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NVIDIA and Dell Display Quad-SLI System

Ryan @ CES writes "Today at the Consumer Electronics Show, Dell and NVIDIA announced a new XPS system coming later this year that will sport not one, not two, but FOUR GeForce 7800 GTX 512 GPUs running in a quad-SLI configuration. There are two physical graphics cards in the system still, but each has two seperate PCBs with a GPU and 512 MB of memory on each. PC Perspective has some information including pictures of the cards and Dell system as well as specs and details on how NVIDIA handles the new SLI data configurations. No word yet on power consumption and heat levels, of course."

306 comments

  1. the payoff by User+956 · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much Dell paid Nvidia for this one. I mean, there must be plenty of manufacturers they could have picked, especially ones much more known for being gaming-oriented companies (Alienware, or Falcon Northwest).

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    1. Re:the payoff by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, but finally a legit use for that 1000 Watt power supply, as long as you include the multi-cpu and raid setup, of course. :)

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    2. Re:the payoff by mrm677 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Many top game studios I'm familiar with buy Dell computers for game development.

    3. Re:the payoff by faderus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great, now they can verify that their games run well on what is sure to be a hugely popular configuration.

    4. Re:the payoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it make you horny to know that I've actually powered-on a board with not 1 - not 2 - NOT 4 - no, 8 PCIe x16 slots? We've tested a setup similar to this with a certain manufacturers cards that have not been mentioned here today, and had a total of 12 GB of RAM. The cards are daisy chained, each cards has two connections, in and out.

      The next design is supposed to have a master card that has up to 7 connectors and acts as a scheduler and internal bus for the others - think hyperconnect in a card.

      Oh, you're saying this is aimed for the consumer market? That was last years technology, I'm glad you're finally gonna get to enjoy it too. I'll be using my next years technology soon, and I'm sure you'll be excited when you hear about that in like five years...

    5. Re:the payoff by uncoveror · · Score: 1

      If you can't literally create a Star Trek stylo holodeck with this, then what's the point?

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    6. Re:the payoff by phiber9 · · Score: 1

      I would imagine a *hitload of cash, or they just compensated with workstations :-) Anyways, how strong power supply does a system like that need? 650W? (and I mean real 650W, not that JNC crap).

    7. Re:the payoff by ShimmyShimmy · · Score: 1

      "Many top game studios"

      Could you be a little more specific?

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    8. Re:the payoff by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Could you be a little more specific?

      Well, if you want to talk the best of the best, Infinium Labs is one. Thinking of the great stuff that's come out of there it's a good thing they've got the power of a Dell!

      BTW: Has anyone else looked at their stock price? Holy crap... if they ever really did release something besides hype you might make a chunk of change. You can all laugh, but when they release the Phantom with Duke Nukem Forever as a launch title I'll be rolling in the dough while all of Slashdot tries to think of replacement vaporware to fill the sudden void.

      PS: Can anyone here decipher their SEC filings to get an idea of how much money they are making/spending? The form I normally look for are not present (the 10-K annual filing), though I do see a number of "Notification of inability to timely file" entries.

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    9. Re:the payoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1000 Watt powersupply? Possibly, but Very recently there was an article in another site(within the last month) that used 2 of the gigabyte ones in SLI(4 cpus in total)..

      But what i' want to say, is that the cards i nquestion had external brick powersupplies.

    10. Re:the payoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they are hilarious, if you're a retard.

    11. Re:the payoff by chrisnewbie · · Score: 0

      Arent they breaking some ecological law or pact by putting a gazillion video card in one single computer?

      Is that computer made out of titanium steel? How much does it cost? 6000$
      Will all the fan power on this thing create tsunami or another wilma (chaos theory).
      I mean common how much pci expresse slot can there be on one motheboard!
      It's not because it can be done that it MUST be done.

      Are they any games for this crazy machine? maybe in 3 years and by that time technology will have change and even your quad system will be worthless because it will not support directx 11 or something.

    12. Re:the payoff by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1, Insightful
      My, what a big epenis you have!

      I doubt 4-way SLI--much less 8-way--will ever become mainstream. It's a neat idea, but let's be honest here: how many people here are going to shell out close to $2,000 just for video cards that will be nearly obselete in two years? And if the average slashdot user won't spend the money, don't expect many people at all to do it.

      Two-way SLI is too expensive for most gamers to maintain. Four-way will be awesome in workstations, but in the consumer market it will be a novelty rich kid geeks use to impress their peers at LAN parties. Eight-way will be stupidly expensive and only justifiable in the most demanding applications.

      This sort of technology will become common right around the same time SASCSI becomes the standard for consumer PCs.

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    13. Re:the payoff by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 2, Informative

      they will use separate "blocks" for the power, not the power supply on the motherboard since it obviously wouldnt be able to handle it...

    14. Re:the payoff by hurfy · · Score: 1

      "though I do see a number of "Notification of inability to timely file" entries."

      They can't afford to pay the accountant....

      hehe, on the other hand you cant really lose much at this point.

  2. That green light.. by Stevyn · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:That green light.. by TIMxPx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it just me, or are towers and components going the way of athletic shoes in looking absolutely disgusting? Why not go with something really classy, like baby blue with faux wood panels? ;) Every effort the manufacturers make to "improve" the look of a system is another dollar from the pocket of the buyer, and for what? Maybe i just don't get it.

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    2. Re:That green light.. by andersa · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you didn't notice the mini fusion device mounted on the top of the case?

    3. Re:That green light.. by wgaryhas · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but baby blue with faux wood panels sounds hideous.

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    4. Re:That green light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News alert! Read it here, first! Most people have bad taste in everything!

      You know how we look at pictures of people from decades ago and laugh at their hair or cheesy shirts? It will be exactly that way for future generations looking back on our awful athletic shoes, jeans made for anorexics, rusted out civics with spoilers and stickers, and, of course, our shitty computer cases.

  3. It contains 1.3 billion transistors by LameJokeGuy · · Score: 0

    You could build yourself a pretty nifty transistor radio with that many!

    1. Re:It contains 1.3 billion transistors by moro_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      don't know about the radio but fta:


      Consider the standard Dell SLI system costs around $3-4,000 you can expect this custom designed PC to cost at least double that.


      even if that thing pulls out 1.3 billion fps in solitaire or 1300 fps in doom3, it's stil a bad value for the money :s

      ofcourse some 3d modellers have no choice than to buy something like this.
      or go for a fullblown cluster with software rendering, but that wont be cheaper either ;)

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    2. Re:It contains 1.3 billion transistors by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Aren't the Quadro/FireGL cards good enough for keeping the viewports at decent speed?

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  4. Misleading name for a dual-SLI system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Calling this a "Quad-SLI" system is as misleading as calling a dual-CPU Power Mac a "G5 Quad."

    1. Re:Misleading name for a dual-SLI system by Thalagyrt · · Score: 1

      There's four GPUs on this system, just as there's four G5 cores on the G5 Quad. Two cards, two chips; four GPUs, four cores. So no, it is really not misleading.

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    2. Re:Misleading name for a dual-SLI system by ravyne · · Score: 1

      Except that in graphics card terms each "pipeline" is essentially a "core." That is, the basic computing unit in PC terms is the core, while on a GPU its the pipeline. GPUs have been "multi-core" for years now.

    3. Re:Misleading name for a dual-SLI system by Thalagyrt · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of that, I was just putting it in layman's terms so the troll I was responding to could grasp what I meant. :)

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  5. Voodoo 5 by Hobbitgh0d42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is anyone else reminded of the Voodoo 5 with the size of this thing?

    1. Re:Voodoo 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely, and this setup is going to look foolish in a few years when you'll be able to get this performance in a much more convenient way -- but wow.

    2. Re:Voodoo 5 by Amouth · · Score: 2, Funny

      i am waiting for the flames of the case to be real.. that would keep the spirt of the Voodoo5 alive..

      nVdia did buy them if you remember.. and i am sure that is where they are getting their SLI tec from

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    3. Re:Voodoo 5 by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      That has V5-6000 written allllll over it. Good call.

    4. Re:Voodoo 5 by phiber9 · · Score: 1

      and external power supply....

    5. Re:Voodoo 5 by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 1

      Nvidia bought 3dfx, right after they did they started making cards that were huge, hot and loud. Coincidence? I think not.

    6. Re:Voodoo 5 by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Thats no space station! It's a moon!

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    7. Re:Voodoo 5 by blincoln · · Score: 1

      Yep. Especially because I *have* a Voodoo5 in my current PC. My GeForce4 card burned itself up, and I was able to get a the Voodoo for free as a replacement until I buy something else. It really reminded me how quickly the cutting edge depreciates.

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  6. Mooninites unite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lock in!

    No one can defeat the quad-laser!

    It is over now!

    The bullet is enormous, there is no escaping!

    Jumping...is useless!

    1. Re:Mooninites unite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who named us Click-Click-Click Click-Click-Click Click-Click-Click Click-Click-Click?

    2. Re:Mooninites unite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would anyone like to join our slavery program?

      You'll get college credit.

    3. Re:Mooninites unite! by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Take this rack of DVDs and sink it deep within your body.

      We smoke while we flip the bird.

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    4. Re:Mooninites unite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moon rules! Take that Rack of DVDs, and sink it deep within your body.

    5. Re:Mooninites unite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When traveling at a subsonic speed during the last one hour of hypersleep, which vector of the romulan nebula will suffer the wrath of the impenetrable quicking? And for bonus points, how many rads to the nearest multon? Be specific, this is a real question."

      From memory. I think that's right.

    6. Re:Mooninites unite! by geekbastard · · Score: 2, Funny

      i hope they can see this because i am doing it as hard as i can

    7. Re:Mooninites unite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is "the Backstreet Boys."

    8. Re:Mooninites unite! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2, Funny

      okay Mooninites, looks like i got a little moonbeam of my own.

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    9. Re:Mooninites unite! by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

      Holy shit... I've never been more confused by a conversation in my whole life.

      Does any of that make sense to anyone?

    10. Re:Mooninites unite! by Blackforge · · Score: 1

      "Behold, the digital dong!"

      And appropriate for the topic ;)

    11. Re:Mooninites unite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well wouldn't your ass like to know.

    12. Re:Mooninites unite! by Mozk · · Score: 1

      Apparently it has something to do with Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

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  7. The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by freidog · · Score: 1

    had it right all along. Here i was, making fun of the 800 and 1000W PSUs we've started to see over the last 6 months, and now I get to eat crow.

    But at least I know get to make fun of the people spending 6000-8000 dollars (general swag the article took based on the current Dell SLI setups) on a gaming computer.

