... Jussie Smollet would have gotten away with it. Remember kids : It was those nasty vile alt-right conspiracy theorists who first cast doubt on his way too perfect narrative!
Challenging established orthodoxy is how you progress, contrary to the pro-Censorship crowd. Ideas become widespread because they are challenged and survive those challenges, coming out on top. If your idea is really good, and your way is really best, you don't need to silence your opponents, you can handily defeat them.
What you have is Stage 1 TDS. Seriously. The idea of a Space force existed before Trump. This is not something he pushed. Same as the Border wall which also existed prior to him which DHS are the ones pushing for.
This is what Trump is trying to seperate into its own branch, based on advice from DoD officials. This is not "Trump creating the Space Force", this is EXPERTS asking him to do so based on logistics issues created by having the Air Force trying to manage Space Command.
Are you a prude in real life or do you just pretend to gaslight people on Slashdot ?
Guys want to stare at boobs. Guys search female friend pictures to scope out their boobs. Doesn't have anything romantic, doesn't have anything to do with long term commitment.
It's no different than going to Pornhub. Or do you also stick to only a single porn star for "monogomous" reasons ?
Whoever learns from Twitter mistakes could possibly be something like a public forum though.
Except whenever someone tries, and aren't somewhat left of Mao and Marx, they are promptly reported to their hosting provider and payment processor and ultimately, to the domain registrar so they can get scrubbed from the Internet.
Ask SubscribeStar and Gab.ai how well trying to NOT inject politics worked out for them.
If itâ(TM)s not illegal, itâ(TM)s not their business. Payment processing is not an endorsement. Payment processors getting into the business of partisan politics and ideological enforcement is actually downright scary and Orwellian.
So, saying that you don't want the "ORANGE MAN" to have access to powerful AIs is not unreasonable if you don't like "ORANGE MAN", or mistrust what they would do with it.
Look at pretty much the entirety of the comments under this post. None of it discusses "ORANGE MAN! shouldn't have access to AI because of X/Y moral dilema", all of it makes fun of him with little substance beyond "ORANGE MAN BAD!". That is full blown TDS.
Honestly, to say you don't want "ORANGE MAN!" to have access to AI is saying you don't want government in general to use AI. Like it or not : President Trump is the POTUS. Any power he has, all Presidents have. To deny him something means denying it for all future Presidents unless you're a massive hypocrite.
Great, let's jump on the buzzword bandwagon. I though that DT was above all that: he made his own buzzwords, instead of repeating somebody else's.
- "Hey guys, I think we need to invest in AI research. From machine learning to powerful neural networks that can replicate portions of the human conscience!" says Slashdot and industry pundits alike.
- "Good, we'll make HEWWWGE AI, Powerful AI. Thinking machines. You know they have those now ? Machines that think! It's crazy. We'll build more, they'll be better, the GREATEST artificial brains!" says President Honorary Doctor Donald J. Trump.
- "NO ! AI is awful! ORANGE MAN BAD!" replies Slashdot and industry pundits suddenly, suffering a bout of rapid onset TDS.
It's not like they don't already track you. Even if you don't have a Facebook account, you have a Facebook account. It just doesn't get activated until you actually "sign up". But it's there, collecting data about you and your habits still.
These "Shadow profiles" already know who you're friends with, when you went out and where you went to eat, who you're dating, probably even your job, your education.
It's all gathered from your friend's contact lists, posts, pictures.
After waiting for more than a decade for Enlightenment 17 while stuck on an aging Enlightenment DR16, yes, it felt like Rasterman had abandonned it while hyping up and over-promising a bunch of features. Features that most people were hungry for.
You guys generalize quite a bit. Slow release cycles are not inherently better or provide more stability than faster cycles. Sometimes slow release cycles are just that : overly slow because stuff isn't getting done.
Another good example : Duke Nukem Forever, delayed endlessly because George Broussard got a World of Warcraft addiction.
And 1900's carriage makers would have been very adept at telling you how to improve horse drawn carriages. But if you wanted to tap into an undeserved market you might want to talk to people who know about automobiles. How hard would you really have to work to find a panel of women that know what they want in an FPS?
Have you ever asked women what they want in FPS ? You'll find that those who play them just want the same things guys playing them like and those who don't usually simply detest the entire genre for no particular reasons.
My GF for instance simply can't stand playing anything 3D. Her spatial awareness is zilch and trying to translate this defiency at navigating 3D spaces unto a 2D monitor projection leaves her confused beyond belief. She simply will not play 3D games, no matter how much I try to get her into it. So what do I do if I were to design a game ? Not make it 3D ever ? That's obviously not gonna fly, I'm just going to have to accept that she won't be playing it.
