Hmm... well, here's the thing. Debian represents the effort to protect that freedom.
Your talking to someone very familiar with the project. I realize their cautious nervous attitude. But this is a case where they are whining and complaining about the past. Article 6 should be thrown out of the GPL, and is its most legally shakey ground anyway.
"free as in freedom" because they stuck to their rules and licenses.
Yeah, the old party line. I respect them for their zeal and their thouroghness, but not their arrogance for "free means free for me" attitude. Freedom is give and take, and calling someone a bad developer becuase he would rather you compile the code then grab a binary is not "freedom".
They have the same problem with DJB as I recall.
The stipulations they set aren't childish in anyway.
In some sence, no stipulations are childish. Just making a stipulation is a step above being childish, and that seems to be the ground you are coming from here. However, calling these stipulations a guarding of freedom in general is to me "childish".
They are the requirements of their distribution, which is that code/software added to their distro needs to be GPL compabitible.
I laugh every time I install debian and see "Do you want to include non-free material?" with a default set to "no". Then they attack programs and companies for being misleading, and choosing options for people. But Debian seems to justify this in an aristocratic "we're doing whats best for you".
How is that misleading? Non-free is free, if my mother was installing debian she wouldn't understand that those programs come at no cost. Nor would she be into re-distribution. Of course FSF, with an accord from Debian would argue their definition of freedom is *the* definition. How ironic that a organization would rather spell linux with a GNU, yet consider their definition of freedom so universal that they deride those that say GNU/Freedom as mocking.
Its long been their achilise heal, their shiboleth and their sword, and the spring of youth (as in adolescent behavior). Its what it all comes down to isn't it? Anyway I've diverged further from this then I wanted. MPlayer being yet another flame casualty of this crusade is annoying. Even when they come into compliance, some fenatical group would say "but you once decided to violate the GPL, a curse on you forever". Their lack of forgiveness is pitiful.
Is it me or do companies split off and merge at stock market whims? A companies stock goes up for merging, the all merge. When one company makes money from spinning off, they all start spinning off companies.
--------------------- OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
That brings up a very good question. I remember trolls imbedding wronchy stuff in otherwise informative posts just to laugh when moderators modded them up. Its not difficult, when we have 100+ comments a story, its rare that one will be completely read.
What does having to choose from 100+ submissions a day do? I've had submissions get canned, half an hour before someone else's link to the same story goes up. I'm not complaining, but how do they decide and what does that do to a brain?
Doing some moderation on K5, I can tell you that its gruelling after a while. I don't know how they keep up like they do. And now they are in the buisness of multi thousand word stories. A boon to sci-fi for sure, but a drain on editors.
That might be one of the reasons I started my own site, I like the small-town atmosphere of a personal website. I like going out and finding my own content. Doing what these guys do has to be hazardous to the brain.
I hope that by continuing this thread I will not be tempting the fate of these god-like but fallible figures.
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Also, about six months ago one of their libraries they linked to went GPL compatible. I wish I remember the name of it. So why not just LGPL it? Or even freebsd their code?
If that isn't good enough then all I can say is, "come on Debian, be reasonable." Information wants to be free but you're trying set all sorts of childish stipulations on that freedom.
I agree, and I come from an almost exact same background. I've noticed that management tends towards expecting a lot with little investment. "I want this network to work is all! No we don't need any more infrastructure, I don't care if our switches came from K-mart, they worked plenty well at my last job. Don't tell me how it works, tell me what is wrong."
The most succesful IT people know how to reverse that tendancy, or feed off it. Better and more trickier to reverse it. I don't see myself in IT too much longer if I can help it. I'm pretty good at it, but like Methos in the Highlander series, the fights all but gone out of me.
I'd rather get into instruction, or more specialized CAD. If I don't find my way into actually being able to engineer this or another network, its just not worth it. I don't have the nerves to keep putting out fires, or wait for them to happen.
_________________________ OnRoad: Boldly reporting the SUV war from the middle of the road.
We've been discussing this somewhat at work. AFS and CODA do distributed (redundant, not p2p) file serving, and have their own backup system. Thats my favorite option for ensuring live-good data, lots of copies everywhere kept live.
On the other side of the fence is are proponents of very centralized, backed up storage using DVDr's for product snapshots and tapes as a sort of revision control system.
Perhaps some mixture of both is what we'll do, but its the principle I'm talking about!
