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It has been admitted that the PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Most of it was seperate bills that failed during the Clinton administration and that most Republicans opposed at the time. Funny how things "change" when you get into power.
Lawrence Lessig, a Law Professor from Stanford University told an audience at this years Fortune's Brainstorm Tech conference in Half Moon Bay, California, that "There's going to be an i-9/11 event" which will act as a catalyst for a radical reworking of the law pertaining to the internet.
Lessig also revealed that he had learned, during a dinner with former government Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke, that there is already in existence a cyber equivalent of the Patriot Act, an "i-Patriot Act" if you will, and that the Justice Department is waiting for a cyber terrorism event in order to implement its provisions.
During a group panel segment titled "2018: Life on the Net", Lessig stated:
There's going to be an i-9/11 event. Which doesn't necessarily mean an Al Qaeda attack, it means an event where the instability or the insecurity of the internet becomes manifest during a malicious event which then inspires the government into a response. You've got to remember that after 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.
The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.
Of course, the Patriot Act is filled with all sorts of insanity about changing the way civil rights are protected, or not protected in this instance. So I was having dinner with Richard Clarke and I asked him if there is an equivalent, is there an i-Patriot Act just sitting waiting for some substantial event as an excuse to radically change the way the internet works. He said "of course there is".
You can find that talk on google video.
On a flu related note, the google flu tracker really scares me. I pointed out in the discussion about it that Executive Order 13375 adds
(c) Influenza caused by novel or reemergent influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic
to Executive Order 13295 Relating to Certain Influenza Viruses and Quarantinable Communicable Diseases.
That simply means that our government can pre-emptively quarantine an area that may cause a pandemic. The language "reemergent" is also troubling to me since it has been admitted that they have recreated the 1918 flu virus.
Or perhaps you've been watching the X-Files recently.
I wouldn't be too worried about Armadillo Aerospace, at least yet. If the name changes to Union Aerospace Corporation or Roush, then it may be time to worry.
Or you could game the system to try and force the government to pre-emptively quarantine an area. Have a neighbor you don't like? Log on to his wireless network and spam google with symptoms 24 hours a day!
The free market can not exist in environments where the government gives special monopolies to a few companies. The only real competition in this market is for these companies to protect their monopolies.
John D. Rockefeller said, "Competition is a sin."
A great muckraking book on this topic is Confessions of a Monopolist, written in 1903.
This kind of thing has been going on ever since the Supreme Court brazenly declared that a corporation has the same rights as a natural person.
Obama voted for giving the telecom's immunity for their illegal wiretapping.
Obama voted for the $700 billion corporate handout which many experts are saying it'll cost $5 trillion.
Who said I was pro Bush? Can't someone not like either?
Could you please tell me where in the Constitution does it give the power of any branch of the government to forcibly take part in anything? That's exactly what Obama is saying he is going to do.
Is your response for every bad thing Obama wants to do going to be, "but Bush!" That's pretty sad.
-Obama's Chief of Staff's own book isn't a good source?
It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service....
-Obama's and Hillary's own words on MTV isn't a good source?
. . one of the things that I've proposed, for example, is that I will give a $4000 tuition credit - every student, every year - so that they are not being loaded up with enormous debts, uh, but there will be a community service - a national service component. The military could be one way for you to get this $4000 tuition credit. Another way would be to work in an under-served school that needs help. Another way would be to work in an under-served hospital or a homeless shelter, or a veterans home. The point is, I think it is important for young people to serve."
-Obama's own words during a speech isn't a good source?
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded," Obama told a Colorado Springs audience earlier this month.
The article I took that from has dozens of mainstream sources back up its claims.
-The text of a bill that will probably serve as the framework for a possible draft isn't a good source?
To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.
So are you somehow implying that because everything I say isn't from ABCNNBCBS my facts somehow are biased?
"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood....
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Has Palin said that she would force everyone to learn creationism and not evolution? No.
So why should it matter what she believes in? Obama spent 20+ years in a black liberation theology church. According to your logic he'd be forcing that view on every school in America, which is obviously not the case.
