Marc Andreeeeesssseeneen (sp?) is irrelevant to the "browser wars" debate of 2002. He even says so in the interview: first, he cannot speak badly of Microsoft because Loudcloud (which, like WAP and the "wap" sound it makes tossed into the trash, is named for it's failure: big cloud, lots of noise, but no rain) depends of MS. Second, while he did have relevance 3 to 5 years ago to the "browser war" debate, he's clear disinterested now -- case in point: he has no idea what Opera is, whether it's Open Source, Free, free, etc. He's not paying attention to the browser issue. Third, he's completely out of the loop at AOL and, while he can share interesting historical ancedotes, has no idea what is motivating the company today.
Lastly, it is in his best interest to believe and promote that Microsoft is impossible to fight against becuase he did and lost. If he were to allow himself to believe it is possible to win against Microsoft, he'd have to admit he's a failure. Just like the Spurs rooting for the Lakers to win--if the Lakers are unbeatable, it makes them feel better for losing. Imagine how the Celtics feel after Wednesday night...that's Marc Androgenous after AOL & Mozilla kick MS' ass in the new browser war, baby!
"Both parties" -- regardless the name on the business card, the product is labled "Microsoft" (or, in Korean, "Microsoft-shima"). When an agent of a company screws up, the company screws up.
Why are people giving the contractor (MS) a free swing when their sub-contractor (translation co) makes a serious blunder that can, under certain conditions, result in a major security breech? Visual Studio.NET users didn't contract with the translator, MS did and MS respresented the product as their own. So, yeah, no one who gets a paycheck signed by BillG made the error, but the blame is squarely on MS' shoulders.
"It's not our fault," claimed Blamer, er, Balmer, "it's the fault of the {temporary worker|sub-contractor|college intern} we hired."
You came to the decision that a change in employment was acceptible and you pursued (even if they initiated) other offers. You cared enough to leave to make a good enough impression to get an offer -- and you showed you were seriously considering the new company enough that they seriously gave you that offer. So what changed?
The new company values you, out of the gate, at the new offer level. You existing company match that level begrudgingly. You have a fresh start with the new company starting at the offer level. You have bagged with the old company and you are now at your highest level after applying pressure. If you make a mistake, slack off one afternoon and are caught reading Slashdot, or worse, posting a reply, which organization will notice and be more likely to hold a grudge?
A fresh start at a new level--and that level is "ground zero" for you.
Having been in the exact circumstances you were in last summer and having chosen to jump ship, I'm pulling for you to do likewise. Last summer I was making $55k as a lead developer. Today I'm making $90k with equity in the company as an executive (but still a developer at heart). New opportunities are just that.
Go with the one who loves you, not the one who is jealous to keep you. Works better.
With NPR I can listen to unbiased news and interentsing debate/commentary, you would be suprised on just how tainted commercial TV and Radio is.
Sarcasm, right? Commerical radio isn't "biased" except to gain listeners and sell ads. I guarantee it. Public radio is the most biased medium in existence, besides Disney Radio (which is why 790 AM KABC in LA sucks so very badly).
Clear channel is a monopoly with bad music
Clear Channel is a "least offensive" network, on its way to becoming a Disney but, with talents like Dr. Laura (hated by the left and immoral) and Phil Hendrie (hated by Dr Laura listeners) they are showing signs of "getting it" before Eisner-itis is fullblown.
How DARE you ask such an insensitive question in a time when the tech industry is in a slump and quality software engineers are begging in the streets after valiantly struggling in the dotCom wars of the late 1990's. You taunt us with the news of buying a new car and then insult us by needing help with your "delimma" as to which paid audio delivery service to choose to upgrade a perfectly fine AM/FM/Cassette player.
This is a News for Nerds site, and Nerds everywhere are hurting, ravaged by the downturn in tech stocks and reduced spending by speculative investors everywhere. Instead we need articles on the proper techniques for dumpster diving and living on the "Second Harvest." That's the Stuff that Matters right now.
