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Real Gun Pulled At Counter-Strike Tournament
Audiovore writes "Got Frag? has a press release and interview with the president of Cyber X Gaming about an event which took place after a Counter-Strike LAN gaming qualifier in Los Angeles at the weekend. Apparently, two guys from separate teams got in a fight outside, and when staff tried to break it up one of the participants went to his car, got a gun, and pointed it at the head of a staff member (who happened to be the son of the CXG president.) His team-mates then 'encouraged the person with the gun to fire', although the situation was then calmed down and the remainder of the event was cancelled."
Now this is guaranteed be used as ammo (bad pun) for all kinds of 'family' and 'parent' groups all over the place.
Clearly the problem is the game, which makes people violent. Not in the fact that this particular lunatic owns, and is ready to point a gun at somebody's head.
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I'm sure this will get modded to troll immediately, since I'm saying something most /.ers don't want to hear, but this is really something to be expected.
People sit and spend days and days playing games like this where they learn to shoot at almost anything that might be a threat. Just like an athlete that practices for years to hone their reflexes so they don't have to think about actions, but just do -- or like a musician that practices for years so their skills are sharp -- gamers teach themselves to solve problems with violence and to use weapons quickly and easily.
So it's no wonder one of them decides that's the best way to solve their problem and that the others around actually egg him on to shot another human being.
People practice basketball for years to develop skills and be able to react without thinking. Musicians practice for years to learn how to use their instruments without having to think about what they do. In both cases, people are training their neurons by repeated action. And somehow we don't think practicing using a gun day after day doesn't do the same thing?
Get real. Violence leads to more violence, even if it starts with fantasy violence.
No.
if you take games this seriously, theres something that wrong with you
Another reason for forced sterilization... oh wait, these guys were already at a gaming convention.
Personally -- my opinion, not stated as fact -- I don't really like the people who play CS in general these days. They are complete assholes, they steal my shit when I'm hosting/visiting a LAN party, and are generally very violent, aggressive, and standoffish. There are some good players out there, but they're getting sparse. Of course, this is slashdot, and my post is +5, Obvious... We certainly have our share of idiots here! :) It seems to happen to online communities as more people concentrate in them... :/ Sad, really. BTW, has anyone seen those yoda doll trolls? So insane, they're completely hilarious... frickin morons! :)
This could just as easily have been a Football game, it just wouldn't have garnered this attention. I remember 3 years ago they pre-emptively tear gassed students at the CU - CSU football game to prevent a riot. When the police were asked for justification, they cited the riots that had happened every year for the previous 5 years.
For that matter, we tend to have some kind of riot whenever the Av's Hockey team loses.
The actions of a single individual don't define a group.
Sangloth
I'd appreciate any comment with a logical basis...it doesn't even have to agree with me.
I guess I am not Joe sixpack. I will admit this is becoming more common-place but I wouldnt say this is ordinary by any means. We didnt all of a sudden have a gun problem. Right to bear arms has been around since day 1. I wonder how many people died during a croquet game gone bad? The problem lies elsewhere. Maybe its all those slacker parents... who knows. Bowling for Columbine... Yes, half a brain would be necessary.
It's the pavement!
Nothing happened untill they went OUTSIDE, to the PARKING LOT, which has PAVEMENT! Let's look at the facts. Nearly EVERY drive-by shooting ever has been within 5 feet of pavement. Most gang violence in urban areas is near pavement!
It's time to do something about this pavement industry that's causing EPIDEMICS of violence in this country. Back in revolutionary times (when there was no pavement) things like drive-by shootings and gang violence didn't happen! I defy someone to find a whole in my logic!
Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!
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From the article:
The police do have the names of the players and teams associated with the actions and we assume that this will reach a quick conclusion. I can tell everyone that the person that pulled the gun was not part of the BZ team, rather, friends of a certain member of that team.
I live in a country where people have riots and burn cars because their basketball team loses. Heck, sometimes when their team wins. No one ever blames the violence on basketball. Some nutcase friend of player pulls a gun and it's counter-strike's fault?
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This is scary in a way that someone felt the need to go and actually SHOOT someone from an opposing team outside of the building. But then I guess I shouldn't be suprised, it IS Los Angeles after all, and that city is well known for high crime and gun nuts.
Perhaps the most disturbing thing of all is that the guys buddies were encouraging him to shoot.
