets me run around with a broken leg.
"Whaddaya mean you stapled yourself 127 times?!"
"Lawyers are for sucks."
- Doug McKenzie
One of those regerating creature guns from half life! Ammo costs will be cut to almost 0!
Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?
;)
It's called an M203, law, vlaw, and rpg.
I was at Vulkon Las Vegas that weekend
Worst. Sig. Ever.
... and covering stuff like this. Here's something they don't like: Flat-Out Censorship on CNN
Invest what?
I already beat them up and took their milk-money.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
What happened to the good ol' days? You know, when the army had technology that took 20 years until it showed up in the public marketplace.
For those not in the army, we can enjoy that same tech today.
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Does anybody know if they are using factor VIII protein as their clotting agent? Also, how many dalmations were used in testing this agent before it was released, hmmm?
Check out this article for more info on blood clotting protein research in Seattle.
You could still use the thing against people. If it's going to penetrate tank armor, it will definitely destroy the person that takes a direct hit.
Why is this apparently a lost technology? I couldn't even find mention of it in a google search.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
PEACE!
nuff said
Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?
OICW - Entering service late this decade You can chain fire grenades, set them to explode on impact, just after impact (for penetrating windows) or at a set distance (for exploding over people's heads).
Alternatively, if you want a BIG F***ING GUN, nothing says I love you quite like a GMG (Grenade Machine Gun) - yeah, that's right, a Grenade MG - 40mmx53 grenades, 350 cyclic rate. If I remember rightly, it comes with an optional nightsight (Oh so useful if 350 grenades a minute don't light the target up enough for you)
Great considering no one in the military properly maintains those quits.
Now that is what the truly prepared GI needs!
"Love is a familiar; Love is a devil: there is no evil angel but Love." --William Shakespeare ('Love's Labors Lost')
The army already is looking to buy a BFG.
Take a look at the CRUSADER 155MM SELF PROPELLED HOWITZER
No Frag Limit.
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A lot of medical innovations have come out of the military in the past, much like innovations in other industries (computers, aviation)
Blood plasma comes to mind. Way back some army docs realized that if you lose a huge amount of blood, you're more likely to die of shock simply because your heart has nothing to pump around.
They realized you can use a centrifuge to take out all the red blood cells, dehydrate what's left, and all you need to do is add distilled water and get it into the body of an exsanguinated soldier. Just the fact that theres some fluid in the system for the heart to pump is enough to keep you alive until you can replace the red blood cells, and other gook in there..
It works regardless of blood type, takes less space, and doesn't require refrigeration (keeps longer).
Science has long been at it's best when its at war. Make of that what you will, but it's always been so.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Here's my question... can they be applied using only one hand? This has been a big problem with personal first aid kids for quite some time.
Durning the final couple of months in the last War with Iraq, several companys built hundreds of thousands of Personal GPS's to supply one to every soldier. When the war ended they were stuck with most of their inventory and the public got the GPS's at affordible prices 5 to 10 years quicker than normal military trickle down. I hope the same thing happens with those bandages, otherwise they will be quite expensive for local ER's to stock them. Hell in a few years we could all have them stocked in our home.
'"...and you are standing there without a tool," said Air Force Col. Dr. Dave Hammer.'
"Give me 1.21 jiggawatts ... if you want to live."
...and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
You know what we did for cotting agents? When one of my squad members got his leg blown off, we've piss on a shu-shu leaf and wrap it around the stump.
I always save my last mod point to mod up a good troll. You people are too serious.
It's like the myth about how .50 cal can only be used against material, and not combatants. Even people in the military to this day think that it's not okay to engage humans with the .50, but instead to "shoot their canteens or weapons out of their hands..oops I accidently killed him!" This is a myth, we can engage any combatant with a .50.
.50 cal myth came from when the brass in Vietnam said told Marines and/or soldiers in a particular AO (area of operations) not to engage VC or NVA with the .50 due to ammo resupply issues, and to engage them with M16s, etc.
;)
A Capt of Marines recently told me that the
This was purely to save ammo in one instance. Not due to any international law.
Also, in the Hague convention is where you'd find anything close to regulating ammo used on combatants. Such as "weapons that cause unneeded suffering" such as "exploding bullets."
You've probably seen movies where they use rockets to clear out bunkers. What's the difference in bombing a bunker with an A-10 and firing a rocket in it? Does this make any sense to regulate the use of rockets on personal?
I'd also like to mention that I'd like snopes.com to investigate this
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Another way to stop soldiers from bleeding is for them to stop shooting one another.
No, it's called the OICW.