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Thanks for pointing this out -- I missed it because I was too busy using Mozilla 1.0 to read my mail at webmail.mac.com.
As I read your post I imagined your response to another request...
[Dying Man]: Can you call my priest? I need to get right with God.
[NikWest]: [Hands the man a Playboy and some Kleenex] Not exactly what you have asked for, but as I like masturbating a lot better than praying you might want to give it a try.
Has it ever occured to you that when someone asks for an apple they want an apple and not your opinion of oranges?
In other words, 1000 ways they could have written the code better the first time.
A programmer didn't write that comment. No one in a technical field wrote that comment. Probably only a ditch-digger could write that comment--I take it back, sometimes ditch diggers have to make changes, too. No, only a person who has never attempted anything of any complexity could have written such an insipid comment such as that.
I like Office for X, the first version of Office for a Unix system. The biggest complaint I have is MS still cannot connect directly to Exchange with Entourage so that Mac OS Xer's can manage group calendars, etc. That's the rub in my opinion. I wonder if it's really an engineering problem or a marketing one....
I spent the whole day downloading and consumming copyrighted material and didn't feel the least bit guilty. As a matter of fact the facility I used to do this non-buying consumption provided the tools and an organized database for me to pratice my skill at intellectual property consumption. The facility is not afraid of the police, infact it is located next door to the police station and the municipal court system--and they use this facility, too.
Yes, I'm referring to using the library to consume written (and audio-visual) works for free, without paying a dime. Maybe you've heard of this, the library? It was brought to our culture by Benjamin Franklin, publisher and promoter of the patenting concept which gave rise to the notion of intellectual property.
Infact, there is nothing discongruous between a patent or copyright and a library where such works are consumed freely by many people. Sharing a work wasn't the crime--misattributing someone else's work as one's own was the offense. But I digress.
Where is the concept of the library of software? If my local library began offering donated titles on a check-out basis, would not Microsoft, through its front called the BSA, demand it to cease and desist?
Today I spent the day at a library and at a Barnes and Nobles reading technical books on a subject I am not familar with, trying to (1) become familar with the subject matter and (2) to find good references that I would then purchase for my own collections.
If the BSA went after published works as well as software, I would have had to purchase 30 books on Java, XML, RMI, XML-RPC, RSS, EJB, etc., to accomplish what I did today. It wouldn't have happened.
Actually, I do the same with software. I'll borrow a friend's copy or use LimeWare, et al, to find a working copy of a program I want to evaluate (unless they have a true trial version to use; Office X preview was not a true trial version--it didn't work just like the real thing). Once I try it I'll make a decision: buy it or delete it. I don't continue to use it unless I buy it, because I want the updates and other goodies--and if I like it I don't mind paying for it. Just like my book scouring at the library/bookstore.
I propose that we establish software libraries--donated purchased software licenses that can be checked out (for evaluation purposes and short-term use). I propose that these be mandated by law to accompany the ever stricter copyright/patent laws so that the "intellectual" benefit to society of Intellectual Property not be lost ensuring the "property" benefit to private concerns.
Free software, on the other hand, falls into the library/copyright paradigm perfectly. Freshmeat, SourceForge, Savanaugh (sp? sheesh), are today's libraries for software. And it is Microsoft, not the FSF, that was fined for piracy--passing off the work of another as one's own. BSA and Microsoft: against casual sharing (like a library) and not respecting the copyright law. How un-American!
You know all you do is play Solitare. Quit hiding your Vegas-style 3-card draw behind PuTTY sessions!
The HR person called. Told them you're the best Solitare player I've ever seen. Definite management material, I told her. She asked about your Hearts ability, though, so you'll need to brush up a bit. Oh, and I told her Mines gave you a headache -- didn't want her to think you were technically inclined. Went well, I think.