You must master your joystick like a fisherman masters bait! - Gimpy
To go BACK to his car, pull out a (most likely) LOADED gun he had LOADED beforehand and then go BACK to the guy who had pissed him off. He should be a canidate for the electric chair. Not wanting a gibsonesque future but he might not have killed someone already but he sure as hell would have with that MO.
Example: See "President G. W. Bush" >:)
I'd like to kick the ass of that guy and all his idiot friends who egged him on!
Wait, that wouldn't help solve the problem of gaming being related to violence, would it?
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am i the only one who thought that some had a rail gun!
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...at least he didn't shoot the guy. I mean, if videogames make you want to kill people, wouldn't this guy just have come back from his car shooting first and asking questions later?
Of course, it could also be that he just didn't want to lose points for shooting civilians.
"who needs courage, when you've got a gun?"
how weak, to pull a gun on someone, not to mention an unarmed someone. could he not win the arguement any other way? was his ego so easily bruised? how weak.
Guess what folks...Pulling a weapon out during a stupid arguement is nothing new. It happened before the friggin wheel was invented, let alone counterstrike. The stupid friends were always there as well.
It is impossible to say whether or not video games promote violent behavior. I do not believe that they do, but I have no evidence to support this believe.
In any case, what we *can* say with certainty is that a kind of aggressive/macho/anti-social culture does develop around certain online games. You have only to play these games to notice the angry, sociopathic tendencies of many of their participants (e.g. the rampant cheating, trash talking, causing other nuisances, etc.).
Whether or not the game itself (CS) promotes this kind of behavior is certainly an unresolved question. At the very least, I think we can agree (as another poster pointed out) that certain games attract an element of player who is already disposed toward bad behavior. I do my best to avoid these games.
(who happened to be the son of the CXG president.)
... upon learning of the disturbance Chris Hill of CXG, and my son, was asked to try and resolve the matter and stop the fighting ...
... placed it to the head of Chris Hill
Note to story editor, it wasn't his son, that's not what the release says:
09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
The real Grade A morons here, by the way, have to be the teammates encouraging the other Grade A moron with the gun to fire...
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
I knew a person that got sent to prison for five years for taking an unloaded shotgun and brandishing it at some punks that were bothering him and his girlfriend. He just wanted to scare the guys away (stupid to do so with an unloaded weapons, seeing as they could have easily had a loaded one, but I digress)
This person should get at least as stiff a penalty. He thinks he the big bad man, well, let's so how big and bad he is in prison. Then he can have a couple of years to think how his life would have been different if he had thought a little.
Personally, I have little patience for idiots like this and wouldn't mind seeing them removed from the Earth. (Dark Side Points awarded)
SpaceCowboy
I hate the way the media blows everything out of proportion. You can easily blame everything on something else. Now we have guys pulling guns out on people because of a dispute, there's something new for you. You can't really blame video games for this because this isn't the first time this has happened. There has been thousands of years of violence and crazy people who did fine on their own without video games. Just because it happened at a CS tournament doesn't mean it was because of it, but the cheering of the friends is disturbing.
He's been practicing twitching, and is obviously very good at it if he spends the time to go to such an event. Just got done turning his nervous system over to the act-then think mode, with all the hormones from the activity itself, with the additional stress of some percieved inequity and resulting REAL fight. He goes to his car, and escalates things right to the cliff by commiting a violent felony from which there is no longer a way to escape without consequences. Then there is the peer pressure, from people he knows, likes, and probably respects and trusts more than most!
He still doesn't shoot!?
Everything but that small voice inside his head was screaming for a very different outcome. In many ways it isn't a surprise; it's a bonafide wonder the small voice won out.
You're opinion is accurate, short, and to the point...well done (you helped change my opinion).
Hey, way to generalize man... I manage a coffee shop and have been a very gentle person most of my life. (I was kinda mean to my younger brother until around 17 when I realized how lame it was.)
I resent your comments and if I ever see you in person I'm gonna take a claw hammer and...
I mean... have a nice day!
I thought I saw a Slashdot article a few months back about some dude in Korea who actually pulled the trigger on someone after getting beat in CS?
"...and pointed it at the head of a staff member"
So... he was obviously using an aimbot.
cus there are just too many idiots out there
""Where the choice is between only violence and cowardice, I would advise violence." -Mohatma Gandhi"
Violence is cowardice. Cowardice is beating up people who are merely disagreeing. Cowardice is pulling a gun on someone because you disagree.
