Yeah...another thing...this game (or its predecessor) was out in arcades in the US around 1997. I remember dogfighting people in the dorms because we were always trying to decide who the better Wing Commander pilot was.
So if it looks a bit similar to Crimson Skies, that's the CS people's fault.
On top of that...Troll...all games nowadays look like some other game that's out nowadays. The trick for the Marketers is trying to act like that other game never existed.
If you read the post, it looks like he's specifically talking about the import titles, and he's right:
Primal Image, Fantavision, Armored Core 2...these are all Japanese PS2 launch titles. Kessen, All-Star Pro Wrestling, Tekken Tag and Ridge Racer V aren't far behind.
The newest title they have in the import section is FFX-2, and that's months old, everything else they have as far as I know, is at least a year, if not 2 or 3 years old.
So, if you like imports, this is known as a shitty selection.
Also, what kind of stupid poll only polls somehwere around 15,000 people to determine the most popular game for use in a museum? If I was curator for this, I'd have to have at least a million votes...especially considering the popularity of the machine.
A whopping 465 people saying SMB3 is the best NES game ever isn't all that inspiring.
Every series on TV has that wacky Halloween episode...just think of it like that. =) I think most people are going to have a better time renting or borrowing this then they will have owning it.
This isn't really like any other FF in almost any sense. I've had a review of this up since, oh, JULY, but apparently, if you're not named Gamespy or 1UP, Slashdot doesn't care.
If you don't have time to the read the full review, the only comparison to an FF I can make is that it's going to be the most divisive in the FF camp of fans since FF8. It does look very nice, though.
The one thing I like about FFXI as compared to other MMORPGs is that there is an actual ending in the game. You still go on and quest afterwards, but there's a definite main arc that you can finish and feel that you accomplished something other than raising a big # next to your name.
Seriously, it was like right after C# had come out and I started seeing all kinds of jobs requiring 3-5 years of C# experience. When you get an idiot to write up the reqs, and interview the people...you get idiots.
Like I said, I say that because they have the most free time. They can devote more hours of the day to gaming than you or I, and I include the time I can sneak at work on my GBA, or playing Flash games on the net. A college student at a place that doesn't require attendance can cram more gaming into any given day than I'd probably be able to do on a weekend.
Exactly DRSkwid. Why the hell do I want to read ANYTHING from a review site where reviewers have a hard time giving a game a bad score?
You (the writer of the parent post, not Skwid.) must write for IGN. The whole reason I started writing reviews, was not for the swag, it wasn't for the free games, it was because I was a college student, and I decided that SOMEONE was going to tell people when a game really sucked so they didn't spend their $50 on a piece of crap.
PC Gamer wasn't doing it, Gamespot wasn't doing it, and IGN sure as hell wasn't doing it. So I would.
I specifically wanted to do the bad reviews. Knowing that the $50 I spent on a crappy game could possibly mean that 3 or 4 or however many people might be dissuaded from making a similar mistake is the reason I write.
College students and high school students are the most hardcore gamers out there...because they have the most time. (Seriously, you can be as old school as you want, but if you have a job, Jimmy SAT is going to have a crapload more time to play than you.) They also have the least money. So when they could have bought Game X that is actually good, but not a big name game, or Game Y, which got a lot of positive hype, but was ultimately shallow and short, that really impacts them.
I write to help them make the right choice. I don't write to get swag. I don't write to get free games. We don't have advertisers. If you've already sold out, get the hell out of the game, because you aren't doing us, the REAL gamers any good at all.
Damn...is the current trend in trendy videogame journalism just to be a retard and tell the common man that he's stupid for being the common man?
"Oh, I'm too wussy to actually play a game through to completion, but it's not my fault, it's the game companies...just make shorter games so I can see the ending."
You shell out 50 clams for a game. I.e. more than 5 times the amount for the smaller, omre enjoyable chunks of entertainment that are known as movies. 15 times the cost of a magazine and infinite more times than regular TV.
But you know what we REALLY need? The ability to pay a whole lot more for less entertainment. Honestly, who wouldn't be against that aside from people who don't eat their lead paint cereal with their bowl of mercury?
You know the best way to get rid of pompous fools like these? Visit real game websites that don't try and talk down to you because you can't be avant-garde if you're not arrogant. Lump these guys into the list of sites that you block, along with the fools at Insert Credit.
Unfortunately, AdventureGamers have also learned "that [original series creator] Al Lowe has nothing to do with this new game."
I don't understand where the shock is in any of this. Al Lowe's "involvement" on many of the games that had his name on them consisted of him walking into the dev. department, asking how the game was going, and never coming back in again. I worked with a guy in the sound dept. who worked on "his" games and swore he'd have nothing to do with him ever again. Called him the foulest man he'd ever met.
