I think there is much to be learned from a deeper look at what intelligence is. Many seem to have an intuitive (read knee-jerk) understanding of it and don't probe deaper.
The universe tends to chaos, entropy in the universe increases all the time. What does this exactly mean? Well essential the order or ability to predict any given state is most probably incorrect, and the probability of it being incorrect is increasing.
Inherantly though, intelligence is what brings an order to chaos. Intelligence is what "cleans" your room or makes a filesystem of random inodes. Intelligence is the application of order to an unorganized system. We have intelligence, we can see an order and we can also sometimes create order.
Mathematics is one byproduct of intelligence. One thing we learn from it is that a creation of intelligence is relative to one very often unascribed value to the universe, purpose. Things are created to fill a need. Evolution is one description of how this happens with random choice, where the purpose of the mutation is judged in the order of the viability in its environment.
Therefore the purpose of a mutation is to maybe produce better viability, right? Only when applied to its environment. In other words it might not have a purpose on its own, but one is made when it interacts with its environment. That interaction is intelligence, and its result has an order.
Now universal purpose is not "God". Purpose is simply the rational or desire for something that brings about the use of intelligence, and creates the particular order.
This leads to the saying "There is intelligence behind every creation, and a purpose behind every intelligence."
But that is where the debate is these days isn't it. Is everything the product of randomness or intelligence and pupose? Hoyle just comes down squarely on the side that life is a product of intelligence, rather than randomness. Where does this intelligence come from, how is it envoked? I suppose some things are left to discover.
The recent/. posting on "The Erotic Life of Code" has some of the best commentary on how chaos and intelligence co-exist in an observable medium. I suggest reading that if you are more interested.
Just for the debate there was a slashdot post a long time ago which I think is the next elevation of these topics. He mentioned that the evolutionary produced intelligence is most contrived and not sufficient to create a universe.
Natural selection only produces things that are dependant on an environment. For something to be truely viable it needs to be able to create everything its existence depends on.
His example was evolutionary programs running on a computer to be truely viable would be able to create a powerstation, computers, etc... thus ensuring its own viability. However one soon comes to the conclusion that for a being to have such intelligence they would be a god, with the ability to create him/her/whatever self and the universe that they live in. This intelligence would then apply itself to creating life.
Maybe then, if there is such a viable intelligence that it created a universe capable of churning out more like itself. Able to create more universes when they actually apply more intelligence than just environmental viability. They would need a desire to manipulate its environment....
They might even be considered "Childred of God". Its painful to think about, but not implausible. At least as painful to think about all the iterations it requires to produce life randomly, and what then created the environment to produce it?
Lets see, where to start. Oh yeah I liked this one...
You obviously have not understood the point of moderation points
Yeah, but the great slashcode god keeps giving them to me anyway. I hope some day that it will be proud of my decisions and I will be justified for my actions. In the mean time, Angry evil half-step-brother of slashcode named Anonymous Coward is displeased with such actions. [you sense a struggle between Slashcode and Anonymous Coward, you feel the power of Anonymous Coward decrease.]
What else did I like, oh yeah right before it...
You say that it is I who does not understand before posting, but it is you who continues to insist that moderation downwards is a more important task than moderating upwards.
Am I missing something? Those seem to be unrelated points and the latter is totaly unsupported and false. I don't know that I need to compare you to a black hole, but on your second point, the moderator guidelines do mention that it is better to mod up than down. That is why I think the informative posts deserve top billing.
I've said it before but I'll put it even more plainly. I'm for moderating up good posts. I'm for moderating up funny posts, they are good. I'm just for moderating up informative posts becuase they are usefull and good. Sometimes its just unfortunate that a moderation cap gets in the way.
You keep wanting to say that I want to mod people down in some superiority trip. Indeed ascribing evil motives to personal choices is one step away from admitting you have no intelligent input. That step is just realizing it for yourself first.
In fact you never mention a good reason why funny posts should rate as high as intelligent posts, did you. I waited but all I got was some personal slander, misrepresentation of actions and not even someone to stand behind the comments.
You tried to re-enforce your misrepresentation with redundancy by repeating the first sentance twice even though I showed it false, twice. Is this what I'm supposed to accept as lucid argument? Keep saying it but won't make it true.