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I'd bet that most if not all coders get themself copies of their code and keep it in their own portfolio to reuse and recycle it.
I worked for a dot-bomb, and a company that is still around. I erased all of it. Not for security or copyright issues, but becuase there wasn't anything of use.
Most of the broad purpose code was like re-writing CVS (yes I'm not kidding), or gnu-E. One of my qualms in working for those companies was their hush-hush secretive attitude. And when you get past to find out what the secret is, its like "your doing that? Why not just use this GPL code right here?"
I realize my experience might be out of the ordinary, but I got rid of it just becuase I had no use for it.
__________________________________ OnRoad: Boldly reporting the SUV war from the middle of the road.
it really does show that their policy of blaming the users for not patching their systems perhaps isn't the best approach to take.
Recently we had a server crash, and unfortunately it was handling some of our legacy compatibility services. When it went down it, it was amazing how many little things we had always meant to kill off, but couldn't or didn't. Why not? Becuase it was simply safer to keep it running then clean house at that time.
Now we're forced to move on, and shake off the old shackles. It feels good, but I don't like doing it. Every upgrade is a potential break, and its worse that they come at such random intervals.
Its ironic that the "safety" reflex that simultaneously attracts one to Microsoft will make them vulnerable to these kinds of exploits. I admit I feel that safety reflex everytime I have to patch a legacy app, I don't blame the MCSE's for resisting these small patches.
So in essence, I agree. They are victims of their own sense of security. I am a victim of my own sense of security. You know when Thomas Jefferson said a revolution in government every some-odd number of years is a good thing, I wish I could do the same for my network rather then deal with the incremental cruft. But then with a million other sys-admins on this board, I'd cringe doing that too.
I guess theres just no easy answer. It won't work perfectly out of the box, and any change will bring potential problems. Its the duplicity that keeps me employed, yet wrings my guts sometimes.
_____________________________________ OnRoad: Reporting the SUV war from the middle of the road.
I agree. The importance of "JWZ" is lost withough knowing a few of his choice quotes...
"Unix sucks. I use it becuase it sucks less then everything else."
and
"Linux is free only if you do not value your time".
He's an edgy glass-half-empty sort. I like his reading and commentary personally, and think its dead on. But I have never let it deture me from anything, he's just wired to compain about things.
I believe in many C compilers, it is a small int, so theres many many states possible there too, but it interprets anything but zero to be true (or false I can't remember).
For me its much more usefull to find old shows online then live broadcasts. My TV bandwidth is much greater then my internet bandwidth, and I get better clearer pictures.
Instead, I'm more interested in legality of sharing old broadcasts. Some of the best shows (like "Probe") will never be shown again or offered in DVD. We recently threw away boxes of tapes of old "Fall Guy" episodes, and it would be great to watch "Barney Miller" again.
In the case of copyright, Eldred makes my favorite point. That copyrights sould be renewable but for an exponentially higher fee every year. That way the pomposness of the Disney's of the world that still make millions off of 70 year old charectars would not block out the rare but good old shows that have been abandoned.
_________________________ OnRoad: Tempering Detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
Then, as a footnote, at the end of a news broadcast, the program lists some statistic about the environmental impact of SUV's.
Actually this kind of hypocrisy is giving fodder for right-wing pundits more then anything else. For instance, last year after the superbowl, Adrianne online posted a link on how, rather then drugs, SUV's were contributing to foreign terrorism. Lately she's been lambasted from the NY Times Gossip Column and the Washinton Post for her own overt use of energy resources.
I found this out while I was researching a piece for my online car website. I'd rather think that sitting in trees, or walking cross country would be a better way to get the message out.
Combatitive messages like this only puts your enemies farther from you, and only convinces people who already agree with you.
_____________________________ OnRoad: Tempering detroit iron with our own hot air.
I have to agree with you there, magic realism can be rather clever sometimes. "Like Water for Chocolate" was another film adaptation of something from that genre. Its best when it is the most subtle.
I think that its probably more prevelant in the latino (spanish, mexican and italian) cultures though. I think it has to do with how they've seen reality historically.
Its not uncommon to hear of miracles in these cultures, happening as every-day events. One wonders if its perception of reality or reality. That mystery and its inclination for allegorical accentuation makes it one of my favorite genres.
