Wait, firefox more bloated than IE--especially IE7? Sir, you jest.
Why is it exactly i have to wait while IE7 "connects" to about:blank when i open a new tab? Chrome, opera, firefox, et al seem to have no such issues. Why is it when i connect to slashdot in IE, the page is broken, the javascript doesnt work, and it takes forever to load? Oh thats right, because IE7 is a broken pile of garbage, and while IE8 is better, its certainly not "less bloated" than firefox (unless your definition of bloat is "features that dont significantly slow the application").
All of the "bloat" that users seem to be complaining about, from v1 to v3, seem to boil down to the following:
*a download manager (oh noes, opera / chrome certainly dont have THIS bloat!)
*a sql-lite driven history / download / bookmark / cache manager (screw that, lets go back to plain text file format! Thats certainly more logical)
*A smart location bar that keeps track of history (again, its not like all other browsers except IE have this, certainly not opera or chrome!)
*moveable tabs (the nerve! such bloat!)
*and horror of horrors, a resizeable search bar with the ability to add search engines
Seriously, I can understand that some people might be peeved that some of their preferences dont match the direction the browser has gone--such as the awesome bar--but I wouldnt call any of these (MAYBE the sql lite stuff) "bloat" since theyre pretty much standard across all browsers, and I dont think its a good idea for core stuff like moveable tabs to be hacked in as an extension--THAT would be bloat. Firefox today is a little slower in some ways than older versions, but it is more reliable (crashes? Check your damn extensions and stop blaming firefox), has better javascript performance, and is way more capable than old versions. I remember before 1.5 i had to have about 10 extensions installed to get the base performance I have now, with all the memory leaks and performance hit that entailed. People should NOT need to install tab mix plus to get basic browser features.
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If Opera had the plug-in capability of Firefox, I'd move back to it.
I really suspect that you dont use IE7 as often as youd have us think, or have a good idea of just how terrible it is--and i also suspect that all of your bloat and reliability issues are due to those plugins you cant live without. Newsflash--if Opera had extension capabilities, it could well be as "bloated and crash prone" as firefox.
Possibly it would be more correct to say "its the proper solution given the constraints hulu et al. have to work with". There is such a thing as licensing and regional restrictions.
To be fair, you can consider there to be forced upgrades in linux. In the same way that MS ends support and official updates to OS's after theyve been EOL'd, Redhat et al do the same with their own distros after a sufficient length of time. The difference is that you can get "unofficial" updates to the OS long after its vendor has died, but that may not matter to some--they may want official updates via the RHN/up2date tool, or official support. Good luck getting that on RedHat 8, for example.
I would argue that an idiot could set the system up for basic web use provided he is given the simple directive "stick the cd in, reboot, hit f12, and choose CD". Ubuntu installation is pretty idiot proof at this point provided you dont care if it formats your disk.
Thats a bit strong, wouldnt it be better directed at the circumstances that make it necessary for people to flee one country into another, and that make it illegal to do so?
It's not exactly as if someone is going to say "gee, life sure does suck in poverty, and we could actually have a decent life if we fled to the US, but hey--that would violate their immigration laws, so i guess we'll just starve!"
Not to defend the tobacco companies, but theres this gem in the article:
Some of this may have been the result of an increase in the total amount of tobacco put in that brand's cigarettes, one expert said.
Theres also this:
the nicotine content measured by smoking machines can vary by up to 6 percent between individual cigarettes of the same brand, "we don't know" whether an entire brand's production could differ that much from year to year.
Again, not trying to say they did or didnt, but seriously, a minimum margin of error of 6% and the reported differences barely higher than that doesnt make much of an article.
The solution is to make laws as airtight as possible so that you can actually have a chance of punishing people, rather than everyone being able to get out via loopholes.
Its sort of like arguing "democracy doesnt work"--thats all well and good, but what do you propose we replace it with?
Theres plenty of equally ridiculous cases if that one doesnt do it for you, wasnt some homeowner sued for mental trauma after a burglar managed to lock himself in the garage for some period of time?
except that each bit would have to have its own diode, or at least UV source, and at that point you could just remove the material and just use diodes for the memory. After all, each bit would have to be exposed (or not exposed) to uv in order to retain its state, so something else has to have a memory of that too.
harder to compute a file for a given MD5 (though doable)
If you can come up with an algorithm to do this, you will have the most efficient compression algorithm ever. MD5 is one way, and lossy--thats why its a hash.
Nothing in ubuntu really stops you from compiling your own kernel if that floats your boat, it just means that other people can be productive on it if they choose without having to learn to do all that stuff.
Wait, are you implying a blackberry doesnt have wifi? Because I think thats just incorrect (seeing as I have a blackberry right next to me on my WPA2-AES wifi).
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Why is it exactly i have to wait while IE7 "connects" to about:blank when i open a new tab? Chrome, opera, firefox, et al seem to have no such issues. Why is it when i connect to slashdot in IE, the page is broken, the javascript doesnt work, and it takes forever to load? Oh thats right, because IE7 is a broken pile of garbage, and while IE8 is better, its certainly not "less bloated" than firefox (unless your definition of bloat is "features that dont significantly slow the application").
All of the "bloat" that users seem to be complaining about, from v1 to v3, seem to boil down to the following:
*a download manager (oh noes, opera / chrome certainly dont have THIS bloat!)