Moderating on slashdot is one thing. Making life changes to value systems is another, and I'll need real reasons to do that. I don't think I should change because some AC thinks such actions are a superiority complex, or the result of a vacious mind. If you can't understand what is going on, why should I listen to you?
Let me end with this one, its classic brown-boxing...
Do you feel that only those posts that you deem important are *real*?
All posts are *real*. Some are just real stupid, some are real clever, some are real useless and some are real informative. Not all posts are created equal. And yes, I moderate accordingly according to my own value judgement. Do you not moderate by your own judgement system? If not, what value system do you use to moderate?
I've had plenty of people complain about things that I do. Your not the first, you are not even the first to complain about something I do that everyone else does.
I like constructive criticism, I appreciate diversity of thought and even seek it out. In the end, I give you the same challenge I give anyone else who doesn't like what I'm doing.
If you can show me something better to do, I'll do it. It's what we call being open minded, but that means you actually have to come up with reasoning. I'm here to tell you that if all your going to do is complain (and all you have done is complain) then it will fall on deaf ears. Theres too much to life to stop and listen to someone who is just a critic.
So your way of contributing to the discussion is to pound down posts that you don't like instead of raising up ones that you think are important?
Coward,
That is *a* way to contribute, but its not my way. Not to put to fine a point on it, I never said I didn't like funny posts. They are just overrated when put next to *real* posts. You should probably pay more attention. Read the sig, take it to heart and join us again sometime.
The movie you reference was clearly about the Conservative government, as was "Conspiracy Theory."
Its "Primary Color's", "Wag the Dog" and "Dave" that are about the liberal government. Yep just happy go lucky, comical *harmless* shmoes you'd rather have over for dinner anyway. We^H^HThey have no sophisticated tracking equipment or anything else to be afraid of. Just love and concern for every American.
No go your way, and be happy. Lets all just be happy and get a long.
Shortly after your cosmetological experiments with a curling iron and motor oil, Slashdot made it so you can't post and moderate in the same discussion.
In the mean time not all of us have intelligent input on all topics. So the logical conclusion is if you have something to say, say it. If you don't --moderate.
it is funny, but I'm glad the previous poster pointed out what he did.
However much it kills my karma, I always use my moderator points to moderate down all +5 funny comments because information and insights are more valuable than comedy.
Well, the occasional Simpson-quality post that is insightful and put in a funny way I leave alone.
I know, "give me convenience or give me death!" Next week your ticked when gumball machines require quarters.
Two problems with your post that make it not-credible and only good for the minor troll value it is ascribed.
1) I've played Freeciv. No where did I run scripts, configure files, use command lines, etc. And this was a year ago. So you ascribing that to Freeciv makes you either incompetant or trolling with a straw man.
2) They want to play the game. The last 99% of software development is making it fool proof, and in the end you wind up just lobotomizing the interface so the user can't hurt themself. I can see where you would need this, but they don't.
In any case, its not for political reasons you are marked as a troll. Its just your lack of understanding that makes you act that way. We actually really do understand and want to help...
Where your troll of saying software should be easy to configure to slashdotters is as unimagionative as pointing out plot holes in a Star Wars Forum; Ivan used to troll on the opposite point. They were so inspired that they would get a lot of responces.
He said that computers should be difficult so as to weed out the evolutionary chaff. Then people would really learn how to use computers. Then they would be truely powerful, and not spoonfed imbiciles demanding "Convenience or Death!"
Now, lets raise the bar a bit and see if you can do something more imaginative next time.
Now, if we could only bring back meeeept. Oh well, his day is probably gone, Slashdot is too diverse to focus in on a mindset to pick on.
And I envoke the law of you are stupid for not knowing what Godwin's law is. It does not censor useful discussion where Nazi's are mentioned, like this one. It simply states that when political arguments get long in the tooth, they seem to bring up Nazi's for emotional effect.
Contrast that with this poster mentioning that charisma is often a well weilded weapon. Indeed Hitler studied for months on exagerated poses to increase effectiveness with large audiences, Balmer must have also.