In fact I remember on NPR about a Mexican who wrote three best selling books about his ancestry, but had to fight to have them put into non-fiction. The debate ensued becuase they include events like his a police man not seeing the beer his father was smuggling in the back of a pick-up, when his mother exclaime "God, you owe me!"
Whether or not they are reality, I find real litterary virtue in those events.
_______________________________________ OnRoad: Tempering detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
That reminds me of how easy it is to get an "enthusiastic reaction". When I worked for Spin Records, we always heard how "potential customers reacted enthusiastically to" this and "got very enthusiastic feedback" from that. One of the investors was a group of Hassidic Jews, I wonder how much "enthusiasm" they got there.
But it just reminds me of the old TV gag, where they put up a taste test of lemonade and put the cameras in plain view. Only its not lemonade, its lemon juice. You watch the people fight sour expressions to extoling their enthusiasm about the product, just for their 15 minutes.
I'm not overly pessimistic here or anything, but when you mentioned "looking over his shoulder" thats what came to mind.
________________________________ OnRoad: Tempering detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
Those focus groups managed to turn a very sweet concept into my Dad's Oldsmobile.
Theres something you and I agree on. Focus groups often ruin a good thing. Whether or not a "talking car" is one of those good things is open to personal interpretation.
Flamewar? This is the tamest flamewar I've ever seen.
And potentially the most trivial. Wait, no. I seem to remember plenty of flame wars on Slashdot over much more trivial things.
You are sure bent on making a flame war on something pretty dumb.
Seems like you made the same mistake that GM made.
My mistake is not the same. I simply don't like a talking car. GM's mistake was making one, since people in general said they don't like a talking car.
This isn't measured in blind suppositions like "Sales are down, better remove the talking option", Its measured in direct focus groups in which people are given different talking options. I don't know what the results of these were, but I know that cars don't talk any more, and I know what I would have said.
I would have told them that I listen to the radio, other passengers, and CD's. Theres no reason that I need the car to interupt that (or be missed because of it) to talk to me when a simple light does the same thing.
I should be CEO of General Motors or something.
Reminds me of when Homer designed an automobile...
By the way, I'm writing my opinion on this up as a part of an article I'm submitting on my site; Onroad, feel free to meet me there on Monday.
Nooo you don't. Fighter pilots have talking airplanes, and are very annoyed with them. I have no idea what I'd want my car to say to me if it could. Probably "Nice Job", "Good corner".
There are MANY hardware products out there that have been killed because of software issues like this.
True, and a ten year old car is not *that* old. But I put faith in two things, the rough-rummagers that are the after-after-after market for cars that balance the universe filled with car manufacturers bent on making disposable cars. And in this case, the adaptability of the Open Source movement.
I know people were afraid of computers in cars back when the EEC-IV was almost mandated by Ford in its cars. In a way it was a heavy handed bid to make cars less accessible, and more disposable. If we can't fix our cars, then we have to junk them.
"How are we going to be able to access our cars?". But it wasnt a few years until the wrench-heads were on top of the ECU in general and putting out mod chips and whatever. And while people junked their cars more, the junk yard riders started multiplying like Orks in the mountains.
In this case it might take an unlikely marraige of wrench heads and geeks. I know that Linux is installed on many WindowsCE devices, and perhaps this could mean the dream come true for the software/automobile hacker. Yes you too can sell PerlMod scripts that increase your performance by 20+hp!
______________________________ OnRoad:How to make money off u-pull-it parts.
Thats an echo I hear from 1983 when the Cadillacs and Lincons had a voice system. "Your door is ajar... Your door is ajar" was repeated more frequently, but not by much, as the existential despair of people saying "I expect to see this kind of system in many cars of the future".
Digital watches, talking cars are all replaced back with good old dials and switches. I think the only reason the remote control won out over the dials is becuase its barely easier to use then getting up out of your seat.
____________________________________ OnRoad: How to make money off u-pull-it parts.
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Hmm... well, here's the thing. Debian represents the effort to protect that freedom.
Your talking to someone very familiar with the project. I realize their cautious nervous attitude. But this is a case where they are whining and complaining about the past. Article 6 should be thrown out of the GPL, and is its most legally shakey ground anyway.
"free as in freedom" because they stuck to their rules and licenses.
Yeah, the old party line. I respect them for their zeal and their thouroghness, but not their arrogance for "free means free for me" attitude. Freedom is give and take, and calling someone a bad developer becuase he would rather you compile the code then grab a binary is not "freedom".