I'm using Mozilla 1.0 RC3 on a TiG4 550. Loading iTools.com, for example, takes a measurable 1/2 minute for all the pictures (even on subsequent visits) while when using IE 5.1.4 or OmniWeb's latest beta the page instantaneously loads with full formatting and graphics.
from the i-thought-microsoft-won-the-browser-wars dept.
Well, MS with Netscape as a distant second, anyway. When using OmniWeb to visit Apple's iTools site (which is critical lately if you are using a @mac.com address as the service isn't playing nicely with Mail.app) you are met with the "Sorry, we don't support your browser" and are given links to download either Internet Explorer or (an old version) of Netscape.
However, like Konqueror, Omniweb let's you pretend to be any browser you wish. So, I'm using iTools to get my email via OmniWeb.
Did I mention that OmniWeb is much, much faster than Mozilla? Wow.
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Lastly, it is in his best interest to believe and promote that Microsoft is impossible to fight against becuase he did and lost. If he were to allow himself to believe it is possible to win against Microsoft, he'd have to admit he's a failure. Just like the Spurs rooting for the Lakers to win--if the Lakers are unbeatable, it makes them feel better for losing. Imagine how the Celtics feel after Wednesday night...that's Marc Androgenous after AOL & Mozilla kick MS' ass in the new browser war, baby!
"Both parties" -- regardless the name on the business card, the product is labled "Microsoft" (or, in Korean, "Microsoft-shima"). When an agent of a company screws up, the company screws up.
"It's not our fault," claimed Blamer, er, Balmer, "it's the fault of the {temporary worker|sub-contractor|college intern} we hired."
You mean this Life?
Agreed. 802.11b is important in my universe but I hadn't heard of the controversy until this story (I have a real job now, can't read /. all the time).
The new company values you, out of the gate, at the new offer level. You existing company match that level begrudgingly. You have a fresh start with the new company starting at the offer level. You have bagged with the old company and you are now at your highest level after applying pressure. If you make a mistake, slack off one afternoon and are caught reading Slashdot, or worse, posting a reply, which organization will notice and be more likely to hold a grudge?
A fresh start at a new level--and that level is "ground zero" for you.
Having been in the exact circumstances you were in last summer and having chosen to jump ship, I'm pulling for you to do likewise. Last summer I was making $55k as a lead developer. Today I'm making $90k with equity in the company as an executive (but still a developer at heart). New opportunities are just that.
Go with the one who loves you, not the one who is jealous to keep you. Works better.
Dear Miss Bunny Reading,
I was being silly.
Yours truly,
Scrumptious.
Never.- Public radio is the most biased medium in existence
Exaggerate much?- With NPR I can listen to unbiased news and interentsing debate/commentary, you would be suprised on just how tainted commercial TV and Radio is.
Sarcasm, right? Commerical radio isn't "biased" except to gain listeners and sell ads. I guarantee it. Public radio is the most biased medium in existence, besides Disney Radio (which is why 790 AM KABC in LA sucks so very badly).- Clear channel is a monopoly with bad music
Clear Channel is a "least offensive" network, on its way to becoming a Disney but, with talents like Dr. Laura (hated by the left and immoral) and Phil Hendrie (hated by Dr Laura listeners) they are showing signs of "getting it" before Eisner-itis is fullblown.- but very, very little of sirius. i think that statement speaks for itself.
Your statement speaks that you value advertising as a predictor of quality.This is a News for Nerds site, and Nerds everywhere are hurting, ravaged by the downturn in tech stocks and reduced spending by speculative investors everywhere. Instead we need articles on the proper techniques for dumpster diving and living on the "Second Harvest." That's the Stuff that Matters right now.
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I didn't moderate. I commented. Big difference. And I signed it.
If *you* weren't so uptight you'd have thought the analogy somewhat funny.