OICW
The anti-hemorrhagic bandage was developed by Dr. Kenton Gregory at the Oregon Medical Laser Center, and there is much more material about it at the website of the company formed to commercialize the technology, HemCon.
The secret to the patch is a particular formulation of chitin, which is to stay, crabshells. The pro-clotting properties of chitin have been well-known for some time, but Dr. Gregory and his researchers were able to figure out how to make a viable bandage out of it, which hadn't been done before.
The OMLC is working on lots of other cool stuff as well, such as laser suturing (very good for your liver, which won't take thread sutures).
Full disclosure: I'm on their Board of Directors.
gnetwerker
NASA has been investingating railgun satellite launches for 10+ years, if I understand correctly. To date, they have not had great luck.
Amusements parks, including Paramount's Kings Island, have incorporated similar technology (electromagnetic pulse) into rides. They can shoot you, from a level start, to something around 70 mph in the better part of a second.
In an unrelated note, we have teleporters, we have stimpacks. . . Doom, anyone?
We also use the AT-4.
All infantry (03 field) are taught the use of this weapons. The SMAW however is only formally taught to 0351 (infantry assault man).
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FYI. The SMAW isn't designed to be an anti-personnel weapon.
"Mission: To destroy bunkers and other fortifications during assault operations as well as other designated targets with the dual mode rocket and to destroy main battle tanks with the HEAA rocket."
I suppose any weapon (or almost anything else for that matter) could be considered anti-personnel, though the SMAW was designed for another purpose.
...a version for after I shave?
Where's the Quad Damage and the Redeemer?
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I hear they have been making this shoe that holds enough nitroglycerin to blow a passenger jet out of the sky...
This is no great advance from the Carry On Doctor
films from the 1960's...
Sir Lancelot Spratt (in front of patient and team of quaking junior doctors): "You, what's the bleeding time?"
Junior Doctor: "Ummm, ten past three?"
Sir Lancelot Spratt: "Blithering idiot - it's 3 minutes!"
A mere 33% reduction in 40 years. They call this progress?
They'd certainly have to come with warning labels, at least. That way the company that sells them will have covered their ass for when Aunt May has a stroke after slapping on a clotting bandaid to keep her finger from bleeding on her embroidery.
The young men and women the Administration is sending off all volunteered to be in the service, then volunteered again to be in an MOS that would put them in harms way.
This morning a kid I knew growing up AIM'ed to say he was shipping out. He is a Marine Sniper-scout so you can imagine he's not that shocked about being sent off to war. I asked if his rifle was sighted in and he responded with a "Hell yea and I hope I get to go hunting".
The oil interest arguement always makes me shake my head.
Iraq used to export lots of oil to the US, Iraq told the US over and over in the 90s that Iraq would sell the US oil at 2 dollars below market price. Iraq told the US it would cut special deals with US companies.
So what freaking sense is there to going to war for that oil? If it wa all about oil interests it would be cheaper and more responsable t let Iraq keep killing civilians and sell the west oil.
Think GM, Ford, Exxon-Mobil and Halliburton are excited about the prospect of oil hitting 60 dollars a barrel and cutting corporate income?
Show me this empire you speak of, are the Aghanis or Iraqis going to be paying the US taxes? Are we going to force our excess Crystal-meth into thier markets for some income? Are we going to make them change thier customs and language?
If you think the US is empire building, then you need to take a look at what happens when empires are built.
No, he didn't misread. "Anti-personnel" refers to anything that is capable of multiple kills. The distinction between anti-personnel and anti-armor is that anti-armor is designed to penetrate, well, armor. Trust me, if you shoot an anti-armor weapon into a mass of troops, its going to make a mess of the carpet.
Regarding
And by the way, nobody gives a rat's ass about your karma.
I don't know what use these would be since my
experience has been that one has to search and
frag numerous people before ever finding them.
Plus sometimes they are hidden in nonconspicuous
places that if I am injured and being changed
by dudes with rockets, don't really have time to
screw around playing hide and seek.
Not true. That is another version of the "shoot at their belt buckles with the 50 cal." myth. Don't have it handy, but what I remember from my Law of Land Warfare class at my Officers course in the Army is that the Geneva Convention prohibits weapons that are intended to maim, not wound or kill cleanly. Prohibits things such as saw tooth bayonets, dum-dum (hollow point) bullets etc. Heavy Machine Guns, RPG rounds and nukes etc are OK. Go figure. What I do remember is when the JAG Major said that all weapons in the U.S. inventory meet the Geneva Convention requirements and I asked him "What about the M-14(?) toe-popper mine?" he got huffy and locked me up at attention.
