"That is real world training, and really drives in just how outsourcable your job is. What can YOU bring to the job that your manager can't find cheaper in India?"
There is nothing in the world and beyond that you cannot bring to your job that an employer can't find cheaper in India. Everything you know how to do, from what code you make to how it's made to even low bugs-per-line counts to debugging and support, can be learned completely by programmers in India.
Right now there are some things that you might be doing that East Indians aren't known for doing yet, and thus people still cling to the question "What can YOU bring to the job that your manager can't find cheaper in India?" as if they can still hope to answer that sufficiently to get or keep a job. Meanwhile, East Indians are learning English, graduating from the Indian Institute of Technology, and getting on-the-job experience with coding at the expense of millions of American coders who are being idled, and at the expense of millions more potential coders who are avoiding the profession altogether because of offshoring. East Indians are learning what their shortcomings are, and with competition coming from poorer places like Eastern Europe, they're inevitably going to rise to the occasion and iron them out - because, unlike us Americans, they are being given a completely free pass to employment so they can train up.
So, back to that question. "What can YOU bring to the job that your manager can't find cheaper in India?" Eventually you will find the illusions of differences between East Indian coders and American coders are gone and that the answer to that question is "absolutely nothing."
"Life's lessons come from the School of Hard Knocks."
Yes, but the problem with what you said here is that not being prepared for these hard knocks in college, means you can lose your livelihood.
The parent poster isn't wrong - you can learn Theory, Systems, and AI all you want, but there is no way you, as a coder, can prove to your boss that you're worth more than some $1/day East Indian coder - that East Indian coder can acquire absolutely positively every last skill that you have. Every single skill, period. S/he can, and eventually s/he will. I can't possibly emphasize that enough.
but employers do have a right to dictate what happens on their own property. (Although some employers are abusing this right now to dictate what happens on their employers' property, which must be stopped and soon.)
Any employee computer activity on the job, especially internet activity, is a potential liability for the company, and if you browse to the wrong site you can get hit with spyware, cookies, etc. that could compromise the security of the network. Get nailed with a keylogger cookie and all your intellectual property could be stolen.
One day the employees are playing Unreal Tournament 2004 online. The next day it could be this.
Now, honestly, I feel bad about saying all that because I've lived through dialup and I loved to use my high speed access at work before I got my blazing high speed cable modem. But this is the reality of things. Employee optimization, as it is called, can save an employer from FBI raids, massive RIAA litigation, IP theft, and other horrors.
A recent study showed that kids who lived on the farm in Germany (or some other European country) grew up with stronger immune systems than those who lived in the cities.
That means the study suggests that they're more resistant to viruses and bacteria than the city folk.
Bellsouth DSL users, post up your alternatives... my bet is they're a network of regional monopolies. Of course if there's cable modems competing against them, the cable modem providers are probably thinking of a similar tactic.
$500 for a card that can handle today's games, and $700 for next year's games, is not something a lot of people can afford, especially now that NVidia has CANCELED all AGP production and that means AGP computer owners have to shell out several hundred dollars for a PCI Express system and perhaps also migrate over to the 64 bit arch which is going to present unavoidable breakage of some obscure legacy software that is very important to someone out there.
What I'm getting at is these $500-$700 cards will majorly propel PS3 and Xbox 360 sales...
Heck, at this point, people at all sensitive places will be stripping visitors and workers down naked and only letting them in with special jump suits.
You could feasibly now graft this camera technology into shirts, gloves, baseball caps, glasses, etc. And even James Bond himself will be bug eyed with amazement when the nanotech factor finally comes into play in this industry.
This has got to be the worst news I've read all day. This makes me think of that Jurassic Park quote... we keep asking ourselves whether we can do something, but not whether we should.
"But of course there's no point to offshoring to Germany, as their labor costs are just as high as ours in the United States are. Perhaps India, with its Western traditions from its time as a British colony, is a more realistic choice that would somewhat address these political concerns?"
India? Not hardly. Ask the pharmaceutical companies what they think about India. India has a guy there who is counterfeiting AIDS drugs.