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Get a clue. I have lived in the states my whole life(30 years), and have NEVER seen a gun pulled in a violent maner.
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So what? This sort of behaviour is common in the States, nothing new to see here, move along now.
No this behaviour is bot common. That's why it's considered news.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
I couldn't help how but notice how tough you sound, like everyone else on-line.
What I would like to know why do all the Tough-Guys(TM) spend all there time on-line? Don't they know that very nearly everyone just walking around outside is a total coward devoid of cartilage much less a spine?
Thank you for your time.
Sincerly,
The only spineless gob of goo on the net (appearently).
were you going to say, "build you a house"?
were you once the President of the United States of America?
Are you Jimmy Carter?!
by adopting a kid and feedin him/her/it nonstop Elmer Fudd cartoons instead of video games or other forms of entertainment i can end up having a bunny-hating shotgun-wielding kid of my very own.. hopefully with a similar speech impediment.
great theory.
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No this behaviour is bot common.
I can't believe you take the oppurtunity to make derogatory comments against Electronic Americans. It is because of people like you that anti-semiticism still exists. How would you feel if I say, "No, this behaviour is white common" or (judging by your, ah, behaviour) "No, this behaviour is Euro common"?
Get a life; Electronic Americans are also people like us!
Man I need to lay off the CS.
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Actually, I only know two people who own guns. One is a guard at Rikers Island, and the other is NYPD. Neither, to my knowledge, has had need to use their firearms, but would only use their firearms in the defense of themselves or innocent bystanders.
While these incidents are painfully common in the US, they're not everyday occurences. Many of us are non-violent people. Admitedly, we're very annoying people, though, which makes it a wonder you don't hear about more violence.
But you've already seen Bowling for Columbine. You know that these incidents are less common than the US media makes them out to be. In the NYC area we see a few reports of violent acts on the news every night, but in a metro area of several million people, the odds are pretty good that somebody's gonna fly off the handle every day. Even if this violence is a on-in-a-million shot, we're still guaranteed to see it every day at those odds.
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its an interesting doco and a must see for anyone with at least half a brain.
And it's perfect for the person with half a brain.
Some day there will be a great reckoning, where all the trolls who post anonymously to avoid the karmic consequences are smitten upon the landscape.
Their women will be slaughtered and their sheep raped.
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anyone who takes "bowling for columbine" seriously, and not as the pile of bullshit that it is, should really just take themselves out of the gene pool.
I have rtfa and the interview and the submission here and I can't find any evidence that the playing of the game (Counterstrike) caused the gun to be used violently. There was a gun and violence and a game of Counterstrike, so what? Was the gun toting individual affected by playing Counterstrike? Were his actions justified? It's not likely, but we're not given enough information to decide for sure. What about the actual team members that encouraged the associate to shoot? Why didn't they just grab their friends gun and do it themselves if they were so demented from hours of Counterstrike. There is also something about the press release that doesn't add up. The only reason I could think to get to work immediately on such a carefully crafted announcement would be to preempt some type of legal action by either party, but the lack of specific details within it raises some suspicion here. I would be interested to know what action Hill Jr took to 'resolve the matter and stop the fighting'. Maybe neglect in developing any conventional social skills landed him in water over his head? I know I can organise a decent gaming session without any real violence breaking out. Why does trouble seem to follow Jr around? Who's to know? Sr. makes some general speculations about what causes these outbursts. He suggests yep it's our fault, it's the games fault, the empathy of the community is to blame. Not much of a defence... And why defend the gaming community? Because the media told you so? No thanks.
Marylin Manson said, 'keep everyone afraid, and they'll consume.' Is Mr. Hill milking a bit of free advertising? Would guards and metal detectors repel the gaming masses. Hardly! I wish I could make sense of mindless acts of violence but this story does nothing to help me do so. I love the idea of guns as much as the next FPS gamer, but I could live a lifetime and not own one, let alone present it at someone. There are an estimated 2.5 million plus people that play Counterstrike worldwide - and one of them gets a gun pulled on him by another? Even if this is what happened, the only reason I care, is to chuckle at the over-reaction to it by the gaming community.
However to the rest of the world Americans do sort of come off looking like gun waiving maniacs. Perhaps it's just a convenient stereotype that you media constantly reinforces.
