Or C, the successful black employer? Or D, the single, fat, white man sitting at home with his wife who is pregnant with their fifth child waiting for the next welfare cheque? Or E, the successful black politician who was popular enough to be elected as the leader of the most powerful nation on earth (with the backing of most of the international community) and is trying to clear up the mess left by his white predecessor who had to cheat his way into power.
Anyone besides me ever wonder why Sony sells blank CDs and DVDs, then complains about infringement?
They complained about infringement, then realised it wasn't going to go away, then realised they could at least profit off of it if they sold blanks. Seems logical to me.
Improving logic skills would be excellent, but until there is proven absolute truth (currently only possible in maths), all logic can show is that you are validly uncertain.
When I stated "I believe in God because science has PROVEN to repeatedly fail", it doesn't mean I give up on science or that it is the reason to believe in God.
Then "because" was probably not the right word to use there.
Then you are automatically throwing out a whole branch of knowledge.
Then you misunderstand the meaning of the word Atheist. It doesn't mean I automatically reject information purely because it is related to religion. I just don't believe that god exists. I don't give scientists or religionists a free-pass - I request proof. So far I have not been given proof of the existence of god. Therefore I don't believe in his existence. My belief could change if given new evidence.
"Science has also repeatedly been proven RIGHT. Hence me sending you this message to you right now. Go science!" And God gave you fingers and a brain that allowed the message. Go God! Sorry, couldn't withhold the irony.
No, that was evolution. As proven by science! Go science!
"But until I see some evidence that a certain god exists I will keep filling the blanks with "unknown - to be explained later" Until I see all the theories and laws proven correct I will fill in the blanks with "God will reveal it in His own time"
Suit yourself. Same thing, only yours has a name and a lot of baggage.
"Sins which WE created" is the words your looking for.
Well, maybe. But if that's the case then it's the sins which he, in his infinite wisdom and with his infinite power allowed us to create. After all, he created us in his own image, with the ability to sin. If he didn't want us to he could/would have made us differently. You're right, I confess my ignorance of the intricacies of the christian religion.
"I won't bore you with details in which you have no interest."
If I had no interest I wouldn't have spent so long replying to you.
Anyway, back to the original point, which was your claim that the burden of proof lies on the atheist. You say you believe in god because science has repeatedly been proven wrong. How is this logical?
It's also worth noting that due to the much smaller population those numbers are (in terms of percentage of the total population) much much bigger than they appear to us now.
So the OP is stating (and I agree), how can you disprove God when there is some evidence (why are we here, incredible complexities, irreducible complexity, etc).
And the parent to your comment was pointing out that you have this part backwards. Since it is impossible to prove a negative (the non-existence of god) the onus should be on the theists to prove the existence of their deity of choice. Personally I believe in the invisible, silent, undetectable Rhino that is always behind my left shoulder. I have yet to find any proof of his non-existence.
And I guarantee you that people in 100 years will look back at some of our quaint and downright stupid "laws" and "theories" much like we look back 100 years and think "how could those guys believe that?"
True, but they'll also look back and say "Wow, how could those guys [who it must be said believed some crap] also be so intelligent as to figure out how to make electricity work, put people on the moon, combat a huge number of diseases etc etc."
religion has incorrect theories past and present, and science has incorrect theories past and present, therefore I need to keep an open mind and keep searching for the truth and not latch on to some so called "expert" of the day.
And that means you should believe in god, why? Sure, keep an open mind. If new evidence appears that challenges your beliefs then rethink your beliefs. THIS IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS. What evidence is there for the existence of god?
Ignorant theories like "dark matter" and "dark energy" are akin to "ether" and certainly sound silly when compared to theology. I see many people (thousands) wasting their lives and time chasing such theories (like ether and others).
Hmmm...lets try paraphrasing that and see what happens:
"Ignorant theories like "God" are akin to "fairies" or "vampires" and certainly sound silly when compared to, say, gravity. I see many people (thousands) wasting their lives and time chasing such theories (like god and jesus)."
At least theology has been shown to be beneficial to health in multiple studies (like marriage, eating healthy, etc.) and waste your life less than crackpot scientific theories.
Well, I guess you might be right there. But the phrase "ignorance is bliss" is also appropriate. Statistics show that atheists are more likely to have a higher level of intelligence but also are more likely to be depressed.