I wonder what kind of stim-pak drug they'll have during this war. LSD? Been done. Heroin. Tried that too. Hmm...x-tastey, naw the last thing we want is for the people there to get along. Well I'm sure no matter what it is it will make us "safer" and our troops more effective. And that's what's really important right!
and you are standing there without a tool," said Air Force Col. Dr. Dave Hammer.
Tool, Hammer, anyone else find this funny?
I guess not...
If you kill 50,000 enemy soilders, the country suffers, licks its wounds and gets going again.
If you blind/cripple 50,000 soilders, they need to provide care to theose prople for the rest of their lives and it will probaly cripple the whole country for a couple of generations. Look at what were facing with social security and the boomer bubble. Picture that goin on, along with supporting all the casualtys from WW2 for the last 50 years if they had been blinded instead of killed.
All Troll + "offtopic" mods are meta moderated as "Unfair", because you abused the system.
Ok, just for the sake of argument, I'll pose some questions. (Do us all a favor and rub some brain cells together before you type away.) I'd encourage everyone to answer these questions:
Is it your contention that Saddam Hussein is more trustworthy or credible than Mr. Powell, Ms. Rice, President Bush, Tony Blair, the PMs of Italy, Portugal, etc.. and the President of the Czech Republic? (who was a dissident in the Soviet days, btw)
What would it take for you to support a invasion of Iraq?
Is war ever justifiable?
Is there anything worth putting American (or any) troops in harm's way?
Do you ever blame anything on any other country? Or is everything somehow America's fault?
Yes, it's a blog. Sorry if that offends you.
This is just another example of how science is thwarted by evil warmongering men. All this will do is encourage governments to go to war, in the belief that there will be less casualties.
Of course, bandages will only be available for soldiers. Will somebody think of the (children) collateral damage?
By the way, In Soviet Russia, hemorrages bandage YOU!
Of course, 1.Create clotting bandages. 2. ??? 3. Profit! (Where 2==sell to the US military at outrageously inflated prices).
And, oh, yeah, the bandages arrived too late for BSD. Because it is already, well, you know...
I thought they were talking about Battlefield: 1942. I'm currently holding my breath waiting for the new patch to come out for BF:1942, so it was fresh on my mind.
Synergy is your friend
However, in real life, resupply isn't a matter of picking up extra rockets off your enemies that are somehow the correct caliber and design to fit in your weapon. Consequentially, you tend to save high-powered ammunition for the situations that require them.
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"Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?"
Why? In real life, assult rifles hurt a lot more than they do in some popular FPSs (Half-Life comes to mind).
Besides, FPSs have the advantage of the Incredible Shrinking Ammo, the ability to carry dozens of reloads for that rocket launcher with no detrimental effects.
Oh, and then there's the ability to fire (accurately!) what is essentially a support weapon while walking/running/jumping. And people/objects behind you don't need to worry about backwash...
... troops will be able to walk over medpacks and BAM! you're healed
I thought i had read about this before in wired. This came out around august 2001 Wired August 2001 Here is a link to a company that makes the bandage in case someone needs a few med-kits of their own Company
There's no problem with wounding people.
It's just causing unneeded suffering which is unlawful.
I remember reading that 17% of gun shots wounds are fatal. I think this was a civilian statistic though. Not related exactly but kinda interesting. Who knows what sample of the population they used to determine this though.. they could have included all the accidental foot shootings from hunters, and all the intentional head shots from suicides for all I know.
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To all who are answering my question:
Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?
I apologize for not thoroughly researching my joke.
Question: What will happen in the Middle East, in the next ten years, if nobody attacks Iraq? No, seriously.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
They will need to sneak in and hide these kits throughout a building, and hope they get found... ;)
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
The X-15
It was very common during the "Vietnam era" to shoot dogs and have a Army SF medic-in-training to learn how to patch them up.
This was the preferred method to learn how to fix small arms wounds.
Many said it was invaluable experience (along with the ER experience at different hospitals) before going in to combat.
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Anyone else feel like, with all these wars all the time, that we're playing a human sized game of Worms?
If they are using high grade pure cocaine flakes to cauterize wounds like a lot of places then I doubt they'll be using them for what they intended.
You aren't free to do anything, until you've lost everything.
I want to know how long it will be before they teach Rocket/Grenade Jumping in bootcamp!
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
...can you use them to infect the enemy? Because if you can't, they're just not worth a damn.
Have you ever heard of LandWarrior? The US Army is spending tons of money improving the fighting abilities of infantry and the individual soldier. To win a war you need troops on the ground to take and hold territory.
from the article:
Obviously, the hope is that they will save a lot of lives.