    1. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by jozeph78 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't doubt it if these puppies were powered externally. I recently saw some card that was powered via an external plug in the back of the graphics card.

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    2. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These cards are externally powered with multiple power bricks so enjoy eating crow again.

    3. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by Stripe7 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well you can make fun of me, just spent $8.5K on a Dual SLI Rig.

    4. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by Fei_Id · · Score: 0

      We could even generalize it a bit more and make fun of ANYONE who spends $6k-$8k on a personal computer. If you've got that kind of cash to sling, I always thought you could ACTUALLY DO in REAL life what you play in a game. :)

      Well, except for going to Mars and shooting up Demonspawn as a lone marine ;)

    5. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by geekbastard · · Score: 1
    6. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Well you can make fun of me, just spent $8.5K on a Dual SLI Rig.

      Dear God! That's a car!

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    7. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by thelonestranger · · Score: 1

      Yes it is, and if he paid 8.5k for two of these he's been ripped off auta5p.car.cz/katalog/rover/rover_111_01.jpg Seriously though, for that price I'd want something that was on par with HAL9000 and could make a decent cup of coffee.

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    8. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's multiple cars where I come from (college)

    9. Re:The visionaries releasing 1kW PSUs.... by n00tz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe this new machine will come with its own loan officer.

      In the theme of overpriced computers: My company will be buying a $9.2k Xeon server from Dell, about $3k of it is windows liscensing(SQL2005, Server2003EE). I custom built a comparable AMD/*nix server and it only cost them $4.2k. The problem was the software company we are dealing with either A.) didn't know how to deal with *nix, B.) was unfamiliar with 64-bit SMP (AMD opteron 265's x 2) or C.) the technical staff wasn't educated enough to know that four 1.8Ghz cores are better than two 2.4 Ghz cores.

      Their implementation survey simply asked what speed the processors clocked, and how many PROCESSORS there were. So I answered 1.8Ghz and 2 CPUs and we failed the survey. I was expecting that so I composed an email explaining how their survey was faulty and gave them a few ways to improve it as to not make the mistake again with a potentially new customer (a friendly business suggestion). I was instead denied without further investigation forcing us to pay for this new bohemoth of the wallet. /rant

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  8. Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd be scared to turn that besat of a box on, unless I knew for sure that my house wiring could take it...I wonder how many watts the PSU is rated for (and who built the PSU..muhaha)

    Also, who would be able to use this other than the extreme gaming folks?

    This box will cost a pretty penny, but would a person even be able see an improvement over the current popular 939 pin Opteron + fatass video card combo?

    1. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most hair dryers draw 1200 - 1600 watts so you don't have much, if anything, to worry about.

    2. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, a hair dryer or other household appliance uses a fair amount of juice BUT does not sit on 24/7 like the computers around my place do. Granted, I might even shut mine down at night if I am not using it, but my room-mates leave theirs on all the time.

      It is an interesting build, I guess, but is it useful? Does it bring something truly new to the table?

      Or was this just built to get folks attention? Maybe we can call this an 'attention whore build'?

    3. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly how much hair do you have that you spend 24 hours a day with the hairdryer on? I know this is Slashdot, but still...

    4. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but no one leaves a hair dryer on for 16 hours a day.... and I know some of my gaming sessions have lasted that long. Let's see - 1kW* an average of 4 hours a day for a year (yeah, I pulled those numbers out of my butt - sue me) and a price of $0.12/kwh and we get.... a whopping $182 a year to use that sucker. This is assuming you switch the thing off from time to time, and that you have another machine in the wings for your low-intensity computing.

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    5. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by (H)elix1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most hair dryers draw 1200 - 1600 watts so you don't have much, if anything, to worry about.

      See, that is just the kind of thinking that gets a person into trouble. I thought my systems were OK until my wife went off and bought a 12A vacuum cleaner. Every time she fires the thing up (depending on if the socket shares the circuit) my UPS is screeching at me. She claims it is stock, but would not put it past her to over clock it. That road leads to madness...

    6. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      The OP was curious about his house wiring being able to take a 1kw draw. Any in code wiring will be able to take a draw of that level. Besides the cost of said electricy wasn't even mentioned in the OP. :)

    7. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most hairdryers are not left switched on all day.

    8. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you are buying a gaming rig with essentially 4 Geforce 7800 cards with 512 MB of RAM each in it,... I don't think $128 over a year for electricity is really going to put you off.

    9. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1
      Exactly how much hair do you have that you spend 24 hours a day with the hairdryer on? I know this is Slashdot, but still...

      Actually, this machine is meant to replace your hairdryer - and ignore the question whether you really need it. Just put your head near the exhaust fans and you'll get the idea...

      Also useful for baking bread or pizza's.
    10. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by fabs64 · · Score: 1

      unless you're running 3dmark05 on a continuous loop for that entire year then it is not going to draw a constant 1kw, and even then most likely not.
      That power has to go somewhere, and if your computer is emitting 1kw of heat light and sound at all times then I don't think you'll be able to live with it anyway ;-)

    11. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Urusai · · Score: 1

      This ain't nothing. Next step: NVidia blade servers. Play Quake 4 with real-time raytracing!

    12. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The clue is in the title: "Wonder what the power bill would be like...."

    13. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Don't read titles :)

    14. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 1

      Overclocking a vacuum cleaner!? Hey, if you don't want that wife anymore... ;)

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    15. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      nVidia blades, with the PhysX processor blades as well.

      Realtime raytracing on accurately modelled physics. Oooh, refractive water splashes...

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    16. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      See, that is just the kind of thinking that gets a person into trouble. I thought my systems were OK until my wife went off and bought a 12A vacuum cleaner. Every time she fires the thing up (depending on if the socket shares the circuit) my UPS is screeching at me. She claims it is stock, but would not put it past her to over clock it. That road leads to madness...

      I suggest you (and she) move to Britain. All electrical sockets are rated for 13A, 240V - good for 3kW with room to spare. My dad's theory is that it's to do with the English taste for a nice cup of tea - it is essential that a heavy-duty electric kettle be operable everywhere within the home!

      An overclocked vacuum cleaner is no problem whatsoever. Our electricals can take the challenge.

      (I'm probably not making full use of it, to be honest. The power supply of the computer I'm currently sat at is rated at a massive 45W...)

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    17. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by denjin · · Score: 1

      Isn't that due to amps? Most houses just use 15 amp circuits.

    18. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

      Here's the problem: you have multiple sockets in a circuit. So the vacuum cleaner is drawing 12A, and then you add everything else that's running (including all the stuff that draws power while "off" (TV, VCR, DVD, computer, etc etc).

      So, yes, the socket itself can handle 13A, but the circuit can only handle 15A.

    19. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by dmatos · · Score: 1

      You have to tell her to stop plugging the vacuum cleaner into the UPS. Explain to her that a momentary drop in power while vacuuming is nowhere near as devastating as the same while computing.

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    20. Re:Wonder what the power bill would be like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 12A vacuum cleaner in the UK with the same wattage would only draw 6 amp (230 volt), Brittish electrical wiring is famous for being insane, the circuit is either 30 or 32 amp (requiring fuses in every plug due to the lower ratings of the appliance connection cable), but even in the rest of Europe circuits are 12 or 16 amp, so there is no issue

  9. Lions and Tigers by Artie+Dent · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am totally creeped out by the Nvidia eye logo thing. I would have to get my compy two, just so it had depth perception.

    1. Re:Lions and Tigers by xiando · · Score: 1

      Rotate the logo 90 degrees CW and volla, you have the ancient masonic Illuminati double-pyramid. Coincidence? You be the judge.

    2. Re:Lions and Tigers by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the Latin pun - 'invidia' means 'envy'. 'NV', geddit?

      I find it absolutely awesome that a large technology company be named after such a groan-inducing bit of wordplay. And it finally explains all the chip names...

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    3. Re:Lions and Tigers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more creeped out by the case. We're all going to burn in dell...ahhhh.

  10. I've said it before, I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the purchase of 3DFX appears to have had some serious negative consequences on NVIDIA.

    (In other words: why?)

  11. And now to boot it up.... by Sduic · · Score: 5, Funny

    *Lights dim*
    *PSU explodes*
    *case begins melting*

    "Wow! 3FPS faster!"

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    1. Re:And now to boot it up.... by miyako · · Score: 1

      I was wondering if I was the only person to see the flames painted on the case and thing "how appropriate".

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    2. Re:And now to boot it up.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... but did you see the devil painted within the flames?

    3. Re:And now to boot it up.... by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      *Lights dim*
      *PSU explodes*
      *case begins melting*

      "Wow! 3FPS faster!"

      Captain, the dilithium chrystals canna take it!
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  12. Overkill by miyako · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This machine certainly seems like overkill. What would be nice would be if they would make a system like this that uses budget cards. Given that graphics rendering is a task that is easly split between multiple processors (IIRC that's the case anyway), I would think that they could offer something like this with cheaper cards and get better performance than going up to the next generation of cards.
    Since a bleeding edge card tends to run around $500, and a card a couple of generations old tends to run about $100, you could get four older generation cards for less than a bleeding edge card, and equivilent if not better performance.

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    1. Re:Overkill by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You among the rest of Slashdot just dont "get it" do you?

      PC Gaming today is just like Golf. Most of the high-end shit is for bragging rights...period. Trust me, it's not over. Expect to see rigs going for 8 grand. Sure, it's extreme, but we also have an exreme market too with extreme people will to pay the, ehem...extreme price.

      This should be EXPECTED and not questioned. Has anyone learned anything an econ 101? Oh ya, I guess they don't teach that anymore.

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    2. Re:Overkill by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't think this is aimed at gamers, exactly. I would think this would be aimed at professionals. I could be wrong. Who else would need the ability to drive 4 monitors at over 1600x1200 each?

      I agree this is overkill, but I think that it is like those 108" TVs that someone (Samsung?) is showing at CES. It may be a product that is for sale, but they don't expect to actually sell any number of them greater than 5. It is more a PR boast than anything else.

      Personally, I can't wait for Mac World SF. Rumor has it Apple will introduce a new version of their pro apps (specifically Final Cut Pro) that can work on ultra-HD content (I think it was 11 megapixels a frame, 4000x2700 or so) and a new monitor designed with a high enough resolution to be able to show it full-frame, unstretched. Now THAT should be cool to see.

      But it is CES and products fall into two categories: "wow, that's neat" and "wow, that's neat and who would ever buy that".

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    3. Re:Overkill by joto · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hello, moderators! This isn't interesting. It's either a bad joke, or someone completely clueless.

    4. Re:Overkill by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

      Possibly, if they support SLI. So maybe a generation or 2 from now you can use this setup. Of course by then you could do quad-SLI with whatever the new and fastest is.