Government control of education has been the thing that is destroying it. Neither candidate is against it, so to me neither are the correct choice.
Fun Fun Fun in the fluffy chair Flame up the herb Woof down the beer [click!] Hi I'm your video DJ I always talk like I'm wigged out on Quaalude's I wear a satin baseball jacket everywhere I go
My job is to help destroy What's left of your imagination By feeding you endless doses Of sugar-coated mindless garbage
So don't create Be sedate Be a vegetable at home And thwack on that dial If we have our way even you will believe This is the future of rock and roll
How far will you go How low will you stoop To tranquilize our minds with your sugar-coated swill
You've turned rock and roll rebellion Into Pat Boone sedation Making sure nothing's left to the imagination
M.T.V. Get off the M.T.V. Get off the M.T.V. Get off the air Get off the air
See the latest rejects from the muppet show Wag their tits and their dicks As they lip-sync on screen There's something I don't like About a band who always smiles Another tax write-off For some schmuck who doesn't care
M.T.V. Get off the air And so it was Our beloved corporate gods Claimed they created rock video Allowing it to sink as low in one year As commercial TV has in 25 "It's the new frontier," they say It's wide open, anything can happen But you've got a lot of nerve To call yourself a pioneer When you're too god-damn conservative To take real chances.
Tin-eared Graph-paper brained accountants Instead of music fans Call all the shots at giant record companies now
The lowest common denominator rules Forget honesty Forget creativity The dumbest buy the mostest That's the name of the game
But sales are slumping And no one will say why Could it be they put out one too many lousy records?!?
Just look at the votes in the New Hampshire primary. The places that did hand counting (about 15%) in NH had Barack Obama winning. The places that did optical scan had Hillary Clinton winning.
You can go to blackboxvoting or bradblog to find a lot of good articles during that time period.
There is still the possibility of vote switching with the software and the use of memory cards. It is pretty easy to do with just a few corrupt individuals.
Yes, there is a paper trail which makes it better. However, if you don't follow the chain of custody of the paper trail it makes it easy to rig a recount. Blackboxvoting had some great articles showing the boxes they used to "secure" the paper votes (giant holes in the boxes) and the "seals" which were nothing but fancy post-it notes.
The only way to know if an election is rigged or not is to have a hand counted paper ballot with plenty of people volunteering to make sure it is fair.
The price of liberty is constant vigilance.
Ballot access for independent candidates would still be a problem. Many third party candidates have to spend half of their money raised to get ballot access.
What is wrong with just giving out pieces of paper with the elections you are voting on and make people write in the candidate they want? If you don't know the name of the person you are voting on for a position, don't vote!
Google HQ is right next to Moffett Federal Airfield, which used to be an active military base. It is now used by NASA Ames, which is a giant research facility. Earlier this year Google announced a joint venture with NASA and are leasing space inside the AMES research facility. The founders also pay a lot to have their private commercial jet to be housed there. I find it interesting that the 7th Psychological Operation Group is also stationed at Moffett Field.
So Google is already working together with the military and military industrial complex very closely in an airbase that could easily become active at any time.
Your joke wasn't as far off as you thought! Pity you were modded flamebait.
Do you really think the corporations who really run this country would allow an independent person be in charge of trillions of dollars? Not very likely.
On the big issues there isn't much difference between the two. They both supported the bailout. Both candidates top contributors are investment banks like Goldman Sachs. They both support more war, although they bicker over who can best protect you from Al-Qaeda! They both support redistribution of wealth, one to people who are already rich and don't deserve it and the other to people who simply don't deserve it.
Please see my signature for a simple analogy most slashdot readers can understand.
Langly: "You look down, Mulder. Tell you what, you're welcome to come over Saturday night. We're all hopping on the Internet to nitpick the scientific inaccuracies of Earth 2."
So where in the Constitution does it allow Congress to give away its power to declare war to the President, or give away its power to coin money, or give away its power to appropriate $700 billion?
The Constitution is flawed in that all 3 branches of government break their oath to it constantly.