This is utter crap. Who does Gamespy blow to get these articles put up here?
A couple weeks ago we had their thoughts on the most Overrated games ever. Or was it the most Overhyped?
Now they're talking about how creatively lacking TGS is when E3 is..wait for it...EXACTLY THE SAME DAMN THING EVERY YEAR. But somehow, this level of insight isn't put into the GameSpy E3 coverage.
Here's Psylancer's wrap-up of E3:
"I guess, in some respects, this year's E3 showed how the business is maturing. Even though there were fewer surprises than in year's past, there were probably more solid titles all around. It doesn't make for the most exciting show, but it's probably smarter business."
So, no bitchfest about how US companies are going through the same creative withdrawl, and in fact, they totally condone it.
The reason less Japanese-developed games are in the top 10? Well, let's look at the top 10, shall we? Oh wait...they don't have them anywhere. I'm guessing what you'd find is a bunch of US League sports titles. NBA something or other, Madden blah blah blah, and NHL Checks Your Mom Through the Plexiglass.
There's also probably a WCW Monday Night Male Fondling Competition somewhere in there, too.
So, obviously, Japanese developers arent go to be able to do anything about those games. There's no point in a Japanese company going out of their way to make wrestling, basketball, football, and hockey games based off of another country's sports leagues when the same leagues in Japan haven't even taken off.
The only sports that have flourished in Japan are the J-League for Soccer/European football and the Japanese Babseball leagues. As testimony to their popularity, the Winning 11, and Baseball games sell PHENOMENALLY well in Japan.
Without the other sports gaining popularity, there's not going to be a Konami X-League football, or a Sega Japan League Basketball 2Night, or a WCW Monday Night Sumo Basho, much less games based off of the same sports, only with athletes from another country.
This fool goes on to say that it looks like the Japanese companies aren't doing anything to trying and fend of this creative brain fart. Well, maybe they should look to their obviously superior US counterparts who don't develop a game that isn't a sequel or a blatant rip-off of another successful game from 5 years ago.
Wake up, Gamespy idiots. There's no creativity ANYWHERE in the idustry anymore. Why? Because the industry keeps recycling the same fools who have been producing all the crappy games they're been producing. What do you think you're going to get out of a developer who designed 5 mediocre titles? I'll bet my salary that you'll get a 6th mediocre game. Get some new blood, and with it some new ideas. It's not just Japan that needs it either. Your beloved advertisers suffer from the same affliction.
It was one of the most overlooked games of last year in my opinion. No magic and monsters, in the FF:Tactics sense (save for some man-eating tigers) you'll just be fighting other armies on a game board.
The one that doesn't presume it knows so much that they can spew out a Top X Games of all time in Category Y.
I seriously hate this make a list journalism. To top it off, Gamespy's retarded.
Look at some of the games that made it. Battlecruiser 3000 A.D. This is highly overrated...by WHO?! I don't know anyone who likes this game...or Daikatana for that matter. I think they started making an Overhyped list and then realized, "Oh wait a second, they advertise WITH US...we can't make fun of them!"
Then Starfleet Command...who here has played this besides me? And I liked the game. If you don't, it's probably because you didn't like Star Fleet Battles, the game it was based off of.
I figured games.slashdot.org was for game news, not the latest crap article someone was spitting out. Hey, when's the next new insertcredit incisive something or other coming out? I need see if there's really something worse than Gamespy out there now.
the word "irony" gets thrown about so often it doesn't mean anything anymore. It totally detracts from the article! I mean it's not like the console came out said, "We want our OWN MMOs because they are so lame on the PC!"
People shouldn't write if they don't know how to use common words. That's like letting someone be a doctor without knowing what Aspirin does.
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If you read the interview...it says that the guy who pulled the gun wasn't playing in the tourney...he was a friend of one of the people playing.
Yeah...another thing...this game (or its predecessor) was out in arcades in the US around 1997. I remember dogfighting people in the dorms because we were always trying to decide who the better Wing Commander pilot was.
So if it looks a bit similar to Crimson Skies, that's the CS people's fault.
On top of that...Troll...all games nowadays look like some other game that's out nowadays. The trick for the Marketers is trying to act like that other game never existed.
If you read the post, it looks like he's specifically talking about the import titles, and he's right:
Primal Image, Fantavision, Armored Core 2...these are all Japanese PS2 launch titles. Kessen, All-Star Pro Wrestling, Tekken Tag and Ridge Racer V aren't far behind.
The newest title they have in the import section is FFX-2, and that's months old, everything else they have as far as I know, is at least a year, if not 2 or 3 years old.