Are you that unable to accept that some game genres simply don't appeal to women as much as they do men, same as some other game genres don't appeal to men as much as they do women ?
And that, in a nutshell, is why you want to have both men and women work at your game company.
Which would be rather moot if you're just making Racing games with 85%+ male audiences.
There's no single rule. Not to mention not all roles require intimate knowledge of gender preferences. Some technical roles are best filed by simply having the best people for instance.
You have it exactly. If you never hire women, you don't even know that gang rape seems aren't funny to women.
If you make a game that is funny to women, but not funny to men, is that ok ? No ?
At some point, you guys just have to accept the obvious : Guys and gals just don't enjoy the same kind of stuff. Sure there's overlap sometimes, but some games are simply a better fit to either gender's characteristics.
It's ok that not every game ends up catering to everyone poorly, but caters to specific niches well, at the cost of maybe being "offensive" to other people. The option is simple :
I believe the argument isn't that "men aren't smart enough to ask." it's that there are potentially perspectives that men wouldn't have even known to ask. It's the "you don't know what you don't know" conundrum. If I'm developing a new warehouse process it would be silly of me to not understand the perspective of every aspect of the process.
"Hey girls, what do you want in a First Person shooter ?"
"We don't want a First Person shooter".
"Ok cool, we're making a First Person shooter though, later".
What exactly are you people even saying ? This isn't some obscure customer requirement on a complex business process, this is game developpement. The player bases these days are quite adept at telling you what they want.
If you have only men in the company, you'll never know if your game is driving away women.
Are you saying men don't look at the demographic information their analytics are harvesting ?
Because I don't get how men wouldn't know, unless men don't ask ? Is that what you're saying ? Men aren't smart enough to ask their players about some of their information to get some idea of their demographic ?
(Actually, the evidence is pretty clear that games are driving away women.
Which game ? Overwatch ? DOOM Eternal ? My GF plays a metric ton of games. I would never play them, as they are mobile clickers with cutesy graphics, just like she watches me play DOOM and just says "I don't get how you play those 3D things, I get dizzy just looking at your screen".
Heck, she stole my NES classic to play Startropics instead.
Should we simply stop making 3D Games entirely so my GF diversifies her gaming library ?
OK, so what you're saying is that you didn't read the article, which gave many examples of women being harassed.
Got it.
Riot Games is a general cesspool. That Male Ally Feminists are actually rapist creeps in backrooms is not surprising to me or anyone paying attention. Trying to depict it as "Bro culture" is daft. Trying to generalize them to the whole of gaming culture is dishonest.
Those allegations also have nothing to do with making games that women and minorities enjoy. There's plenty of those on about every gaming platform out there.
No amount of women hires is going to make DOOM Eternal palatable to a majority of women. You could turn Doom guy into a disabled samoan transman non-binary pansexual with a vagina, and it wouldn't start to draw anything but the current "high adrenaline twitch shooting" crowd it does now.
Wow. They had a bit of time set aside for women and non-binary people, and the snowflakes went ape-shit.
I think the snowflakes in this case would be the people too sensitive to take part in an inclusive event that includes everyone. Everyone being MEN and WOMEN.
The whole event was targetted to snowflakes who can't stand having to share their time with other people. It was actual sexism.
It's not surprising though that you're using snowflake wrong in this case. You'll never admit to being on the wrong side of the actual sexism happening. Let's be clear : Excluding MALES is never inclusive. Including males is never sexist.
And that fact is what some people are trying to change. There's no particular reason to actively work at driving away one gender from your game.
Sounds sexist, but that's all in your head.
What if, get this, no one is actively working to drive away any gender from particular games.
What if what is actually happening is that people make games, and based on certain characteristics of gender, some people of a given gender prefer one type of game, and people of another gender prefer different games ?
Like you can try to make Need for Speed appealing to women all you want (I wouldn't even know where to begin and what to change), but what you're most likely going to end up with is a game no one wants to play. So you make the best darn racing game you can, and if men prefer it and your demographic ends up being 85% men, well you say "damn we made a good racing game" and that is that.
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... Jussie Smollet would have gotten away with it. Remember kids : It was those nasty vile alt-right conspiracy theorists who first cast doubt on his way too perfect narrative!
Challenging established orthodoxy is how you progress, contrary to the pro-Censorship crowd. Ideas become widespread because they are challenged and survive those challenges, coming out on top. If your idea is really good, and your way is really best, you don't need to silence your opponents, you can handily defeat them.
Vice are now some of the biggest SJWs out there, stop gaslighting all the time.