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Mod parent down please.
Why do you go to a computer gaming contest (of any sort) with a gun in your car?
How does someone who is obviously not the sort that should have a firearm get a firearm? They get the firearm because the screening processes used when purchasing a firearm in the US are ineffective.
No wonder other people (Non-Gamers) get touchy about computer violence, when people can go out and purchase these things and indulge their late night fantasies.
Or even more damning: aggravating a already dangerous and volatile situation by encouraging this guy to commit murder! Hopefully some police action was taken against all the people involved.
Does violent gaming increase violence? Last week I would have said "I don't know" This week I say "In an already violent culture, like the American culture perhaps it does"
And as far as all of people who say that violent gaming does not promote violence, I suggest that you help prove your words and make sure that you and you friends are still here in the real world and not letting your fantasies go to far, rather than encouraging one an other in violent antisocial fantasies.
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Yes, but has your seeing eye dog?
I've had this sig for three days.
Off topic.
"However to the rest of the world Americans do sort of come off looking like gun waiving maniacs. Perhaps it's just a convenient stereotype that you media constantly reinforces."
GOOD!!! THEN PLEASE DON'T MOVE HERE!!! And tell the millions that come and try to how terrible of a place this is!! Everyone hates the USA but they still keep coming...WHY??!!!
Thank You. An American citizen.
"...less common than the US media makes them out to be."
I don't think the media makes violence out to be more common than it is (well, it probably depends on your definitions). Just by virtue of seeing violence on the news - from possibility the entire world - might make an individual think violence happens more often than not, but it not as if the media evilly plans it like that. Most things just aren't news.
Anyway, I just wanted to try and take any misplaced blame on the media away.
But if you compare statistics for violent deaths between the United States and non-gun-crazy first world countries, you might realize there is substance to this particular badmouthing.
"Common" is a relative term. The original poster probably meant that if the amount of violent gun death that occurs in America occurred in his or her country, it would be considered common, far too common (and indicative of something gone terribly, terribly awry {why can't Americans see what almost every other first-world nation sees? Surely, the one is wrong and the many are right?}).
I personally would prefer that victims of violence take trips to the hospital, rather than to the morgue. ymmv.
Please, do you offer lessons? I am willing to be an unpaid apprentice to learn the wisdom of your art. My life would be complete if I could just die with your wit on my tongue and your rhetorical skills in my mind -- truly, I should be ready to do intellectual battle with the Deity himself after drinking at the fount of your wisdom.
I care nothing about you mods, sit on it and rotate.
BTW, i'm not the original poster that you responded to, but you're quite welcome to foe me if you'd like.
fucking asshole lunatics.
Gandhi never advocated violence. Many people/reporters/etc would try and give him theoretical situations where he would be "forced" to choose a violent course. The quote was, "Where the choice is between only violence and cowardice, I would advise violence."
And if you bother to read the history of where this statement originates, the next thing he said was, "But I believe that nonviolence is infinitely superior to violence, forgiveness is more manly than punishment. Forgiveness adorns a soldier...But abstinence is forgiveness only when there is the power to punish; it is meaningless when it pretends to proceed from a helpless creature....
But I do not believe India to be helpless....I do not believe myself to be a helpless creature....Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
We do want to drive out the best in the man, but we do not want on that account to emasculate him. And in the process of finding his own status, the beast in him is bound now and again to put up his ugly appearance.
The world is not entirely governed by logic. Life itself involves some kind of violence and we have to choose the path of least violence."
Go read for yourself his philosophy.
If you are busy trying to argue wether people cane or can't be more or less right, then you've missed why I pointed out that quote which was taken out of context.
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huh, that's pretty amusing, you coward!
People practice basketball for years to develop skills and be able to react without thinking. Musicians practice for years to learn how to use their instruments without having to think about what they do. In both cases, people are training their neurons by repeated action. And somehow we don't think practicing using a gun day after day doesn't do the same thing? Get real. Violence leads to more violence, even if it starts with fantasy violence.
I don't buy it. By your argument:
* Playing football regularly would teach people to slam people into the ground when they get angry with them. I don't see many marketing managers running out and doing so, despite the fact that football is wildly popular with the American male.
* SimCity should be banned because it promotes a callousness about evicting people from their houses.
* Martial arts, generally considered a healthy activity and good for discipline and dedication, should *definitely* be banned. Martial arts does *nothing* but try to teach you to respond to violence on reflex alone.