Now as an intelligent (notice the contrast here from you) poster mentioned, he should have contrasted the motives. Where Balmer is motivating a workforce, Hitler was motivating a malicious army to commit heinous acts. That is a real and notable difference. Balmer might not be holy in his intentions but they are far from being like Hitler.
Never the less, it is an accurate and fair warning that sometimes popular masses get entranced with charisma and do stupid things. For more enlightnement on this topic, watch 'The Prisioner' series. Envoke a intelligent response with allegories from it or the Simpsons instead of calling for censorship. Or just ignore it.
So in dear memory of Godwin's law, to blankley envoke a usenet flame control guideline as a method of censorship are the very same steps down the very path that Hitler lead a nation down and did very stupid things. I chose not to follow them, therefore I do not follow your envoking of Godwin's law.
A permanent place needs to be found that is a problem, but so far there hasn't been a problem.
Now they have the problem of how to keep their agreement with the Kyoto achords. But in a fools paradise it is very logical, getting rid of all those bad plants. Indeed it is a success! But how are they going to make power and keep their agreement?
...people would realize that this post was no where near insightful.
We read a post where people are spending lots of money to expand this and other forms of clean energy. The winning car was $1M with grants from major oil companies and car componies! Thats a lot of money for a car that will only take a one way trip and will never break 2k miles.
And then he writes as if speaking to a world ignorant to this he wishes people would relize we could expand on this and other forms of clean energy... And gets moderated up for it?
Many other well informed posts actually discuss the practicality and requirements of this and other clean technologies. They are informative, insightful and educational. In the interest of real science Read them, this is mearly a fool looking for a paradise.
He would have pulled the same crap going on in Germany. He would have supported Kyoto in speach and even denounced those who didn't follow it, just like you said.
But what you missed is that he would then turn around and get rid of every "always been running, never had a problem and never had a problem with waste storage" nuclear plant.
Clinton loved maneuvers like that where he could say one thing and do another, and still look like the good guy. The man lived in, and helped others live in a fool's paradise. Sorry you had to come back to the real world, it doesn't look like you are taking it very well.
Other than that, it's just: "Oh no a T-Rex, don't move! Its vision is based on movement." "Oh no, Raptors. They are smart, they set up us the trap".
...Don't even bother going.
You obviously took your own advice. Either you didn't have the money to, or your parents didn't let you, see the movie. If you did you would have known those lead-ins produced very different results. Almost to the point of parody.
The great part of JP3 was how it lead you in with stock plot contrevance but played on what you expected to happen next. I for one enjoyed the ride.
Sorry if I'm just picking on you, there are a many posts like this. This goes out to all of them.
I don't know, after some Bush is to blame for this posts like (#255, #230,) and the ones that would conflict with this post (#44, #142) I don't know who to believe. After all, you state cold provable facts that are straight forward and devoid of emotional agenda. They leave no room for the political bigotry we crave on slashdot!
Could you just rephrase your facts as vague accusations like theirs? Add more sensationalism too while your at it.
Okay that was sarcasm and now I'm serious, I wish more people would state facts so plainly. They are easily proven or disproven and a very welcome change to the armchair intellectual accusations slammed about in this forum. I thank you. Now I'm going to go check it out.
I've been singing that song lately myself. I just bought a home with a lush green lawn, and proceeded to kill 40% of it. In the summer it needs *much* more water than in the winter. It caught me off guard.
I'm trying to bring it back with reseeding efforts, punding it with a screw driver, and altering the sprinkling system, but who knows if any of that will take.
naw, he didn't die. TNG also had many plots of putting people in a different "phase". Kirk was what they described then as in a different universe but he didn't die. The used the transporter to bring him out of that dimention or phase. (Right dimentions and phases are different in reality but are a rough parallel between 50's and 90's Sci-Fi.)
I'm sorry, but they had as good a plot lines as WWF or Monday Nitro...
Amidst this Bab5 love fest, I must point that out. Now I enjoy all of them don't get me wrong. And I can enjoy some intelligence and universality behind the plot formulations that have been used since the beginning of time. But as far as intelligent, no. They are just plucking away at emotions like a one string guitar Appealing not to intelligence but to base emotion. Its what I like about Dragonball Z after all.
