I do understand that principle. But, here's a couple of points:
By property values have gone up, what I'm getting at is that they continue to go up. I'd like to get something now before it goes up any more. (This is fredericksburg, VA area. We're 50 miles from Washington, DC, and it's becomming a DC suburb. Lots of people are moving out of crowded northern Virginia into our area)
Plus, she and I have thought about it, and while getting a house in a pump and dump isn't what we want, we want to have a house that we can live in for 10 years or so, it still would be nice to have a house that is in an area that will increase in the next 10 years.
Also: Real estate, as a general rule, does not go down in value. Sometimes it stays the same price, but most of the time it goes up in price.
And we certainly cannot afford the bill on a house that costs $300k. Which is part of the reason we're looking out in the country. There are some places out about 20 miles from fredericksburg where you can get 7 or 8 acres and a 1200 square foot house for $100k. That would be great for us. And most of these are in an area where the property value hasn't shot up like it has in fredericksburg. Like I said, we're still deciding if we want to play the real estate game and buy one that we think is going to go up, in hopes of making money to move into a better house, or if we want to just get a quality house.
This is my *one and only* problem with moving out into the country. My fiancee and I are casually looking at houses, expecting to possibly be buying next spring (house buying season). With interest rates what they are, and property values going up quickly where I live (my parents bought their house 1995 for $154k, now worth >$300k), we'd like to get a house of our own, but not on a zero-lot-line, no privacy, near all the people kind of land.
The only problem is: Move into the sticks, no always on internet. This would be a godsend for me - I don't want high speeds, I don't do online gaming, and I don't download a bunch of stuff, but I do want it to be on *all* the time. I want to be able to sit at my desk and see who's online on IM, and to check my mail or look at the news.
This would be *perfect*. Hope they can figure out the details in the next few years. In the mean time, I may be investigating satelite internet.
you can just make it up as you go, and it still sounds way cool
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Quid = what (or some form of question) - repeated for emphasis, so may be translated as "whatever" latine - latin word for latin, the language. dictum - said (past tense of to say). sit - is? I think so. Altum - profound, stately viditur - sounds, is heard as
"Whatever said in latin sounds profound"
~Will
(sorry for any translation mistakes, I do ancient greek, not latin, corrections welcome).
They're working. We get paged when they go down. On i think HDLC3 over this week you can see the jumps in inbound traffic... that's where we were syncing the debian archive.
We're running 2.4.18 on our linux router at Netmar, and we have 3 Cyclades PC300 cards installed, running 5 T-1 lines.
I was under the impression that driver was already in the kernel. I don't remember putting it in there otherwise.
Hrm.
~Wx
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They can probably put that machine together for about $200-250.
$200-$250, for which they charge $299. OK, i'm alright with that. Keep in mind, they're buying in bulk and they still have to put the thing together, or pay someone else to. In your own figures you're assuming your time is worth nothing.
Also, you can't go with $200-250 vs. actual income of $408, because then profit is (408-250-(cost of 1 year internet access)). Internet access is not free, not even to AOL. They pay for bandwidth, they pay hosting fees to MAE-east, and, more costly, they pay tech support staff (i've called aol at 4am and gotten someone who actually knew what to do, too - granted this was 4 years ago).
So, no offense, mate, but a comptuer that's got "$200-250" worth of parts + assembly for $300 isn't really all that bad. Especially if it's closer to $250.
the "Y2K upgrade card" they sold at best buy was a scam.
You troll, but I worked in the stereo (audio) department at best buy during the 2000 switchover. I seriously had some guy come in and ask me if we had the "Y2K flashlights", meaning the ones that could be powered by turning a crank to generate electricity, as if batteries were going to stop working at the switch.
I also had numerous people tell me taht they were leaving their garage door open in case their garage door opener didn't work in the morning.
I even had a hard time convincing my mother that the time on the microwave or the clock on her dashboard do not know what day it is. I tried telling her that it just counts seconds from an arbitrary point, and then replaces a number on a display, but she was really worried. Even she, whom I consider fairly intelligent, couldn't make the logic leap that "not everything that counts time knows what date it is".