    5. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think this is aimed at gamers, exactly. I would think this would be aimed at professionals. I could be wrong. Who else would need the ability to drive 4 monitors at over 1600x1200 each?

      SLI is not meant to drive individual displays but to contribute the whole power of all cores to the framerate of one display.

    6. Re:Overkill by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

      I know a few Everquest 2 players that would love to have that machine. Might even be able to adjust the display settings to "Extreme".

      Of course what with playing EQ2 all day they can barely afford the electricity to run the thing.

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    7. Re:Overkill by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Who else would need the ability to drive 4 monitors at over 1600x1200 each?
      Here's my guess, the real product is a single one of these cards, with 2 GPUs on it. But since they already had SLI done, they could put a couple of these dual boards together to get four total almost for free (in engineering terms), so they did... mostly as a stunt.

      It's like putting a pair of dual-core CPUs in a dual-CPU motherboard. Most people buying dual-core CPUs will only run one.

    8. Re:Overkill by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know, maybe if I get a machine like this I'll switch from vi to EMACS.

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    9. Re:Overkill by gatzke · · Score: 1

      Maybe I am missing something, but I don't think they want to run four monitors at 1600x1200. I think SLI is to get better performance on one monitor, so maybe you run even higher, like 2500x1600 or something crazy.

      Think 1080p HD quality rendered video.

    10. Re:Overkill by StarWreck · · Score: 4, Informative
      they don't expect to actually sell any number of them greater than 5.
      Car makers used to have a saying "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday". Everybody knew that the cars winning the races weren't the cars you could buy but people assume that if their race cars are better than the competitors race cars, then their regular cars are better than the competitors regular cars too.

      Dell is hoping that having a system this high-powered will drive up the sales for its mainstream models as well.
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    11. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't think this is aimed at gamers, exactly. I would think this would be aimed at professionals. I could be wrong.
      Who targets professionals with a case like this?
    12. Re:Overkill by Osty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Car makers used to have a saying "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday". Everybody knew that the cars winning the races weren't the cars you could buy but people assume that if their race cars are better than the competitors race cars, then their regular cars are better than the competitors regular cars too.

      Actually, it used to be that the cars were the same. "Stock car" racing is named such because it used to be the racing of stock (as in, righ off the showroom floor) cars. It's obviously not that today, where only the shell is similar to (but still not the same as) the cars you can actually buy.

      That said, there are still race series where the cars really are (mostly) stock. Some safety additions are required, like bolt-in rollcages and multi-point harnesses, but aside from that you're running stock in a class like Showroom Stock. The categories may not contain the newest cars, but you could theoretically go buy a used car, bolt in a roll cage and harness, and compete.

    13. Re:Overkill by brilinux · · Score: 1


        Who targets professionals with a case like this?
       
      Actually, that is targetted toward professional fire-fighters who want to be able to visualize where the fires are in very high detail.

    14. Re:Overkill by Babbster · · Score: 1

      It's not a stunt if it works. As expensive as four 7800GTX 512MB cards (or four chipsets in two cards) would be, we're not talking car prototype expensive. Given the number of silly people already using two expensive video cards in one PC (my parents paid less for their PC with LCD monitor than the cost of two new 7800s), it's not a big stretch to imagine them buying a couple more if they're getting a measurable performance advantage. Hell, maybe someone will actually be able to run Everquest 2 at its highest settings without turning it into a slideshow.

      As for dual dual-core CPUs, that's also not a stunt, and for the same reason in that it can provide actual performance advantages. Nonstop (fast) DVD-to-DivX encoding while playing F.E.A.R with all the bells and whistles, without buying a separate PC, might be worth it to some folks.

      Me? I'm doing fine with my AMD XP1500 and lousy GeForce 4 MX420 (64MB, ROCK!), thank you. I'm doing most of my gaming on my DS these days... :)

    15. Re:Overkill by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      Or, maybe DHiS, so they can better envision reality.

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    16. Re:Overkill by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I don't think this is aimed at gamers, exactly. I would think this would be aimed at professionals. I could be wrong. Who else would need the ability to drive 4 monitors at over 1600x1200 each?

      Could someone explain how this get modded to +5 Insightful?

      I understand that SLI is a silly buzzword, targeted at a fairly small niche market, and neither the article summary nor the article itself bothered to explain it. But if people don't understand the article, why the hell are they moderating comments?

      Is the slashdot moderation system just a formalized system where a bunch of clueless wanker stand around a water cooler shooting the shit, and each day they draw secret lots to select the toady responsible for telling the other idiots that they're smart, interesting, and funny?

    17. Re:Overkill by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hello, moderators! This isn't interesting. It's either a bad joke, or someone completely clueless.

      Yet they're modded up, and you're modded down. There may be some deeper philosophical meaning there, but I'm too busy laughing at the incredible cluelessness of slashdot moderators to care...

    18. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the graphic rendering is easily split - however, you can not split the textures. So you can use one fast video card with 256MB of memory, half of it used for textures, or you could use 2 of the same cards, and use on each 128MB for textures.
            Also, all the results show that SLI is less than double efficiency, and usually twice as fast cards are less than twice as expensive.
            One more thing - older generation cards tend to have less memory, and slower memory too - so when you need to change textures when you change environments (like lots of different enemies appear) the hiccup will be bigger than on a single fast card.

    19. Re:Overkill by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      I don't think this is aimed at gamers, exactly. I would think this would be aimed at professionals. I could be wrong. Who else would need the ability to drive 4 monitors at over 1600x1200 each?

      While I would agree that this is aimed at professionals, it's not intended to drive 4 monitors. It's intended to use 4 graphics cards to drive 1 monitor, that being what SLI is all about.

      Doesn't really impress me much, personally.

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    20. Re:Overkill by prefect42 · · Score: 1

      I don't get why they didn't put all the connectors on, and at least provide the option of running non-SLI with 8 monitors driven with decent 3D. That's actually really appeals to me, if it wasn't for the fairly non-blade like power density this will end up with (once you stick it in a dual-proc box).

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    21. Re:Overkill by sam0737 · · Score: 1

      but they don't expect to actually sell any number of them greater than 5.

      Did I hear IBM commenting there would be no more than ten computers around the world?

    22. Re:Overkill by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Rumor has it Apple will introduce a new version of their pro apps (specifically Final Cut Pro) that can work on ultra-HD content (I think it was 11 megapixels a frame, 4000x2700 or so)

      That is odd, I always assumed the next standard would be 3840x2160, which is about 8MP. That makes it simple 2:1 resize for 1080p and 3:1 for 720p. Besides, I've seen 1080p and would rather they went to 1080p60 before they go Ultra-HD. If you think you lack resolution, you're probably looking at 1080i, which looks horrible (well, compared to 1080p or even 720p) except for movies you do 3:2 pulldown and get 1080p24 from.

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    23. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. That would have been Ken Olsen from DEC.

    24. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe overkill, maybe not if you have this kind of monitor

    25. Re:Overkill by Kjella · · Score: 1

      "but they don't expect to actually sell any number of them greater than 5."

      Did I hear IBM commenting there would be no more than ten computers around the world?


      "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM, 1943

      However, I think it's fairly accurate that they'll only sell five of this product. And millions of consumer-priced ones dervied from that technology. These products are proof-of-concepts, investor relations, public perception and showroom objects. The actual sales are completely insignificant even though it's a high-end, high-margin product because it is so fringe. That they are available at all is like the rest, all about marketing. "nVidia has the world's fastest graphics" sells, just not Quad-SLIs...

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    26. Re:Overkill by drachenstern · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, see I think you missed the point. Originally SLI was to increase the GPU processing output on one monitor by combining the processing capability of two cards. However, due to some "technical limitation", SLI cards running linked like this could only display on one out at a time.

      With this tech, you can now run the SLI to get the performance benefits of linking all four GPUs together if that is what makes you happy, however the power of any one GPU is as good as a two gen old dual card SLI combo, so each GPU can push one monitors worth of output and it still look as good as the older (remem two gens here) cards working in tandem.

      The idea IS to be able to push 4 monitors at high performance, and IF I had that kind of money, I WOULD spend it on this, if only to combine it with some of the new multicore chips that are about to hit market (based on all the speculative vapor_______ that is Silicon Valley).

      As far as better performance on one monitor, you would !!!!probably (I Am Not A Graphics Card Engineer)!!!! be getting about halfway between 1600X1200 and 3200X2400 so probably 2400x1800 or thereabouts with a massive color range (think way beyond 32 bits?)

      Almost all of the information I have used here for my interpretation of these events and counter-argument to the parent post (not troll-argument) is from open and widely available SLI information on numerous websites. If you do not follow my train of logic (except for the combined out resolution stuff), let me know and I will post my info sources (some anyways) here.

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    27. Re:Overkill by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      --low drum sound in background, campfire backlighting, village elder's face --
      Those are drastic words my friend. I would seriously consider waiting till 36" LCD's are free and SLI is too slow before I would invest in this technology as the sole purchase price of giving up the great pleasure that is vi for the user friendliness of EMACS.

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    28. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, guy, dude, guy, dude!

      Linux, Quad-SLI, four of these screens (optional size of 110" to 200"), and two 7.1 channel surround sound audio cards linked up in software to act like one with 14 satellites and 2 sub-woofers.

      That's not "made me jump outta chair" scary computer gaming, that's "holy crap I think I just shit myself and my chest feels awful tight!"

      Overkill? Only to the poor bastard playing. >:)

    29. Re:Overkill by iainl · · Score: 1

      4k is used by the digital effects teams when they're rendering for really large screens and 2k just won't cut it (or the director is greedy, to be honest). So yes, there is a call out there for editors that work with that resolution, and Apple would like to sell to people who are used to using their stuff for 2k work and don't want to swick to the likes of Quantel. When you need a reliable Gb/sec or more in order to store all that, though, you're still talking a BIG box.

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    30. Re:Overkill by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      "As for dual dual-core CPUs, that's also not a stunt, and for the same reason in that it can provide actual performance advantages. Nonstop (fast) DVD-to-DivX encoding while playing F.E.A.R with all the bells and whistles, without buying a separate PC"

      More like nonstop database serving to twice as many users, while taking up half the rack space and being 5x cheaper than an equivilent quad CPU system. Not everything's about gaming, even with high end graphics cards (think: medical imaging, CAD, artists, etc)

    31. Re:Overkill by Nimey · · Score: 1
      Is the slashdot moderation system just a formalized system where a bunch of clueless wanker stand around a water cooler shooting the shit, and each day they draw secret lots to select the toady responsible for telling the other idiots that they're smart, interesting, and funny?