It wouldn't surprise me if big "accidents" happen with the internet in the next 4 years. Then corporations and the government (what's the difference now a days?) will come out with an idea similar to Internet 2.0 and cloud computing. It'll look a lot like cable TV subscriptions. You won't have control over your content and will lose most of your anonymity and 1st amendment rights.
The governments primary function is to prented to fail. Then it says, we need more money and power in order to fix our incompetence! Then the government gets more control and a few big corporations get a little bit more guarenteed profits. There, I just explained most of human history for you. Good day sir!
But in all seriousness, there is a reason why they use the word possibility. That means there may or may not be life. A fossil would mean there is proof of life. They say possiblity because it interests most people. Just saying they found more water than expected is boring. We already know there is water there. How much water there is doesn't mean much to most people.
I got modded down for pointing out that Colin Powell made a 1 hour speech of known lies to the UN to make our case for going to war with Iraq? I guess now that he endorsed Obama he must be a great guy again!
That speech he gave was from a paper written by a post-graduate student in 1990. He and others knew it but he gave the speech anyway. Without that speech there would have been a lot more people against the war from the beginning.
It really is too bad I didn't make i to a +5 troll. that would have made my day:)
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It has been admitted that the PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Most of it was seperate bills that failed during the Clinton administration and that most Republicans opposed at the time. Funny how things "change" when you get into power.
Lawrence Lessig, a Law Professor from Stanford University told an audience at this years Fortune's Brainstorm Tech conference in Half Moon Bay, California, that "There's going to be an i-9/11 event" which will act as a catalyst for a radical reworking of the law pertaining to the internet.
Lessig also revealed that he had learned, during a dinner with former government Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke, that there is already in existence a cyber equivalent of the Patriot Act, an "i-Patriot Act" if you will, and that the Justice Department is waiting for a cyber terrorism event in order to implement its provisions.
During a group panel segment titled "2018: Life on the Net", Lessig stated:
There's going to be an i-9/11 event. Which doesn't necessarily mean an Al Qaeda attack, it means an event where the instability or the insecurity of the internet becomes manifest during a malicious event which then inspires the government into a response. You've got to remember that after 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.
The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.
Of course, the Patriot Act is filled with all sorts of insanity about changing the way civil rights are protected, or not protected in this instance. So I was having dinner with Richard Clarke and I asked him if there is an equivalent, is there an i-Patriot Act just sitting waiting for some substantial event as an excuse to radically change the way the internet works. He said "of course there is".
You can find that talk on google video.
On a flu related note, the google flu tracker really scares me. I pointed out in the discussion about it that Executive Order 13375 adds
(c) Influenza caused by novel or reemergent influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic
to Executive Order 13295 Relating to Certain Influenza Viruses and Quarantinable Communicable Diseases.
That simply means that our government can pre-emptively quarantine an area that may cause a pandemic. The language "reemergent" is also troubling to me since it has been admitted that they have recreated the 1918 flu virus.
Or perhaps you've been watching the X-Files recently.
I wouldn't be too worried about Armadillo Aerospace, at least yet. If the name changes to Union Aerospace Corporation or Roush, then it may be time to worry.
Or you could game the system to try and force the government to pre-emptively quarantine an area. Have a neighbor you don't like? Log on to his wireless network and spam google with symptoms 24 hours a day!
Don't think the government would do such a thing? Read Executive Order 13375,
which changes the Revised List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases made in E.O. 13295.
(c) Influenza caused by novel or reemergent influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic
I wonder what it means by "reemergent influenza viruses?"
It couldn't be because the government recreated the 1918 flu virus 3 years ago, could it?
The specific 1918 virus was lost to the world for decades, until it was reconstructed about three years ago using genetic material from victims.
The genetic material was found in 1997.
The only thing this information truly proves is that I need to get laid.
"The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know."
-Harry S Truman
I fired a BAR
That gun goes straight up!
Oh competitive Day of Defeat, how I miss thee!
The free market can not exist in environments where the government gives special monopolies to a few companies. The only real competition in this market is for these companies to protect their monopolies.
John D. Rockefeller said, "Competition is a sin."