The problem with offshoring is that they are trying to cut corners in several ways at once: a) by lowering the price of labor b) avoiding taking responsibility for the environmental pollution they cause c) the fact that Asian nations do not care about their workers and have no workplace safety protections
The downside of this is that they are getting their intellectual property stolen, which is potentially far costlier than the gains made by cheaper, unsafe workplaces with cheap workers and tons of pollution they don't have to clean up.
The IP theft problem is potentially FATAL because you give your competition all the rope they need to hang you.
When you offshore your production to Asia, this is what happens: soon the competition rips off your product from the factory, literally producing the same product in the same factory during off hours. This enables them to make knockoffs under your brand, and if the knockoffs do not work, they make you look bad... which will ruin your company's reputation. Then the later on, they become rich enough to make a product (based on plans they stole from you) that is EQUAL to yours, or better, that they themselves support under their own name... see: The Cherry QQ.
The difference here between doing this in China and doing this in Germany is, Germany will prosecute you.
IP theft happening in offshore factories placed in IP piracy-friendly nations, like China.
That's what you get for offshore outsourcing to despotic nations. China won't even prosecute IP theft. In fact, China is involved in it. Ask Cisco about Huawei or Chevrolet about the Cherry QQ if you do not believe me.
Offshore to a democratic, (relatively) moral nation like Germany, though, and they'll prosecute an IP thief.
Because they declared that they were losing money on albums a few weeks back.
Besides, even if they're making record yearly profits, every crocodile tear means another piece of corporate welfare legislation from our bought and paid for politicians.
Preferably in another country, that is. We wouldn't want anyone being being sent to Guantanamo as a terrorist for the crime of enabling Americans to upload music to Vcast on their own terms...
"So what? Free speech isn't about escaping the consequences of what you write. It's about freedom of expression."
His comments amounted to a student vs teacher situation.
The university took it further and made it a student vs school situation and furthermore made it count against his standing as an academic performer.
This is like the military telling you you can't talk bad about the President except in this case you aren't in the military!
So much for liberalism (this, coming from a liberal) - colleges are all about free speech until they're criticized, and then the gloves come off and neo con behavior commences.
There's no way even a dual cpu setup could produce enough computing power to actually push a quad SLI GFX 7800 to its maximum output. There'll be bottlenecks with CPU speed, memory speed, and quite often, the performance of the hard drive itself. I bet even the operating system will present another bottleneck.
I'd love to see how this performs in benchmarks, and how much advantage it has over regular SLI (2) cards.
Games made for HD-DVD won't even work for early adopters of the 360. Those of you who shelled out $399, or worse, $700 or more for an ebay'd 360, will have to come back and buy an aftermarket HD-DVD player for God knows how much ($500 as of now). A future Xbox 360 with a HD-DVD player will most certainly cost well to the north of $299 or $399. Xbox 360 game makers may well go for the lowest common denominator which will hobble the usefulness of HD-DVD on that system for a critical amount of time.
Shades of the PS2 hard drive debacle. or: Consumers, hold onto your wallets!
This makes things quite interesting for when the PS3 comes out with a Blu-Ray drive, which I'm sure will be sold at a near equal premium price. If the PS3 includes Blu-Ray as standard equipment and doesn't pull a "ps2 hard drive" flop, the PS3 will no doubt be well to the north of $399 but at least all users, including early adopters, will be able to play all PS3 games.
I dare someone with a pair to come and tell me how my joke was off topic. Sheesh. A post about hd-dvd renditions of old movies are modded as off topic on a hd-dvd story discussion. This is utterly illogical!
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"That is real world training, and really drives in just how outsourcable your job is. What can YOU bring to the job that your manager can't find cheaper in India?"
There is nothing in the world and beyond that you cannot bring to your job that an employer can't find cheaper in India. Everything you know how to do, from what code you make to how it's made to even low bugs-per-line counts to debugging and support, can be learned completely by programmers in India.
Right now there are some things that you might be doing that East Indians aren't known for doing yet, and thus people still cling to the question "What can YOU bring to the job that your manager can't find cheaper in India?" as if they can still hope to answer that sufficiently to get or keep a job.