      More or less.
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    32. Re:Overkill by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing the point. . . These $2000 top-top-notch videocards exist only to make the realistic ones reasonably priced. Okay so $2000 was probably a bit of an exaggeration, (based on 4x$500) but when the next gen of cards come out, the current generation takes about 50% price drop, which is when the "real" people actually buy them.

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    33. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, having just looked at the prices, a SLI system can be had on the cheap. Buy a couple 6800s, or 6800GTs (which are about as good as the 7800). The mobos are decently priced... but if you go for the AMD X2 that might put a hurt on your wallet. I am sure there will be plenty more quad PCIEx16 boards available soon.

    34. Re:Overkill by kunsan · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely correct. So long as there is a market (in economic terms it is called "early adopters"), there will always be a bleeding edge product available. IMHO, this is a good thing, because now I can buy a dual SLI gpu for a more reasonable price...Same goes for CPU's, hard drives, RAM, DVD burneres, etc... It may very well be overkill, but too much of a good thing, is not always bad.

      P.S. at my alma mater, Intro Micro and Macro Economics are 3000 level courses, not 101 ;)

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    35. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure where you're getting your benches - I don't think I've ever seen two generation x's in SLI outperform a generation x+1; perhaps 4 will but I doubt it.

      When I bought my SLI motherboard, I bought a single 68000GT, hoping to get another later down the road. Here we are, a year down the road, and it'd be cheaper and faster to get a low-end 7 series. grr.

    36. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Has anyone learned anything an econ 101?"

      I learned that there are WAY more girls in arts courses..

    37. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      More like nonstop database serving to twice as many users, while taking up half the rack space and being 5x cheaper than an equivilent quad CPU system. Not everything's about gaming, even with high end graphics cards (think: medical imaging, CAD, artists, etc)


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    38. Re:Overkill by kesuki · · Score: 1

      well, it's true that's the main reason to run dual dual core cpus, but then they'd be buying the dual core opteron's since they have more cache than the amd 64 x2's dot to mention you can get a 'pair' of the lowest dual core opteron for less money than a single one of the fastest dual core opterons. price-perfomrance is incredibly askew... two $750 chips that have over 160% the operation capabilities of a $1,600-$2,000 chip? sure. if you pair two of those up to $2,000 chips you have a level of perfomance much greater than the $750 opteron 270 but the opteron 280 is really only for those with a load of cash to blow. and they might as well be getting the 880 pay $3,000 per cpu and be able to go 4-way or 8-way, with a suitable backplane.

      16x 2.4 ghz cores. up to 64GB ram. mmm

    39. Re:Overkill by Surt · · Score: 1

      8 grand. ha ha ha.

      This months CPU (computer power user) features a gold-dipped voodoo system selling for a base price of $15000 (and going up with options).

      http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article .asp?article=articles%2Farchive%2Fc0601%2F14c01%2F 14c01.asp&articleid=29318&guid=972259F0597543C89D8 154D4FF63D608

      http://www.voodoopc.com/showroom.aspx?productID=10 90

      Enjoy!

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    40. Re:Overkill by Syberghost · · Score: 1

      I don't think this is aimed at gamers, exactly. I would think this would be aimed at professionals. I could be wrong. Who else would need the ability to drive 4 monitors at over 1600x1200 each?

      That's one of its uses. The other is to drive one monitor at 41 gigapixels a second. As in, 1600x1200 with Anisotropic Filtering and Anti-Aliasing turned up to whatever-the-hell is the highest level (like I'd know with my measely 6800 GS) at 150 frames per second.

    41. Re:Overkill by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      But that scenario is what would be used for a general-puurpose computing application running on 4 GPUs, which would be quite useful in a number of financial and scientific computing areas. The RAM per processor is a bit low, though.

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    42. Re:Overkill by Babbster · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right. I would only say that a) I'm not an IT-type person so I know jack about using PCs in business for anything beyond the most basic functions and b) using multiple processors in applications as you describe has been going on for a long time so the value has already been established, where multiple CPUs in home systems is only very recently becoming "common."

    43. Re:Overkill by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      "but then they'd be buying the dual core opteron's since they have more cache than the amd 64 x2"

      Nope, the higher end X2 at each clock rate comes with 1M L2 per core, just like any Opteron. You won't be getting X2's on dual CPU boards though :)

      "dot to mention you can get a 'pair' of the lowest dual core opteron for less money than a single one of the fastest dual core opterons. price-perfomrance is incredibly askew... two $750 chips that have over 160% the operation capabilities of a $1,600-$2,000 chip?"

      Right; yields of lower clocked dual core parts are higher than those of high clock single cores, so if you need the faster single threaded performance, you better be prepared to pay for it. Some people do, and thus are prepared to pay for it :)

      "the opteron 280 is really only for those with a load of cash to blow. and they might as well be getting the 880 pay $3,000 per cpu and be able to go 4-way or 8-way, with a suitable backplane"

      Going from £1k to £3k per CPU and from £300 to £1000+ per motherboard is a fairly big leap, even for those with a load of cash to blow. Most would be better off buying 2 or 3 dual CPU systems than a single quad.. those that are left generally *do* have loads of cash to blow :)

    44. Re:Overkill by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      The categories don't include the oldest cars, either. I got a 1989 240SX with race suspension adn a 180HP KA24DE (w/3" exhaust, custom header, no cat) for $1500 because it was too old to run in SP. (And the 240SX isn't competitive any more because even though it has only ~160hp stock, it was winning too much in E-SP, so they moved it up to D-SP where it has to compete with cars with nearly twice the horsepower.) You'd have to run it in unlimited (not old enough for classics) where you'd play with the Big Boys(tm). Of course, the same thing happens in "real" (pro) racing, too. There's an endless series of rules changes that have been made essentially to remove specific vehicles from racing series.

      You can buy a used car for SP, but it can't be too old, or you either can't run it, or won't be able to run it long.

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    45. Re:Overkill by Viking+Coder · · Score: 1

      Bragging rights?

      Guess again.

      Just because you think video cards are only for gaming doesn't make it so. There are people using video cards for scientific and medical visualization, and saving lives doing it.

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    46. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a hard core gamer and beleive me, this rig is SPECIFICALLY directed at me, not some profesionnal who has to explain to his boss why he would need such a rig. This rig's power is not usefull to anyone right now so there is no reason a professional needs it. I, on the other hand, need it to drive my 30" Apple cinema LCD display (official excuse) and becaus I want to own the best (real reason).

      Of course the average joe can only dream of owning this system but the target customer, the hard core gamer, will only be too willing to shell up the cash for such a dream machine.

      Check Six!

    47. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a bunch of tools. Only rich people get away with buying things that are so ugly. Not only that $15K only buys a three year warranty! My $200 SCSI hard drives have warranties longer than that!

  13. When... by jolar · · Score: 0

    .. are they going to put all this shit on one board, like 3DFX used to with their Voodoo cards? Or does it not work like that? Can someone explain?

  14. From the article by Sduic · · Score: 1

    "Damn that's a nice looking case!" No wait! It really IS on fire!

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    1. Re:From the article by User+956 · · Score: 1

      Those flames look like Mike Lavalle's work. I wonder if he had anything to do with it?

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  15. In general by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am usually more impressed with seeing a little of something new, than I am with seeing a lot of something old.

    This falls into the latter camp. Yawn.

  16. And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by TMonks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the looks of that picture, the motherboard and case only support four total expansion slots. What about sound cards and other PCI peripherals? Are extreme gamers now going to be forced to live with built-in sound? If I were going to pay $6,000-$8,000 or even more for an absolute top-of-the-line system I think I might want something more than just raw graphics power.

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    1. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      You've got a six-channel sound card with optical out. What do you need a sound card for?

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    2. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capturing? MIDI? Perhaps even... ...quality?

    3. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

      It's likely just a demo for the time being. Owning a Dell with a microATX board myself, I can tell you those cards wouldn't fit into the case.

    4. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      6 channels means 3 stereo audio streams. No more. So if you have a stereo sound track, there go two of them. Now you only have 4 channels for the game itself. Or maybe you are monitoring several videos at once. After the third, no more sound. 6 channels is almost worthless. Even my aging SBLIve can do 64. And for gamers, there is always the opportunity to add more simultaneous sound to the environment.

    5. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by Surt · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly troll, my 6 channel motherboard drives 6 speakers and a subwoofer, mic, line in, SPDIF in and out both RCA and optical. It's capable of mixing at least 128 software audio channels. And I tend to have less driver issues with my motherboard audio than any Creative soundcard I've tried. But I must admit that WinXP64 doesn't play nice with it.

    7. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Channel as in 'number of speakers you can plug into it,' not channel as in 'mixer streams.' Think surround sound.

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    8. Re:And what about the extra PCI Slots??? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Six output channels, yo. One per speaker.

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  17. CGMT by Konster · · Score: 4, Funny

    I got one of the first run today.

    On the front of the case it has a little sticker that reads, "Windows Vista Ready."

    1. Re:CGMT by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Looks like Mike Lavallee's paint work, he's been on Discovery and a couple of other custom auto TV shows.

      http://www.killerpaint.com/

    2. Re:CGMT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Note to idiots: Copy the URL destination, go to http://www.pcper.com, then paste it into the address bar.

    3. Re:CGMT by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      Funny, but it's not.

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    4. Re:CGMT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, something that probably cost more than the rest of the system.

  18. Cost? by Stalli0n · · Score: 1

    Being that two current-gen 7800 512MB's cost around $1,400 alone, this setup is going to be at least $2,200. Hopefully current-gen mobos will support it. Better open that second savings account...

    1. Re:Cost? by SuneSpeg · · Score: 1

      > Being that two current-gen 7800 512MB's cost around $1,400 alone, this setup is going to be at least $2,200

      Ehh... 2*$1400..hmm... yes your right, its gonna be more than $2200 !

    2. Re:Cost? by RemovableBait · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      "Consider the standard Dell SLI system costs around $3-4,000 you can expect this custom designed PC to cost at least double that."

      And the motherboard it is using is an nForce4 SLI X16, these cards require the nVidia X16 mobo chipset. So yeah, by the time you've saved enough, the brand new Octuple-SLI will be out...

  19. CGMT by Konster · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/195/shipcase_2 .jpg

    That isn't the paint job. It's a translucent case!

  20. Vista? by Ryan+Mallon · · Score: 3, Funny

    It may just be powerful enough to draw the desktop in Windows Vista ;-)

  21. Allready done. by Vaakku · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tomshardware tested this kind of setup few weeks ago. Link to story and some benchmarks. http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/14/sneak_previ ew_of_the_nvidia_quad_gpu_setup/

  22. And by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2, Funny

    The case is actually made of a clear material.

    http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/195/shipcase_2 .jpg

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    1. Re:And by BJH · · Score: 2, Informative

      Copy and paste the link; it should work fine.

