As far as getting hardware to work, I can't comment since I'm still stuck in the slackware way of doing things (i.e. recompile your kernel, install necessary software to support device, etc.).
However, quite a few of the HOWTO's cover things such as setting up an X-Terminal network, remote booting, setting up your own DNS server, and things of that nature. For those things, a HOWTO is great - I learned bind by reading the HOWTO enough to get it up and running, then reading through the bind docs and RFC's to expand my knowledge. If not for the HOWTO, I probably would have had to buy a book for it.
Sure, there's some HOWTO's out there for what people might think of as "simple" things - the equivalent of that little book you used to get with windows (do they still send that?) - reading your email and whatnot - but a linux user really only needs evolution/kmail/whatever. The HOWTO is for people who set up multiuser servers and want their users on elm, pine, mh, etc., or want to set up majordomo or a custom sendmail setup, etc.
Actually, IIRC, slashdot's coding started before PHP was ever a contender. I'm not sure if mod_perl was out before PHP3, but I do remember rob singing the praises of mod_perl way, way, way back in the day.
I agree with you though - I wouldn't want to write slashdot in PHP - perl's much more flexible (by itself anyway - never ran mod_perl myself).
Heh... we used to do this, but my all-time favorite was muffler bearings.
We knew this guy who thought he knew all about cars but couldn't find an alternator - you know the type, so full of shit it runs out their ears - Anyway, he had asked a friend of mine to work on his car (he said he hated working on chrysler products) because it was making a noise. My friend sent him to the store after muffler bearings... Man was he pissed:)
I learned (and still use) mysql because of its documentation. The manual is huge and comprehensive - single sided, the docs for 3.x take up a 3" binder. These docs (and surprisingly, a book on database programming in vbscript, of all things) are what taught me SQL.
I wanted to switch to postgresql, but at the time (about a year and a half ago) the docs just weren't there for it. I like a nice manual, a la freebsd or mysql. If this has changed, I'd switch to postgresql in a minute.
'Course, for what I (and many others) do, mysql is perfectly suitable. I write web-based databases in PHP (mostly) for small businesses to track customers and products and such. The features postgresql has over mysql are overkill for this sort of work (AFAICT, as I'm not a database guru).
I just put kiddie in there because we encountered some of it. Regular porn was punished publically too.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean public punishment as in we make them stand up in front of everyone while we beat them. I mean it in the fact that there's no attempt to hide why someone received their article 15 and/or court martial. Since Kadena didn't filter traffic, it was deterrence that kept people from abusing the system.
Well, that and the majority of people who realize that the network isn't there for surfing pr0n and that it's against the rules.
When the information you deal with can cause people to die if it leaks, then yes, security does play a high role. Micromanagement is everywhere - that's a bad human trait. Monitoring emails and webpages keeps the government from getting sued when some schmuck is lookin' at dogs bangin' 12 year old girls and someone thinks their right to be protected from such things is violated.
Tjust the way it is in the military. Kadena was a lot nicer because you didn't have anything blocked. Scott blocked stuff that didn't need to be. If you're looking for porn on a military network, you got busted - it's not like they hid any of these rules or monitoring from anyone.
I'm unconvinced about the 'free speech' part of that - if I'm on the DNC registry (which I am), I'm saying I don't want you to call me on my telephone. You are free to say what you want within reason, but I'm not required to pick up my phone to do so.
The DNC registry is just a way of telling telemarking businesses, "I don't want you to ring my telephone." Ringing my telephone is not a guaranteed right. It does not convey any speech in itself, it just tells you someone is trying to contact you.
Telemarketers can still contact me and tell me their message. They can send me mail or come to my door (I don't have a 'no solicitors' sign yet - and yes, it's enforced here). They can send me email in my state (although I'd prefer they didn't). They just can't call me. If the only way they have set up to contact me is telephone, then that's their problem, not mine. I do my marketing by bulk mail - let them do the same.