Meanwhile, East Indians are learning English, graduating from the Indian Institute of Technology, and getting on-the-job experience with coding at the expense of millions of American coders who are being idled, and at the expense of millions more potential coders who are avoiding the profession altogether because of offshoring. East Indians are learning what their shortcomings are, and with competition coming from poorer places like Eastern Europe, they're inevitably going to rise to the occasion and iron them out - because, unlike us Americans, they are being given a completely free pass to employment so they can train up.
So, back to that question. "What can YOU bring to the job that your manager can't find cheaper in India?" Eventually you will find the illusions of differences between East Indian coders and American coders are gone and that the answer to that question is "absolutely nothing."
"Life's lessons come from the School of Hard Knocks."
Yes, but the problem with what you said here is that not being prepared for these hard knocks in college, means you can lose your livelihood.
The parent poster isn't wrong - you can learn Theory, Systems, and AI all you want, but there is no way you, as a coder, can prove to your boss that you're worth more than some $1/day East Indian coder - that East Indian coder can acquire absolutely positively every last skill that you have. Every single skill, period. S/he can, and eventually s/he will. I can't possibly emphasize that enough.
Do you use java, javascript, CSS, flash, CGI, etc., or not?
A pure text website with some graphics can support lynx, whereas a flashier site will require more up to date browsers.
"The options are automation, including lots of remote sensing/identifying technologies like RFID or total economic collapse."
I call BS on that. Let's see proof. How does lack of automation mean total economic collapse?
but employers do have a right to dictate what happens on their own property. (Although some employers are abusing this right now to dictate what happens on their employers' property, which must be stopped and soon.)
Any employee computer activity on the job, especially internet activity, is a potential liability for the company, and if you browse to the wrong site you can get hit with spyware, cookies, etc. that could compromise the security of the network. Get nailed with a keylogger cookie and all your intellectual property could be stolen.
One day the employees are playing Unreal Tournament 2004 online. The next day it could be this.
Now, honestly, I feel bad about saying all that because I've lived through dialup and I loved to use my high speed access at work before I got my blazing high speed cable modem. But this is the reality of things. Employee optimization, as it is called, can save an employer from FBI raids, massive RIAA litigation, IP theft, and other horrors.
in the long term.
A recent study showed that kids who lived on the farm in Germany (or some other European country) grew up with stronger immune systems than those who lived in the cities.
That means the study suggests that they're more resistant to viruses and bacteria than the city folk.
Bellsouth DSL users, post up your alternatives... my bet is they're a network of regional monopolies. Of course if there's cable modems competing against them, the cable modem providers are probably thinking of a similar tactic.
That's the remaining gotcha that can reliably get you ID'd.
$500 for a card that can handle today's games, and $700 for next year's games, is not something a lot of people can afford, especially now that NVidia has CANCELED all AGP production and that means AGP computer owners have to shell out several hundred dollars for a PCI Express system and perhaps also migrate over to the 64 bit arch which is going to present unavoidable breakage of some obscure legacy software that is very important to someone out there.
What I'm getting at is these $500-$700 cards will majorly propel PS3 and Xbox 360 sales...
"No post cards allowed".
Heck, at this point, people at all sensitive places will be stripping visitors and workers down naked and only letting them in with special jump suits.
You could feasibly now graft this camera technology into shirts, gloves, baseball caps, glasses, etc. And even James Bond himself will be bug eyed with amazement when the nanotech factor finally comes into play in this industry.
Deus Ex and Babylon 5 (Crusade) fans know what I'm talking about. That's not a wild fantasy either, if nano biotech ever takes off.
I mean, where will they possibly hide?
I hope that fluorescence doesn't last long.
This has got to be the worst news I've read all day. This makes me think of that Jurassic Park quote... we keep asking ourselves whether we can do something, but not whether we should.
"What happens if a black hole eats another black hole?"
It becomes Congress?
Yes, but all the strict access controls mean that there is no failover path for consumers - namely in this case the reviewers - to view the material.
Without DRM you could just pop the DVD into any player and there'd be no problem.
Imagine if this happened to regular consumers. Consumers would be pissed and manufacturers would be out some major money for reimbursement.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=17338 8&cid=14426971
See, other people are pointing out the same thing.
Neo con moderators can't stop the truth.
"But of course there's no point to offshoring to Germany, as their labor costs are just as high as ours in the United States are. Perhaps India, with its Western traditions from its time as a British colony, is a more realistic choice that would somewhat address these political concerns?"