    2. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually pretty funny if you bother to check it out the linked image...

    3. Re:And by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      I have a program that changes all referrer fields to the target domain.

      the pics worked just fine for me

      oh, and I had the exact same joke when i saw the pics.

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  23. blah dell blah blah by rootedgimp · · Score: 1

    when it comes to a gaming system, why is it that usually you end up spending so much less building it yourself with much higher quality parts. ive worked on and played on enough assembly line 'customised' pc's to say that every major manufacturer skimps hard on very important parts, especially motherboards. i wont use anything other than abit and asus. been that way many years. even if you subtract all the useless junk that comes preloaded with those systems, you end up alot of times with very specific driver problems, and sometimes you just plain cannot use the gpu manufacturers 'pack' drivers (even moreso true with laptops). anyway... im sure some rich kid won't mind the vendors quality/quantity performance difference when he's playing it on his 4 projectors.

    1. Re:blah dell blah blah by systmoadownfreak · · Score: 1

      very true, very true. Yah, I myself have used Asus for the last three systems I've built and I've been happy with all of them.

  24. GPU progress by networkzombie · · Score: 0

    I used to use accelerators like the old Voodoo Monster. They went away quickly because the evolution of GPUs is fast. Isn't SLI going to always be too late to market the same way? This has already happened with the SLI once. They skipped to the 7800 series right away. AGP is out. PCIe has become x16. I'm not going SLI because I'm happy with my DDR3 6800GT until Asus releases next NVIDIA chipset that maximizes the bandwidth of my board. Might be tomorrow. Shit. I'll need MaxUltraUberPCIe just to handle the one card. How big is the market for SLI anyway?

  25. "That's no power supply ... " by H_Fisher · · Score: 4, Funny
    No word yet on power consumption and heat levels, of course."

    Bleeding edge gamer: "Hey, guys? I'm about to start Doom 3! Activate the Quad SLI!"
    Gamer's best bud: "Commence primary ignition!"
    Dude's buddy flips switches to crank up liquid nitrogen pump and nuclear power-plant tie-in.
    Sound of neighboring houses' power being drained:
    Beeooooooooooo...!
    Other buddy looks away from the see-thru case mod, and covers his eyes...

    Yeah. Something like that.

    1. Re:"That's no power supply ... " by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      They'll need that new nookyooler fusion power supply. 120V AC ain't gonna cut it!

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    2. Re:"That's no power supply ... " by kesuki · · Score: 1

      Scotty we need more power!
      I'm givin' her all she's got, Captain, but we need more dilithium crystals!

      I think that sums up the power requirements nicely.

  26. I smell a Beowulf reference... by nobodyman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm inclined to crack jokes, but I've been out of the game for a long time so I have questions. Better do both.

    - I couldn't really tell, but in the images it only looks like the mobo has one cpu. Just one? I imagine the kind of frea^H^H^H^H consumer who would go for 4way SLI would demand nothing less than 2 dual-core CPU's.

    - If it does only have 1 cpu, or even 1 dual core cpu, wont the games be CPU limited before you even scratch the surface of this qual-sli madness?

    - They've drawn flames on this thing. I imagine this is redundant given the heat it will produce, and ultimately confusing to the jerk^H^H^H^H consumer when it actually does burst into flames. :-)

    1. Re:I smell a Beowulf reference... by doublebackslash · · Score: 1

      Anything less than windows server 2003 standard edition (not small business, I think?) will only support 2 cpus.
      Anyway, in server 2003 there is little driver support in the graphics card world for server 2003, and for many other pc parts for that matter. Plus a copy of server will run you upwards of $1000. T

      PLUS, most games are gpu limited anyway, not cpu.

      Dual core is on there I'm sure, but right now most games aren't even optimized for that, let alone 4!

      On top of it all the P4 does not support a 2 cpu rig, that would be a Xenon. You priced a dual core/dualcpu capable chip lately. I'm not even sure they exist, but just a dual core Xenon is...ouch.

      Thats why.

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    2. Re:I smell a Beowulf reference... by typical · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two reasons:

      (1) In the past couple years multi-processor systems have slid further out of the hobbyist market and towards the server market.

      (2) While it's not that uncommon to run sound processing or something relatively light in a second thread, most games do most of their work in a single thread. If you're buying a system to game rather than to run PHP for Apache, getting more CPUs probably isn't going to help you much.

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    3. Re:I smell a Beowulf reference... by ottffssent · · Score: 2, Informative

      A couple points.

      It's got a four and a quarter gigahertz dual-core Pentium in it. Overclocked like that, the Pentium can probably keep up with a fast Athlon.

      There don't seem to be benchmark results anywhere, but if Tom (yeah, I know) is anywhere near right, Intel and Nvidia would have to have gotten a lot of optimization done to make this anywhere near useful. And I mean that in the loosest sense of the term: faster with 4 GPUs than with 2.

      Also, you need to be playing games at 1600x1200 or higher resolution, with all the eye candy turned up, to notice a difference. This isn't so much an issue of having a fast enough CPU to keep up. It's really more about piling on enough pointless eye candy to slow the GPUs down to a speed the CPU can handle.

    4. Re:I smell a Beowulf reference... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      On top of it all the P4 does not support a 2 cpu rig, that would be a Xenon. You priced a dual core/dualcpu capable chip lately. I'm not even sure they exist, but just a dual core Xenon is...ouch.

      Yeah I have - they cost around $250, but usually aren't SLI. Of course, I was looking at AMD chips; none of that inferior Intel crap fo me.

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    5. Re:I smell a Beowulf reference... by emarkp · · Score: 1
      Anything less than windows server 2003 standard edition (not small business, I think?) will only support 2 cpus.
      Right, but that's really 2 CPU packages. We run dual-CPU dual-core Athlons at work quite frequently on XP Pro. My understanding is that MS has said that per-package license will continue to be policy. I'm really hoping AMD can cram 4 CPU-cores on a package in the near future.
    6. Re:I smell a Beowulf reference... by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you can find the Asus board, look for a PC-DL and two Intel Xeons 3.06Ghz, you're only going to be set back about $600 - 800, so long as you're looking for deals. Throw in the ram and you're not going to snag a grand.

      The only problem is I haven't found a board that I like as much as this with 2 PCIe x16 and a 800/1066 fsb (400/533), as well as all the onboard outs (storage, etc) so if anyones seen a better one, let me know, okay?

      i only posted this because apparently people think dual Z's are expensive systems, not really for a good performer

      Now can the chip demons out there tell me if the Z is truly a P4 with the server extensions or if they really did redo the P4 after HT so that they are playing around with 6 cores like they used to be?

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    7. Re:I smell a Beowulf reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, most games won't be CPU limited since higher graphical detail doesn't require more CPU power. If you take a look at new games like Quake 4 and F.E.A.R they are very GPU limited.

      Quake 4 @ low resolution:

      http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4_dual-c ore_performance/images/amd800.gif

      Quake 4 @ high resolution:

      http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4_dual-c ore_performance/images/amd6xaa.gif

  27. Who needs to buy an XBOX 360... by the_macman · · Score: 1

    When I can buy this thing and probably emulate one, while playing Quake 4 and Half Life 2 in the background. hee hee hee

    1. Re:Who needs to buy an XBOX 360... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because an XBOX 360 costs $399, and this will cost >$5000... duh

  28. The law of diminishing returns by Travoltus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    has been triggered by this setup.

    There's no way even a dual cpu setup could produce enough computing power to actually push a quad SLI GFX 7800 to its maximum output. There'll be bottlenecks with CPU speed, memory speed, and quite often, the performance of the hard drive itself. I bet even the operating system will present another bottleneck.

    I'd love to see how this performs in benchmarks, and how much advantage it has over regular SLI (2) cards.

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    1. Re:The law of diminishing returns by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      Ask and ye shall recieve. (Quick answer, 70% increase)

      http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/14/sneak_previ ew_of_the_nvidia_quad_gpu_setup/

    2. Re:The law of diminishing returns by syousef · · Score: 1

      Um, the setup in Tom's is a quad 7800 GT. The cards in the article run 7800 GTX. That X is very important speed wise. Also, NVidia and ASUS have done it slightly differently, and I'm not sure which is better but I'm guessing NVidia. I just hope they put out stable @#$@ing drivers!

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    3. Re:The law of diminishing returns by coopaq · · Score: 1
      There's no way even a dual cpu setup could produce enough computing power to actually push a quad SLI GFX 7800 to its maximum output.

      Why not?

      There'll be bottlenecks with CPU speed, memory speed, and quite often, the performance of the hard drive itself.

      The harddrive?

      I bet even the operating system will present another bottleneck.

      Really? How so?

      Lets see if it can plateau with Battlefield 2 with 8xFSAA (SuperSampling?) and 16AF and 2048x1536x32bbp or any game made next year.

    4. Re:The law of diminishing returns by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      That's really not an absolute given. It just depends how much you can slow down the graphics cards. I can certainly imagine a static object in a VBO/Display List, with a really fancy pixel shader, rendered in high res, with anti-aliasing cranked up, needing very little CPU time, but bringing even this beast to run hard. It is a very narrow focus to have so much GPU power available relative to such modest CPU, but there are folks who could use exactly that. My first thought would be architectural vis people. Architecture walkthroughs are generally just static geometry, and you want it to look super dooper purty for the client while they walk through.

    5. Re:The law of diminishing returns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can imagine situations where the video card is waiting for commands from the CPU, for one. Instead of the CPU waiting for the video card to catch up, the exact opposite could now happen. In any case, the game's speed is only as great as its slowest link.

      The hard drive would be involved in the initial uploading of textures. If all 2 gigs of texture memory is brought to bear, that guarantees a LONG initial loading time. Games tend to access the hard drive constantly during play as well, and that would also slow things down.

      As for the operating system bottleneck, hello, driver efficiency issues, anyone? I can imagine Windows XP or Vista will also have burps dealing with this kind of quad setup. The review posted at Tom's Hardware showed that the operating system had major crashing issues and funky output with certain games while using this quad setup.

      None of these problems are inherently unsolvable, though - major future driver optimizations will undoubtedly be needed to make this quad SLI setup reliably usable for the garden variety cash-overloaded gamer adventurous enough to go plai-er, quad.

    6. Re:The law of diminishing returns by Wonko · · Score: 1

      If all 2 gigs of texture memory is brought to bear, that guarantees a LONG initial loading time.