* Oregon Trail (old video game in which you play a pioneer traveling to Oregon) should be banned -- you shoot as a major portion of the game.
I understand why your argument is alluring, but there are an awful lot of holes in trying to apply it to real life.
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it does have some humour in it.
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Everyone has a god given right to defend themselves.
I believe the correct way to resolve that incident at the game convention should have been that everyone involved should have immediately drawn their own weapons and started firing. So much better if there were innocent children nearby, so they could see God's justice applied first hand. Assuming any of them survived.
Furthermore, the self defence rule should apply equally to nations, as well as people.
Therefore Australia should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. And so should Iran and Iraq. And China. And Indonesia.
Because Jesus said they should.
Oh, and this is meant ironically you totally freaking insane Jesus-quoting gun-toting moron.
Police were particularly concerned because, at a Counter-Stike tournament held last month, ten young men were shot... in the head... with one bullet... through five brick walls.
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Blaming the games and disregarding the guns that are everywhere.
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All comments seem to be about how the game shouldn't be blamed, but I don't see anyone blaming the game (yet)...
welcome to LA, have a nice day.
So what? This sort of behaviour is common in the States
That doesn't make it right.
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Where every freak is given a gun, with a smile.
Violent crime is down in the U.S. in the last several years. Very few people have ever even seen a gun pulled in Real Life (but for the record, a growning number of responsible people are carrying in the U.S., ready, willing and able to use their gun in self defense. As it should be.).
As for "Bolwing for Columbine" being a documentary -- it's no more a documentary than Armegeddon was a documentary about Bruce Willis saving us from death by asteroid. It was presented as a documentary, it is flogged by the press and other liberals as a documentary, but a documentary doesn't take clips of speach from over a period of several years, paste them together to give the message you want (completely different than the original message of the speaker) and present it as a speach that actually happened.
Maybe the parent groups are right. We ARE too stupid to separate pixels and real blood...
But what pisses me off the most is that NO ONE COMPLAINS ABOUT THE VIOLENCE THAT OCCURS WHEN PEOPLE ARE PLAYING OR NOT PLAYING SPORTS! Sports is responsible for riots, rapes (Kobe Bryant), and war. This is the first real act of violence because of a game that I've ever heard of of, yet no one complains about sports. No one complains about jocks whupping on "geeks". In fact, they ENCOURAGE it by giving them the preferrential treatment. Not to mention the girls giving them head when the guys smack 'em around (I am convinced that girls are attracted to men who beat them).
Sorrry for the rant, but this really really pisses me off. I'm too angry to type anymore. I'm gonna throw this laptop across the room.
Watch Scarborough Country on MSNBC or listen to Mancow's Morning Madhouse a few times and you'll know what I'm talking about.
This was not a reflex. The guy didn't just pull the gun out of his pants - he went back to his car, got the gun, and returned to the scene of the fight. That's not a reflex - that's making and executing a plan.
Corporate Jenga: You take a blockhead from the bottom and you put him on top...
I've played Pac-Man all my life.
Now here I am big and fat from eating way too much. And I'm still stuck in this dammed maze.
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
Counter-strike seems to attract the gangstas.
LA asian gangs in this example.
Guess what you fucking tards, the US military mowed down 9 kids in Afghanistan with a barrage of "high-explosive" 30mm rounds from an A-10. The kids were playing marbles in the desert. Do you know what a high-explosive 30mm round does to a kid...I can assure you, it's not a pretty sight. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that they guy they were after had skipped town and all the US has to say is that their 'intelligence' confirmed that he was there and that there were no kids present. Makes you wonder what US 'intelligence' really means. And where the fuck was that reported in the media...
OPen your eyes people...wake up already.
Prove it.
If you're going to meet my emotional demands and annecdotal evidence with things like reason and a call for a statistical basis, I guess you "Just don't get it".
It's people like you with your dispassionate "Wait and see" attitudes that are part of the problem. When you decide to follow your heart instead of your head, and be part of the solution, we'll be here. Until then, just know that you're down there and there is nothing you can do about it.
Has anyone else here noticed that when computers and videogames were solely the province of geeks, nerds, and hackers that real violence *never* seemed to occur anywhere near us? It wasn't until they idiot-proofed gaming that the idiots started using it and their idiot ways came with them. The same wannabe thugs that used to start fights over highschool football games have now brought theur bullshit machismo into our world, and now we see the consequences. They should have that whole team (and their "friend") dragged off and forcibly sterilized with a rusty can.