What about not fscking shooting them at first place?!
Consider portability - you fire a small piece of steel at several thousand kph... the recoil is going to blow off your own arm. Every reaction and whatnot...
From Movie Physics in the Classroom:
As Lee observes, "...they said the physics [of the rail gun] were impossible", and we're inclined to heartily agree. The first problem is a nasty little law of physics called conservation of momentum. Briefly, this states that the forward momentum of the bullet must be counteracted by the backward momentum of the gun. The magnitude of an object's momentum is equal to its mass times the magnitude of its velocity, as expressed by the following equation:
p = mv
We know that the bullet is travelling close to the speed of light (3 × 108 m/s). To be conservative, we will assume the bullet travels at only half the speed of light, and that its mass is about the mass of a paper clip (0.0005 kg). For the sake of simplicity, we will ignore the effects of relativity, which would cause the bullet's mass to be even greater. Thus, we calculate the bullet's momentum:
pbullet = (0.0005 kg)(½)(3 × 108 m/s) = 7.5 × 104 Ns
If we assume the mass of the rifle is 10 kg, its backward velocity must be 7.5 × 104 Ns divided by 10 kg, which equals 7500 m/s. Compared to the velocity of a .45 cal bullet going a sedate 330 m/s, our rail gun would be a mite difficult to hold.
Okay, so the gun has a little kickback; so what? Well, let's look at the bullet's kinetic energy, calculated from the equation:
KE = ½mv2
Hence, the kinetic energy of the bullet would be:
KEbullet = (½)(0.0005 kg)(1.5 × 108 m/s)2 = 5.625 × 1012 J
The impact of our bullet would be like blowing up over 1000 tons of TNT. Needless to say this would take out a little more than just Vanessa Williams.
-T
I have a 1910 Encyclopedia Brittanica. My grandparents then obtained the 1920 additional volumns to go with the set. There is a preface in them that says in effect: "There will be no more Brittanicas like the 1910 set. Almost everyone who knew anything and could write such a Brittanica got killed in the war." I notice that the new Brittanicas that I have looked at are not anywhere near as good, or as complete, as the 1910 set. That having been said, we truly live in a golden age, where war can be looked forward to, and with all assurances that we will emerge on the other side with everything we now have. Once great numbers of the productive population are killed in something like a war or plague, then a lot has to be re-invented. The USA has been good at that, and examples are space exploration, and the PC, and all sorts of medical advances, although those are not available, due to high cost, to everyone. Who can look into the future, and say we will emerge on the other side of a big war in one piece? Apparently, the Iraq thing is not to be considered to be a big war, at least not on the scale of USA and Allies vs the Axis in WWII. So the big war has not yet come.
There's no problem with wounding people.
In fact the M-16 was designed specifically with wounding in mind. The .203 caliber bullet is smaller and lighter than the .30 caliber bullets used in previous U.S. military rifles, and the primary reason is because it's more likely to wound rather than to kill. Not to avoid killing, but because if you wound one soldier, you generally take two soldiers out of action -- the one that got hit and the buddy that has to care for him and drag him to safety.
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I wonder if there are any allergies associated with it, or if you have to use a patch that corresponds to your blood type...
I believe that as part of EArmyU (for those eligible) the student soldier is issued a tech package consisting of a laptop, printer, and net access. Off the top of my head, if the student soldier completes 12 semester hours w/in 2 years, the tech package is then theirs.
The young men and women the Administration is sending off all volunteered to be in the service, then volunteered again to be in an MOS that would put them in harms way.
Two points:
1) With the demise of an actual draft in this country, we have developed a poverty draft, where for many kids from disadvantaged backgrounds, the military seems to be the only viable career option, and a good way to pay for college. Obviously there are exceptions, but the military is disproportionaly black and working-class compared to society at large. There's a reason you see more recruiting stations in poor neighborhoods than wealthy ones.
2) So what? They volunteered, therefore our leaders shouldn't give a second thought to risking their lives?
Now, as for oil and empire:
Why does the United States care about Iraq?
Weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) have nothing to do with it. Plenty of governments around the world possess WMDs (including nuclear weapons, which Iraq does not have) in flagrant violation of international law. Several of them, most notably Pakistan, receive the support of the United States. Hell, North Korea is openly posturing itself as an agressive nuclear power, and the administration hardly seems to care. Moreover, Saddam developed his WMD programs in the 1980s with the active support of the Reagan and Bush I administrations.