      I know very little about how SLI actually works, but... Wouldn't each GPU need a copy of each texture in local RAM? If so, this rig would be limited to 512 MB of textures. :)

  29. Bad combination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since this is Dell, the Quad-SLI config is obviously going to be paired up with a Pentium 4. What a fucking waste. The highest-end Pentium 4s get trounced by middle-low-end Athlon 64s when it comes to gaming, and here they are putting the mediocre processor in charge of four high-powered video cards.

    Laaaame.

  30. jobs? by faderus · · Score: 1

    What the hell kind of person has 6-8k to spend on a gaming computer and time to play it?

    1. Re:jobs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Celebrities. Snoop Dogg's going to invite Paris and Beyonce over to his hizzouse, where they gonna lay one down... fo' shizzle.

    2. Re:jobs? by Serapth · · Score: 1

      Funny, I sorta figured the opposite. Anyone willing to spend 6-8K on a gaming machine probrably has all the time in the world to spend on it. You know, without having all those hassles, like, say... a girlfriend, or... a life... Plenty of time to spend.

    3. Re:jobs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you answered your own question there... :)

    4. Re:jobs? by markiv34 · · Score: 0

      Most of the software engineers in US make more than 40,000 US dollars per year, it would be very affordable for engineers etc. People in India, Pakistan are buying computers for gaming. It's all a matter of priorities and preference, some people find gaming boring and others enjoy it.

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    5. Re:jobs? by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      the same type of person who can spend 6-8k on a sound system and listen to it. it's really not a lot if u want it. some people have enough money where 8k won't make a dent. others shift around their priorities. ever seen bmws parked in the projects? most people either don't have the money to waste, or the desire though.

  31. Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was done by Gigabyte some time ago.
    Quad SLI board, voila: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/10/04/one_gigabyt e_motherboard/

    However, it did not perform better in various benchmarks. Mayby that's what will change now?

    -JaL

  32. And by richdun · · Score: 1

    You both linked to a site that prohibits leeching, so we can't see the image when we click on your links.

  33. 30" LCD by Jonas56 · · Score: 1

    They also demoed their new 30" LCD, which supports resolutions up to 2560x1600. Given that a single one of these cards is only just playable at max settings in some of today's games at 1280x960, I don't see this as being too much overkill. Albeit insanely expensive, but to each his own.

    1. Re:30" LCD by JackAxe · · Score: 1

      Yeah, games like F.E.A.R would definitely use all 4 GPUS at that resolution if set to max detail. Games like Quake 4, which looks better IMO, could easily get buy with just 2 GPUS on ultra quality at tht rez though. :)

      I run an Apple HD 30" on my DP G5 with a 6800 Ultra. The few games I actually play, like WC3 mods and I've tried WOW run great at 2560x1600, but of course they're not using the latest eye candy. I wouldn't want to run this screen on my PCs though, at least not on the current version of Windows. OS X at least accelerates all aspects of the GUI via the GPU and fully supports that resolution. Only older games won't run at that rez and are limited to 2048x1536. But I didn't buy this screen for games, I bought it for my profession.

  34. Marketing Gimmick? by RickPartin · · Score: 1

    Dell has really been pushing their XPS gaming machine brand lately. Could this just be a marketing gimmick?

    1. Build the most ultimate uber neeto cool computer that all of use geeks will talk about.
    2. People see XPS as the most advanced gaming machines.
    3. Everyone buys the normal priced systems instead of the one with 3489 video cards.
    4. PROFIT!

    1. Re:Marketing Gimmick? by tradiuz · · Score: 1

      You forgot the schema of the 3 part = Profit!

      1. Build the most Über gamer computer ever, with a similar name to some crappy computers. 2. ?????? 3. Profit!

    2. Re:Marketing Gimmick? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Just remember, follow every "Dude, you got a Dell!" utterance with "It's made of shit and failure."

  35. Heater by ozTravman · · Score: 1

    There have often been times where I have thought "I really need a computer with 4 GPU's", but the added benefit is I won't need central heating in winter!

  36. Excellent. Here's the logic for my wife.... by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 1

    We need a new furnace for the house, but this beast will easily keep my house ( located in the nether regions of Canada ) warm all winter. I am only disappointed that this rig will cost about the same as a new furnace.

    1. Re:Excellent. Here's the logic for my wife.... by daverabbitz · · Score: 1

      >We need a new furnace for the house, but this beast will easily keep my house ( located in the nether regions of Canada ) warm all >winter. I am only disappointed that this rig will cost about the same as a new furnace.
      But it will be much more fun ;), on the other hand a furnace isn't obsolete in 18 months.

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  37. Power? Heat? by Armadni+General · · Score: 1

    Currently, a 7800GTX-512 made by BFG requires a minimum 400-watt power supply, with a 12v rail rating of 26 amps, to run stable.

    One of these cards tends to run from 40-50 degrees Celsius at idle, and 60-75 under load.

    What these people suggest to do...is put four of the damn things in one place? So, what are we talking about here? Triple power supplies? Ten 8,000rpm, 200mm fans? Because I really don't see any other way around it.

  38. Low Performance + Not compatible with major games by Nazmun · · Score: 3, Informative

    After extensive testing we have found these PC's aren't able to run numerous popular games. The games that this machine runs, does so at a much lower frame rate then expected.

    Unless Dell changes their software policy and stops shipping new systems with so much crap @ startup it won't matter how good the hardware is. To get decent performance from one of Dell's recent gaming machines one has to spend over an hour uninstalling crap and disabling random services @ startup.

    The following is a hardocp review of the Dell Dimensions XPS 400. Covers the buying process, Dell's support, along with the hardware and software it ships with. The system's hardware potential was great, too bad you had to make an extensive software cleanup make this perform respectibly.

    http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=OTI0

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  39. /me clicks stopwatch by Matey-O · · Score: 1

    To time how long it takes to get this kind of power in a single $75 valu-edition graphics card. My bet is 1Q2008.

    I mean, really, how does your current video card stack up to a dual-card solution, circa 1996?

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    1. Re:/me clicks stopwatch by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

      Given the speed they've been releasing them at lately, summer 2007 sounds a bit more realistic.

    2. Re:/me clicks stopwatch by Xugumad · · Score: 1

      I've got to say, 1Q2008 sounds good. Not to mention, single high-end cards will probably match it for speed sometime in 2007...

  40. It's for creating assets, not code by tepples · · Score: 1

    Going ridiculously overboard on CPU power is for creating cut-scenes, maps, models, textures, and other non-program assets. Program code would still be profiled on systems similar to the production system.

    1. Re:It's for creating assets, not code by indifferent+children · · Score: 1
      Going ridiculously overboard on CPU power is for creating cut-scenes, maps...

      That isn't 'ridiculously overboard', it's the minimum GPU requirement for Vista's new window manager.

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  41. That's hot... by confusedneutrino · · Score: 1

    ... in many, sadly exclusive ways.

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  42. Bring it on! by dbIII · · Score: 1
    Most of the high-end shit is for bragging rights...period. Trust me, it's not over. Expect to see rigs going for 8 grand
    Keep it going guys! Cheap high performace clusters are built from what is effectively gaming god boxes without the expensive video gear.
  43. But it's going to have an Intel CPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is going to spend so much money on a system with such an expensive graphics card setup but with an Intel processor? AMD's processors are superior to Intels when it comes to gamming (and also just about every other area except for video/audio encoding).

    1. Re:But it's going to have an Intel CPU by neilyos · · Score: 1

      with that much GPU power, the CPU becomes a non-issue. Seriously, once you get to like 1600x1200 and higher, or even 1280x1024, it's all about your video card(s), and framerates are no longer determined by your CPU, as long as you have a reasonably high end cpu (which this system will no doubt have).

    2. Re:But it's going to have an Intel CPU by PeterAT · · Score: 1

      I wish I could agree but time and again Graphics tests have shown us that at the very high end you are only limited by CPU and your GPU's just are not working as hard as they could. I think as soon as we see benchmarks on this configuration that will become obvious. That being the case the Intel CPU is going to restrict the graphics more then an AMD one would at the moment... Of course I want to play half life in 1600x1200@150fps 32xaa 16xaf

  44. FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by syousef · · Score: 1

    Bragging rights?

    I want something that'll give me at least 3 screens on MS flight sim 2004 (and FSX when it's released).

    This setup would allow me to turn everything up and have it running on 4 screens! If the price comes down by the end of the year I'll be considering this sort of thing (realistically I'll probably end up with the mid range cards of the day rather than top of the line). ...and in non-specialist situations the speed's going to be a godsend when the next wave of resource hogging eye candy (games) comes along. I want to keep my next rig for 3-4 years.

    I could give a @#$k about bragging rights.

    And for those of you who think 3 screens are a gimmick, try landing a 747 with a 3 or 4 screen setup before you say so. Makes the experience much more fun.

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    1. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      3 screens IS a gimmick. It is just a trick to get a more useful aspect ratio. A single panoramic projector that does 4800x1200 resolution is better than 3 1600x1200 screens. I am actually surprised no one has started producing arc-shaped LCDs, for flight sims and even normal desktop work it would be kinda useful to have a very very wide display curving from one side of your desk to the other.

    2. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by Skowronek · · Score: 1

      I suspect that making glass of the excellent flatness required for TFT LCDs is hard enough when the LCD is planar, much less curved. In addition, coating it later with an uniform layer of amorphous silicon, lithography etc depend on the surface being planar.

    3. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by Babbster · · Score: 1

      How about a long (like three to four feet), high-res OLED "roll-up" screen that could be shaped anywhere from flat to semi-circle to a circle (with one's head in it)? It would probably take some extra software/OS configuration work but you could make one nice HUD out of it.

    4. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just remember sli turns off multiple monitors :(

    5. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by PFI_Optix · · Score: 0

      Which is just evil. I'm hoping for a new version of SLI which can intelligently turn off multiple monitors for specific functions and allow the video cards to function independently when SLI isn't implemented.

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    6. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Informative

      Multiple screens are indeed a great thing for flight sims. I'm just about to finish my private pilot training, and the first thing my instructor told me when I started was "stay away from a flight sim for right now".

      Reason being, with a flight sim, you learn to look straight at the monitor. Sure there's a view hat, but in general you still keep your eyes fixed directly ahead. This can lead to some very bad habits as when flying a real plane, you have to be constantly looking all around and scanning the sky for traffic avoidance.

      Flight sims that allow you to physically look around to different sides help with this a lot. They still don't solve the other issue though, in that most people don't have a force-feedback control, so you don't really get a good feel for the varying pressures and "bumpiness" that is there in a real plane.