A programmer didn't write that comment. No one in a technical field wrote that comment. Probably only a ditch-digger could write that comment--I take it back, sometimes ditch diggers have to make changes, too. No, only a person who has never attempted anything of any complexity could have written such an insipid comment such as that.
I like Office for X, the first version of Office for a Unix system. The biggest complaint I have is MS still cannot connect directly to Exchange with Entourage so that Mac OS Xer's can manage group calendars, etc. That's the rub in my opinion. I wonder if it's really an engineering problem or a marketing one....
Yes, I'm referring to using the library to consume written (and audio-visual) works for free, without paying a dime. Maybe you've heard of this, the library? It was brought to our culture by Benjamin Franklin, publisher and promoter of the patenting concept which gave rise to the notion of intellectual property.
Infact, there is nothing discongruous between a patent or copyright and a library where such works are consumed freely by many people. Sharing a work wasn't the crime--misattributing someone else's work as one's own was the offense. But I digress.
Where is the concept of the library of software? If my local library began offering donated titles on a check-out basis, would not Microsoft, through its front called the BSA, demand it to cease and desist?
Today I spent the day at a library and at a Barnes and Nobles reading technical books on a subject I am not familar with, trying to (1) become familar with the subject matter and (2) to find good references that I would then purchase for my own collections.
If the BSA went after published works as well as software, I would have had to purchase 30 books on Java, XML, RMI, XML-RPC, RSS, EJB, etc., to accomplish what I did today. It wouldn't have happened.
Actually, I do the same with software. I'll borrow a friend's copy or use LimeWare, et al, to find a working copy of a program I want to evaluate (unless they have a true trial version to use; Office X preview was not a true trial version--it didn't work just like the real thing). Once I try it I'll make a decision: buy it or delete it. I don't continue to use it unless I buy it, because I want the updates and other goodies--and if I like it I don't mind paying for it. Just like my book scouring at the library/bookstore.
I propose that we establish software libraries--donated purchased software licenses that can be checked out (for evaluation purposes and short-term use). I propose that these be mandated by law to accompany the ever stricter copyright/patent laws so that the "intellectual" benefit to society of Intellectual Property not be lost ensuring the "property" benefit to private concerns.
Free software, on the other hand, falls into the library/copyright paradigm perfectly. Freshmeat, SourceForge, Savanaugh (sp? sheesh), are today's libraries for software. And it is Microsoft, not the FSF, that was fined for piracy--passing off the work of another as one's own. BSA and Microsoft: against casual sharing (like a library) and not respecting the copyright law. How un-American!
The HR person called. Told them you're the best Solitare player I've ever seen. Definite management material, I told her. She asked about your Hearts ability, though, so you'll need to brush up a bit. Oh, and I told her Mines gave you a headache -- didn't want her to think you were technically inclined. Went well, I think.
Instead of RedStar Office, as I suggested previously, how about AllStar Office?
Time to try Chimera 0.2.8. It's nice, fast and pleasant. I'm using it now.
I was wondering what possible contribution /. readers could offer to the debate. Thanks for answering my question.
I'm using Mozilla 1.0 RC3 on a TiG4 550. Loading iTools.com, for example, takes a measurable 1/2 minute for all the pictures (even on subsequent visits) while when using IE 5.1.4 or OmniWeb's latest beta the page instantaneously loads with full formatting and graphics.
- from the i-thought-microsoft-won-the-browser-wars dept.
Well, MS with Netscape as a distant second, anyway. When using OmniWeb to visit Apple's iTools site (which is critical lately if you are using a @mac.com address as the service isn't playing nicely with Mail.app) you are met with the "Sorry, we don't support your browser" and are given links to download either Internet Explorer or (an old version) of Netscape.However, like Konqueror, Omniweb let's you pretend to be any browser you wish. So, I'm using iTools to get my email via OmniWeb.
Did I mention that OmniWeb is much, much faster than Mozilla? Wow.
I just saw that episode...last weekend if I remember correctly...
them's the breaks...