I believe in God because science has PROVEN to repeatedly fail.
Science has also repeatedly been proven RIGHT. Hence me sending you this message to you right now. Go science!
There certainly has been a lot of crap expounded as religion and God throughout history too, but, like science, it is proven wrong and most people move on.
How come you feel this way about religion but because science has been proven "WRONG" repeatedly you believe in god?
I saw him claiming to once be an atheist and with time has decided that it doesn't make as much sense since we ALL have incomplete knowledge.
Why fill the gaps with god? I'm an atheist (you might have guessed) and I agree that we don't have complete knowledge. But until I see some evidence that a certain god exists (Yaweh, Allah, Thor, Ra, Steve Jobs, whoever...) I will keep filling the blanks with "unknown - to be explained later", not jump straight to "omnipresent, bearded deity who personally created all of existence and life then created his son from himself so that he could die to save us from the sins which he created [etc]".
We live in the noise in both religion and science and the OP and I refuse to fully believe either.
Well, maybe you and I aren't so different after all... I just think that science has one major bonus: it encourages testing and re-evaluating.
His point was that that the default settings are harsh. Sure, you can customise it if you want. In the same way that you can replace the default installation of IE with Firefox/Chrome...
Being able to cite song lyrics as precedent would make legal proceedings a whole lot more interesting.
"I would like to cite De La Rocha/Rage Against The Machine, 01.02.03:25: "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me".
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What about auditioning fonts? I'd rather do that with the scroll wheel than any other method I've tried, keyboard-based or not.
You can do this with the scroll wheel. You need to click the text of the font name rather than just hovering over it, but you can scroll-wheel through fonts.
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Or C, the successful black employer?
Or D, the single, fat, white man sitting at home with his wife who is pregnant with their fifth child waiting for the next welfare cheque?
Or E, the successful black politician who was popular enough to be elected as the leader of the most powerful nation on earth (with the backing of most of the international community) and is trying to clear up the mess left by his white predecessor who had to cheat his way into power.
Fuck you and your racism.
Really? Since when? I thought most people here complained about it being the proprietary PITA that it is.
It makes sense as long as that first thought is "as long as I don't have to use PayPal".
If you had access to the router why didn't you just but a ban on your wife's laptop to prevent it from being able to join?
My favourites are "Error" or "Corrupted Node: Do Not Use".
Anyone besides me ever wonder why Sony sells blank CDs and DVDs, then complains about infringement?
They complained about infringement, then realised it wasn't going to go away, then realised they could at least profit off of it if they sold blanks. Seems logical to me.
Have you ever been addicted to cocaine?
Improving logic skills would be excellent, but until there is proven absolute truth (currently only possible in maths), all logic can show is that you are validly uncertain.
Well that'd be a start...
I'd rather use Linux than what Microsoft secreted.
did they rush through without enjoying the artwork and thinking critically about every situation as much as was allowed?
It was a review...so yes, probably.
Wasn't it that Dr Who was recorded over the top of NASA footage?
He seems to take it seriously.
Probably a gamma nazi...
When I stated "I believe in God because science has PROVEN to repeatedly fail", it doesn't mean I give up on science or that it is the reason to believe in God.
Then "because" was probably not the right word to use there.
Then you are automatically throwing out a whole branch of knowledge.
Then you misunderstand the meaning of the word Atheist. It doesn't mean I automatically reject information purely because it is related to religion. I just don't believe that god exists. I don't give scientists or religionists a free-pass - I request proof. So far I have not been given proof of the existence of god. Therefore I don't believe in his existence. My belief could change if given new evidence.
Glad to see I'm not losing my edge!
No, God hates people that go into metal bars - they're usually hell's angels...
"Science has also repeatedly been proven RIGHT. Hence me sending you this message to you right now. Go science!"
And God gave you fingers and a brain that allowed the message. Go God! Sorry, couldn't withhold the irony.
No, that was evolution. As proven by science! Go science!
"But until I see some evidence that a certain god exists I will keep filling the blanks with "unknown - to be explained later"
Until I see all the theories and laws proven correct I will fill in the blanks with "God will reveal it in His own time"
Suit yourself. Same thing, only yours has a name and a lot of baggage.
"Sins which WE created" is the words your looking for.