Try buying tickets online! I go to the 9:30 club in DC a lot, but living in blacksburg, I can't exactly zip around the corner and buy a ticket at the office.
So, i buy from www.tickets.com, their authorized reseller. But, yeah. Last time I went to a 9:30 show, $20 x 2 = $53. Why? processing, convienience fee, and SHIPPING!?!? But, the tickets were will-call (pick 'em up at the window).
The difference is people don't have to eat your bread.
But, a proper analogy is that your bread, since it is free, crowded out everyone else in the market place, so that there were very few other products than your bread, and your bread was used for a primary food source for an entire people, and everyone had evolved stomachs which could only accept your bread and products so like your bread it didn't make a difference.
I was under the impression that it only applied to hardware manufacturers. So, in theory, if you buy a USB keychain that's preformatted, then you'll have already paid the M$ tax. I don't think that formatting your iPod with fat is going to make a difference.
As usual, and thankfully, microsoft is after corporations and the big boys, not the little guys.*
~Will
*what I mean by this is M$ has never (not in the past 7 or 8 years) been concerned with individual, small-scale cases of patent infringement, piracy, copyright violation, etc - they don't care if you and your geek friends copy windowsxp, they care if a corporation puts 1 copy on 6,000 computers - likewise for formatting one USB keychain
Whats so wrong with creating a valuable idea and expecting to profit from it.....?
Nothing.
But there is something wrong with creating an idea, waiting for it to become so standard that even our keychains come pre-formatted with this technology, and such that any number of 3rd parties provide support for this technology in order to conform with the "norm" (apple, linux, etc), and *THEN* expecting people to pay for it, once it's been entrenched in the economy as irreplaceable and free.
Especially when said technology was created in the '70's and patented in the '90's.
Yes, I do understand producing their "Red Hat Linux" product was expensive, and hurt their bottom line.
I disagree.
I fail to see why redhat thinks they need to charge anywhere from $350 to thousands of dollars, per year, per cpu, for a collection of software of which they contributed at most 5%. This is something slashdot readers will eventually have to come to terms with and accept as fact: RedHat is fucking you. Period. They are flat-out lying to you by saying that they need to charge thousands of dollars for software that other people offer for free. The only things redhat has contributed to the "redhat linux distribution" are a few utilities and some drivers, which have been distributed open source anyway.
It's like somoene giving me the frame, engine, seats, and all the parts to put together a 1979 Chevy Nova, for free. I then assemble the parts exactly to spec such that everything is working (but not really tuned up), and add a spoiler, a type-R sticker, and a few custom logos in the interrior of the car. THEN, strut around and tell everyone that the car is worth $250,000, because I spent the time putting it together, and, hey, look at that spoiler! What an awesome car! Oh, and hey, if you pay me $250,000 every year, I'll even make sure if any parts are defective that I'll send you new parts to install yourself!
Doesn't work. Only idiots with lots of money and people who are desperate for their 79 nova parts will buy. The others will just walk on by.
Yeah, that was my point - if I get frustrated at finding nemo's 11 minutes of commercials and 5 minutes of non-skipability, while my 3 year old is running around wanting nemo!, and I copy the dvd, and just put the video file on the disc, I have to take off the css. But, have I violated copyright law?
As someone who works at an ISP (webhost (netmar.com)) and who has been threatened with DMCA violations, here's the proceedure:
Upon notification, we must verify that: 1.) we received written notification 2.) the party claims, under penalty of perjury, that they are or represent the accusing party 3.) They specify contact info 4.) They detail what and where something is infringing 5.) They must make a claim, under penalty of perjury, that the claims of infringement, to the best of their knowledge, are accurate.
Then, we are not liable for damages, so long as: 1.) we didn't notice or had no reason to believe that the material being served was copyrighted 2.) Move quickly to remove it 3.) Do not stand to benifit from the infringement
Additionally, we are only indemnified assuming we: 1.) Have an agent contact at the copyright office 2.) Make the contact info for said agent available on our public website
So, there is a legal process for this, but, in order for us to not invite legal action, we have legal obligations, just as the accusers do. If the accusers make no statement, under penalty of perjury, that they directly represent the copyright holder and that the material on our system is theirs, then we are not obligated to remove it. If they don't make the direct statement about their notice being accurate, then they have not upheld their end of the legal process.