I've been programming the Express 2000 WebStorage, which uses WebDav among other things. I don't think the open source community sees what is coming at them this time. Workflow Designer, WebStorage, folders as automatical page builders, and other things. Ximian may be looking at the wrong place, we may not need an Outlook clone as much as we need an Exchange clone.
We'll see. Now I get to do the same thing in PHP and I'll see how they both stand up. Right now Exchange is kicking our tails with this problem and that. Its a good idea in theory, and it is its first iteration.
As I understand it, your partly right and mostly wrong. (Bad form to say your wrong in the first sentance I know, but hey time is short.)
As is was pointed out when we were *really* discussing this (back before MS cared about slashdot) these aren't bundled for free. They cost money, sure its the same as the previous release that didn't have those programs (that you can't buy any more) but it isn't free. Its more like you are forced to buy them also.
Now lets see, you aren't even forced to buy RedHat, so it really must have something to do with it being done by MS.
As an aside, the GPL is unamerican becuase it undermines real for profit alternatives? Now heres the twist in logic that will keep your head spinning... Why if this for free attitude is bad is it okay for MS to "give" these programs away? Wait a second on that reply trigger, remenber MS has actually been ruled in a court of law (and recently upheld) to actualy be undermining good american competition with that practice.
So yeah the debate was over a long time ago. Resurfacing the same dead arguments is only going to resurface their problems. But go right ahead. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.
Slashdot Mirror
I think there is much to be learned from a deeper look at what intelligence is. Many seem to have an intuitive (read knee-jerk) understanding of it and don't probe deaper.
The universe tends to chaos, entropy in the universe increases all the time. What does this exactly mean? Well essential the order or ability to predict any given state is most probably incorrect, and the probability of it being incorrect is increasing.
Inherantly though, intelligence is what brings an order to chaos. Intelligence is what "cleans" your room or makes a filesystem of random inodes. Intelligence is the application of order to an unorganized system. We have intelligence, we can see an order and we can also sometimes create order.
Mathematics is one byproduct of intelligence. One thing we learn from it is that a creation of intelligence is relative to one very often unascribed value to the universe, purpose. Things are created to fill a need. Evolution is one description of how this happens with random choice, where the purpose of the mutation is judged in the order of the viability in its environment.
Therefore the purpose of a mutation is to maybe produce better viability, right? Only when applied to its environment. In other words it might not have a purpose on its own, but one is made when it interacts with its environment. That interaction is intelligence, and its result has an order.
Now universal purpose is not "God". Purpose is simply the rational or desire for something that brings about the use of intelligence, and creates the particular order.
This leads to the saying "There is intelligence behind every creation, and a purpose behind every intelligence."
But that is where the debate is these days isn't it. Is everything the product of randomness or intelligence and pupose? Hoyle just comes down squarely on the side that life is a product of intelligence, rather than randomness. Where does this intelligence come from, how is it envoked? I suppose some things are left to discover.
The recent
Just for the debate there was a slashdot post a long time ago which I think is the next elevation of these topics. He mentioned that the evolutionary produced intelligence is most contrived and not sufficient to create a universe.
Natural selection only produces things that are dependant on an environment. For something to be truely viable it needs to be able to create everything its existence depends on.
His example was evolutionary programs running on a computer to be truely viable would be able to create a powerstation, computers, etc... thus ensuring its own viability. However one soon comes to the conclusion that for a being to have such intelligence they would be a god, with the ability to create him/her/whatever self and the universe that they live in. This intelligence would then apply itself to creating life.
Maybe then, if there is such a viable intelligence that it created a universe capable of churning out more like itself. Able to create more universes when they actually apply more intelligence than just environmental viability. They would need a desire to manipulate its environment....
They might even be considered "Childred of God". Its painful to think about, but not implausible. At least as painful to think about all the iterations it requires to produce life randomly, and what then created the environment to produce it?
Whoa! Lots of fun tonight for you isn't it.
Lets see, where to start. Oh yeah I liked this one...
You obviously have not understood the point of moderation points
Yeah, but the great slashcode god keeps giving them to me anyway. I hope some day that it will be proud of my decisions and I will be justified for my actions. In the mean time, Angry evil half-step-brother of slashcode named Anonymous Coward is displeased with such actions. [you sense a struggle between Slashcode and Anonymous Coward, you feel the power of Anonymous Coward decrease.]