So, if you like imports, this is known as a shitty selection.
And on top of that...they suck.
Seriously...no machinery to make these, huh? That's probably one of the most obvious things ever stated.
Well, that's the first time I've been 0wned on a forum.
I guess I was looking at this more like an election, since there were so many possible choices. Maybe poll was a bad term to use.
Good catch.
Also, what kind of stupid poll only polls somehwere around 15,000 people to determine the most popular game for use in a museum? If I was curator for this, I'd have to have at least a million votes...especially considering the popularity of the machine.
A whopping 465 people saying SMB3 is the best NES game ever isn't all that inspiring.
Every series on TV has that wacky Halloween episode...just think of it like that. =) I think most people are going to have a better time renting or borrowing this then they will have owning it.
This isn't really like any other FF in almost any sense. I've had a review of this up since, oh, JULY, but apparently, if you're not named Gamespy or 1UP, Slashdot doesn't care.
If you don't have time to the read the full review, the only comparison to an FF I can make is that it's going to be the most divisive in the FF camp of fans since FF8. It does look very nice, though.
Um...Xenosaga wasn't done by Square.
The one thing I like about FFXI as compared to other MMORPGs is that there is an actual ending in the game. You still go on and quest afterwards, but there's a definite main arc that you can finish and feel that you accomplished something other than raising a big # next to your name.
Seriously, it was like right after C# had come out and I started seeing all kinds of jobs requiring 3-5 years of C# experience. When you get an idiot to write up the reqs, and interview the people...you get idiots.
Actually, there's a fairly big loophole...about 60 nations signed the Space Treaty, and the US didn't sign the one for the moon.
So, I move to Sealand and claim all planets and the moon, as well as all asteroids.
Like I said, I say that because they have the most free time. They can devote more hours of the day to gaming than you or I, and I include the time I can sneak at work on my GBA, or playing Flash games on the net. A college student at a place that doesn't require attendance can cram more gaming into any given day than I'd probably be able to do on a weekend.
Exactly DRSkwid. Why the hell do I want to read ANYTHING from a review site where reviewers have a hard time giving a game a bad score?
You (the writer of the parent post, not Skwid.) must write for IGN. The whole reason I started writing reviews, was not for the swag, it wasn't for the free games, it was because I was a college student, and I decided that SOMEONE was going to tell people when a game really sucked so they didn't spend their $50 on a piece of crap.
PC Gamer wasn't doing it, Gamespot wasn't doing it, and IGN sure as hell wasn't doing it. So I would.
I specifically wanted to do the bad reviews. Knowing that the $50 I spent on a crappy game could possibly mean that 3 or 4 or however many people might be dissuaded from making a similar mistake is the reason I write.
College students and high school students are the most hardcore gamers out there...because they have the most time. (Seriously, you can be as old school as you want, but if you have a job, Jimmy SAT is going to have a crapload more time to play than you.) They also have the least money. So when they could have bought Game X that is actually good, but not a big name game, or Game Y, which got a lot of positive hype, but was ultimately shallow and short, that really impacts them.
I write to help them make the right choice. I don't write to get swag. I don't write to get free games. We don't have advertisers. If you've already sold out, get the hell out of the game, because you aren't doing us, the REAL gamers any good at all.
Damn...is the current trend in trendy videogame journalism just to be a retard and tell the common man that he's stupid for being the common man?
"Oh, I'm too wussy to actually play a game through to completion, but it's not my fault, it's the game companies...just make shorter games so I can see the ending."
I've got a picture for this guy.
You shell out 50 clams for a game. I.e. more than 5 times the amount for the smaller, omre enjoyable chunks of entertainment that are known as movies. 15 times the cost of a magazine and infinite more times than regular TV.
But you know what we REALLY need? The ability to pay a whole lot more for less entertainment. Honestly, who wouldn't be against that aside from people who don't eat their lead paint cereal with their bowl of mercury?
You know the best way to get rid of pompous fools like these? Visit real game websites that don't try and talk down to you because you can't be avant-garde if you're not arrogant. Lump these guys into the list of sites that you block, along with the fools at Insert Credit.
As far as "foul" goes, I'd probably say in the "temper" and "manner" depts.
In the matter of the games, I think it was just everything that had his name on it, around the time of LSL6 onward.
Unfortunately, AdventureGamers have also learned "that [original series creator] Al Lowe has nothing to do with this new game."
I don't understand where the shock is in any of this. Al Lowe's "involvement" on many of the games that had his name on them consisted of him walking into the dev. department, asking how the game was going, and never coming back in again. I worked with a guy in the sound dept. who worked on "his" games and swore he'd have nothing to do with him ever again. Called him the foulest man he'd ever met.