*a sql-lite driven history / download / bookmark / cache manager (screw that, lets go back to plain text file format! Thats certainly more logical)
*A smart location bar that keeps track of history (again, its not like all other browsers except IE have this, certainly not opera or chrome!)
*moveable tabs (the nerve! such bloat!)
*and horror of horrors, a resizeable search bar with the ability to add search engines
Seriously, I can understand that some people might be peeved that some of their preferences dont match the direction the browser has gone--such as the awesome bar--but I wouldnt call any of these (MAYBE the sql lite stuff) "bloat" since theyre pretty much standard across all browsers, and I dont think its a good idea for core stuff like moveable tabs to be hacked in as an extension--THAT would be bloat. Firefox today is a little slower in some ways than older versions, but it is more reliable (crashes? Check your damn extensions and stop blaming firefox), has better javascript performance, and is way more capable than old versions. I remember before 1.5 i had to have about 10 extensions installed to get the base performance I have now, with all the memory leaks and performance hit that entailed. People should NOT need to install tab mix plus to get basic browser features.
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If Opera had the plug-in capability of Firefox, I'd move back to it.
I really suspect that you dont use IE7 as often as youd have us think, or have a good idea of just how terrible it is--and i also suspect that all of your bloat and reliability issues are due to those plugins you cant live without. Newsflash--if Opera had extension capabilities, it could well be as "bloated and crash prone" as firefox.
Possibly it would be more correct to say "its the proper solution given the constraints hulu et al. have to work with". There is such a thing as licensing and regional restrictions.
thats a wonderful plan, but it fails to account for the money it costs the other sides.
To be fair, you can consider there to be forced upgrades in linux. In the same way that MS ends support and official updates to OS's after theyve been EOL'd, Redhat et al do the same with their own distros after a sufficient length of time. The difference is that you can get "unofficial" updates to the OS long after its vendor has died, but that may not matter to some--they may want official updates via the RHN/up2date tool, or official support. Good luck getting that on RedHat 8, for example.
I would argue that an idiot could set the system up for basic web use provided he is given the simple directive "stick the cd in, reboot, hit f12, and choose CD". Ubuntu installation is pretty idiot proof at this point provided you dont care if it formats your disk.
Is that any different than 80% of users out there?
I would imagine Intel's market position plays a role in this--what may be ok for some companies is NOT ok for a dominant market player.
If any of these unlawful products are ever distributed....we will have no choice but to turn this matter over to our litigation counsel
Dunno, any bets?
I do hate people who are here illegally
Thats a bit strong, wouldnt it be better directed at the circumstances that make it necessary for people to flee one country into another, and that make it illegal to do so?
It's not exactly as if someone is going to say "gee, life sure does suck in poverty, and we could actually have a decent life if we fled to the US, but hey--that would violate their immigration laws, so i guess we'll just starve!"
Some of this may have been the result of an increase in the total amount of tobacco put in that brand's cigarettes, one expert said.
Theres also this:
the nicotine content measured by smoking machines can vary by up to 6 percent between individual cigarettes of the same brand, "we don't know" whether an entire brand's production could differ that much from year to year.
Again, not trying to say they did or didnt, but seriously, a minimum margin of error of 6% and the reported differences barely higher than that doesnt make much of an article.
The solution is to make laws as airtight as possible so that you can actually have a chance of punishing people, rather than everyone being able to get out via loopholes. Its sort of like arguing "democracy doesnt work"--thats all well and good, but what do you propose we replace it with?
Theres plenty of equally ridiculous cases if that one doesnt do it for you, wasnt some homeowner sued for mental trauma after a burglar managed to lock himself in the garage for some period of time?
True SMTP email? Intuitive UIs?
Because blackberries havent had those features for just about ever...?
SMS is clean: no risk of having to retrieve large attachements, hardly any spam due to sender costs
wouldnt the sender of spam have an unlimited texting account or use some email-to-text service?
reverse engineer an open source program? INCONCEIVABLE!
Im not sure thats the reason for the economic crisis, but thats an interesting theory.
hardly any chance some minimum wage boob with a script is going to help me.
It was a sad day when I had to correct the Microsoft Exchange support team's tech guy about 5 times in one call...
Because people sheltering Jews werent trying to make the nazis feel bad and change their ways, they were trying to prevent them from killing Jews.
Thats because the update disk contained windows 2000. Suprise!
except that each bit would have to have its own diode, or at least UV source, and at that point you could just remove the material and just use diodes for the memory. After all, each bit would have to be exposed (or not exposed) to uv in order to retain its state, so something else has to have a memory of that too.
Yea, youre right. Someone should have sent him pictures of THEM. That totally would have been the proper thing to do.
One would almost think youve never made mistakes in your life. Must be nice.
harder to compute a file for a given MD5 (though doable)
If you can come up with an algorithm to do this, you will have the most efficient compression algorithm ever. MD5 is one way, and lossy--thats why its a hash.
Nothing in ubuntu really stops you from compiling your own kernel if that floats your boat, it just means that other people can be productive on it if they choose without having to learn to do all that stuff.
Wait, are you implying a blackberry doesnt have wifi? Because I think thats just incorrect (seeing as I have a blackberry right next to me on my WPA2-AES wifi).