What else did I like, oh yeah right before it...
You say that it is I who does not understand before posting, but it is you who continues to insist that moderation downwards is a more important task than moderating upwards.
Am I missing something? Those seem to be unrelated points and the latter is totaly unsupported and false. I don't know that I need to compare you to a black hole, but on your second point, the moderator guidelines do mention that it is better to mod up than down. That is why I think the informative posts deserve top billing.
I've said it before but I'll put it even more plainly. I'm for moderating up good posts. I'm for moderating up funny posts, they are good. I'm just for moderating up informative posts becuase they are usefull and good. Sometimes its just unfortunate that a moderation cap gets in the way.
You keep wanting to say that I want to mod people down in some superiority trip. Indeed ascribing evil motives to personal choices is one step away from admitting you have no intelligent input. That step is just realizing it for yourself first.
In fact you never mention a good reason why funny posts should rate as high as intelligent posts, did you. I waited but all I got was some personal slander, misrepresentation of actions and not even someone to stand behind the comments.
You tried to re-enforce your misrepresentation with redundancy by repeating the first sentance twice even though I showed it false, twice. Is this what I'm supposed to accept as lucid argument? Keep saying it but won't make it true.
Moderating on slashdot is one thing. Making life changes to value systems is another, and I'll need real reasons to do that. I don't think I should change because some AC thinks such actions are a superiority complex, or the result of a vacious mind. If you can't understand what is going on, why should I listen to you?
Let me end with this one, its classic brown-boxing...
Do you feel that only those posts that you deem important are *real*?
All posts are *real*. Some are just real stupid, some are real clever, some are real useless and some are real informative. Not all posts are created equal. And yes, I moderate accordingly according to my own value judgement. Do you not moderate by your own judgement system? If not, what value system do you use to moderate?
I've had plenty of people complain about things that I do. Your not the first, you are not even the first to complain about something I do that everyone else does.
I like constructive criticism, I appreciate diversity of thought and even seek it out. In the end, I give you the same challenge I give anyone else who doesn't like what I'm doing.
If you can show me something better to do, I'll do it. It's what we call being open minded, but that means you actually have to come up with reasoning. I'm here to tell you that if all your going to do is complain (and all you have done is complain) then it will fall on deaf ears. Theres too much to life to stop and listen to someone who is just a critic.
So your way of contributing to the discussion is to pound down posts that you don't like instead of raising up ones that you think are important?
Coward,
That is *a* way to contribute, but its not my way. Not to put to fine a point on it, I never said I didn't like funny posts. They are just overrated when put next to *real* posts. You should probably pay more attention. Read the sig, take it to heart and join us again sometime.
The movie you reference was clearly about the Conservative government, as was "Conspiracy Theory."
Its "Primary Color's", "Wag the Dog" and "Dave" that are about the liberal government. Yep just happy go lucky, comical *harmless* shmoes you'd rather have over for dinner anyway. We^H^HThey have no sophisticated tracking equipment or anything else to be afraid of. Just love and concern for every American.
No go your way, and be happy. Lets all just be happy and get a long.
Shortly after your cosmetological experiments with a curling iron and motor oil, Slashdot made it so you can't post and moderate in the same discussion.
In the mean time not all of us have intelligent input on all topics. So the logical conclusion is if you have something to say, say it. If you don't --moderate.
Thank you for your time,
Or make it so that you can give preference to certain moderations so they appear higher in the page.
it is funny, but I'm glad the previous poster pointed out what he did.
However much it kills my karma, I always use my moderator points to moderate down all +5 funny comments because information and insights are more valuable than comedy.
Well, the occasional Simpson-quality post that is insightful and put in a funny way I leave alone.
I saw it, it was great!
It was true action packed commentary through the whole thing..
"Oh, look at the faces of his team-mates. They don't like what they are seeing. What do you think Jim, why is he using this strategy?"
"Wait, if he could just get a *** card, then his opponent will be open for the attack"
"There it is! He could not have drawn a better card! The game is over, his teamates are extatic! [geeks hopping around hugging each other]"
It was solid entertainment. Too bad one couldn't tell the difference between these expert teams and all the other games I've seen.
