now and then we read articles about new researches that unveil animals behaviour under a more and more humanzied way, we read about their social bonds, new skills, unforseen communication abilities, higher empathy levels, recently, deliberate use of drugs(plants) for 'recreational' purposes. But yet we fail in considering breeding a cow just to shortly after shot a nail in their brain and devour it , as an abomination. We should spend billions (and maybe it's not needed a so great amount) into modifing vegetables so they
taste and feel like chicken , and I dont care if it's not 100% the same, we have brains , we can choose. For those of you who think slaughterhouses are nice places and everyone there is playing the good boy, I advice you to google for it.. and watch some videos, if you are worthy living being you will at least agree that the less we kill and eat our fellow animals, the better..
as for the insects, as they usually lack a central brain and their neural system is so relatively simple, I would advise to use them as a transitory solution...
Too bad that forecast for just afghanistan war is over 70 billion. Not to talk Iraq one. Make damn starships not war.
Same for the LHC and alike, it's only 5-10 billion compared to hundreds for official military stuffs... set aside black projects (2.3 trillions).
We stay on our little mudball destroying resources for making mass destruction systems. Very smart. Maybe we all deserve annihilation.
These so called scientists should stop watching terminator movies. This is typical American post-Quaker vision.... we do _control_ machines. Any type of machine. You put hardwired bounds , as simple as that.
We will never do (in the next centuries) a machine that is so smart to think it needs to be 'free' (and so maybe it's not completely wrong) and therefore goes to a friend welder robot and put a railgun on its back.
On the other hand, if the first scope of robots will be war machines, then some trouble could arise. This is also typical american... not build robot to help the people, too easy.. let's build an indestructible AI tank with nuclear warheads... smart idea really.
We should build space-exploitation/exploration robots. Build a fleet that goes to the moon and after few decades we'll go there and find fully working metal refinery and nice pre-built habitat-domes.
But again.. we need to kill each other(and the terrorists!!) first... maybe we deserve robots to subdue us after all. We are dumb.
Rigged and working, more or less same wooden strucuture as the one in the article... plus some inside weights and plumbings/electric rig..
italian engineering on japanese test lab... too bad they didn't use these when earthquake struck...
(www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q_ytmwyzY )
oh please...do you seriously still believe all this terrorism bs?? soviet russia has fallen and now they need a new enemy...plain and simple. All this makes trillions of dollars move... and that's enough for many to lie and deceive unfortunately. The point after which ppl should start to rebel is passed since quite a while imho, what else do you need? a fully functional precrime dept? no thanks..
or the amount of comments about this story it scarily low?? this is seriously disturbing ppl...
you are being wiretrapped all the way warrantless like sheeps.. and you dont move a finger?
that's really twisted imho.
Remeber what good old Ben Franklin said about security and freedom....
We must be one of the most stupid type of 'thinking' alien specie tho... the one that lives
in the same mudball and can't communicate because we don't even speak the same language (think of the embarrassment at the galaxy council)...
and we fight our own specie's immaginary enemies....and even more we witch-hunt within the same faction...
This is just plain dumb.
Human beings should start to behave....
Putting everyone in the same mix is not fair imho. There are 'conspiracy' ppl out there, and they will find all possible tricks to keep on believing everything is fake or whatever. BUT there are also some perfectly normal and rational ppl who have some serious doubts about the first landing.
There are some totally undeniable 'flaws' in those pictures, ok nasa said they doctored those, fine then they show us the originals, pretty simple, I think it's a shame if they really have been there in the first flight to have citizens doubt that. Just show those ugly originals, not matter what.
But hearing a nasa researcher say that with nowadays technology it will take about 20 years of r&d to put someone on the moon... well...that stinks.
They lost most of contractors projects... schemes...everything... that's a nice scientific way of conducting a mission/experiment... not.
Anyway, I hope they will provide some CLEAR pictures for the landing site...to shut up all the crackpot. If they don't then it's time for the citizens to inquiry officially into this.
They were totally completely superior! moreover they left their best jew and alike brains go abroad, imagine if they kept those.
As someone said, compare this to what other flew at the time... I can clearly see where B2 comes from....
And not to forget what V1/V2 were if compared to other airplane dumb-bombs... V2 impacted at supersonic speed thousands of miles away. And no satellites nor computers... (well until they find the Reich satellites orbit eh).