Note to other webhosts/ISP's: You have to apply for this. You have to have your agent at the copyright office. As long as you are registered for DMCA protection, and you follow the legal process you're ok, but if you have no registered agent contact at the copyright office, then none of this applies, and no one has to make any legal statments in order to compell you to take somethign down by law.
Yeah, whether people want to acknowledge it or not, the larger issue for the Norwegian people is:
If you purchase something, and you own it, can the company who created it, but who no longer owns it, put restrictions on the manner in which it can be used?
For my most chafing U.S. example, it is illegal to copy and distribute a movie. But, legally, do you *have* to watch the FBI warning at the beginning of the movie? If you ask me, there should be no point in a DVD at which you cannot skip ahead, fast forward, or hit menu to get out of the current section of the disc.
The theory is simple: Space is infinite, the earth is finite. Given infinite space, there are infinite hydrocarbons to be had. Given finite earth, there are a finite amount of hydrocarbons to be had.
The is a very common word, and was not included in your search, my ass. If that's true, why does a search for does math and a search for does the math (no quotation marks on either) come back with different results?
This is just an example I ran across, no telling how many more there are.
Am I the only person who views ads as a valuable barometer of pop culture?
Seriously - I go months at a time without watching TV, but when I do, I'm usually interested in watching ads - to see what's been going on in the world around me.
Also, ads will always have a place in live TV, as someone pointed out above, i.e. sports, news, etc. I think they'll also have a place whenever multiple people are watching TV together, sports or not.
And yeah, we do filter outbound mail specifically because we have had spammers that get a shared hosting account, and proceed to spam thousands of people. This should stop clients spamming pro-actively.
The problem is that I'm not sure how to make spam assassin not filter every message that gets sent out via majordomo. Mostly because I think I'm afraid of majordomo, and that i think that it's held together with spit and rubber bands. I just don't touch it, because i think if i breathe on it, it may break
What makes TOLR so much better than Star Wars is that the TOLR has a timeless story to tell; its story actually has a meaning that people can relate to.
A problem we had here at Netmar was that spam assassin, in conjunction with mime-defang, really slams the system. We have several clients who run listserv-type email lists (for various reasons, all verified non-spam, most for like non-profit orgs), and when you send a 500k listserv digest email to 2,000 people, in the default spam assassin config, it would spawn a perl process for each attempted email. So, for about 3 minutes, our mail server would be swamped (load creeping up over 10ish), even though it's a 1.2 ghz duron.
So, we solved it by figuring out how to run spam assassin / defang as daemons. Works great now, and when someone tries to send 2,000 messages, it just queues them and delivers them as it can. Takes less time to get through them one at a time than it did to spawn max_file_descripters perl processes.
You're absolutely correct, but so am I. From the encyclopedia of arda:
"After the loss of the kingdom of Arthedain, the descendants of Isildur's line survived in the wilds of Middle-earth, and became skilled in hunting and woodcraft; their warriors were known as the Rangers among the peoples of the north. "
Arthedain is the northern kingdom (north at least to rohon and gondor). But, the descendants of Isildur would have had to be from the gondor / osgiliath / minis ithil area. Dunedain is a term synonymous with the rangers, and it means "men of numenor", which would be the earlier race of men. And yeah, these are the guys who set up the kingdom that fought against the witch-king.
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I do understand that principle. But, here's a couple of points:
By property values have gone up, what I'm getting at is that they continue to go up. I'd like to get something now before it goes up any more. (This is fredericksburg, VA area. We're 50 miles from Washington, DC, and it's becomming a DC suburb. Lots of people are moving out of crowded northern Virginia into our area)
Plus, she and I have thought about it, and while getting a house in a pump and dump isn't what we want, we want to have a house that we can live in for 10 years or so, it still would be nice to have a house that is in an area that will increase in the next 10 years.