I don't think the parent meant that someone at the event had a railgun, more like a offhand comment related to Quake3. I happen to agree, as I can't count the number of times when we're all in a server online and the teams are fairly even. Everyone's playing well and semi-happy, when along logs in some swingin' henry who immediately bounds up to the railgun (yes, CTF4!) and starts railing everyone even before they can respawn fully! That just really pisses me off and I can feel pure rage to find him and kick the living shit outta him!!
OxOdOa wrote: Surely you agree that maintaining guns of equal strength in the police and citizenry is important?
The founding fathers of the USA advocated firearms to overthrow the government, not fight the police. Equal strength to the US Marines would be a more appropriate comment, and no, I don't advocate maintaining guns of equal strength to either - if you include SWAT teams in police.
{Where I live, the police owns tanks, helicopters, and automatic weapons - and trains people to use them. It is the LADP. Perhaps your police are less well armed and/or trained, but private citizens with armed helicopters, tanks, machine guns is effectively an army.}
But back to the militant overthrow of the government, which is what the founding fathers were trying to ensure as a possibility. In that time, if enough people believed in a cause, they could gather their arms, use some unconventional tactics, and take on a powerful nation's military, as the US revolutionaries did. With modern military technology, numbers just don't count for much without technology.
As for shooting tyrants, the history of the US will show you how often presidents are shot. Assination is not what the founder's had in mind, I'm sure.
Further, this would not be a realistic option for change. The vice president becomes president and this has happened - how many of those people thought "gee I better really change policy or else I'll get shot"?
Have you ever been to, say, a national convention? There was one for the Republicans in San Diego a few years back, and the security there was nuts - as it should be - but real tyrants have some inkling that there are loads of people out to get them and thus have even more security.
No, a straight 1776 style revolution was what the founders had in mind. And I'm sure we have all seen pictures from the Gulf Wars. You know that any active, open military rebellion within the US would be utterly destoryed.
If you honestly think you gun will defend your rights against a tyrant you are silly.
The best defense against this is honest, thinking freedom loving people in the military who will not follow a tyrant. I honestly think right now we are in good hands in that department. Machine gun wielding bands of people hiding out in the woods will not make much difference against modern technology. I'm not saying I would not be there alongside you, as much as my wife would hate loosing me I would be.
but a documentary doesn't take clips of speach from over a period of several years, paste them together to give the message you want (completely different than the original message of the speaker) and present it as a speach that actually happened.
Er....that's exactly what a documentary is. It's a series of clips and interviews pasted together in a way to show a point of view.
An unbiased documentary doesn't exist. That's not to say that a truthful documentary doesn't exist, however. And Bowling of Columbine is one of those truthful ones.
I apologise if I interrupted your gun cleaning session for you to read this.
Everyone is debating whether Counter Strike is making people violent or not.
I'd think gun ownership itself would be something to look at, maybe.
People get carried away. Not having guns around is a good way to keep things from getting serious.
I just don't understand why people want to own machines for killing other people. Even if a side-effect of the machines is that they frighten other people.
Jag pratar lite svenska.
Yeah, I've lived in a major US city for over six years now, and I've never seen a gun outside of "sports" shops. I've walked through "the hood", wandered Chinatown at night, traveled by public transit everywhere, and I've still not seen a single gun. I do know someone who was mugged, and I heard about an armed robbery at a store a few blocks from our house and saw the police cars, but that stuff happens in the UK too.
My family came over to visit, and were amazed to discover that kids of various races played peacefully on the street, running in and out of the unlocked houses. As "Bowling For Columbine" explains, the media paints a completely distorted view of America. Sure, NYC has 8x the per capita murder rate of London, but that still only means 17 murders per 100,000 people. Or to look at it another way, you could live there your whole life and only have a 1% chance of being murdered--and remember that most murders are committed by people known to the victim, so the chances of some random person shooting you are even lower than that.
I volunteered at a local public school. UK readers may be surprised to hear that there were no bars on the windows, no metal detectors, and none of the kids tried to sell me crack or knife me.