      In reality, single display sims are just not that good for teaching basic flying, though they can be used to help with instrument procedures, navigation, and other such thing.

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    7. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by Stele · · Score: 1

      You need a TrackIR (http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/). You can physically turn your head and "look around" in the sim cockpit. I'm a Private Pilot and I practiced in my own simulator, using head-tracking to eye the landing pattern.

      Now I've upgraded my simulator and am using it to practice IFR.

      http://www.fxtech.com/gallery/simulator/IMG_2949_e dited

    8. Re:FS2004 and FSX - not overkill by syousef · · Score: 1

      As I understand it you move your head, but have to keep your eyeballs fixed to the screen. Isn't that disorienting? I would have thought multiple screens where you turn your head and your eyes go to the same place would be better? I've never tried trackIR though.

      Not trolling. I genuinely don't understand.

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  45. Mobile SLI-prototype ("MSI demos MXM in SLI") by eddy · · Score: 1

    Saw this funny thing today at TechReport, a PCIe card where you can mount two mobile graphics modules/cards (MXM) for SLI in desktop systems. Weird prototype thingy. Not sure what market this is targeting...

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    1. Re:Mobile SLI-prototype ("MSI demos MXM in SLI") by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 1

      It's the "Oh my God, it's Red!" crowd. Trust me.

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  46. Too bad... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

    That the Intel processor will be the limitation of that system :)

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  47. Outboard PSUs on prototypes by cojsl · · Score: 1

    Tom's hardware's preview of dual 7800GT cards recorded 377 Watts power consumption. The cards each had their own external power brick! Dell will almost certainly have integrated power. Finally, an application for those 1000W PSUs..

  48. Better Innovation by jimboisbored · · Score: 1

    Honestly, when are developers going to get back to innovation instead of throwing more raw power at everything. It always seems like the answer is throw more at it. They should be looking into more power efficent performance chips that will actually run on a 4-500 watt power supply instead of just throwing more processors and ram on an even bigger PCB. It is getting ridiculous, although the thought of the machine's power makes me wet. Alright then, end rant.

    1. Re:Better Innovation by Vengeance · · Score: 1

      It's out there. Check out what S3 is doing with their newest graphics chips. Not top-of-the-line performance, I'll grant you, but very efficient compared with the other solutions that are out there.

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  49. Not quite the first ... but hooray anyway by RageEX · · Score: 1
    ASUS seems to be working on something very similar but in a smaller package (2 PCB each with 2 GPUs and ugly external PSUs).

    Sigh, it looks like the majors are finally catching up with my Onyx2. I remember back in the day seeing Indigo2 systems with Extreme (funny how SGI was even ahead of the curve on over using the word 'extreme' and the letter 'x') graphics which has 8 GEs on two multi-chip modules. Well though they're slow today they're still built like tanks, fun to use, and pretty as hell.

    I say hell yeah to multiple GPUs! Finally. I hope they'll make Quadros for us 'professional users' which won't have Xs in the model name and will be on plain green PCB with regular heatsinks (remember the ones without the LEDs and holograms?).

  50. What by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    You mean you didn't read the story first?

    Shocking!

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    1. Re:What by richdun · · Score: 1

      There's a story? What? I thought this was a comment-on-a-random-often-poorly-worded-paragraph site. ;)

  51. Laggy Vista! by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Yeah it will be enough to draw the desktop but forget about seeing Clippy move. He's gonna be one laggy mofo!

  52. still early tech, so I'm sceptical by themysteryman73 · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of Asus's Quad 7800GT setup tested on Tom's Hardware a while ago, because it's such early tech, on most tests it was beaten by a two-GPU 7800GTX SLI setup and not everything ran properly, either. I'll way to see how this one turns out, but so far, I'm sceptical.

  53. So deliciously wrong. by Kapten+Kalabajooie · · Score: 1

    It's just... unnatural. Four GPU cores? 2 gigs of RAM? 96 pixel pipes? It was never meant to be! ...I MUST HAVE TWO! GIVE THEM TO ME!!! I hope I can order one from Dell directly. I don't want to be forced to buy their proprietary crap.

  54. I'm sorry but this looks not quite "real" by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    am I the only one who has thought that? I mean really, who is going to buy 4 of those video cards? Are we supposed to believe a very smart company like nvidia would waste their time with a venture like this? If they expect us to believe that, then i'll believe that nvidia has reached their graphics card ceiling, becuase theres no way they would bother with quad sli, which about .025% of the population could afford / want. I only have a very high end AGP card and it runs every game out there quite nicely - only FEAR gives it any trouble.

  55. #70 by ravyne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd just like to point out that the 5.2 Terraflops of computing power they quote would place it at #70 on the top500 Supercomputer list! While I realize that its by now means a general processor, its still quite amazing that they've reached that kind of computing density, albeit in a well defined and inherantly paralizable problem domain.

    It edges out Russia's Joint Supercomputer Center, which uses an MVS-15000BM, eServer BladeCenter JS20 containing 924 IBM PowerPC970 processors at 2.2 GHz for the #70 spot.

    1. Re:#70 by RemovableBait · · Score: 1

      But, c'mon now, do you really believe that they've managed to put the equivalent of 924 2.2GHz processors into a consumer rig? I certainly don't :)

      Just like I don't really believe the PS3 has a 'supercomputer on a chip'. Manufacturers love to take things out of context, and that makes big meaningless numbers which generate sales.

      I can almost smell the burning karma, but I bet that entire rig won't put out 1 Teraflop in practice.

  56. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by mixmasta · · Score: 1

    Who doesn't spend an hour configuring a brand new machine? XP needs serious tweaks on install by default anyway. That is unless you want to be owned in 5 minutes.

    Annoying, but not the end of the world.

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  57. For future performance by emarkp · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually, one value for this is in predicting future generations of video cards early in the dev cycyle. When I worked at Intel, the research group would freon-cool the newest chip off the assembly line. They told us it basically did the job of showing us how the next (18 months away) shrink would perform.

    The same would go for graphics performance. In theory this should allow a game company to design for the next gen of graphics processors today from a performance perspective, though not from a feature perspective.

    1. Re:For future performance by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      I want open specification hardware that kicks ass under Linux.

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  58. Sneaky by DeadBugs · · Score: 1

    Now you can order a Dell at work and actually be proud of it. This may be a tiny bit easier to sneak past accounting because it has the Dell logo on it. However when they see the price tag that might change. Don't forget to add one of those new Dell 30" monitors.

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  59. 640k... by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, has to be said...

    No one needs quad sli, and of course - 640k ought to be enough for anybody.

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    1. Re:640k... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent up, PLEASE!!!

      LOL, that's funny.

      okay, not really, but it was.

  60. That's Kinda What They Already Do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For example, first generation has 4 pixel processing units, next gen has 8, then 16 etc.

    Graphics cards are already extremely parallel, with multiple pixel processing and vertex processing units, just stringing together two cheap cards would unlikely work as well as several chips designed to work in concert.

  61. The best part by floodo1 · · Score: 0

    its powered by INTEL!
    /die_crying

    (Disclaimer: this is an assumption)

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  62. Re:This would be funny (if it wasn't so sad) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Golf isn't a sport and neither is PC gaming. It isn't extreme, it's childish. Its for kids. If one was going to use this system for something productive I could see it (video editing, elect) but not small minded RPG and endless FPS. Gameover...get a life!

  63. Ho hum by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 1

    Until nVidia figures out whatever patent fuckup they got themselves into with SGI and resolves it so we can have open source accelerated drivers, the product in this article is just another expensive, shiny piece of unusable shit.

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  64. Re:I rather spend my money on other things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It doesn't matter how much you pay for your system. It will be outdated in two years. You will need a system with a least 16gigs of memory, countless terabytes of hard disk space, and 4 cores within two to three years. Windows Vista and OSX 10.5 are going to be resource hogs. You will be able to run them on much less hardware but why would you want too?

    I think you need at least two cores @64bit with 4096MB of memory and at least a TB of disk space. A good video card with at least 512mb of memory and a next generation dvd burner. In two years this system will cost less then $1000.

  65. Is there much benefit to more 3d hardware? by typical · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I only have a very high end AGP card and it runs every game out there quite nicely - only FEAR gives it any trouble.

    You know...it isn't actually all that important to have fancy hardware to make a good, fun, replayable game. Oh, it's easier to sell games with fancy graphics -- you can slap screenshots all over the box. Ultimately, though, there are an awful lot of more-technically-advanced games that have falled by the wayside, and I've played a lot more angband and tetris than any of them, and kept playing over the years.

    I'm not denying that you can make more accurate renditions of real-world environments...but does that really make for better games?

    Nintendo started to deviate from this a while ago -- most of Nintendo's 3d games are graphically pretty primitive compared to the competition. However, you can't deny that they make some very entertaining software.

    It's always nice to have more tools...but ultimately, these days, a little more 3d hardware doesn't really buy you much more game.

    My favorite PSP game is Lumines, which is possibly the most graphically primitive game on the PSP. It uses...well...alpha blending, a handful of textures, and that's it that I can think of off the top of my head. It doesn't even do any perspective rendering.

    I can already empathize with characters in 3d games -- the limiting factor isn't the polygon count or the texture resolution, but in how good the modelling and animation is -- not a hardware-dependent issue.

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    1. Re:Is there much benefit to more 3d hardware? by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

      but for FPS, having a high end grphx card means life or death. I know in BF2 when i'm in a helo, I can tell if someone has a crappy card or not.

  66. SLI is cool, but this is ridiculous by MattW · · Score: 1

    I have an SLI system I bought almost a year ago now. Dual 6800GTs and a substantially overclocked Athlon 64. The box is definitely badass, but frankly, what nvidia needs to do is get more game developers making their games work with SLI. Recently City of Villains came out. I play at 1600x1200, and a single 6800GT is not cutting it with all the bells and whistles. (They added antialiasing, specular bloom, and depth of field effects, plus the poly counts are supposedly higher than in CoH with larger textures)

    But CoV cannot gain from SLI. At all. Yeah, I once had a 3dmark score that was like 9% less than the very top of the chart. Doom3 was awesome. HL2 was awesome. But nVidia needs to push people who are slapping logos like "the way it's meant to be played" on their games to support the high end systems.