No, U.S. policy in the Persian Gulf has everything to do with oil. Nobody in the foreign policy establishment denies it. The world's richest supplies of oil are in the Persian Gulf, a region with a number of countries which are unfriendly to the United States. Hence, it is the stated policy of the U.S. government that we will take military action to defend our "interests" there (look up the Carter Doctrine of 1980 sometime if you don't believe me).
In the 1980s, that meant supporting Iraq in its war with Iran, supplying Saddam Hussein with billions of dollars worth of weapons, and looking the other way when he committed acts of genocide against Shi'ites and Kurds (just as the U.S. is looking the other way now while Turkey commits similar atrocities towards its Kurds).
At the end of the '80s, however, Iraq and Kuwait became involved in a dispute over oil prices (Kuwait, friendly to the U.S., was pumping more oil than Iraq and OPEC wanted it to, lowering prices, which hurt Iraq) and slant drilling. In 1990, Saddam made the mistake of invading Kuwait. Everyone knows the story from there.
Fast-forward to 2002, and we've got hawks like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and co. in the administration, and they're hopping mad that some of the world's most valuable oil fields are controlled by a government openly hostile to the United States. Saddam cutting deals with U.S. oil companies isn't a viable option, because he remains in power, becomes much wealthier, and continues to be a thorn in the U.S.'s side.
That's why an anonymous administration official was recently quoted in a news report as saying, "If you were trying to talk about Iraq and if you were not encumbered by the fear that your actions would be linked to ExxonMobil or the oil industry, you'd be talking about oil issues."
As for empire, the Bushies are speakly very openly about a decade-long military occupation, drawing comparisons with Japan. The idea will be to consolidate power (in what would otherwise become a very fractured country) in the hands of a government friendly to U.S. interests. There's also talk that Iran could be next, as part of a broader plan to "democratize" the Middle East (read: create regimes which pose no problems for continued American hegemony in the region).
I don't know about you, but I call that oil imperialism.
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you know what else might "save a lot of lives"? .. not going to a fucking war! how about that one?
I work in the Anomolous Materials lab of a top-secret research facility in the Southwest and these things are all over. They're packed up in crates, but if you bust open a crate the size of two full-grown men you only find one medkit about the size of your head inside!
On top of that, they're hiring all sorts of assholes like that new guy Gordon...
Tim
Omnia vestra castrorum habetur nobis.
Pretty easy to work. Hmmm, it's been a while since I've seen one.. I think it went:
ya, and I know someone will add "??? -- Profit" No easy profit here. Once you blow up the enemy, it's kinda hard to go through the remains of his pockets, assuming you can find them.
BTW, LAWs are for anti-tank and bunker use.. They'll go through 1 foot of armour. It'd make a pretty serious mess against a person too..
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Some Daisy airguns claim 1000 fps, which is 1097 or so km/h. At 100 yards, a 0.223 (same as in our standard infantry rifle) moves at 2865 fps or 3144 km/h. Granted there's a lot more to lethality than speed. How big the object you're pushing at some poor bastard (kinetic energy = 1/2 mass * velocity^2, of course) matters a lot, as does what the bullet does once it's there. A hollow point leaves a much nastier wound than a solid bullet, all other things being equal.
What I want to know is how they manage to prevent the aluminum ring from flying apart at high speeds. Some of the fastest rifle rounds have that problem, and the railgun's supposedly even faster.
What's next straight from your favorite FPS? Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?"
American soldiers in Vietnam had grenade launchers that were primarily used for anti-personell purposes. It's been done, a long time ago.
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Um, no. The SMAW can support dual-purpose warheads as well as dedicated-anti-armor. (And, well, if you aim well enough anti-armor can also be considered anti-personnel. ;-)) It's worth noting though that the SMAW is USMC only (last time i looked). The Army uses AT-4s (and I suppose LAWs if any of those happen to be around). The AT-4 is classified as anti-armor but has enough of a fragmentation effect to be useful against emplaced personnel as well.
Same old false view of the military.
"With the demise of an actual draft in this country, we have developed a poverty draft, where for many kids from disadvantaged backgrounds, the military seems to be the only viable career option, and a good way to pay for college. Obviously there are exceptions, but the military is disproportionaly black and working-class compared to society at large. There's a reason you see more recruiting stations in poor neighborhoods than wealthy ones."
While the military at a whole has higher numbers of minorities, the Combat Arms do not. Infact in combat arms there are fewer minorities than in society as a whole. A poor black from North Portland who is fueling bombers on Diego Garcia isn't in the line of fire, while the farm kid from Faith South Dakota is in the 1st Cav as an M-2 gunner.
