Though Bochs and Vmware are great apps, the future lies with projects like Wine. Interoperability is the only way to increase competition and that is why MS should have been forced to open up at least it's API rather than be forced to include competitors programs like Java.
*"THE WEANS", by Robert Nathan published by Random House, January, 1960, the Dodgers were a warring tribe that migrated from the east coast to the west coast, probably because of better hunting or simply because they were chased westward by a superior tribe called Yankees, there was also a tribe of Giants in the same area, but little is know about that tribe today... or, an elevator was used for religious and spiritual ceremonies since the word elevator has something to do with elevation and spirits.
I know what you mean. I tried to read an article today and found it impossible because of the danged ad flashing off to the side. Do you think my viewing their ads is worth more to them than my paying my monthly domain fee?
...just get out of the software business? Seriously, they must really be doing something wrong if laws that have worked for years for publishers of other types of works have managed to be profitable I can't imagine why they can't. Books have been copyable for over 50 years, and the "source" is even included with the product, yet they still manage to make money.
Speaking of books, anyone remember when software used to come with paper manuals? Now that was value!
Though I agree with you in principle, I think your analogy is a bit off. Forcing MS to distribute Sun's Java is akin to requiring NBC to broadcast another network's signal.
I've been compiling with 2.3.1 for almost 2 months now on my Gentoo system and the only real hitches I've had is with running code compiled against older versions.
I've bought a few of Mandrake's boxed sets in the last few years...7.0, 7.2, 8.1, and downloaded 9.0 with the intention of purchasing it as soon as I saw it on the shelves. Honestly, I've been more and more impressed with it with each release.
But I didn't want my money going to France, a country for which many of my forefathers shed their blood to keep free from tyranny, yet today is so anti-US that it supports terrorism over a fellow democracy.
It not only sucks from the employee's point of view, but also the general public's. People without health insurance will still get sick or injured, and when they do John Q is left with the tab.
This allows users to update their systems without waiting for packages to become available and gives them the power to choose how the software will interact with the rest of the system. There also exist nice wrappers that automate the process such as Gentoo's emerge that automate and hopefully soon Debian's apt-build.
ok, i use a radeon VE - no version of linux will even boot with it
My Radeon VE is the Dual Display Edition with 64mb SDR, TV-out, and DVI. Everything but the TV-out works fine in both the console frame-buffer and X. Mandrake, Redhat, and even Debian configured automatically for it, with Gentoo I had to compile support for the radeon in my kernel. Maybe I'm just lucky and it was all a fluke that everything worked flawlessly for me.
but i NEED windows for certain stuff...
I certainly can understand if you need Windows for a solution that Wine, Winex, or Codeweavers can't provide. I only use my box for development, surfing, creating graphics, sound editing, watching movies and listening to music, creating databases and other mundane stuff.
...and, not to be rude, but it's a windows world, and will be for quite some time:-/
I don't think you're being rude at all. The cage is the world to a captive lion too.
Nope '98. Needed drivers for my video card, wheel mouse, nic, dsl modem, and onboard sound chip...all of which were configured flawlessly without reboots during routine Mandrake and Redhat installs.
Personally I perfer FreeBSD to both, but that is more work at install than both (;
Gentoo for me now. BSD like portage and Linux drivers, the best of all possible worlds B-)
The tenets of basic economics are hurting the legitmate consumers every time someone steals DVDs.
Isn't another tenet of economics is to allow your customers to actually use the product you sell? If it weren't for DeCss open source users would have no reason to purchase DVDs.
Wow. Are you wrong. First off, the price of an OS + office suite is not zero. The price of a complicated, difficult to install, esoteric, very difficult to learn OS & office suite is zero. The price of an OS that works OUT OF THE BOX is several hundred dollars...
When was the last time you installed Linux? Mandrake and Redhat, and even Debian to a certain extent do work right "OUT OF THE BOX". The installs for the first two are far easier than Windows since you can just stick in a CD, pick your install option and have a system up and running in much less than an hour without having to juggle driver floppies and reboot after each disk.
What if independent authors can't afford the copyright tax?
People who aren't willing to risk fifty bucks on a bad read just may find they like the author when they can read his work for free in the public domain increasing his chances for success on his subsequent works.
True, you didn't say it was correct. But what you did say was that because it is a law it should be prosecuted no matter how bad a law it is. Jon is being prosecuted under a law in his own country while Dmitry was being prosecuted by a law from a foreign country. Neither is guilty of stealing from anyone but that is basically what they were both charged with.