My main question here is exactly HOW badly do you have to fail in order to get kicked out of the industry once you're in it?
Not to the limit? Come ON, fhqwghads.
Besides, who writes a phrase like, "tax the GameCube to the limit"? What are the developers, the Government?
I cancelled, too. Also wrote a review. Pretty damn pissed off about the whole thing.
This is utter crap. Who does Gamespy blow to get these articles put up here?
A couple weeks ago we had their thoughts on the most Overrated games ever. Or was it the most Overhyped?
Now they're talking about how creatively lacking TGS is when E3 is..wait for it...EXACTLY THE SAME DAMN THING EVERY YEAR. But somehow, this level of insight isn't put into the GameSpy E3 coverage.
Here's Psylancer's wrap-up of E3:
"I guess, in some respects, this year's E3 showed how the business is maturing. Even though there were fewer surprises than in year's past, there were probably more solid titles all around. It doesn't make for the most exciting show, but it's probably smarter business."
So, no bitchfest about how US companies are going through the same creative withdrawl, and in fact, they totally condone it.
The reason less Japanese-developed games are in the top 10? Well, let's look at the top 10, shall we? Oh wait...they don't have them anywhere. I'm guessing what you'd find is a bunch of US League sports titles. NBA something or other, Madden blah blah blah, and NHL Checks Your Mom Through the Plexiglass.
There's also probably a WCW Monday Night Male Fondling Competition somewhere in there, too.
So, obviously, Japanese developers arent go to be able to do anything about those games. There's no point in a Japanese company going out of their way to make wrestling, basketball, football, and hockey games based off of another country's sports leagues when the same leagues in Japan haven't even taken off.
The only sports that have flourished in Japan are the J-League for Soccer/European football and the Japanese Babseball leagues. As testimony to their popularity, the Winning 11, and Baseball games sell PHENOMENALLY well in Japan.
Without the other sports gaining popularity, there's not going to be a Konami X-League football, or a Sega Japan League Basketball 2Night, or a WCW Monday Night Sumo Basho, much less games based off of the same sports, only with athletes from another country.
This fool goes on to say that it looks like the Japanese companies aren't doing anything to trying and fend of this creative brain fart. Well, maybe they should look to their obviously superior US counterparts who don't develop a game that isn't a sequel or a blatant rip-off of another successful game from 5 years ago.
Wake up, Gamespy idiots. There's no creativity ANYWHERE in the idustry anymore. Why? Because the industry keeps recycling the same fools who have been producing all the crappy games they're been producing. What do you think you're going to get out of a developer who designed 5 mediocre titles? I'll bet my salary that you'll get a 6th mediocre game. Get some new blood, and with it some new ideas. It's not just Japan that needs it either. Your beloved advertisers suffer from the same affliction.
It was one of the most overlooked games of last year in my opinion. No magic and monsters, in the FF:Tactics sense (save for some man-eating tigers) you'll just be fighting other armies on a game board.
If you're interested, here's my review of the first incarnation. I have the second ready to review.
Want to know which game site you can trust?
The one that doesn't presume it knows so much that they can spew out a Top X Games of all time in Category Y.
I seriously hate this make a list journalism. To top it off, Gamespy's retarded.
Look at some of the games that made it. Battlecruiser 3000 A.D. This is highly overrated...by WHO?! I don't know anyone who likes this game...or Daikatana for that matter. I think they started making an Overhyped list and then realized, "Oh wait a second, they advertise WITH US...we can't make fun of them!"
Then Starfleet Command...who here has played this besides me? And I liked the game. If you don't, it's probably because you didn't like Star Fleet Battles, the game it was based off of.
I figured games.slashdot.org was for game news, not the latest crap article someone was spitting out. Hey, when's the next new insertcredit incisive something or other coming out? I need see if there's really something worse than Gamespy out there now.
Damn straight. I remembered seeing ads up and down that mag for Outpost. Editor's Choice!
the word "irony" gets thrown about so often it doesn't mean anything anymore. It totally detracts from the article! I mean it's not like the console came out said, "We want our OWN MMOs because they are so lame on the PC!"
People shouldn't write if they don't know how to use common words. That's like letting someone be a doctor without knowing what Aspirin does.
Even the folks here at Slashdot know this business plan doesn't work:
Step 1: Announce Game Console.
Step 2: Don't Show Up to E3.
Step 3: Don't Show Up to GDC.
Step 4: Announce Unveiling, but still don't show the console.
Step 5: Don't have an office, and don't have prduction facilities.
Step 6: ???
Step 7: Profit!