Besides that, it is nice to see that someone is standing up for basic rights even when they're not popular. I don't agree with you in this particular case, but keep it up - we need more people like you. We've already lost too many rights we're not getting back because of complacency and 'public good'.
DISCLAIMER: the only thing I know about AOL is how much of a pain it is to work on a system with it installed. All that follows is from what I've gathered from the text and my networking experience.
I belive what he means is, rather than being connected directly to an internet-connected company (i.e. dial up to an ISP's server, which is connected straight to the internet), AOL's software creates a VPN through the ISP's network to their network. To access the internet, rather than go straight through the local ISP's network and out, you go through the VPN, through AOL's system, and out to the 'net.
The only real reason I can think of doing it this way is for the transision from running their own dial-up servers to using dial-up from another company. Made sense during the transision phase, I'd imagine - after all, they used to be kind of like the old compuserve network - no internet access at all.
You're right, you're still connecting to the internet, but it's like being forced through a proxy rather than go straight to the servers.
As someone who formerly did network administration for the military, I can understand your point of view - why don't these people look at their kiddie pr0n at home?
The thing is, I moved out of Kadena and over to Scott, and there they used a filtering system that just plain sucked ass. They wanted me to keep up with my career field, so I spent most of the time at work reading tech stuff (I got stuck at the comm center there - 30 minutes of work on an 8 hour shift) and I had a problem with several pages I would go to. I mean, "teen" is part of a number, don't filter it! All kinds of stupid crap would pop up filtered when it was relevant to my work.
I much prefer the way we did it at Kadena - no filtering per se, but our firewall guys would get a proxy log report, investigate, and deal with it that way. People who got caught surfing porn or similar were very publically punished. Email was the same - no filtering of content, but anything suspect would be picked up and logged.
I imagine that the actual content blocking does intimidate more, but it can also prevent you from accessing information that you should be allowed to get. Of course, that may not apply to your organization, if the needs of your browsers/email users are specific to a certain area. Ours were for entire Air Force bases.
I don't need most of the features postgres has - most of my stuff is just blog-style databases or simple tracking stuff (the one exception being a database I wrote for my business, tracking customers, tickets, and systems, but again, it didn't need anything fancy) so postgres' featureset is actually above my level of knowledge. Very little in mySQL is above my knowledge because I printed out a 3" binder worth of manual and read the technical parts of it. Hell, you could say that the mySQL manual taught me most of the SQL I know.
I looked over postgres docs a while back (about a year back I'd say) and they just didn't match what was available in the mySQL manual, much less the unoffical docs available elsewhere on the 'net. Damn near every question I have - even the stupid ones from not using SQL in a year - is easily locatable in the manual. One day, I'll teach myself all that fancy 'view' and 'subselect' stuff, but until I need it, I'm set to go with mySQL.
Note that if postgres has gotten better docs in the last year, then disreguard the previous rant - I'll be checking it out again prolly around christmas.
Well, one thing you'll notice is that sun's Xserver runs at the same resolution as the console framebuffer, while xfree86 changes it. I'm sure that could be changed, however. It is kinda cool to see the effect of writing to the console while you're in X.
Sun's X is older, generally - hell, how long did it take them to go to X11R6? If you're lookin' for all the nice, nifty extensions, forget it - some of them might be available, but with XFree being the reference implementation these days it tends to get the features first.
I had one of these in the form of a two-foot pair of channel locks. It was the official shop LART for my old computer store. Too bad it belonged with the building - I couldn't take it with me when we shut down.
139 and 445 are netbios ports - there's a win2k or xp box somewhere lookin' for other machines on the workgroup. It's usually best to block these from coming in through your internet connnection.
Now place your vacuum tube in orbit, with a Beanstalk in every city.
I assume you're talking about something like the space elevator. Now, I'm not a physicist, but everything I've seen about those requires them to be at the equator, reaching out into stationary orbit.