    The other serious problem here is CPU power. Most games aren't going to be able to take advantage of many processors, and it's hard to imagine a game that won't be CPU-bound long before it is GPU-bound by a 4x7800 GTX setup. It's already possible to be completely CPU bound with 2x7800 GTXs, let alone with 4. It seems probably that you'll have massive GPU power that will never get used. Plus, what game is designed with a system 3-4x as powerful as a "normal" top-of-the-line system? A game in development now coming out "soon" (I'm thinking of NWN2 here, due in about 5-6 months, for example), is likely going to support something around a geforce 5900 through the 7800gtx, with some nod to SLI from "big" games. (Maybe even another generation older; probably whichever geforce model first properly implemented shader 2.0 is the "low end")

    Anyhow, this sounds like a nice marketing gimmick, but putting this in your house is probably about as practical as commuting in a McLaren F1.

  67. 32bit OS memory addressing limit by Kagami001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this is being used with 32-bit Windows XP for gaming, does that mean the machines virtual address space is more than maxed out with 2GB of main RAM + 2GB of VRAM + other hardware memory overhead on top of that? How much actual addressable physical RAM is left for the OS and applications?

    1. Re:32bit OS memory addressing limit by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Video memory is not directly addressable by the processor; it is read/written to using the PCI bus. Even if some of it is mapped into the CPU's virtual address space, it is likely that not all 2 GB will be mapped at the same time (especially considering that the contents of each card's 512 MB will be mostly duplicated except for the frame buffers; what a waste of RAM!).

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  68. Look at the size of that thing by Icyfire0573 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but if you look at this picture http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/195/specs_2.jp g the video card is longer than the motherboard, man that gave me a laugh

  69. factory overclocked? by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

    i can't see dell shipping machines overlocked from the factory like this one. seems more like CES candy, like the 105 plasmas.

  70. And now by inphizzible_friend · · Score: 1

    To pullit all apart in a massive pile o' bits. Only to re-assemble it in the worst giant robot ever...

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  71. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by 16777216 · · Score: 1

    What in the hell are you talking about, 30 miniuts tweaking and uninstalling software? It's easy 1. Insert fav GNU/Linux distro. 2. Hit reset 3. Enjoy

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  72. Only 4? by StoatBringer · · Score: 1

    Meh.. I won't be happy until I have one GPU per pixel.

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    1. Re:Only 4? by Skowronek · · Score: 2, Funny

      What you say has been done, and has been already researched in Pixel Planes!

  73. in other news by bigalsenior · · Score: 0

    nvidia and dell to go into industrial space heating market

  74. You shouldn't mock this by dalesc · · Score: 0

    It is the recommended configuration for acceptable graphics performance on Windows Vista.

  75. Please, AUS?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are the worst arses when it comes to Motherboards. They mess up the HW, add useless shit and makes sure that even standard components wont work without their drivers
    "Oh, thats to avoid it showing up in Windows as a device" - fuckups! /G

  76. Already reviewed on Tom's Hardware. by zdzichu · · Score: 1

    Here's the link: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/14/sneak_previ ew_of_the_nvidia_quad_gpu_setup/.
    What's most scary? Each of the cards has its own powerbrick.

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  77. We are "this" close by ellem · · Score: 1

    This is just slightly off the Vista minimum hardware requirements! Keep trying guys - you're almost there!

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  78. semanticism police read this by drachenstern · · Score: 1

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    I realize that it should be written /^H for remove previous character from input line, however, I feel as though some of our younger audience (considering the high members numbers) may not understand that terminology, and I hoped they would understand the /B to be a Backspace command.

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  79. CPU Bound? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    I have an Athlon 3700+ and a 7800GT and I am completely CPU bound on most games (most notably CoD2 and FS2004). What makes them think this is even practical? Dual-core CPUs don't run a single process any faster, so unless gaming software starts being multi-processed (NOT multi-threaded), a dual-core doesn't help either.

    So, what's the point? If the data can't get to the cards fast enough for them to process it, it's a complete and utter waste of money.

    1. Re:CPU Bound? by Diocleciano+Palma · · Score: 0

      I guess this might be it: http://www.gpgpu.org/

    2. Re:CPU Bound? by hurfy · · Score: 1

      No mod points today :(

      Good point for those of you mentioning this tho.

      I found the same problem playing Roller Coaster Tycoon3 :(

      Upping the video card 2 steps gave almost as much of a boost as moving it from the intel to the amd box ;) Although both are a little underpowered for it. hehe replaced a geforce 4 with a 6600GT and got a frame or 2 per second increase :(

      Interesting was the fact that the AMD exactly matches the performance of the intel box now but it uses the geforce 4 (vs the 6600gt). Intel 2.4 vs AMD 2500+, I couldn't decide so i built matching boxes a couple years ago :)

      I would bet that many apps will choke before ya get to that second card

  80. Re:This would be funny (if it wasn't so sad) by Jekler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I completetly disagree with your sentiment. PC Gaming is an intellectual pursuit. The things we do in our spare time are just as important as those we do for work. It is in our fantasies that we develop our greatest ideas. Games, books, movies... they all serve to ignite the spark of creativity. They inspire us to create today things we could only dream of yesterday.

    Although there is no direct line between game -> societal advancement, the transition is obvious for anyone who is ever inspired to do great things.

    RPGs, FPSs, RTSs, they're not simply wastes of time, they're important mental exercises that allow us to expand our minds in fun ways.

  81. any bets... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    that this card will be the minimum spec for running Microsoft Flight Simulator X? which by the way has just been announced at CES 2006 as well...

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  82. There is no "overkill" by Chas · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is only "kill" with ever-increasing levels of assurance.

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  83. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah great post. Lets spend $8000 on a gaming machine, and then install Linux on it. Well worth it to play Tux Racer on!

    Idiot.

  84. have to ask by drachenstern · · Score: 1

    Pardon me

    ONE?

    somebody pass the pipe man

    four vid outs, and you want one?

    tell em you gotta be able to work effectively and order at least 3

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  85. Re:This would be funny (if it wasn't so sad) by 21st+Century+Peon · · Score: 1

    ...get a life!

    I did, when I found the Blue keycard and used it to open up the supply cache on Delta level.

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  86. How about Duke Nukem Forever? by brainnolo · · Score: 1

    Will Duke Nukem Forever run smooth with this thing?

    Sorry, someone had to say that.

  87. Wow by squoozer · · Score: 1

    The only down side of this is that it will require you to build a small power station in your back garden to cope with the load. The amount of power this beast we require will make baby Jesus cry!

    I wonder if you can throttle it back so that it is only using one GPU when it's only rendering normal 2D desktops?

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  88. Home heating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With cost of home heating going up, we definitely can use one of these babies as heat source. It might pay off faster than getting a new furnace!

    "But Mom, I'm not playing games all the time. I'm trying to heat the house here!"

  89. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by acordes · · Score: 1

    I know what you mean. I bought my wife a Dell laptop for Christmas. I fire it up, get virus check installed, etc. I finally connect it to the Internet and -boom-, everytime I click on something it takes literally over a minute to register on the screen. I finally had to wipe the hard drive clean and reinstall because I had no way of uninstalling Dell's crap. Now the clean system works beautifully. Forget 1 hour of configuration, I probably wasted 10 hours trying to get a clean, stable system running.

  90. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ummm, i have heard this before and have the same answer that many others have had for a long time...first thing you do with any pre-built system from any company is format. the only software i have kept from a company that was pre-installed was a calculator. this is certainly not the crowd i would expect to keep pre-installed software. i read that review and to me it sounds great cause i never would have even run into the pre-installed crap, i haven't booted up pre-installed software in ages and i have been installing Dell and Compaq pc's for companies for years. fresh install for me, factory install is for my tech illiterate mother.

  91. The need: by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 1

    For when you absolutely must have the largest penis at the LAN party.

  92. Actually ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's just a real time picture of their web server since the article was posted on slashdot.

  93. I have had my DeLorean now for 6 months... by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 1

    seriously. now if i can just get my hands on some plutonium i can fire this baby up and produce the 1.21 jigawatts necessary to go back and forth through time...

  94. 2 Gig? by Zerbs · · Score: 1

    OK, if I understand this properly, if each of the 2 cards has 2 GPUs with 512MB each isn't that 2Gig of graphics memory? That's enough for a small workgroup server!

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  95. Kal, son of Jor-El, kneel before Zod! by darkhadden · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new SLI overlords!

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  96. Finally... by MarkVVV · · Score: 1

    A machine to run vista decently!

  97. Quad SLI by JerryLs · · Score: 1

    Ok. The future of computing is: 128 video card cores on your home computer, all displaying on one humongous monitor, and running the original Halo for pc.

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  98. Where are the 2 head 3D cards? by jafuser · · Score: 1

    This is all great, but when is nVidia or ATI going to put out a three-head or four-head card? Some of us have more screens than we should be allowed. =)

    At work, it's no problem because I can just use multiple cards for the 2D stuff. But I'm not sure how well that will work with 3D applications which I want to span multiple screens. Stretching a game across an odd number of a horizontal row of monitors works a lot better than across an even number, since the center of an even number of monitors will be on a gap between them.

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  99. Re:Where are the GREATER THAN 2 head 3D cards? by jafuser · · Score: 1

    The subject ate the greater-than symbol I originally entered. Guess I'm getting used to the message boards which can handle such complicated substitutions. =P

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  100. windtunnel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NASA decided to adopt a couple of these systems for realtime hidef simulations of supersonic airflow. They quickly found that the systems could pull enough air to run the same simulations physically in their windtunnel. As a result they were overjoyed that they could cut energy costs with such a combination. Now work is being done to find other such uses.

  101. 1 or 4? What more can you do? by jwill7g9 · · Score: 1

    If you have $1 Billion what can you do with $4 Billion than you can't do with the $1B.

  102. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    Thing is, you have to do all that same stuff AFTER ripping out the things that Dell put on there.

    Of course, Dell isn't the only guilty one. Last commercial PC I bought was an HP (laptop, so I couldn't build my own), and it took forever to get everything cleaned off of it. To make matters worse the PCMCIA controller has never had Linux support so I can't run Linux and still use my wireless card :(.

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  103. Haha by GmAz · · Score: 1

    Do what you will Dell, there is no way I will ever buy one of your computers even if you offer a quad SLI system.

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  104. F.E.A.R. by wickedj · · Score: 1

    And it probably still can't run F.E.A.R. at full speed with all the options maxed out.

  105. of course they do by way2trivial · · Score: 1
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  106. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by mixmasta · · Score: 1

    My Sony was the worst, not only do they install all this crap too, but they took up 25% of the disk for a "recovery" partition.

    It lasted about 3 days before I nuked it. Sheesh.

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  107. Lawl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a piece of shit.

    jk.

  108. Re:Low Performance + Not compatible with major gam by 16777216 · · Score: 1

    Screw the games moron I use maya.
    Anyway ever heard of cadaga, all of the UTs, Doom/Quake (I II III MCXVL) and a whole crap-load of others?
    Ya fricken dingle.

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