I know, "give me convenience or give me death!" Next week your ticked when gumball machines require quarters.
Two problems with your post that make it not-credible and only good for the minor troll value it is ascribed.
1) I've played Freeciv. No where did I run scripts, configure files, use command lines, etc. And this was a year ago. So you ascribing that to Freeciv makes you either incompetant or trolling with a straw man.
2) They want to play the game. The last 99% of software development is making it fool proof, and in the end you wind up just lobotomizing the interface so the user can't hurt themself. I can see where you would need this, but they don't.
In any case, its not for political reasons you are marked as a troll. Its just your lack of understanding that makes you act that way. We actually really do understand and want to help...
Where's Ivan Tchekov when you need him?
Where your troll of saying software should be easy to configure to slashdotters is as unimagionative as pointing out plot holes in a Star Wars Forum; Ivan used to troll on the opposite point. They were so inspired that they would get a lot of responces.
He said that computers should be difficult so as to weed out the evolutionary chaff. Then people would really learn how to use computers. Then they would be truely powerful, and not spoonfed imbiciles demanding "Convenience or Death!"
Now, lets raise the bar a bit and see if you can do something more imaginative next time.
Now, if we could only bring back meeeept. Oh well, his day is probably gone, Slashdot is too diverse to focus in on a mindset to pick on.
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And I envoke the law of you are stupid for not knowing what Godwin's law is. It does not censor useful discussion where Nazi's are mentioned, like this one. It simply states that when political arguments get long in the tooth, they seem to bring up Nazi's for emotional effect.
Contrast that with this poster mentioning that charisma is often a well weilded weapon. Indeed Hitler studied for months on exagerated poses to increase effectiveness with large audiences, Balmer must have also.
Now as an intelligent (notice the contrast here from you) poster mentioned, he should have contrasted the motives. Where Balmer is motivating a workforce, Hitler was motivating a malicious army to commit heinous acts. That is a real and notable difference. Balmer might not be holy in his intentions but they are far from being like Hitler.
Never the less, it is an accurate and fair warning that sometimes popular masses get entranced with charisma and do stupid things. For more enlightnement on this topic, watch 'The Prisioner' series. Envoke a intelligent response with allegories from it or the Simpsons instead of calling for censorship. Or just ignore it.
So in dear memory of Godwin's law, to blankley envoke a usenet flame control guideline as a method of censorship are the very same steps down the very path that Hitler lead a nation down and did very stupid things. I chose not to follow them, therefore I do not follow your envoking of Godwin's law.
From what I understand its not the over-perscription of anti-biotics that builds immunities, its the under-perscription.
For example, there are more cases of anti-biotic immune diseases in parts of the world with the least medicine than where anti-biotics are prevelant.
anyways, very tired from an engine swap. Have to leave it at that.
~^~~^~^^~~^
never had a problem as in...
Anyone ever been injured by it?
Any vegitation been harmed?
A permanent place needs to be found that is a problem, but so far there hasn't been a problem.
Now they have the problem of how to keep their agreement with the Kyoto achords. But in a fools paradise it is very logical, getting rid of all those bad plants. Indeed it is a success! But how are they going to make power and keep their agreement?
~^~~^~^^~~^
...people would realize that this post was no where near insightful.
We read a post where people are spending lots of money to expand this and other forms of clean energy. The winning car was $1M with grants from major oil companies and car componies! Thats a lot of money for a car that will only take a one way trip and will never break 2k miles.
And then he writes as if speaking to a world ignorant to this he wishes people would relize we could expand on this and other forms of clean energy... And gets moderated up for it?
Many other well informed posts actually discuss the practicality and requirements of this and other clean technologies. They are informative, insightful and educational. In the interest of real science Read them, this is mearly a fool looking for a paradise.
~^~~^~^^~~^
You worship Clinton like an intern....[shudder]
He would have pulled the same crap going on in Germany. He would have supported Kyoto in speach and even denounced those who didn't follow it, just like you said.
But what you missed is that he would then turn around and get rid of every "always been running, never had a problem and never had a problem with waste storage" nuclear plant.