Most of the population lives in the northen hemisphere in the temperate zone, which is at too much of an angle to the earth's rotation to work, so this wouldn't be very good for earth trasport (since you'd have to travel to the nearest beanstalk, then up it, then across, then down, then to your destination). Traveling from one beanstalk to another would either have to be done with spacecraft (not cheap to maintain or use) or a ring (which I'd be surprised if we had before the twenty-fifth century, given the huge amount of materials, resources, and manpower required to build it). It'd probably be easier to just use conventional trasport all the way.
Now, for traveling into space, yes, a space elevator would probably be the cheapest method, and would allow anyone who could afford to travel to the nearest elevator (to the US, that would likely be in Brazil or thereabouts) to take a space trip.
I was in the same situation when I got my ultra1 - my solution was to just run it via a null modem cable and some terminal emulation software. The machine will detect the lack of a keyboard and use port 'A' in the back. Standard pinout should work IIRC - if not, there might be a jumper inside to change the port for RS4xx to RS232 (the ss10 sx's had them - I'm assuming the ss20 would).
Might hold you over until you can get a monitor/keyboard/etc. Best bet is ebay - for $60 I got two 21" sun monitors, a synoptics router w/fibre and 100baseT cards, and a box of sun mice and keyboards.
Oh, and if you're not someone who just absolutely hates mousepads, try to pick up a type 5 optical mouse with the mousepad (it requires a special metal mousepad to work). They rock.
The rage fury maxx runs on linux using the rage128 drivers. Even the framebuffer driver will work.
DGA, on the other hand, will absolutely not work, so if you need that, you're screwed.
I had one of these cards, and frankly, it was a pain in the ass. To get it working properly you need two monitor settings in your XF86Config file (for the same monitor) and do a few other odd things.
Now I run it on a system without X or framebuffer drivers as a scrap server. Does the job well enough:)
From what I hear about DOT in California and their money-scamming ways, companies wouldn't get away with just slapping up a sticker.
As a classic car owner, I can see your point about older vehicles not being upgraded with emissions controls - but keep in mind, those vehicles were not designed for such things, and lose performance with them installed.
The good news is that classic cars without emissions controls are getting more and more rare, so eventually your point will become moot. If we get regulation on them today, then in ten years diesel emission controls will be commonplace. After all, those vehicles aren't economical to maintain for more than fifteen years or so.
Not that I think they should.... personally, the higher the percentage of the world using a single browser version, the further along advanced web-based development could progress, because gone is the issue of making everything compatible with the lowest common denomanator.
I disagree. I remember the early days and there were great strides ahead in web development when Netscape and IE were fighting it out. After IE won, things have stagnated on the browser side - there's no competition.
Just one example out of many - look at IE's PNG support. It's very lacking - especially in reguards to transparency. Gifs just don't cut it, but sometimes you have to go with them anyway because IE can't handle PNG's right. I'd much rather have good, solid PNG support than the ability to change the scrollbar color (who thought up that stupid idea anyway?).
In reality, IE isn't too far off the standards - there's a lot of small annoying things you have to be wary of, but once you learn them you compensate automatically. The development process doesn't really slow down too much. There are always going to be certain browser-specific features around, but that's a good thing - these are the standards of tomorrow.
I do hope this will make Microsoft try to catch up though. Sure, HTML 4.01 and CSS1 are great and all, but they're frickin' old. CSS2 was finalized when, 1998? 1999? Why isn't it fully implemented in IE? They have the programmers. They have the knowledge. XHTML doesn't really add a lot, unless you're working with XML, but if they're not claiming to be XHTML 1.0 compliant, then there's probably a reason (I'm going off what another poster said, so not being XHTML compliant might not be true).
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As far as getting hardware to work, I can't comment since I'm still stuck in the slackware way of doing things (i.e. recompile your kernel, install necessary software to support device, etc.).
However, quite a few of the HOWTO's cover things such as setting up an X-Terminal network, remote booting, setting up your own DNS server, and things of that nature. For those things, a HOWTO is great - I learned bind by reading the HOWTO enough to get it up and running, then reading through the bind docs and RFC's to expand my knowledge. If not for the HOWTO, I probably would have had to buy a book for it.