What you have is Stage 1 TDS. Seriously. The idea of a Space force existed before Trump. This is not something he pushed. Same as the Border wall which also existed prior to him which DHS are the ones pushing for.
The Imperial Church MAGArd has a ring to it. Who better to sit atop the Throne-Temple Arcology Complex than the God Emperor himself.
Now there's a Globalization project people could rally behind. Globalization, American Imperialism style.
The Air Force could handle the vast majority of space-related operations.
They currently do. It's called the Air Force Space Command :
https://www.afspc.af.mil/
This is what Trump is trying to seperate into its own branch, based on advice from DoD officials. This is not "Trump creating the Space Force", this is EXPERTS asking him to do so based on logistics issues created by having the Air Force trying to manage Space Command.
Are you a prude in real life or do you just pretend to gaslight people on Slashdot ?
Guys want to stare at boobs. Guys search female friend pictures to scope out their boobs. Doesn't have anything romantic, doesn't have anything to do with long term commitment.
It's no different than going to Pornhub. Or do you also stick to only a single porn star for "monogomous" reasons ?
Whoever learns from Twitter mistakes could possibly be something like a public forum though.
Except whenever someone tries, and aren't somewhat left of Mao and Marx, they are promptly reported to their hosting provider and payment processor and ultimately, to the domain registrar so they can get scrubbed from the Internet.
Ask SubscribeStar and Gab.ai how well trying to NOT inject politics worked out for them.
Why the Newspeak ?
What does romantic have to do with it ? And why limit to a single friend of the female gender ?
If itâ(TM)s not illegal, itâ(TM)s not their business. Payment processing is not an endorsement. Payment processors getting into the business of partisan politics and ideological enforcement is actually downright scary and Orwellian.
"crypto bro bent on accumulating flashy trophies" ? Misandry much?
Crypto Bro bent on accumulating flashy trophies = *Thumbs up* A-OK
Crypto Slut bent on satisfying her gold digging instincts = MISOGYNIST! SEXIST PIG! BIGOT!
Welcome to 2019 identity politics where it's ok to discriminate as long as you do it against Straight White Males.
So, saying that you don't want the "ORANGE MAN" to have access to powerful AIs is not unreasonable if you don't like "ORANGE MAN", or mistrust what they would do with it.
Look at pretty much the entirety of the comments under this post. None of it discusses "ORANGE MAN! shouldn't have access to AI because of X/Y moral dilema", all of it makes fun of him with little substance beyond "ORANGE MAN BAD!". That is full blown TDS.
Honestly, to say you don't want "ORANGE MAN!" to have access to AI is saying you don't want government in general to use AI. Like it or not : President Trump is the POTUS. Any power he has, all Presidents have. To deny him something means denying it for all future Presidents unless you're a massive hypocrite.
Great, let's jump on the buzzword bandwagon.
I though that DT was above all that: he made his own buzzwords, instead of repeating somebody else's.
- "Hey guys, I think we need to invest in AI research. From machine learning to powerful neural networks that can replicate portions of the human conscience!" says Slashdot and industry pundits alike.
- "Good, we'll make HEWWWGE AI, Powerful AI. Thinking machines. You know they have those now ? Machines that think! It's crazy. We'll build more, they'll be better, the GREATEST artificial brains!" says President Honorary Doctor Donald J. Trump.
- "NO ! AI is awful! ORANGE MAN BAD!" replies Slashdot and industry pundits suddenly, suffering a bout of rapid onset TDS.
Using TDS to form policy decisions could lead to much regret in the future.
Also, if NATO allies don't like being berated by one of the biggest contributors to NATO, maybe they should meet their contribution targets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
No matter how dense you are, this is /thread.
It's not like they don't already track you. Even if you don't have a Facebook account, you have a Facebook account. It just doesn't get activated until you actually "sign up". But it's there, collecting data about you and your habits still.
These "Shadow profiles" already know who you're friends with, when you went out and where you went to eat, who you're dating, probably even your job, your education.
It's all gathered from your friend's contact lists, posts, pictures.
After waiting for more than a decade for Enlightenment 17 while stuck on an aging Enlightenment DR16, yes, it felt like Rasterman had abandonned it while hyping up and over-promising a bunch of features. Features that most people were hungry for.
You guys generalize quite a bit. Slow release cycles are not inherently better or provide more stability than faster cycles. Sometimes slow release cycles are just that : overly slow because stuff isn't getting done.
Another good example : Duke Nukem Forever, delayed endlessly because George Broussard got a World of Warcraft addiction.
And 1900's carriage makers would have been very adept at telling you how to improve horse drawn carriages. But if you wanted to tap into an undeserved market you might want to talk to people who know about automobiles. How hard would you really have to work to find a panel of women that know what they want in an FPS?