A great muckraking book on this topic is Confessions of a Monopolist, written in 1903.
This kind of thing has been going on ever since the Supreme Court brazenly declared that a corporation has the same rights as a natural person.
The voting machines are fine. The person who raised the most money won!
Obama voted for giving the telecom's immunity for their illegal wiretapping.
Obama voted for the $700 billion corporate handout which many experts are saying it'll cost $5 trillion.
Who said I was pro Bush? Can't someone not like either?
Could you please tell me where in the Constitution does it give the power of any branch of the government to forcibly take part in anything? That's exactly what Obama is saying he is going to do.
Is your response for every bad thing Obama wants to do going to be, "but Bush!" That's pretty sad.
such amazingly neutral and unbiased sources! /sigh
-Obama's Chief of Staff's own book isn't a good source?
It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...
-Obama's and Hillary's own words on MTV isn't a good source?
. . one of the things that I've proposed, for example, is that I will give a $4000 tuition credit - every student, every year - so that they are not being loaded up with enormous debts, uh, but there will be a community service - a national service component. The military could be one way for you to get this $4000 tuition credit. Another way would be to work in an under-served school that needs help. Another way would be to work in an under-served hospital or a homeless shelter, or a veterans home. The point is, I think it is important for young people to serve."
-Obama's own words during a speech isn't a good source?
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded," Obama told a Colorado Springs audience earlier this month.
The article I took that from has dozens of mainstream sources back up its claims.
-The text of a bill that will probably serve as the framework for a possible draft isn't a good source?
To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.
So are you somehow implying that because everything I say isn't from ABCNNBCBS my facts somehow are biased?
http://www.change.gov/americaserves
Classic double-think
"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood....
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service
Obama and Hillary Call for a Draft Live on MTV
Text of H.R. 393: Universal National Service Act of 2007
Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi
Constitution, what Constitution?
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
These signs were a great way to break up with my girlfriend*. A few dozen Single? signs in her front yard gave her a pretty strong hint.
*Girlfriend may or may not actually exist (this is /.)
The fiscal year for the military is October - October. Their jobs should be safe until Christmas 2009!
They can always join Obama's 'civilian national security force'
Nowhere have I found more anger than in yahoo hearts.
You've obviously never played Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Has Palin said that she would force everyone to learn creationism and not evolution? No.
So why should it matter what she believes in? Obama spent 20+ years in a black liberation theology church. According to your logic he'd be forcing that view on every school in America, which is obviously not the case.
Government control of education has been the thing that is destroying it. Neither candidate is against it, so to me neither are the correct choice.
The Dead Kennedy's had it right.
M.T.V.-Get Off The Air"
Fun Fun Fun in the fluffy chair
Flame up the herb
Woof down the beer
[click!]
Hi
I'm your video DJ
I always talk like I'm wigged out on Quaalude's
I wear a satin baseball jacket everywhere I go
My job is to help destroy
What's left of your imagination
By feeding you endless doses
Of sugar-coated mindless garbage
So don't create
Be sedate
Be a vegetable at home
And thwack on that dial
If we have our way even you will believe
This is the future of rock and roll
How far will you go
How low will you stoop
To tranquilize our minds with your sugar-coated swill
You've turned rock and roll rebellion
Into Pat Boone sedation
Making sure nothing's left to the imagination
M.T.V. Get off the
M.T.V. Get off the
M.T.V. Get off the air
Get off the air
See the latest rejects from the muppet show
Wag their tits and their dicks
As they lip-sync on screen
There's something I don't like
About a band who always smiles
Another tax write-off
For some schmuck who doesn't care
M.T.V. Get off the air
And so it was
Our beloved corporate gods
Claimed they created rock video
Allowing it to sink as low in one year
As commercial TV has in 25
"It's the new frontier," they say
It's wide open, anything can happen
But you've got a lot of nerve
To call yourself a pioneer
When you're too god-damn conservative
To take real chances.
Tin-eared
Graph-paper brained accountants
Instead of music fans
Call all the shots at giant record companies now
The lowest common denominator rules
Forget honesty
Forget creativity
The dumbest buy the mostest
That's the name of the game
But sales are slumping
And no one will say why
Could it be they put out one too many lousy records?!?