Sure, there's some HOWTO's out there for what people might think of as "simple" things - the equivalent of that little book you used to get with windows (do they still send that?) - reading your email and whatnot - but a linux user really only needs evolution/kmail/whatever. The HOWTO is for people who set up multiuser servers and want their users on elm, pine, mh, etc., or want to set up majordomo or a custom sendmail setup, etc.
Actually, IIRC, slashdot's coding started before PHP was ever a contender. I'm not sure if mod_perl was out before PHP3, but I do remember rob singing the praises of mod_perl way, way, way back in the day.
I agree with you though - I wouldn't want to write slashdot in PHP - perl's much more flexible (by itself anyway - never ran mod_perl myself).
Heh... we used to do this, but my all-time favorite was muffler bearings.
:)
We knew this guy who thought he knew all about cars but couldn't find an alternator - you know the type, so full of shit it runs out their ears - Anyway, he had asked a friend of mine to work on his car (he said he hated working on chrysler products) because it was making a noise. My friend sent him to the store after muffler bearings... Man was he pissed
I learned (and still use) mysql because of its documentation. The manual is huge and comprehensive - single sided, the docs for 3.x take up a 3" binder. These docs (and surprisingly, a book on database programming in vbscript, of all things) are what taught me SQL.
I wanted to switch to postgresql, but at the time (about a year and a half ago) the docs just weren't there for it. I like a nice manual, a la freebsd or mysql. If this has changed, I'd switch to postgresql in a minute.
'Course, for what I (and many others) do, mysql is perfectly suitable. I write web-based databases in PHP (mostly) for small businesses to track customers and products and such. The features postgresql has over mysql are overkill for this sort of work (AFAICT, as I'm not a database guru).
I just put kiddie in there because we encountered some of it. Regular porn was punished publically too.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean public punishment as in we make them stand up in front of everyone while we beat them. I mean it in the fact that there's no attempt to hide why someone received their article 15 and/or court martial. Since Kadena didn't filter traffic, it was deterrence that kept people from abusing the system.
Well, that and the majority of people who realize that the network isn't there for surfing pr0n and that it's against the rules.
When the information you deal with can cause people to die if it leaks, then yes, security does play a high role. Micromanagement is everywhere - that's a bad human trait. Monitoring emails and webpages keeps the government from getting sued when some schmuck is lookin' at dogs bangin' 12 year old girls and someone thinks their right to be protected from such things is violated.
Tjust the way it is in the military. Kadena was a lot nicer because you didn't have anything blocked. Scott blocked stuff that didn't need to be. If you're looking for porn on a military network, you got busted - it's not like they hid any of these rules or monitoring from anyone.
I'm unconvinced about the 'free speech' part of that - if I'm on the DNC registry (which I am), I'm saying I don't want you to call me on my telephone. You are free to say what you want within reason, but I'm not required to pick up my phone to do so.
The DNC registry is just a way of telling telemarking businesses, "I don't want you to ring my telephone." Ringing my telephone is not a guaranteed right. It does not convey any speech in itself, it just tells you someone is trying to contact you.
Telemarketers can still contact me and tell me their message. They can send me mail or come to my door (I don't have a 'no solicitors' sign yet - and yes, it's enforced here). They can send me email in my state (although I'd prefer they didn't). They just can't call me. If the only way they have set up to contact me is telephone, then that's their problem, not mine. I do my marketing by bulk mail - let them do the same.
Besides that, it is nice to see that someone is standing up for basic rights even when they're not popular. I don't agree with you in this particular case, but keep it up - we need more people like you. We've already lost too many rights we're not getting back because of complacency and 'public good'.
Kitchen sinks are traditionally written in LISP and integrated into emacs :)
DISCLAIMER: the only thing I know about AOL is how much of a pain it is to work on a system with it installed. All that follows is from what I've gathered from the text and my networking experience.