Yes, it's exactly the same. Except that Dmitri was arrested on U.S. soil, in the act of breaking U.S. law. I do believe that it's a bad law, but it is a law just the same.
At one time it was legal for people of a certain skin color to take away all the rights of people of a different skin color. It was a bad law, but it was the law all the same.
sure, rms thinks it's great to sell things. who doesn't. but but but....anyone is free to distribute the code...in fact, even if i sell my software under the GNU license, i have to include the source code.
Yep, just as a book should include the words that are put together to make it a book, software should include the code that is put together to make it software.
"Whether a mark is sufficiently distinctive to be capable of being diluted is a similarly open-ended question, and a mark's position on the "spectrum" of distinctiveness will not be dispositive.81 Even well-known, inherently distinctive marks may be incapable of being diluted if there is extensive third-party use. Under this theory, Domino's Pizza, Inc., successfully argued that its mark DOMINO'S for pizza delivery services did not dilute Amstar's arbitrary and famous mark DOMINO for sugar.82"
Google turned up 6,190,000 matches for "Phoenix", btw.
It's not legal theft, but to the content owner, blocking software is a threat to the way they do business.
Perhaps the content owner should reconsider how they do business then. I've never really had a problem with banners or even tasetfully done inline ads, but pop-ups are just downright rude and worse even than telemarketers.
To not allow educational institutions to use propietary software on the grounds that they can't see the source is not only extremely short sighted in cutting off students from a wealth of useful software but exactly the kind of blind fanaticism that hurts the open source movement. Lying to yourself by ignoring the facts to perpetuate your point of view helps absolutely no one.
How useful is the software when the user needs a feature the product does not have? What happens when the company that makes it decides not to support it anymore or simply goes out of business? Not only does open source provide better educational opportunities for programming students it gives more freedom to non-computing majors as well because closed source survives only at the whim of the producer, not the needs of the user.
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Though Bochs and Vmware are great apps, the future lies with projects like Wine. Interoperability is the only way to increase competition and that is why MS should have been forced to open up at least it's API rather than be forced to include competitors programs like Java.
USians
Or "WEans" *
*"THE WEANS", by Robert Nathan
published by Random House, January, 1960, the Dodgers were a warring tribe
that migrated from the east coast to the west coast, probably because of
better hunting or simply because they were chased westward by a superior
tribe called Yankees, there was also a tribe of Giants in the same area, but
little is know about that tribe today... or, an elevator was used for
religious and spiritual ceremonies since the word elevator has something to
do with elevation and spirits.
I know what you mean. I tried to read an article today and found it impossible because of the danged ad flashing off to the side. Do you think my viewing their ads is worth more to them than my paying my monthly domain fee?
...just get out of the software business? Seriously, they must really be doing something wrong if laws that have worked for years for publishers of other types of works have managed to be profitable I can't imagine why they can't. Books have been copyable for over 50 years, and the "source" is even included with the product, yet they still manage to make money.
Speaking of books, anyone remember when software used to come with paper manuals? Now that was value!
Though I agree with you in principle, I think your analogy is a bit off. Forcing MS to distribute Sun's Java is akin to requiring NBC to broadcast another network's signal.
I've been compiling with 2.3.1 for almost 2 months now on my Gentoo system and the only real hitches I've had is with running code compiled against older versions.
I've bought a few of Mandrake's boxed sets in the last few years...7.0, 7.2, 8.1, and downloaded 9.0 with the intention of purchasing it as soon as I saw it on the shelves. Honestly, I've been more and more impressed with it with each release.
But I didn't want my money going to France, a country for which many of my forefathers shed their blood to keep free from tyranny, yet today is so anti-US that it supports terrorism over a fellow democracy.
It not only sucks from the employee's point of view, but also the general public's. People without health insurance will still get sick or injured, and when they do John Q is left with the tab.
Hmmm...three squares a day, free medical care, all the sex you can handle, all at the governments expense.
Too bad I'm too young to retire.
There are "Good Samitarian" laws in this side of the border too.
./configure [options]
make
make install
This allows users to update their systems without waiting for packages to become available and gives them the power to choose how the software will interact with the rest of the system. There also exist nice wrappers that automate the process such as Gentoo's emerge that automate and hopefully soon Debian's apt-build.
ok, i use a radeon VE - no version of linux will even boot with it
My Radeon VE is the Dual Display Edition with 64mb SDR, TV-out, and DVI. Everything but the TV-out works fine in both the console frame-buffer and X. Mandrake, Redhat, and even Debian configured automatically for it, with Gentoo I had to compile support for the radeon in my kernel. Maybe I'm just lucky and it was all a fluke that everything worked flawlessly for me.
but i NEED windows for certain stuff...