M.T.V.-Get off the air!
NOW
Optical scan is NOT "fairly foolproof."
Just look at the votes in the New Hampshire primary. The places that did hand counting (about 15%) in NH had Barack Obama winning. The places that did optical scan had Hillary Clinton winning.
You can go to blackboxvoting or bradblog to find a lot of good articles during that time period.
There is still the possibility of vote switching with the software and the use of memory cards. It is pretty easy to do with just a few corrupt individuals.
Yes, there is a paper trail which makes it better. However, if you don't follow the chain of custody of the paper trail it makes it easy to rig a recount. Blackboxvoting had some great articles showing the boxes they used to "secure" the paper votes (giant holes in the boxes) and the "seals" which were nothing but fancy post-it notes.
The only way to know if an election is rigged or not is to have a hand counted paper ballot with plenty of people volunteering to make sure it is fair.
The price of liberty is constant vigilance.
Ballot access for independent candidates would still be a problem. Many third party candidates have to spend half of their money raised to get ballot access.
What is wrong with just giving out pieces of paper with the elections you are voting on and make people write in the candidate they want? If you don't know the name of the person you are voting on for a position, don't vote!
Google HQ is right next to Moffett Federal Airfield, which used to be an active military base. It is now used by NASA Ames, which is a giant research facility. Earlier this year Google announced a joint venture with NASA and are leasing space inside the AMES research facility. The founders also pay a lot to have their private commercial jet to be housed there. I find it interesting that the 7th Psychological Operation Group is also stationed at Moffett Field.
So Google is already working together with the military and military industrial complex very closely in an airbase that could easily become active at any time.
Your joke wasn't as far off as you thought! Pity you were modded flamebait.
No matter who wins we all lose.
Do you really think the corporations who really run this country would allow an independent person be in charge of trillions of dollars? Not very likely.
On the big issues there isn't much difference between the two. They both supported the bailout. Both candidates top contributors are investment banks like Goldman Sachs. They both support more war, although they bicker over who can best protect you from Al-Qaeda! They both support redistribution of wealth, one to people who are already rich and don't deserve it and the other to people who simply don't deserve it.
Please see my signature for a simple analogy most slashdot readers can understand.
Google OpenID: New and improved personal information gathering.
Langly: "You look down, Mulder. Tell you what, you're welcome to come over Saturday night. We're all hopping on the Internet to nitpick the scientific inaccuracies of Earth 2."
Oh how times have changed.
So where in the Constitution does it allow Congress to give away its power to declare war to the President, or give away its power to coin money, or give away its power to appropriate $700 billion?
The Constitution is flawed in that all 3 branches of government break their oath to it constantly.
That's what the government is for, duh!
It wouldn't surprise me if big "accidents" happen with the internet in the next 4 years. Then corporations and the government (what's the difference now a days?) will come out with an idea similar to Internet 2.0 and cloud computing. It'll look a lot like cable TV subscriptions. You won't have control over your content and will lose most of your anonymity and 1st amendment rights.
The governments primary function is to prented to fail. Then it says, we need more money and power in order to fix our incompetence! Then the government gets more control and a few big corporations get a little bit more guarenteed profits. There, I just explained most of human history for you. Good day sir!
Find me a fossil and then we'll talk.
Leave John McCain alone!
But in all seriousness, there is a reason why they use the word possibility. That means there may or may not be life. A fossil would mean there is proof of life. They say possiblity because it interests most people. Just saying they found more water than expected is boring. We already know there is water there. How much water there is doesn't mean much to most people.
Orwell would be proud
I got modded down for pointing out that Colin Powell made a 1 hour speech of known lies to the UN to make our case for going to war with Iraq? I guess now that he endorsed Obama he must be a great guy again!
That speech he gave was from a paper written by a post-graduate student in 1990. He and others knew it but he gave the speech anyway. Without that speech there would have been a lot more people against the war from the beginning.
It really is too bad I didn't make i to a +5 troll. that would have made my day :)