That's an example of what a really determined nation can do, and all humanity could do (in the right direction of course).
If only we would stop throwing sticks at each other... by now we could have been colonizing the inner solar system....no kidding.
cheers
mrn
lighting up your favorite monument at night is just a waste... ok it makes for nice tourists pics... but thats about it. At most we could setup couple of nights per months when to keep lights on, for touristic reasons. for the rest... it's pretty useless. Seeing the milky way, and not only that , is something that could inspire us, remind us that there's not only this polluted world we're killing, and that we should preserve all this as long as possible for others to see...maybe the next step in civilization is when one manages to sustain its own env. or not.... maybe it's what makes warp drive space colonization vs religious nut oil megacorp driving all in the abyss.
just use/build nuclear hydrolysis plant to make gas from seawater, no big deal compared to the benefits. to me it seems much more realistic idea compared to wire-based space elevator...
The guy method DID confirm other earthquakes in the past , (2001, Turkey one, 2002 another italian one etc. read the full history in italian) his method based on radon detections does give a quite good approximation, given that he did it as a personal side project etc. I do say that one week is very good approx. You can put major critical activities on hold for couple of weeks, the game will surely worth the candle. Italy needs to be forced into legality by EU. For its own good.
this is madness....
damn...world is going towards a very deep abyss....
but everyone with these crazy morals and fucked up ethics will be the first to have their twisted head chopped in the next huge civil war...
how can a pic of myself, no matter what age, taken by myself and 'used' by myself be of ANY concern to the law??
Police State, that's the answer.
I do not understand how someone in the 21st century would still feel the urge to CENSOR anything, again. We have not learned from our past , not a thing, if we are still debating such basic issues.
Freedom of speech and thought is something that should not be never ever menaced. But since the governments are still so much into the deep mud of religious influences and other anti-human believes, I propose that the Internet should be split in two trunks, one for the government usage, that allows completely official comunication and information between citizen and the state.
And another, which is the 'normal' internet, which would be only for 18+ yrs old citizens and has no censoring whatsoever. Granted, it is a compromise , but it's maybe the less problematic one.
Religions are the relics of a world in which absolute military power and violence was the daily routine. We should get rid of them. And this comes by a correct education.
my2c
mrn
All this worrying is SO silly. There are no black holes, it's just a theoretical construct to explain some observed phenomena, we have no proof that such objects even exists (in the form we hypothise).
Now assuming that we can possibly create one in a small(by cosmo-scale) lab on Earth is more on the comical side than anything else. Stop this folly and move on to more experiments.
cheers
mrn
This is becoming a truly scary society.
This is the beginning of the end of 'freedom' as our fathers thought and fought for.
Let me tell you an example of what will be next in few years.
You won't be allowed to cook your food at home, you know why? because you are not able to cook properly, you are not a trained chef, you could hurt your health and make taxpayers pay for your future disease due to extra fat or whatever you like to cook. This can be very real. You will only have state delivered and packaged meals.
And I tell you one thing, I am ready to fight to death against this transformation.
mrn
To me this is a clear result of the topic picked itself, as all the 'e-commerce'.. and commerce in general , is just vapor... smelly ideas to support the wealth of few, so it's not uncommon that a totally fake (you could easily spot it from the abstract...- polygen anyone?)
and meaningless text is a perfectly good 'biz talk' for these 'experts'. Humanity should move ahead....
Hi all ,
just want to tell my experience in FRANCE... well internet is damn blocked/censored.
usually not on ethical topics or such(but who knows), but more on the commercial side of things...
try go any corporate website outside France... it's unable to connect/timeout all the time...
but when you switch to.fr version it magically works... (ebay for example....totally unusable)
it looks like some form of protectionism...but who knows the extent of the censoring....