I certainly can understand if you need Windows for a solution that Wine, Winex, or Codeweavers can't provide. I only use my box for development, surfing, creating graphics, sound editing, watching movies and listening to music, creating databases and other mundane stuff.
I don't think you're being rude at all. The cage is the world to a captive lion too.
What was the last version you installed, 3.1?
Nope '98. Needed drivers for my video card, wheel mouse, nic, dsl modem, and onboard sound chip...all of which were configured flawlessly without reboots during routine Mandrake and Redhat installs.
Personally I perfer FreeBSD to both, but that is more work at install than both (;
Gentoo for me now. BSD like portage and Linux drivers, the best of all possible worlds B-)
Didn't all millions of Linux users figure out they couldn't play DVD movies before they bought them?
Some waited to buy them until they could. The MPAA should be paying royalties to the authors of DeCSS for increasing the sales of their DVDs.
The tenets of basic economics are hurting the legitmate consumers every time someone steals DVDs.
Isn't another tenet of economics is to allow your customers to actually use the product you sell? If it weren't for DeCss open source users would have no reason to purchase DVDs.
Wow. Are you wrong. First off, the price of an OS + office suite is not zero. The price of a complicated, difficult to install, esoteric, very difficult to learn OS & office suite is zero. The price of an OS that works OUT OF THE BOX is several hundred dollars...
When was the last time you installed Linux? Mandrake and Redhat, and even Debian to a certain extent do work right "OUT OF THE BOX". The installs for the first two are far easier than Windows since you can just stick in a CD, pick your install option and have a system up and running in much less than an hour without having to juggle driver floppies and reboot after each disk.
What if independent authors can't afford the copyright tax?
People who aren't willing to risk fifty bucks on a bad read just may find they like the author when they can read his work for free in the public domain increasing his chances for success on his subsequent works.
I never said the law was correct
True, you didn't say it was correct. But what you did say was that because it is a law it should be prosecuted no matter how bad a law it is. Jon is being prosecuted under a law in his own country while Dmitry was being prosecuted by a law from a foreign country. Neither is guilty of stealing from anyone but that is basically what they were both charged with.
Yes, it's exactly the same. Except that Dmitri was arrested on U.S. soil, in the act of breaking U.S. law. I do believe that it's a bad law, but it is a law just the same.
At one time it was legal for people of a certain skin color to take away all the rights of people of a different skin color. It was a bad law, but it was the law all the same.
sure, rms thinks it's great to sell things. who doesn't. but but but....anyone is free to distribute the code...in fact, even if i sell my software under the GNU license, i have to include the source code.
Yep, just as a book should include the words that are put together to make it a book, software should include the code that is put together to make it software.
Every one of their links gave me this error:
"%1 is not a valid Win32 application"
I guess they don't think they suck that much, eh?
How's this for a precedent:
"Whether a mark is sufficiently distinctive to be capable of being diluted is a similarly open-ended question, and a mark's position on the "spectrum" of distinctiveness will not be dispositive.81 Even well-known, inherently distinctive marks may be incapable of being diluted if there is extensive third-party use. Under this theory, Domino's Pizza, Inc., successfully argued that its mark DOMINO'S for pizza delivery services did not dilute Amstar's arbitrary and famous mark DOMINO for sugar.82"
Google turned up 6,190,000 matches for "Phoenix", btw.
Corporations do exist, will continue to exist, and do so for the betterment of everyone
Didn't Czar Nicholas say something along that very line about aristocracies nearly a hundred years ago?
It's not legal theft, but to the content owner, blocking software is a threat to the way they do business.
Perhaps the content owner should reconsider how they do business then. I've never really had a problem with banners or even tasetfully done inline ads, but pop-ups are just downright rude and worse even than telemarketers.
To not allow educational institutions to use propietary software on the grounds that they can't see the source is not only extremely short sighted in cutting off students from a wealth of useful software but exactly the kind of blind fanaticism that hurts the open source movement. Lying to yourself by ignoring the facts to perpetuate your point of view helps absolutely no one.
How useful is the software when the user needs a feature the product does not have? What happens when the company that makes it decides not to support it anymore or simply goes out of business? Not only does open source provide better educational opportunities for programming students it gives more freedom to non-computing majors as well because closed source survives only at the whim of the producer, not the needs of the user.