Also: Real estate, as a general rule, does not go down in value. Sometimes it stays the same price, but most of the time it goes up in price.
And we certainly cannot afford the bill on a house that costs $300k. Which is part of the reason we're looking out in the country. There are some places out about 20 miles from fredericksburg where you can get 7 or 8 acres and a 1200 square foot house for $100k. That would be great for us. And most of these are in an area where the property value hasn't shot up like it has in fredericksburg. Like I said, we're still deciding if we want to play the real estate game and buy one that we think is going to go up, in hopes of making money to move into a better house, or if we want to just get a quality house.
~Will
This is my *one and only* problem with moving out into the country. My fiancee and I are casually looking at houses, expecting to possibly be buying next spring (house buying season). With interest rates what they are, and property values going up quickly where I live (my parents bought their house 1995 for $154k, now worth >$300k), we'd like to get a house of our own, but not on a zero-lot-line, no privacy, near all the people kind of land.
The only problem is: Move into the sticks, no always on internet. This would be a godsend for me - I don't want high speeds, I don't do online gaming, and I don't download a bunch of stuff, but I do want it to be on *all* the time. I want to be able to sit at my desk and see who's online on IM, and to check my mail or look at the news.
This would be *perfect*. Hope they can figure out the details in the next few years. In the mean time, I may be investigating satelite internet.
~Will
you can just make it up as you go, and it still sounds way cool
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Quid = what (or some form of question) - repeated for emphasis, so may be translated as "whatever"
latine - latin word for latin, the language.
dictum - said (past tense of to say).
sit - is? I think so.
Altum - profound, stately
viditur - sounds, is heard as
"Whatever said in latin sounds profound"
~Will
(sorry for any translation mistakes, I do ancient greek, not latin, corrections welcome).
http://router1.netmar.com/stats
They're working. We get paged when they go down. On i think HDLC3 over this week you can see the jumps in inbound traffic... that's where we were syncing the debian archive.
~Wx
We're running 2.4.18 on our linux router at Netmar, and we have 3 Cyclades PC300 cards installed, running 5 T-1 lines.
I was under the impression that driver was already in the kernel. I don't remember putting it in there otherwise.
Hrm.
~Wx
They can probably put that machine together for about $200-250.
$200-$250, for which they charge $299. OK, i'm alright with that. Keep in mind, they're buying in bulk and they still have to put the thing together, or pay someone else to. In your own figures you're assuming your time is worth nothing.
Also, you can't go with $200-250 vs. actual income of $408, because then profit is (408-250-(cost of 1 year internet access)). Internet access is not free, not even to AOL. They pay for bandwidth, they pay hosting fees to MAE-east, and, more costly, they pay tech support staff (i've called aol at 4am and gotten someone who actually knew what to do, too - granted this was 4 years ago).
So, no offense, mate, but a comptuer that's got "$200-250" worth of parts + assembly for $300 isn't really all that bad. Especially if it's closer to $250.
~Will
the "Y2K upgrade card" they sold at best buy was a scam.
You troll, but I worked in the stereo (audio) department at best buy during the 2000 switchover. I seriously had some guy come in and ask me if we had the "Y2K flashlights", meaning the ones that could be powered by turning a crank to generate electricity, as if batteries were going to stop working at the switch.
I also had numerous people tell me taht they were leaving their garage door open in case their garage door opener didn't work in the morning.
I even had a hard time convincing my mother that the time on the microwave or the clock on her dashboard do not know what day it is. I tried telling her that it just counts seconds from an arbitrary point, and then replaces a number on a display, but she was really worried. Even she, whom I consider fairly intelligent, couldn't make the logic leap that "not everything that counts time knows what date it is".
~Will
HAHAHAHA!
You think that's bad?!?
Try buying tickets online! I go to the 9:30 club in DC a lot, but living in blacksburg, I can't exactly zip around the corner and buy a ticket at the office.
So, i buy from www.tickets.com, their authorized reseller. But, yeah. Last time I went to a 9:30 show, $20 x 2 = $53. Why? processing, convienience fee, and SHIPPING!?!? But, the tickets were will-call (pick 'em up at the window).