They have the same problem with DJB as I recall.
The stipulations they set aren't childish in anyway.
In some sence, no stipulations are childish. Just making a stipulation is a step above being childish, and that seems to be the ground you are coming from here. However, calling these stipulations a guarding of freedom in general is to me "childish".
They are the requirements of their distribution, which is that code/software added to their distro needs to be GPL compabitible.
I laugh every time I install debian and see "Do you want to include non-free material?" with a default set to "no". Then they attack programs and companies for being misleading, and choosing options for people. But Debian seems to justify this in an aristocratic "we're doing whats best for you".
How is that misleading? Non-free is free, if my mother was installing debian she wouldn't understand that those programs come at no cost. Nor would she be into re-distribution. Of course FSF, with an accord from Debian would argue their definition of freedom is *the* definition. How ironic that a organization would rather spell linux with a GNU, yet consider their definition of freedom so universal that they deride those that say GNU/Freedom as mocking.
Its long been their achilise heal, their shiboleth and their sword, and the spring of youth (as in adolescent behavior). Its what it all comes down to isn't it? Anyway I've diverged further from this then I wanted. MPlayer being yet another flame casualty of this crusade is annoying. Even when they come into compliance, some fenatical group would say "but you once decided to violate the GPL, a curse on you forever". Their lack of forgiveness is pitiful.
Thanks, I really think you hold the key there.
Is it me or do companies split off and merge at stock market whims? A companies stock goes up for merging, the all merge. When one company makes money from spinning off, they all start spinning off companies.
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OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
That brings up a very good question. I remember trolls imbedding wronchy stuff in otherwise informative posts just to laugh when moderators modded them up. Its not difficult, when we have 100+ comments a story, its rare that one will be completely read.
What does having to choose from 100+ submissions a day do? I've had submissions get canned, half an hour before someone else's link to the same story goes up. I'm not complaining, but how do they decide and what does that do to a brain?
Doing some moderation on K5, I can tell you that its gruelling after a while. I don't know how they keep up like they do. And now they are in the buisness of multi thousand word stories. A boon to sci-fi for sure, but a drain on editors.
That might be one of the reasons I started my own site, I like the small-town atmosphere of a personal website. I like going out and finding my own content. Doing what these guys do has to be hazardous to the brain.
I hope that by continuing this thread I will not be tempting the fate of these god-like but fallible figures.
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OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
Also, about six months ago one of their libraries they linked to went GPL compatible. I wish I remember the name of it. So why not just LGPL it? Or even freebsd their code?
If that isn't good enough then all I can say is, "come on Debian, be reasonable." Information wants to be free but you're trying set all sorts of childish stipulations on that freedom.
I agree. As I saw it...
Gabucino: No thats not true becuase of X, Y and Z.
Debian Zealot: Noo! I can't trust your information now becuase your just wrong!
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OnRoad: It gets you there and back again.
I agree, and I come from an almost exact same background. I've noticed that management tends towards expecting a lot with little investment. "I want this network to work is all! No we don't need any more infrastructure, I don't care if our switches came from K-mart, they worked plenty well at my last job. Don't tell me how it works, tell me what is wrong."
The most succesful IT people know how to reverse that tendancy, or feed off it. Better and more trickier to reverse it. I don't see myself in IT too much longer if I can help it. I'm pretty good at it, but like Methos in the Highlander series, the fights all but gone out of me.
I'd rather get into instruction, or more specialized CAD. If I don't find my way into actually being able to engineer this or another network, its just not worth it. I don't have the nerves to keep putting out fires, or wait for them to happen.
_________________________
OnRoad: Boldly reporting the SUV war from the middle of the road.
We've been discussing this somewhat at work. AFS and CODA do distributed (redundant, not p2p) file serving, and have their own backup system. Thats my favorite option for ensuring live-good data, lots of copies everywhere kept live.
On the other side of the fence is are proponents of very centralized, backed up storage using DVDr's for product snapshots and tapes as a sort of revision control system.
Perhaps some mixture of both is what we'll do, but its the principle I'm talking about!
_____________________________
Onroad: Boldly reporting the SUV war from the middle of the road.
I'd bet that most if not all coders get themself copies of their code and keep it in their own portfolio to reuse and recycle it.