Clinton loved maneuvers like that where he could say one thing and do another, and still look like the good guy. The man lived in, and helped others live in a fool's paradise. Sorry you had to come back to the real world, it doesn't look like you are taking it very well.
~^~~^~^^~~^
Riiiiiight? [something about voices]
No! this is from Left field. Get it? Left field! HA!
~^~~^~^^~~^
Yeah!
Best sig ever! Where else do you match far east proverbs with east-kentucky moon-shine singing folklore.
~^~~^~^^~~^
Other than that, it's just: "Oh no a T-Rex, don't move! Its vision is based on movement." "Oh no, Raptors. They are smart, they set up us the trap".
...Don't even bother going.
You obviously took your own advice. Either you didn't have the money to, or your parents didn't let you, see the movie. If you did you would have known those lead-ins produced very different results. Almost to the point of parody.
The great part of JP3 was how it lead you in with stock plot contrevance but played on what you expected to happen next. I for one enjoyed the ride.
Sorry if I'm just picking on you, there are a many posts like this. This goes out to all of them.
~^~~^~^^~~^
I don't know, after some Bush is to blame for this posts like (#255, #230,) and the ones that would conflict with this post (#44, #142) I don't know who to believe. After all, you state cold provable facts that are straight forward and devoid of emotional agenda. They leave no room for the political bigotry we crave on slashdot!
Could you just rephrase your facts as vague accusations like theirs? Add more sensationalism too while your at it.
Okay that was sarcasm and now I'm serious, I wish more people would state facts so plainly. They are easily proven or disproven and a very welcome change to the armchair intellectual accusations slammed about in this forum. I thank you. Now I'm going to go check it out.
~^~~^~^^~~^
heh, like the sig.
I've been singing that song lately myself. I just bought a home with a lush green lawn, and proceeded to kill 40% of it. In the summer it needs *much* more water than in the winter. It caught me off guard.
I'm trying to bring it back with reseeding efforts, punding it with a screw driver, and altering the sprinkling system, but who knows if any of that will take.
~^~~^~^^~~^
naw, he didn't die. TNG also had many plots of putting people in a different "phase". Kirk was what they described then as in a different universe but he didn't die. The used the transporter to bring him out of that dimention or phase. (Right dimentions and phases are different in reality but are a rough parallel between 50's and 90's Sci-Fi.)
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I'm sorry, but they had as good a plot lines as WWF or Monday Nitro...
Amidst this Bab5 love fest, I must point that out. Now I enjoy all of them don't get me wrong. And I can enjoy some intelligence and universality behind the plot formulations that have been used since the beginning of time. But as far as intelligent, no. They are just plucking away at emotions like a one string guitar Appealing not to intelligence but to base emotion. Its what I like about Dragonball Z after all.
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hmm interesting.
I've been programming the Express 2000 WebStorage, which uses WebDav among other things. I don't think the open source community sees what is coming at them this time. Workflow Designer, WebStorage, folders as automatical page builders, and other things. Ximian may be looking at the wrong place, we may not need an Outlook clone as much as we need an Exchange clone.
We'll see. Now I get to do the same thing in PHP and I'll see how they both stand up. Right now Exchange is kicking our tails with this problem and that. Its a good idea in theory, and it is its first iteration.
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As I understand it, your partly right and mostly wrong. (Bad form to say your wrong in the first sentance I know, but hey time is short.)
As is was pointed out when we were *really* discussing this (back before MS cared about slashdot) these aren't bundled for free. They cost money, sure its the same as the previous release that didn't have those programs (that you can't buy any more) but it isn't free. Its more like you are forced to buy them also.
Now lets see, you aren't even forced to buy RedHat, so it really must have something to do with it being done by MS.
As an aside, the GPL is unamerican becuase it undermines real for profit alternatives? Now heres the twist in logic that will keep your head spinning... Why if this for free attitude is bad is it okay for MS to "give" these programs away? Wait a second on that reply trigger, remenber MS has actually been ruled in a court of law (and recently upheld) to actualy be undermining good american competition with that practice.
So yeah the debate was over a long time ago. Resurfacing the same dead arguments is only going to resurface their problems. But go right ahead. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.
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better to use rtf and call it Word 5.0 compatible.
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