~Will
The difference is people don't have to eat your bread.
But, a proper analogy is that your bread, since it is free, crowded out everyone else in the market place, so that there were very few other products than your bread, and your bread was used for a primary food source for an entire people, and everyone had evolved stomachs which could only accept your bread and products so like your bread it didn't make a difference.
Then you charge for it.
I was under the impression that it only applied to hardware manufacturers. So, in theory, if you buy a USB keychain that's preformatted, then you'll have already paid the M$ tax. I don't think that formatting your iPod with fat is going to make a difference.
As usual, and thankfully, microsoft is after corporations and the big boys, not the little guys.*
~Will
*what I mean by this is M$ has never (not in the past 7 or 8 years) been concerned with individual, small-scale cases of patent infringement, piracy, copyright violation, etc - they don't care if you and your geek friends copy windowsxp, they care if a corporation puts 1 copy on 6,000 computers - likewise for formatting one USB keychain
Whats so wrong with creating a valuable idea and expecting to profit from it.....?
Nothing.
But there is something wrong with creating an idea, waiting for it to become so standard that even our keychains come pre-formatted with this technology, and such that any number of 3rd parties provide support for this technology in order to conform with the "norm" (apple, linux, etc), and *THEN* expecting people to pay for it, once it's been entrenched in the economy as irreplaceable and free.
Especially when said technology was created in the '70's and patented in the '90's.
~Will
Yes, I do understand producing their "Red Hat Linux" product was expensive, and hurt their bottom line.
I disagree.
I fail to see why redhat thinks they need to charge anywhere from $350 to thousands of dollars, per year, per cpu, for a collection of software of which they contributed at most 5%. This is something slashdot readers will eventually have to come to terms with and accept as fact: RedHat is fucking you. Period. They are flat-out lying to you by saying that they need to charge thousands of dollars for software that other people offer for free. The only things redhat has contributed to the "redhat linux distribution" are a few utilities and some drivers, which have been distributed open source anyway.
It's like somoene giving me the frame, engine, seats, and all the parts to put together a 1979 Chevy Nova, for free. I then assemble the parts exactly to spec such that everything is working (but not really tuned up), and add a spoiler, a type-R sticker, and a few custom logos in the interrior of the car. THEN, strut around and tell everyone that the car is worth $250,000, because I spent the time putting it together, and, hey, look at that spoiler! What an awesome car! Oh, and hey, if you pay me $250,000 every year, I'll even make sure if any parts are defective that I'll send you new parts to install yourself!
Doesn't work. Only idiots with lots of money and people who are desperate for their 79 nova parts will buy. The others will just walk on by.
~Will
the guys at redhat deserve a few bucks for their great work, don't they?
A few is $10, or $50, or $50 per year.
A few is not $349 PER COMPUTER, PER YEAR.
They've gone greedy, and as a result, those charlatans will never get another dollar of mine.
Yeah, that was my point - if I get frustrated at finding nemo's 11 minutes of commercials and 5 minutes of non-skipability, while my 3 year old is running around wanting nemo!, and I copy the dvd, and just put the video file on the disc, I have to take off the css. But, have I violated copyright law?
As someone who works at an ISP (webhost (netmar.com)) and who has been threatened with DMCA violations, here's the proceedure:
Upon notification, we must verify that:
1.) we received written notification
2.) the party claims, under penalty of perjury, that they are or represent the accusing party
3.) They specify contact info
4.) They detail what and where something is infringing
5.) They must make a claim, under penalty of perjury, that the claims of infringement, to the best of their knowledge, are accurate.
Then, we are not liable for damages, so long as:
1.) we didn't notice or had no reason to believe that the material being served was copyrighted
2.) Move quickly to remove it
3.) Do not stand to benifit from the infringement
Additionally, we are only indemnified assuming we:
1.) Have an agent contact at the copyright office
2.) Make the contact info for said agent available on our public website
So, there is a legal process for this, but, in order for us to not invite legal action, we have legal obligations, just as the accusers do. If the accusers make no statement, under penalty of perjury, that they directly represent the copyright holder and that the material on our system is theirs, then we are not obligated to remove it.