I worked for a dot-bomb, and a company that is still around. I erased all of it. Not for security or copyright issues, but becuase there wasn't anything of use.
Most of the broad purpose code was like re-writing CVS (yes I'm not kidding), or gnu-E. One of my qualms in working for those companies was their hush-hush secretive attitude. And when you get past to find out what the secret is, its like "your doing that? Why not just use this GPL code right here?"
I realize my experience might be out of the ordinary, but I got rid of it just becuase I had no use for it.
__________________________________
OnRoad: Boldly reporting the SUV war from the middle of the road.
it really does show that their policy of blaming the users for not patching their systems perhaps isn't the best approach to take.
Recently we had a server crash, and unfortunately it was handling some of our legacy compatibility services. When it went down it, it was amazing how many little things we had always meant to kill off, but couldn't or didn't. Why not? Becuase it was simply safer to keep it running then clean house at that time.
Now we're forced to move on, and shake off the old shackles. It feels good, but I don't like doing it. Every upgrade is a potential break, and its worse that they come at such random intervals.
Its ironic that the "safety" reflex that simultaneously attracts one to Microsoft will make them vulnerable to these kinds of exploits. I admit I feel that safety reflex everytime I have to patch a legacy app, I don't blame the MCSE's for resisting these small patches.
So in essence, I agree. They are victims of their own sense of security. I am a victim of my own sense of security. You know when Thomas Jefferson said a revolution in government every some-odd number of years is a good thing, I wish I could do the same for my network rather then deal with the incremental cruft. But then with a million other sys-admins on this board, I'd cringe doing that too.
I guess theres just no easy answer. It won't work perfectly out of the box, and any change will bring potential problems. Its the duplicity that keeps me employed, yet wrings my guts sometimes.
_____________________________________
OnRoad: Reporting the SUV war from the middle of the road.
I agree. The importance of "JWZ" is lost withough knowing a few of his choice quotes...
"Unix sucks. I use it becuase it sucks less then everything else."
and
"Linux is free only if you do not value your time".
He's an edgy glass-half-empty sort. I like his reading and commentary personally, and think its dead on. But I have never let it deture me from anything, he's just wired to compain about things.
I believe in many C compilers, it is a small int, so theres many many states possible there too, but it interprets anything but zero to be true (or false I can't remember).
I think the point is that if you are not making money, let it go to the public domain. The size of the corporation is going to change the bottom line.
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OnRoad: Tempering Detroit iron with our own hot-air since, well, last week.
If I remember right, its
True
False
Undefined
Null
And one more.
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OnRoad: Tempering Detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers.
Good one. (heh, thats a joke, good one).
Is there any concept in OpenSource like a boolean that can hold 5 values? If I remember my VB, their boolean holds something like that.
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OnRoad: Tempering Detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
For me its much more usefull to find old shows online then live broadcasts. My TV bandwidth is much greater then my internet bandwidth, and I get better clearer pictures.
Instead, I'm more interested in legality of sharing old broadcasts. Some of the best shows (like "Probe") will never be shown again or offered in DVD. We recently threw away boxes of tapes of old "Fall Guy" episodes, and it would be great to watch "Barney Miller" again.
In the case of copyright, Eldred makes my favorite point. That copyrights sould be renewable but for an exponentially higher fee every year. That way the pomposness of the Disney's of the world that still make millions off of 70 year old charectars would not block out the rare but good old shows that have been abandoned.
_________________________
OnRoad: Tempering Detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
Then, as a footnote, at the end of a news broadcast, the program lists some statistic about the environmental impact of SUV's.
Actually this kind of hypocrisy is giving fodder for right-wing pundits more then anything else. For instance, last year after the superbowl, Adrianne online posted a link on how, rather then drugs, SUV's were contributing to foreign terrorism. Lately she's been lambasted from the NY Times Gossip Column and the Washinton Post for her own overt use of energy resources.
I found this out while I was researching a piece for my online car website. I'd rather think that sitting in trees, or walking cross country would be a better way to get the message out.
Combatitive messages like this only puts your enemies farther from you, and only convinces people who already agree with you.
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OnRoad: Tempering detroit iron with our own hot air.
Its not a doll its an action figure! There's a difference.... Your just picking on me becuase you're insecure.
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OnRoad Tempering detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
I have to agree with you there, magic realism can be rather clever sometimes. "Like Water for Chocolate" was another film adaptation of something from that genre. Its best when it is the most subtle.