Information internet should be detached and uncontrolled from the the 'services' internet, this
way our governments wont lay their filthy hands on it.
my2cnts
mrn
It is obvious that many of you doesn't take into consideration that most efficient and easy way to collapse a steel structure is to use thermite 'explosive', which doesnt explode at all, in fact thermite generate an extremely powerful exothermic reaction, that can reach temperatures in excess of 2500-3000degrees Celsius. So there is no need to hear any loud bang at all. In addiction thermite is composed of very easily produceable and transportable materials, ferrous oxide (rust+-) plus aluminium powder, which in fact can be carried inside a building without any concerns about security checks and can be installed around main structures without big problems by a team of post-delivery service boys in few weeks-months. Thermite cannot be stopped in any way once the reaction is started , no water , no lack of oxygen, no anything almost. Even a very rough placement of the charges will produce a high destructive flow of molten steel that will weaked/melt any other steel-made parts it comes in contact with. What strikes me more yet is the totally symmetrical way all the buildings collapsed... this is totally unlikely to me.. I would expect the top tower bend in the way the airplane damaged the structure and eventually fall off... but not almost perfect vertical collapse. And the highly thermical hotspots that were present in the ruins for so long time really reminds of active thermite reactions... When there are trillions on dollars in the equation black can turn white and viceversa...really.... cheers mrn
I agree....and also I find all this arguments kinda arrogant, we think in our 100yrs old 'tech' we can tame and create one of the most powerful force/object in nature(that we 'speculate' to exist in the form we think it should be), with a few Km size particle accelerator... that's just bs... but hey , ppl DO see fox news...hmph
Ppl should really stop this crazy insane waste of time and resources into this kind of argumentations.
We have much more important stuff to care about, we are turning the world into a police state and none seems to care. They just care
about 'man made black hole' just the idea is a nosense, did they ever realized we have never seen this type of object in any
less than thousands(1600 if confirmed) light-years distance? we have no clue about these objects functioning in reality, not to mention the idea that might
be existing tiny scale version of black hole, that's just a totally unproven theory. What a waste... take a look about things that matters plz..
my2cnts
That's why modern ppl are 99% dumb amoebas watching american idol or such trash tv shows. We're doomed to extinction if we don't stimulate the growth of genuine creativity and curiosity towards science and nature. The Greeks knew it well, and today we still admire and study their writings... I hope it's not too late to invert all the wrong stuffs we're doing, from environment destruction, to poor energetic choices (see new german power-regulators using env-friendly energies... working and clean!) and most important, destroy all religion-hate-war-sellweapons market in that order possibly...
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now and then we read articles about new researches that unveil animals behaviour under a more and more humanzied way, we read about their social bonds, new skills, unforseen communication abilities, higher empathy levels, recently, deliberate use of drugs(plants) for 'recreational' purposes. But yet we fail in considering breeding a cow just to shortly after shot a nail in their brain and devour it , as an abomination. We should spend billions (and maybe it's not needed a so great amount) into modifing vegetables so they taste and feel like chicken , and I dont care if it's not 100% the same, we have brains , we can choose. For those of you who think slaughterhouses are nice places and everyone there is playing the good boy, I advice you to google for it.. and watch some videos, if you are worthy living being you will at least agree that the less we kill and eat our fellow animals, the better.. as for the insects, as they usually lack a central brain and their neural system is so relatively simple, I would advise to use them as a transitory solution...
Too bad that forecast for just afghanistan war is over 70 billion. Not to talk Iraq one. Make damn starships not war. Same for the LHC and alike, it's only 5-10 billion compared to hundreds for official military stuffs... set aside black projects (2.3 trillions). We stay on our little mudball destroying resources for making mass destruction systems. Very smart. Maybe we all deserve annihilation.
These so called scientists should stop watching terminator movies. This is typical American post-Quaker vision.... we do _control_ machines. Any type of machine. You put hardwired bounds , as simple as that. We will never do (in the next centuries) a machine that is so smart to think it needs to be 'free' (and so maybe it's not completely wrong) and therefore goes to a friend welder robot and put a railgun on its back. On the other hand, if the first scope of robots will be war machines, then some trouble could arise. This is also typical american... not build robot to help the people, too easy.. let's build an indestructible AI tank with nuclear warheads... smart idea really. We should build space-exploitation/exploration robots. Build a fleet that goes to the moon and after few decades we'll go there and find fully working metal refinery and nice pre-built habitat-domes. But again.. we need to kill each other(and the terrorists!!) first... maybe we deserve robots to subdue us after all. We are dumb.