Well, maybe. But if that's the case then it's the sins which he, in his infinite wisdom and with his infinite power allowed us to create. After all, he created us in his own image, with the ability to sin. If he didn't want us to he could/would have made us differently. You're right, I confess my ignorance of the intricacies of the christian religion.
"I won't bore you with details in which you have no interest."
If I had no interest I wouldn't have spent so long replying to you.
Anyway, back to the original point, which was your claim that the burden of proof lies on the atheist. You say you believe in god because science has repeatedly been proven wrong. How is this logical?
Except that you end up killing other people rather than wanting to kill yourself.
It's also worth noting that due to the much smaller population those numbers are (in terms of percentage of the total population) much much bigger than they appear to us now.
In addition to logic and reason, we'll also need an unprejudiced mind.
...and ProTools...
So the OP is stating (and I agree), how can you disprove God when there is some evidence (why are we here, incredible complexities, irreducible complexity, etc).
And the parent to your comment was pointing out that you have this part backwards. Since it is impossible to prove a negative (the non-existence of god) the onus should be on the theists to prove the existence of their deity of choice. Personally I believe in the invisible, silent, undetectable Rhino that is always behind my left shoulder. I have yet to find any proof of his non-existence.
And I guarantee you that people in 100 years will look back at some of our quaint and downright stupid "laws" and "theories" much like we look back 100 years and think "how could those guys believe that?"
True, but they'll also look back and say "Wow, how could those guys [who it must be said believed some crap] also be so intelligent as to figure out how to make electricity work, put people on the moon, combat a huge number of diseases etc etc."
religion has incorrect theories past and present, and science has incorrect theories past and present, therefore I need to keep an open mind and keep searching for the truth and not latch on to some so called "expert" of the day.
And that means you should believe in god, why? Sure, keep an open mind. If new evidence appears that challenges your beliefs then rethink your beliefs. THIS IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS. What evidence is there for the existence of god?
Ignorant theories like "dark matter" and "dark energy" are akin to "ether" and certainly sound silly when compared to theology. I see many people (thousands) wasting their lives and time chasing such theories (like ether and others).
Hmmm...lets try paraphrasing that and see what happens:
"Ignorant theories like "God" are akin to "fairies" or "vampires" and certainly sound silly when compared to, say, gravity. I see many people (thousands) wasting their lives and time chasing such theories (like god and jesus)."
At least theology has been shown to be beneficial to health in multiple studies (like marriage, eating healthy, etc.) and waste your life less than crackpot scientific theories.
Well, I guess you might be right there. But the phrase "ignorance is bliss" is also appropriate. Statistics show that atheists are more likely to have a higher level of intelligence but also are more likely to be depressed.
I believe in God because science has PROVEN to repeatedly fail.
Science has also repeatedly been proven RIGHT. Hence me sending you this message to you right now. Go science!
There certainly has been a lot of crap expounded as religion and God throughout history too, but, like science, it is proven wrong and most people move on.
How come you feel this way about religion but because science has been proven "WRONG" repeatedly you believe in god?
I saw him claiming to once be an atheist and with time has decided that it doesn't make as much sense since we ALL have incomplete knowledge.
Why fill the gaps with god? I'm an atheist (you might have guessed) and I agree that we don't have complete knowledge. But until I see some evidence that a certain god exists (Yaweh, Allah, Thor, Ra, Steve Jobs, whoever...) I will keep filling the blanks with "unknown - to be explained later", not jump straight to "omnipresent, bearded deity who personally created all of existence and life then created his son from himself so that he could die to save us from the sins which he created [etc]".
We live in the noise in both religion and science and the OP and I refuse to fully believe either.
Well, maybe you and I aren't so different after all... I just think that science has one major bonus: it encourages testing and re-evaluating.
His point was that that the default settings are harsh. Sure, you can customise it if you want. In the same way that you can replace the default installation of IE with Firefox/Chrome...
Being able to cite song lyrics as precedent would make legal proceedings a whole lot more interesting.
"I would like to cite De La Rocha/Rage Against The Machine, 01.02.03:25: "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me".
What about auditioning fonts? I'd rather do that with the scroll wheel than any other method I've tried, keyboard-based or not.
You can do this with the scroll wheel. You need to click the text of the font name rather than just hovering over it, but you can scroll-wheel through fonts.
You should hurry before your late.
Late as in "the late Anonymous Coward"?
That's all well and good for you Yanks but can you convert that into Double-Decker-Buses for use Limeys?