Have you ever asked women what they want in FPS ? You'll find that those who play them just want the same things guys playing them like and those who don't usually simply detest the entire genre for no particular reasons.
My GF for instance simply can't stand playing anything 3D. Her spatial awareness is zilch and trying to translate this defiency at navigating 3D spaces unto a 2D monitor projection leaves her confused beyond belief. She simply will not play 3D games, no matter how much I try to get her into it. So what do I do if I were to design a game ? Not make it 3D ever ? That's obviously not gonna fly, I'm just going to have to accept that she won't be playing it.
Are you that unable to accept that some game genres simply don't appeal to women as much as they do men, same as some other game genres don't appeal to men as much as they do women ?
And that, in a nutshell, is why you want to have both men and women work at your game company.
Which would be rather moot if you're just making Racing games with 85%+ male audiences.
There's no single rule. Not to mention not all roles require intimate knowledge of gender preferences. Some technical roles are best filed by simply having the best people for instance.
You have it exactly. If you never hire women, you don't even know that gang rape seems aren't funny to women.
If you make a game that is funny to women, but not funny to men, is that ok ? No ?
At some point, you guys just have to accept the obvious : Guys and gals just don't enjoy the same kind of stuff. Sure there's overlap sometimes, but some games are simply a better fit to either gender's characteristics.
It's ok that not every game ends up catering to everyone poorly, but caters to specific niches well, at the cost of maybe being "offensive" to other people. The option is simple :
Don't like it, don't buy it.
I believe the argument isn't that "men aren't smart enough to ask." it's that there are potentially perspectives that men wouldn't have even known to ask. It's the "you don't know what you don't know" conundrum. If I'm developing a new warehouse process it would be silly of me to not understand the perspective of every aspect of the process.
"Hey girls, what do you want in a First Person shooter ?"
"We don't want a First Person shooter".
"Ok cool, we're making a First Person shooter though, later".
What exactly are you people even saying ? This isn't some obscure customer requirement on a complex business process, this is game developpement. The player bases these days are quite adept at telling you what they want.
If you have only men in the company, you'll never know if your game is driving away women.
Are you saying men don't look at the demographic information their analytics are harvesting ?
Because I don't get how men wouldn't know, unless men don't ask ? Is that what you're saying ? Men aren't smart enough to ask their players about some of their information to get some idea of their demographic ?
(Actually, the evidence is pretty clear that games are driving away women.
Which game ? Overwatch ? DOOM Eternal ? My GF plays a metric ton of games. I would never play them, as they are mobile clickers with cutesy graphics, just like she watches me play DOOM and just says "I don't get how you play those 3D things, I get dizzy just looking at your screen".
Heck, she stole my NES classic to play Startropics instead.
Should we simply stop making 3D Games entirely so my GF diversifies her gaming library ?
OK, so what you're saying is that you didn't read the article, which gave many examples of women being harassed.
Got it.
Riot Games is a general cesspool. That Male Ally Feminists are actually rapist creeps in backrooms is not surprising to me or anyone paying attention. Trying to depict it as "Bro culture" is daft. Trying to generalize them to the whole of gaming culture is dishonest.
Those allegations also have nothing to do with making games that women and minorities enjoy. There's plenty of those on about every gaming platform out there.
No amount of women hires is going to make DOOM Eternal palatable to a majority of women. You could turn Doom guy into a disabled samoan transman non-binary pansexual with a vagina, and it wouldn't start to draw anything but the current "high adrenaline twitch shooting" crowd it does now.
Wow. They had a bit of time set aside for women and non-binary people, and the snowflakes went ape-shit.
I think the snowflakes in this case would be the people too sensitive to take part in an inclusive event that includes everyone. Everyone being MEN and WOMEN.
The whole event was targetted to snowflakes who can't stand having to share their time with other people. It was actual sexism.
It's not surprising though that you're using snowflake wrong in this case. You'll never admit to being on the wrong side of the actual sexism happening. Let's be clear : Excluding MALES is never inclusive. Including males is never sexist.
And that fact is what some people are trying to change. There's no particular reason to actively work at driving away one gender from your game.
Sounds sexist, but that's all in your head.
What if, get this, no one is actively working to drive away any gender from particular games.
What if what is actually happening is that people make games, and based on certain characteristics of gender, some people of a given gender prefer one type of game, and people of another gender prefer different games ?
Like you can try to make Need for Speed appealing to women all you want (I wouldn't even know where to begin and what to change), but what you're most likely going to end up with is a game no one wants to play. So you make the best darn racing game you can, and if men prefer it and your demographic ends up being 85% men, well you say "damn we made a good racing game" and that is that.