"So what? They volunteered, therefore our leaders shouldn't give a second thought to risking their lives?"
Duty, honor, country. Thats what you sign up for when you join the Military. Ours is not to ask why, ours is to do and die.
"Weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) have nothing to do with it. Plenty of governments around the world possess WMDs (including nuclear weapons, which Iraq does not have) in flagrant violation of international law. Several of them, most notably Pakistan, receive the support of the United States. Hell, North Korea is openly posturing itself as an agressive nuclear power, and the administration hardly seems to care. Moreover, Saddam developed his WMD programs in the 1980s with the active support of the Reagan and Bush I administrations."
Iraqi nuclear reactors are French and Russian. The chemical facilities were designed and built by German firms.
"No, U.S. policy in the Persian Gulf has everything to do with oil. Nobody in the foreign policy establishment denies it."
So does French, Chinese and Russian opposition to regime change in Iraq. However, the fact is that if it was ALL about oil, and oil drove everything in the Administration then the sanctions would be lifted and Saddam would be undercutting OPEC. If it was ALL about oil, then there are much easier places to take over and control. Like Nigeria, the Sudan (cut a deal with Egypt, they'd love it), the North Slope of Alaska, the former Soviet Republics, Mexico, Venezuela, South China Sea, or Iran. Iraq isn't the easy way or the simple way, it's a hard way.
The United States occupied Japan for 5 years, and some Japanese territories until 1971, does that make Japan a part of some "American Empire"? Is South Korea part of this "Empire"? Of course not.
Same thing goes for Iraq and Afghanistan.
"unneeded suffering"?
what exactly would "needed suffering" be?
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I'ld be most dissappointed without recourse to that as a weapon. This was the great highlight of DOOM!!!!!
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Anti-personel launchers are (by some reports) considered inhumane (and thus illegal for warfare use). Personel rocket launchers, on the other hands have been around since at least the second world war (Allies called them bazookas. I always thought that Germans called them panzerhausers, but apparently they called them Panzerschreck.
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"This bandage has the potential to save not only my teammate but possibly my friend -- the guy I have lived with, slept with, spent probably more time with than I have if I was married," Army Master Sgt. Michael Brochu said.
If you check the link one piece of ammo for that system is for anti-fortification attacks including bunkers which usually hold personell thus making it an anti-personell device. Besides the real anti-personell rocket launchers are RPG's equiped with fragment or air burst explosives, anything bigger is just wasting heavy explosives which the attacking soldier must carry. My person favorite is the simple m-16 adapter that allows you to attach a standard issue anti-personell grenade to the front of the muzzle and propell it by hitting it with a bullet =)
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You could still use the thing against people. If it's going to penetrate tank armor, it will definitely destroy the person that takes a direct hit.
What about the splash damage, though? As rockets move at appoximately 25 miles per hour, the enemy could easily dodge it. I'd hope that it would have a large splash damage radius, taking at least 30 health points away.
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It's the .223 or 5.56mm caliber.
.223 that you state is very true. The theory is that at high velocities (2700 fps and higher) the bullet will "tumble" and on hitting a target, it will cause multiple wound channels due to the round being unstable and splitting in two or more pieces (including the jacket on the bullet creating another smaller wound channel).
Also, the theory of wounding for the
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.. is the kind of suffering that puts a combatant out of the fight.. smart ass ;)
I'm studying to get my NREMT-Basic certification back in Oregon, and my instructor (a 25 year veteran Paramedic) was really impressed by this stuff.
http://www.traumadex.com
This is a link to their distributor--there is another website for the parent company which has other cool stuff in case the above link doesn't work. Free samples available from the above link!
Apparently, this is being considered for inclusion in the protocols for Paramedic (and EMT-B) folks in Oregon. Neat stuff.
I am still looking for the palm-sized AEDs (Automatic External Defibrillator) that the military is apparently deploying as well. For the cost of a gaming PC, you can buy something that can dramatically improve survival (every minute without defib for pt. in V-Fib or V-Tac decreases chances of survival by 10%, especially without CPR). This might be of more interest to those of us geeks who are, ahem, a bit on the thick side.
Supposedly the OICW, the next generation of personal infantry weapons to be fielded by the US Army, will carry either on the squad level or individually a 20mm "grenade" system that will include corrective targeting features and integrated goodies like talking between the weapons for more exact targeting.
For AP activities I'm not sure why you'd need anything more interesting than a 20mm round. People blow up and die pretty easily. It would be scarier if the Army started talking about field AT capability on every single soldier, since tanks are customarily vulnerable to close quarters infantry anyways. They'll have that eventually though, once every soldier is wired up to be able to call up air support and artillery on an individual basis the Army will basically be nothing more than garrison troops, building checkers, base security, artillery and engineering, and most importantly forward observers.