I belive what he means is, rather than being connected directly to an internet-connected company (i.e. dial up to an ISP's server, which is connected straight to the internet), AOL's software creates a VPN through the ISP's network to their network. To access the internet, rather than go straight through the local ISP's network and out, you go through the VPN, through AOL's system, and out to the 'net.
The only real reason I can think of doing it this way is for the transision from running their own dial-up servers to using dial-up from another company. Made sense during the transision phase, I'd imagine - after all, they used to be kind of like the old compuserve network - no internet access at all.
You're right, you're still connecting to the internet, but it's like being forced through a proxy rather than go straight to the servers.
As someone who formerly did network administration for the military, I can understand your point of view - why don't these people look at their kiddie pr0n at home?
The thing is, I moved out of Kadena and over to Scott, and there they used a filtering system that just plain sucked ass. They wanted me to keep up with my career field, so I spent most of the time at work reading tech stuff (I got stuck at the comm center there - 30 minutes of work on an 8 hour shift) and I had a problem with several pages I would go to. I mean, "teen" is part of a number, don't filter it! All kinds of stupid crap would pop up filtered when it was relevant to my work.
I much prefer the way we did it at Kadena - no filtering per se, but our firewall guys would get a proxy log report, investigate, and deal with it that way. People who got caught surfing porn or similar were very publically punished. Email was the same - no filtering of content, but anything suspect would be picked up and logged.
I imagine that the actual content blocking does intimidate more, but it can also prevent you from accessing information that you should be allowed to get. Of course, that may not apply to your organization, if the needs of your browsers/email users are specific to a certain area. Ours were for entire Air Force bases.
Only if you can't figure out how to do it in linux.
For me, it's the documentation.
I don't need most of the features postgres has - most of my stuff is just blog-style databases or simple tracking stuff (the one exception being a database I wrote for my business, tracking customers, tickets, and systems, but again, it didn't need anything fancy) so postgres' featureset is actually above my level of knowledge. Very little in mySQL is above my knowledge because I printed out a 3" binder worth of manual and read the technical parts of it. Hell, you could say that the mySQL manual taught me most of the SQL I know.
I looked over postgres docs a while back (about a year back I'd say) and they just didn't match what was available in the mySQL manual, much less the unoffical docs available elsewhere on the 'net. Damn near every question I have - even the stupid ones from not using SQL in a year - is easily locatable in the manual. One day, I'll teach myself all that fancy 'view' and 'subselect' stuff, but until I need it, I'm set to go with mySQL.
Note that if postgres has gotten better docs in the last year, then disreguard the previous rant - I'll be checking it out again prolly around christmas.
They got a pine equivalent as well, perhaps?
Just wonderin' if anyone ever got around to replacing it. Pine rocked back in the day.
Well, one thing you'll notice is that sun's Xserver runs at the same resolution as the console framebuffer, while xfree86 changes it. I'm sure that could be changed, however. It is kinda cool to see the effect of writing to the console while you're in X.
Sun's X is older, generally - hell, how long did it take them to go to X11R6? If you're lookin' for all the nice, nifty extensions, forget it - some of them might be available, but with XFree being the reference implementation these days it tends to get the features first.
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/L/LART.html
:)
The jargon file is your friend
I had one of these in the form of a two-foot pair of channel locks. It was the official shop LART for my old computer store. Too bad it belonged with the building - I couldn't take it with me when we shut down.
Sounds a lot like the functionality of xmag and a twist on fvwm's iconbox to me.
Wow, it's the same here in america!
139 and 445 are netbios ports - there's a win2k or xp box somewhere lookin' for other machines on the workgroup. It's usually best to block these from coming in through your internet connnection.
Now place your vacuum tube in orbit, with a Beanstalk in every city.
I assume you're talking about something like the space elevator. Now, I'm not a physicist, but everything I've seen about those requires them to be at the equator, reaching out into stationary orbit.