India? Not hardly. Ask the pharmaceutical companies what they think about India. India has a guy there who is counterfeiting AIDS drugs.
The problem with offshoring is that they are trying to cut corners in several ways at once:
a) by lowering the price of labor
b) avoiding taking responsibility for the environmental pollution they cause
c) the fact that Asian nations do not care about their workers and have no workplace safety protections
The downside of this is that they are getting their intellectual property stolen, which is potentially far costlier than the gains made by cheaper, unsafe workplaces with cheap workers and tons of pollution they don't have to clean up.
The IP theft problem is potentially FATAL because you give your competition all the rope they need to hang you.
When you offshore your production to Asia, this is what happens: soon the competition rips off your product from the factory, literally producing the same product in the same factory during off hours. This enables them to make knockoffs under your brand, and if the knockoffs do not work, they make you look bad... which will ruin your company's reputation. Then the later on, they become rich enough to make a product (based on plans they stole from you) that is EQUAL to yours, or better, that they themselves support under their own name... see: The Cherry QQ.
The difference here between doing this in China and doing this in Germany is, Germany will prosecute you.
IP theft happening in offshore factories placed in IP piracy-friendly nations, like China.
That's what you get for offshore outsourcing to despotic nations. China won't even prosecute IP theft. In fact, China is involved in it. Ask Cisco about Huawei or Chevrolet about the Cherry QQ if you do not believe me.
Offshore to a democratic, (relatively) moral nation like Germany, though, and they'll prosecute an IP thief.
Because they declared that they were losing money on albums a few weeks back.
Besides, even if they're making record yearly profits, every crocodile tear means another piece of corporate welfare legislation from our bought and paid for politicians.
start your engines!
Preferably in another country, that is. We wouldn't want anyone being being sent to Guantanamo as a terrorist for the crime of enabling Americans to upload music to Vcast on their own terms...
"So what? Free speech isn't about escaping the consequences of what you write. It's about freedom of expression."
His comments amounted to a student vs teacher situation.
The university took it further and made it a student vs school situation and furthermore made it count against his standing as an academic performer.
This is like the military telling you you can't talk bad about the President except in this case you aren't in the military!
So much for liberalism (this, coming from a liberal) - colleges are all about free speech until they're criticized, and then the gloves come off and neo con behavior commences.
has been triggered by this setup.
There's no way even a dual cpu setup could produce enough computing power to actually push a quad SLI GFX 7800 to its maximum output. There'll be bottlenecks with CPU speed, memory speed, and quite often, the performance of the hard drive itself. I bet even the operating system will present another bottleneck.
I'd love to see how this performs in benchmarks, and how much advantage it has over regular SLI (2) cards.
That post was hardly a troll. Can someone please explain how on topic posts can be modded 'off topic' and how non troll posts can be modded 'troll'?
Perhaps in the middle of 2006 all the good posts will get modded down and the goatse ones will be at 5. It can't get much worse than this, after all.
Games made for HD-DVD won't even work for early adopters of the 360. Those of you who shelled out $399, or worse, $700 or more for an ebay'd 360, will have to come back and buy an aftermarket HD-DVD player for God knows how much ($500 as of now). A future Xbox 360 with a HD-DVD player will most certainly cost well to the north of $299 or $399. Xbox 360 game makers may well go for the lowest common denominator which will hobble the usefulness of HD-DVD on that system for a critical amount of time.
Shades of the PS2 hard drive debacle.
or:
Consumers, hold onto your wallets!
This makes things quite interesting for when the PS3 comes out with a Blu-Ray drive, which I'm sure will be sold at a near equal premium price. If the PS3 includes Blu-Ray as standard equipment and doesn't pull a "ps2 hard drive" flop, the PS3 will no doubt be well to the north of $399 but at least all users, including early adopters, will be able to play all PS3 games.
My post wasn't in any way off topic.
I dare someone with a pair to come and tell me how my joke was off topic. Sheesh. A post about hd-dvd renditions of old movies are modded as off topic on a hd-dvd story discussion. This is utterly illogical!
Edumacate me. Why tell us that bad info is being posted without telling us what the bad info is?