Rigged and working, more or less same wooden strucuture as the one in the article... plus some inside weights and plumbings/electric rig.. italian engineering on japanese test lab... too bad they didn't use these when earthquake struck... (www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q_ytmwyzY )
oh please...do you seriously still believe all this terrorism bs?? soviet russia has fallen and now they need a new enemy...plain and simple. All this makes trillions of dollars move... and that's enough for many to lie and deceive unfortunately. The point after which ppl should start to rebel is passed since quite a while imho, what else do you need? a fully functional precrime dept? no thanks..
or the amount of comments about this story it scarily low?? this is seriously disturbing ppl... you are being wiretrapped all the way warrantless like sheeps.. and you dont move a finger? that's really twisted imho. Remeber what good old Ben Franklin said about security and freedom.... We must be one of the most stupid type of 'thinking' alien specie tho... the one that lives in the same mudball and can't communicate because we don't even speak the same language (think of the embarrassment at the galaxy council)... and we fight our own specie's immaginary enemies....and even more we witch-hunt within the same faction... This is just plain dumb. Human beings should start to behave....
Putting everyone in the same mix is not fair imho. There are 'conspiracy' ppl out there, and they will find all possible tricks to keep on believing everything is fake or whatever. BUT there are also some perfectly normal and rational ppl who have some serious doubts about the first landing. There are some totally undeniable 'flaws' in those pictures, ok nasa said they doctored those, fine then they show us the originals, pretty simple, I think it's a shame if they really have been there in the first flight to have citizens doubt that. Just show those ugly originals, not matter what. But hearing a nasa researcher say that with nowadays technology it will take about 20 years of r&d to put someone on the moon... well ...that stinks.
They lost most of contractors projects... schemes...everything... that's a nice scientific way of conducting a mission/experiment... not.
Anyway, I hope they will provide some CLEAR pictures for the landing site...to shut up all the crackpot. If they don't then it's time for the citizens to inquiry officially into this.
They were totally completely superior! moreover they left their best jew and alike brains go abroad, imagine if they kept those. As someone said, compare this to what other flew at the time... I can clearly see where B2 comes from.... And not to forget what V1/V2 were if compared to other airplane dumb-bombs... V2 impacted at supersonic speed thousands of miles away. And no satellites nor computers... (well until they find the Reich satellites orbit eh). That's an example of what a really determined nation can do, and all humanity could do (in the right direction of course). If only we would stop throwing sticks at each other... by now we could have been colonizing the inner solar system....no kidding. cheers mrn
lighting up your favorite monument at night is just a waste... ok it makes for nice tourists pics... but thats about it. At most we could setup couple of nights per months when to keep lights on, for touristic reasons. for the rest... it's pretty useless. Seeing the milky way, and not only that , is something that could inspire us, remind us that there's not only this polluted world we're killing, and that we should preserve all this as long as possible for others to see...maybe the next step in civilization is when one manages to sustain its own env. or not.... maybe it's what makes warp drive space colonization vs religious nut oil megacorp driving all in the abyss.
just use/build nuclear hydrolysis plant to make gas from seawater, no big deal compared to the benefits. to me it seems much more realistic idea compared to wire-based space elevator...
there is vacuum on the other side:P no prob!
fuck AQ, fuck all the bullshit pumped through our fucked up media to sell weapons and fear enslaving ppl. wake up.
The guy method DID confirm other earthquakes in the past , (2001, Turkey one, 2002 another italian one etc. read the full history in italian) his method based on radon detections does give a quite good approximation, given that he did it as a personal side project etc. I do say that one week is very good approx. You can put major critical activities on hold for couple of weeks, the game will surely worth the candle. Italy needs to be forced into legality by EU. For its own good.
this is madness.... damn...world is going towards a very deep abyss.... but everyone with these crazy morals and fucked up ethics will be the first to have their twisted head chopped in the next huge civil war... how can a pic of myself, no matter what age, taken by myself and 'used' by myself be of ANY concern to the law?? Police State, that's the answer.