The funny thing is that "Bowling For Columbine" IS NOT ANTI-GUN. Yes, it takes the NRA to task for being grossly insensitive, but its main conclusion is that it's the MEDIA that's mostly at fault in perpetuating the culture of violence. Sheesh, you'd think the gun nuts would have enough brain cells to follow the movie and work out that it supports their position, but no, they assume that any documentary which criticizes their beloved NRA must be anti-gun Commie propaganda.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
A hostage has been rescued.
Counter-Terrorists win!
A documentary does use a series of clips and interviews pasted together in a way to show a point of view. However, that's not what BfC does. It has a "speach" supposedly given by Chuck Heston. It is a speach he never gave. It is instead bits and pieces of other speaches, taken out of context, pasted together and presented as if it were an actual speach he gave.
So, one of two things is true: BfC is fradulent or it is intended to be a fictional story. Perhaps about real people, groups and ideas, but fictional. Unforch, "documentary" implies non-fiction (not non-biased, mind you), and BfC is being passed of as a documentary, ergo it is fraudulent. It may resonate with your fear of guns, but just because it happens to match your world view doesn't make it true.
And I was designing a new feature for the sotware I write for a living, not cleaning guns. My guns are clean and put away safely and have been for some time, as work has kept me busy, so I've not had time to get to the range. Thanks for your concern, though. Quite touching.
I believe in gun control. I believe all adult citizens should learn how to control a gun.
Electronic Americans are also people like us!
And so are little wooden Italian-Americans, right?
Was he packing the D.Eagle or the SIG?
I actually was trolling, but for a specific set of individuals. In my circle of friends accusing someone of being "down there" has special significance. It's not even technically trolling. I don't even know if it has a name.
Five score? You're a hundred? Wow!
Have you ever noticed, how detached people are that play games online especially FPS games? Of the friends I have in real life, the ones that play FPS games online are the most detached, and non-sympathetic. Online gaming culture is all about 0\/\/ning and abusing as many people as you can on the way. Have you seen the racism, and general cruelty that runs unchecked on most public servers? Video games don't cause violence, not caring about anyone but yourself and being detached from human suffering does however.
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The violence happens in places like LA. It all depends on WHERE you are in the United North American States.
in similar terms, but they're pretty different - autonomically speaking. the point of the practice is to have an automatic reaction - you start playing a particular piece on the piano and the mechanics are automatic, so that the player can focus on the emotion of the piece. Martial arts is the same way, someone attacks you like this, than your body does this without thought, so that you can be figuring out what to do next... very different from the mechanics of keyboard strokes and mouse twitches translating into "go to car, get real gun (very different UI), pull trigger). and i think people are right to realize that the scariest part of this story is the "friends" aspect.
Did you ever think that maybe, to sociopaths to a greater degree than the world at large, online shooters are more attractive?
I play Return to Castle Wolfenstein online and its team environment usually has no real racist or socially inept behavior but once in a while a griefer signs on and team kills like crazy. I think they're used to QUAKE or something.
What I do is note which servers for UT2003 and RTCW actively kick/ban griefers and asswipes. I make them favorites and return to those servers over and over.
I have never used terms like OWNED and PWNED. I stay with the King's English. It's more polite.
However, to back up your original assertion, I am an unsympathetic person in general. I don't really care a whole bunch about the plight of american poverty (I have seen real poverty in Haiti, Mexico and the Phillipines, thank you very much). So maybe I'm an asshole. I don't care about that either.
I don't really care a whole bunch about the plight of american poverty (I have seen real poverty in Haiti, Mexico and the Phillipines, thank you very much).
Nice Anti-American statement put in there for no reason. But, if you want to take this thread there (god knows why) try visiting Penn or Grand central station in New York if you think American Poverty isn't "real poverty". Hopefully the next time you go to Haiti or another third world shithole you will stay there where you belong.
Nobody f*cks with the Jesus!!!
if someone shoots you in the right cheek, you should turn and let the other cheek be shot... assuming you are not already dead or suffering adverse side effects of Hole-In-Face.
And, if someone shoots you once, you should not just let him shoot you another 7 times but another 77 times.
Amen brother
If chubaca is a wookie why does he live on endor?We all now that little freaky midgets live on endor now i ask why would a seven foot wookie want to live on endor?TO stop this i say we blow up the planet endor,why to make chubaca happy.What does this have to do with the topic?Nothing really.But there isnt a point to blame an entire group or genre for a few stupid actions like chubaca living on endor with 3 foot midgets.