Iraq does not have nuclear weapons not from a lack of trying. In fact the only reason they don't have a nuclear weapons program is that Israeli pilots in American supplied F-16's going on a mission that was supported with US spy satelite imformation blew up their weaponized nuclear facility (it did not create any power for civilian use and was underground, obviously for military use). As for N Korea, there are three issues there, the fact that they have a larger army than Iraq with a much more hostile terrain, they are near and supported by China, and we believe (and are probably right) that because of the huge cost and the fact that they don't have enough food to feed their people that we can bribe the N Koreans into giving up nukes. Either that or we can get China to squeeze them. And as far a democratizing the middle east, they could only wish, the only country that has done poorly under democratic free trade is the former soviet union, and that is because it is a massive economy that has always lagged the rest of the world (they were still in a peasant mostly agrigarian state entering WWI)
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Just a thought.
You point is well taken, but I would like to toss something back at you about this statement:
"Iraq used to export lots of oil to the US, Iraq told the US over and over in the 90s that Iraq would sell the US oil at 2 dollars below market price. Iraq told the US it would cut special deals with US companies."
But it is even a better deal if US companies are in control. Plus we can leverage our might to get cheaper oil from other contries in the region. Basicaly Saddam is making the region substantially more unstable then it normally is, and we can say sure we'll keep him in check, if you keep the oil cheap.
It is also good to keep the area unstable until Alaska has been mowed over by the oil companies.
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I wonder how long technology like this trickles down to the civilian sector. As a paramedic in New York City our protocol for trauma has always been scoop and run, the thinking being that a trauma patient needs a surgeon, not a paramedic or an EMT.
This technology could easily be used by EMS personell en route with a trauma patient to the ER.
Soldiers injured in combat generally suffer penetrating trauma whether from bullets or shell fragments. So when a bullet or fragment passes through you it's only going to kill you (immediately) if it hits your head, chest, abdomen or a major artery of an extremity. These bandages will help with none of those things. The damage is all on the inside, sealing the external wound does really nothing for fixing the person as they are still bleeding into internal body cavities. The only treatment for this is rapid evacuation to a surgical unit. Bullets (particularly steel-jacketed military rounds) travelling at high velocity will usually leave small entrance/exit wounds but do tremendous internal damage due to cavitation. Cavitation being the large area of tissue disrupted by the shockwaves from the bullet travelling through your body.
This would help stop the bleeding on large lacerations but those can usually be controlled by direct pressure, pressure points, etc. To think that applying these to major arterial bleed to stop it is ridiculous. Unless there is a amputation(and clean amputations will often stop bleeding much on their own after a few minutes) or massive flayed open wound your won't be able to see the artery directly, even then your would have to clamp it or posssibly cauter it.
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--Obviously, the hope is that they will save a lot of lives.
Hmm. Wouldn't effective governments who didn't go to war at all save a lot more lives ?
This just encourages your bloods ability to clot faster, but if your blood lacks that inherent quality (clotting factor VII in hemophiliacs), it won't really help that much.
Besides most of them are dead
They were hit VERY hard from AIDS early on before we caught on that it was transmitted via blood.
Shouldn't be any allergies to it (thrombin/gelatin) - since it's naturally found in everones blood. These thrombin impregnated patches can be used for any blood type. We use them in the OR to stop bleeding.
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Plus, North Korea for all of it's xenophobia and wackyness has shown an ability and a desire to cut deals with Japan, the US, China and South Korea.
North Korea may export terrorist and technology but it hasn't invaded anyone in 50 years and it doesn't gas it's civilians nor does it do shitty things to wetlands or coastal areas.
Iraq invades and invades and shots anti-ship missiles and generally carries on.
North Korea is the wacky guy with the gun, but he'll at least talk about things.
This technology as been around for at least two years.
I though these new fangled band-aid's would be available to the public by now.
Razor cuts are a pain to clot when using a new Gilette.
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Well, with all the people making Quake jokes, this brings to mind something I read in the Washington Post. The special forces are equiped with grenade launchers. They were described as "a larger tube below the barrel of the rifle". I seem to recall them describing the grenades as being about an inch in diameter, and I assume they were cylindrical. They didn't say how many grenades a soldier could comfortably carry (perhaps it's classified). I'm thinking they aren't quite as hefty as the typical WWII grenade that most of us imagine. Imagine a quarter stick of dynamite with a steel jacket... ouch!