If they don't make the direct statement about their notice being accurate, then they have not upheld their end of the legal process.
Note to other webhosts/ISP's: You have to apply for this. You have to have your agent at the copyright office. As long as you are registered for DMCA protection, and you follow the legal process you're ok, but if you have no registered agent contact at the copyright office, then none of this applies, and no one has to make any legal statments in order to compell you to take somethign down by law.
~Wx
Yeah, whether people want to acknowledge it or not, the larger issue for the Norwegian people is:
If you purchase something, and you own it, can the company who created it, but who no longer owns it, put restrictions on the manner in which it can be used?
For my most chafing U.S. example, it is illegal to copy and distribute a movie. But, legally, do you *have* to watch the FBI warning at the beginning of the movie?
If you ask me, there should be no point in a DVD at which you cannot skip ahead, fast forward, or hit menu to get out of the current section of the disc.
~Wx
yeah, but shouldn't does math and does [ignored word] math come back with the same results?
I.e. if the word is ignored, shouldn't does [ignored word] math = does math
The theory is simple: Space is infinite, the earth is finite. Given infinite space, there are infinite hydrocarbons to be had. Given finite earth, there are a finite amount of hydrocarbons to be had.
I also like how google says words like "the" are not included in it's search.
F -8&q=does+math e =UTF-8&safe=off&q=does+the+math
Compare results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT
versus
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&o
The is a very common word, and was not included in your search, my ass. If that's true, why does a search for does math and a search for does the math (no quotation marks on either) come back with different results?
This is just an example I ran across, no telling how many more there are.
~Will
Am I the only person who views ads as a valuable barometer of pop culture?
Seriously - I go months at a time without watching TV, but when I do, I'm usually interested in watching ads - to see what's been going on in the world around me.
Also, ads will always have a place in live TV, as someone pointed out above, i.e. sports, news, etc. I think they'll also have a place whenever multiple people are watching TV together, sports or not.
~Will
Oh, yeah, i certainly know that.
And yeah, we do filter outbound mail specifically because we have had spammers that get a shared hosting account, and proceed to spam thousands of people. This should stop clients spamming pro-actively.
The problem is that I'm not sure how to make spam assassin not filter every message that gets sent out via majordomo. Mostly because I think I'm afraid of majordomo, and that i think that it's held together with spit and rubber bands. I just don't touch it, because i think if i breathe on it, it may break
~Wx
What makes TOLR so much better than Star Wars is that the TOLR has a timeless story to tell; its story actually has a meaning that people can relate to.
TOLR? The of lord rings?
A problem we had here at Netmar was that spam assassin, in conjunction with mime-defang, really slams the system. We have several clients who run listserv-type email lists (for various reasons, all verified non-spam, most for like non-profit orgs), and when you send a 500k listserv digest email to 2,000 people, in the default spam assassin config, it would spawn a perl process for each attempted email. So, for about 3 minutes, our mail server would be swamped (load creeping up over 10ish), even though it's a 1.2 ghz duron.
So, we solved it by figuring out how to run spam assassin / defang as daemons. Works great now, and when someone tries to send 2,000 messages, it just queues them and delivers them as it can. Takes less time to get through them one at a time than it did to spawn max_file_descripters perl processes.
~Wx
You're absolutely correct, but so am I. From the encyclopedia of arda:
"After the loss of the kingdom of Arthedain, the descendants of Isildur's line survived in the wilds of Middle-earth, and became skilled in hunting and woodcraft; their warriors were known as the Rangers among the peoples of the north. "
Arthedain is the northern kingdom (north at least to rohon and gondor). But, the descendants of Isildur would have had to be from the gondor / osgiliath / minis ithil area. Dunedain is a term synonymous with the rangers, and it means "men of numenor", which would be the earlier race of men. And yeah, these are the guys who set up the kingdom that fought against the witch-king.
~Wx
You can also reference the entry in the encyclopedia of arda, found here:w w.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm?http://w