I think that its probably more prevelant in the latino (spanish, mexican and italian) cultures though. I think it has to do with how they've seen reality historically.
Its not uncommon to hear of miracles in these cultures, happening as every-day events. One wonders if its perception of reality or reality. That mystery and its inclination for allegorical accentuation makes it one of my favorite genres.
In fact I remember on NPR about a Mexican who wrote three best selling books about his ancestry, but had to fight to have them put into non-fiction. The debate ensued becuase they include events like his a police man not seeing the beer his father was smuggling in the back of a pick-up, when his mother exclaime "God, you owe me!"
Whether or not they are reality, I find real litterary virtue in those events.
_______________________________________
OnRoad: Tempering detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
That reminds me of how easy it is to get an "enthusiastic reaction". When I worked for Spin Records, we always heard how "potential customers reacted enthusiastically to" this and "got very enthusiastic feedback" from that. One of the investors was a group of Hassidic Jews, I wonder how much "enthusiasm" they got there.
But it just reminds me of the old TV gag, where they put up a taste test of lemonade and put the cameras in plain view. Only its not lemonade, its lemon juice. You watch the people fight sour expressions to extoling their enthusiasm about the product, just for their 15 minutes.
I'm not overly pessimistic here or anything, but when you mentioned "looking over his shoulder" thats what came to mind.
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OnRoad: Tempering detroit iron with our own hot air since, well, last week.
Those focus groups managed to turn a very sweet concept into my Dad's Oldsmobile.
Theres something you and I agree on. Focus groups often ruin a good thing. Whether or not a "talking car" is one of those good things is open to personal interpretation.
Flamewar? This is the tamest flamewar I've ever seen.
And potentially the most trivial. Wait, no. I seem to remember plenty of flame wars on Slashdot over much more trivial things.
You are sure bent on making a flame war on something pretty dumb.
Seems like you made the same mistake that GM made.
My mistake is not the same. I simply don't like a talking car. GM's mistake was making one, since people in general said they don't like a talking car.
This isn't measured in blind suppositions like "Sales are down, better remove the talking option", Its measured in direct focus groups in which people are given different talking options. I don't know what the results of these were, but I know that cars don't talk any more, and I know what I would have said.
I would have told them that I listen to the radio, other passengers, and CD's. Theres no reason that I need the car to interupt that (or be missed because of it) to talk to me when a simple light does the same thing.
I should be CEO of General Motors or something.
Reminds me of when Homer designed an automobile...
By the way, I'm writing my opinion on this up as a part of an article I'm submitting on my site; Onroad, feel free to meet me there on Monday.
Nooo you don't. Fighter pilots have talking airplanes, and are very annoyed with them. I have no idea what I'd want my car to say to me if it could. Probably "Nice Job", "Good corner".
There are MANY hardware products out there that have been killed because of software issues like this.
True, and a ten year old car is not *that* old. But I put faith in two things, the rough-rummagers that are the after-after-after market for cars that balance the universe filled with car manufacturers bent on making disposable cars. And in this case, the adaptability of the Open Source movement.
I know people were afraid of computers in cars back when the EEC-IV was almost mandated by Ford in its cars. In a way it was a heavy handed bid to make cars less accessible, and more disposable. If we can't fix our cars, then we have to junk them.
"How are we going to be able to access our cars?". But it wasnt a few years until the wrench-heads were on top of the ECU in general and putting out mod chips and whatever. And while people junked their cars more, the junk yard riders started multiplying like Orks in the mountains.
In this case it might take an unlikely marraige of wrench heads and geeks. I know that Linux is installed on many WindowsCE devices, and perhaps this could mean the dream come true for the software/automobile hacker. Yes you too can sell PerlMod scripts that increase your performance by 20+hp!
______________________________
OnRoad:How to make money off u-pull-it parts.
Thats an echo I hear from 1983 when the Cadillacs and Lincons had a voice system. "Your door is ajar... Your door is ajar" was repeated more frequently, but not by much, as the existential despair of people saying "I expect to see this kind of system in many cars of the future".
Digital watches, talking cars are all replaced back with good old dials and switches. I think the only reason the remote control won out over the dials is becuase its barely easier to use then getting up out of your seat.
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OnRoad: How to make money off u-pull-it parts.