Most of the population lives in the northen hemisphere in the temperate zone, which is at too much of an angle to the earth's rotation to work, so this wouldn't be very good for earth trasport (since you'd have to travel to the nearest beanstalk, then up it, then across, then down, then to your destination). Traveling from one beanstalk to another would either have to be done with spacecraft (not cheap to maintain or use) or a ring (which I'd be surprised if we had before the twenty-fifth century, given the huge amount of materials, resources, and manpower required to build it). It'd probably be easier to just use conventional trasport all the way.
Now, for traveling into space, yes, a space elevator would probably be the cheapest method, and would allow anyone who could afford to travel to the nearest elevator (to the US, that would likely be in Brazil or thereabouts) to take a space trip.
Just as an aside -
I was in the same situation when I got my ultra1 - my solution was to just run it via a null modem cable and some terminal emulation software. The machine will detect the lack of a keyboard and use port 'A' in the back. Standard pinout should work IIRC - if not, there might be a jumper inside to change the port for RS4xx to RS232 (the ss10 sx's had them - I'm assuming the ss20 would).
Might hold you over until you can get a monitor/keyboard/etc. Best bet is ebay - for $60 I got two 21" sun monitors, a synoptics router w/fibre and 100baseT cards, and a box of sun mice and keyboards.
Oh, and if you're not someone who just absolutely hates mousepads, try to pick up a type 5 optical mouse with the mousepad (it requires a special metal mousepad to work). They rock.
It makes the kernel a debian package, which gives you the benefits of package management.
Not a real big deal, but nice to have in certain situations.
The rage fury maxx runs on linux using the rage128 drivers. Even the framebuffer driver will work.
:)
DGA, on the other hand, will absolutely not work, so if you need that, you're screwed.
I had one of these cards, and frankly, it was a pain in the ass. To get it working properly you need two monitor settings in your XF86Config file (for the same monitor) and do a few other odd things.
Now I run it on a system without X or framebuffer drivers as a scrap server. Does the job well enough
From what I hear about DOT in California and their money-scamming ways, companies wouldn't get away with just slapping up a sticker.
As a classic car owner, I can see your point about older vehicles not being upgraded with emissions controls - but keep in mind, those vehicles were not designed for such things, and lose performance with them installed.
The good news is that classic cars without emissions controls are getting more and more rare, so eventually your point will become moot. If we get regulation on them today, then in ten years diesel emission controls will be commonplace. After all, those vehicles aren't economical to maintain for more than fifteen years or so.
Nope, orion women had 2 breasts. It's the human mutants on mars who grow a third breast.
Not that I think they should.... personally, the higher the percentage of the world using a single browser version, the further along advanced web-based development could progress, because gone is the issue of making everything compatible with the lowest common denomanator.
I disagree. I remember the early days and there were great strides ahead in web development when Netscape and IE were fighting it out. After IE won, things have stagnated on the browser side - there's no competition.
Just one example out of many - look at IE's PNG support. It's very lacking - especially in reguards to transparency. Gifs just don't cut it, but sometimes you have to go with them anyway because IE can't handle PNG's right. I'd much rather have good, solid PNG support than the ability to change the scrollbar color (who thought up that stupid idea anyway?).
In reality, IE isn't too far off the standards - there's a lot of small annoying things you have to be wary of, but once you learn them you compensate automatically. The development process doesn't really slow down too much. There are always going to be certain browser-specific features around, but that's a good thing - these are the standards of tomorrow.
I do hope this will make Microsoft try to catch up though. Sure, HTML 4.01 and CSS1 are great and all, but they're frickin' old. CSS2 was finalized when, 1998? 1999? Why isn't it fully implemented in IE? They have the programmers. They have the knowledge. XHTML doesn't really add a lot, unless you're working with XML, but if they're not claiming to be XHTML 1.0 compliant, then there's probably a reason (I'm going off what another poster said, so not being XHTML compliant might not be true).