I do not understand how someone in the 21st century would still feel the urge to CENSOR anything, again. We have not learned from our past , not a thing, if we are still debating such basic issues. Freedom of speech and thought is something that should not be never ever menaced. But since the governments are still so much into the deep mud of religious influences and other anti-human believes, I propose that the Internet should be split in two trunks, one for the government usage, that allows completely official comunication and information between citizen and the state. And another, which is the 'normal' internet, which would be only for 18+ yrs old citizens and has no censoring whatsoever. Granted, it is a compromise , but it's maybe the less problematic one. Religions are the relics of a world in which absolute military power and violence was the daily routine. We should get rid of them. And this comes by a correct education. my2c mrn
All this worrying is SO silly. There are no black holes, it's just a theoretical construct to explain some observed phenomena, we have no proof that such objects even exists (in the form we hypothise). Now assuming that we can possibly create one in a small(by cosmo-scale) lab on Earth is more on the comical side than anything else. Stop this folly and move on to more experiments. cheers mrn
This is becoming a truly scary society. This is the beginning of the end of 'freedom' as our fathers thought and fought for. Let me tell you an example of what will be next in few years. You won't be allowed to cook your food at home, you know why? because you are not able to cook properly, you are not a trained chef, you could hurt your health and make taxpayers pay for your future disease due to extra fat or whatever you like to cook. This can be very real. You will only have state delivered and packaged meals. And I tell you one thing, I am ready to fight to death against this transformation. mrn
To me this is a clear result of the topic picked itself, as all the 'e-commerce'.. and commerce in general , is just vapor... smelly ideas to support the wealth of few, so it's not uncommon that a totally fake (you could easily spot it from the abstract...- polygen anyone?) and meaningless text is a perfectly good 'biz talk' for these 'experts'. Humanity should move ahead....
Hi all , just want to tell my experience in FRANCE... well internet is damn blocked/censored. usually not on ethical topics or such(but who knows), but more on the commercial side of things... try go any corporate website outside France... it's unable to connect/timeout all the time... but when you switch to .fr version it magically works... (ebay for example....totally unusable)
it looks like some form of protectionism...but who knows the extent of the censoring....
Information internet should be detached and uncontrolled from the the 'services' internet, this
way our governments wont lay their filthy hands on it.
my2cnts
mrn
It is obvious that many of you doesn't take into consideration that most efficient and easy way to collapse a steel structure is to use thermite 'explosive', which doesnt explode at all, in fact thermite generate an extremely powerful exothermic reaction, that can reach temperatures in excess of 2500-3000degrees Celsius. So there is no need to hear any loud bang at all. In addiction thermite is composed of very easily produceable and transportable materials, ferrous oxide (rust+-) plus aluminium powder, which in fact can be carried inside a building without any concerns about security checks and can be installed around main structures without big problems by a team of post-delivery service boys in few weeks-months. Thermite cannot be stopped in any way once the reaction is started , no water , no lack of oxygen, no anything almost. Even a very rough placement of the charges will produce a high destructive flow of molten steel that will weaked/melt any other steel-made parts it comes in contact with. What strikes me more yet is the totally symmetrical way all the buildings collapsed... this is totally unlikely to me.. I would expect the top tower bend in the way the airplane damaged the structure and eventually fall off... but not almost perfect vertical collapse. And the highly thermical hotspots that were present in the ruins for so long time really reminds of active thermite reactions... When there are trillions on dollars in the equation black can turn white and viceversa...really.... cheers mrn
I agree....and also I find all this arguments kinda arrogant, we think in our 100yrs old 'tech' we can tame and create one of the most powerful force/object in nature(that we 'speculate' to exist in the form we think it should be), with a few Km size particle accelerator... that's just bs... but hey , ppl DO see fox news...hmph
Ppl should really stop this crazy insane waste of time and resources into this kind of argumentations. We have much more important stuff to care about, we are turning the world into a police state and none seems to care. They just care about 'man made black hole' just the idea is a nosense, did they ever realized we have never seen this type of object in any less than thousands(1600 if confirmed) light-years distance? we have no clue about these objects functioning in reality, not to mention the idea that might be existing tiny scale version of black hole, that's just a totally unproven theory. What a waste... take a look about things that matters plz.. my2cnts
That's why modern ppl are 99% dumb amoebas watching american idol or such trash tv shows.
We're doomed to extinction if we don't stimulate the growth of genuine creativity and curiosity towards science and nature. The Greeks knew it well, and today we still admire and study their writings...
I hope it's not too late to invert all the wrong stuffs we're doing, from environment destruction, to poor energetic choices (see new german power-regulators using env-friendly energies... working and clean!) and most important, destroy all religion-hate-war-sellweapons market in that order possibly...
cheers
v