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I'm almost surprised at how little information this CNN article has. I work in a coagulation/hematology lab, and I'm actually kinda interested into what this bandage really is. Specifically, I'm really curious what "clotting agents" this bandage has in it. Thrombin (factor II)? Platelet Factor 3? rVIIa?
In Israel, I hear, they give their soldiers a bottle of recombinant tissue-factor thromboplastin. This works ridiculously quickly, and it's standard for use in pathology labs for tests. It activates the intrinsic pathway.
The real problem, anyway, isn't with the clotting, it's with fibrinolysis - breaking the clot down. There are lots of products that will clot your blood very rapidly, but the clot doesn't break down when it needs to and get out of the system. That was one of the problems with the "wound glues" that were being developed. Lots of testing is still being done in this area, I think.
As for haemophiliacs - as someone asked - this bandage won't help them. Haemophilia is caused by a deficiency of one of the clotting factors (VII, VIII, IX, XI). We're currently researching treatment using recombinant activated VII. People seem to develop allergies to other factors, but not VII.
I'll be waiting for active camo, then I'm joining the army. Look out for the active rockets cock.
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rockets move at 25mph????? What world do you live on, more like 600+ mph. If you think you can dodge a rocket after its left the launcher you are nuts (since the max effective distance is 250m against personell it covers that pretty damn quickly)
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"I don't know about you, but I call that oil imperialism."
Long live the Imperium, then.
Maybe when we've successfully subjugated the Middle East militarily, and the rest of the world economically, people will stop trying to kill each other over who's imaginary friend is better.
Ah, hell, at the least, maybe we can get the gub'ment to shove some schweet oil fundage into NASA.
North Korea may export terrorist and technology but it hasn't invaded anyone in 50 years and it doesn't gas it's civilians nor does it do shitty things to wetlands or coastal areas.
So let me get this straight: North Korea shows a decade-long drive to develop nuclear weapons, and is openly hostile to the United States. It also feeds its army while the population suffers from severe famine. Now it's posturing about using nukes, and the Bush administration doesn't seem particularly concerned. But Iraq poses a threat?
Iraq invades and invades and shots anti-ship missiles and generally carries on.
So you're admitting, then, that this isn't about weapons of mass destruction?
Now, you claim that Iraq gasses its civilians, that it "do[es] shitty things to wetlands and coastal areas" (I presume you're referring to the draining of the areas traditionally inherited by the Marsh Arabs), that it "invades and invades," that it "shots [sic] anti-ship missiles" (the only thing I can figure you might be referring to is anti-aircraft fire in the "no fly" zone) and "generally carries on."
Let's take these one by one:
Yes, Iraq did use chemical weapons against civilian populations. This was almost twenty years ago, when Iraq was enjoying the support of the U.S., during the Iraq-Iran War (if memory serves, the U.S. actively supported the use of chemical weapons against Iranians).
Draining of wetlands falls into a similar category as an egregious behavior against a civilian population. Although I'm not entirely sure how different it is from financing dam projects that flood areas also inhabited by indigenous populations, which the World Bank is famous for.
In both cases, it fits the larger trend of the United States supporting governments which commit terrible acts of repression and genocide against their own peoples. (See also: Indonesia, Chile, El Salvador, etc.)
As for Iraq "invad[ing] and invad[ing]," I know of two instances. One was an attempted invasion of Iran, actively supported by the U.S. The other, of course, was the invasion of Kuwait. Both were well over ten years ago.
Now, assuming you refer to Iraq's anti-aircraft fire in the No-Fly Zones, the U.S. and Britain have zero argument under international law. The "No-Fly Zones" are arbitrarily dictated by the U.S. and Britain, without any sort of U.N. mandate. I'm no more in favor of Saddam firing on U.S. pilots than I am of Bush bombing Iraqi civilians, but Iraqi hositility to illegal U.S./U.K. patrolling is hardly a basis for war.
So what we have hear is a litany of accusations, mostly for crimes committed over a decade ago and with the support of the United States, and we're supposed to take this as a case for the U.S. invading in 2003? Even as plenty of other countries have taken similar actions, and many continue to occupy territory illegally under international law (most notably Turkey and Israel)?
Huh?!
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Moreover, it has been known for ages that superglue is excellent for wound closure. You can read about it here:
"...the cyanoacrylate glue (Super Glue) sold over-the-counter and medical cyanoacrylate glues are apparently identical in composition and rumored to the be same as the tissue adhesive used extensively during the Vietnam War."
Um. Of course they don't move at 25 mph. On UT, they do however. Notice how I said "taking at least 30 health points away"?
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