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Craig Silverstein answers your Google questions
1) I've wondered
by lblack
Google always seem to be early-to-market with some really highly developed software solutions, and also always seems to have the backbone to support them.
I'm curious -- what drives the innovation? Is it the hardware team advancing architecture to permit the software team more room to play, or is it the software team saying, "Hey, look what we got!" and the hardware team dropping the iron to implement it?
I understand there must be some level of synergy, but is it completely seamless or is one side of the equation effectively driving the other?
Craig:
Actually, the innovation is driven neither by hardware or software, but by products. We look around and say, "What would be the next great product to have?" and then figure out what software and hardware we need to make that product work and work great. If that figuring goes along the lines of, "Oh, it shouldn't take more than two weeks to get the code ready for public use, so that should give us plenty of time to get the 2000 new machines we'll need ordered, delivered, and installed" -- well, that's the kind of environment in which innovation flourishes at Google. [:-)]
2) Network Management Tools/Technologies
by kaladorn
What technologies help to support the Google server farm? What kind of automated monitoring and trouble reporting tools are in use? Are they home brew, open-source, or COTS with some customization (scripts, etc)? And if you had to point to one area of network management and say "we could use some improvement or some better tools", what would that area be?
Craig:
Almost all the technology we use to support our server farm is home-grown. The system we've built is so efficient we can maintain more than 10,000 computers with a handful of ops folks.
Of course, we benefit a lot from our massive redundancy: Unlike many companies, we don't need to worry immediately if a computer, or two, or a hundred, die, because the dead computers have lots of clones.
The biggest issue when you have more than 10,000 computers is that network management tools based on visualization become inadequate to the task: even if the UI is very good, there's often too much going on (ie,going wrong) to work effectively. At this level, you really benefit from tools that can not only identify problems but fix them. Of course, it's hard to write general tools for this, since "fixing problems" is typically pretty application-specific.
3) As a market leader...
by Marx_Mrvelous
It's well known that you use Linux in your mega clusters. I was wondering if you have ever been approached by Microsoft, Sun, or HP in an effort to switch to their proprietary OSes.
I can't imagine that you haven't. It must have been a huge decision to invest in one technology, so are you satisfied with what you have?
Craig:
We have been approached by several vendors. However, the advantages of Linux for us are pretty strong: It's an environment our developers tend to be familiar with, it offers unsurpassed tech support (we usually talk directly to the author of a piece of code when we're having problems with it), and it's cheap -- an important consideration when you have over 10,000 computers.
I think Linux works here as well as it does because of our technology culture. Our engineers feel comfortable being a partner in debugging kernel problems. For companies that would like to be able to give bug reports like, "Our network is slow" and have someone else take things over from there, Linux probably is not yet the ideal choice.
There's also a question of "Why Linux rather than FreeBSD?" or another free unix-like OS. We're not really religious about this issue. We used Linux -- as well as other, proprietary Unix variants -- when still at Stanford and were happy with it. My guess is if we had used a different open-source, unix-like operating system, we would have been happy with that as well. We're pretty pragmatic about using what works well for us.
4) Google's inescapable coolness.
by rob_from_ca
How do you avoid business pressures to make short-sighted solutions, and consistently make good, common sense ideas work instead of adopting ones from marketing sources? Not only does Google have the best search engine technology, but you consistently do the "right" thing. Clean, quick homepage, text only well-identified ads, interesting research projects, etc...This is the way many search engines start, but they all went the way of the "dark" side instead of adopting the "right" solution. In my jobs, it's been very difficult to execute and justify good engineering (or just common sense) under pressure from the people who control the money. Any advice for driving through well-thought-out decisions instead of adopting the "management fad of the month"?
Craig:
You know, it's this kind of cruel, hard-hitting question that gives the press a bad name. But, rob_from_ca, I know you're not really a member of the press corps -- are you? -- so I'll let it slide.
I think you're right that it's easy for a company to start with a laser-like focus on user experience, but hard to keep it up as the company grows.
I think there are two important factors that have helped Google keep its focus on users. One is that the founders have stayed actively involved in the company. The basics of our company flows directly from them. Larry Page's background is in user interfaces, and that really shows in the design of the site and in every project we do. And both Larry and Sergey Brin firmly believe that if we concentrate on users, everything else -- including money -- will follow.
The other important decision, which I can't stress enough, has been hiring. We've hired people who not only agree with this user-centric view of the world, but embrace it. Knowing what I know now, I'm infinitely impressed by how much our VP of Worldwide Sales and Field Operations, Omid Kordestani, embraced Google's policy of eschewing banner ads in favor of text-based ads, using an advertising system we developed ourselves. It's paid off, but three years ago it was far from a sure thing.
5) Google and IP address.
by Anonymous Coward
Why in this day and age does google continue to penalize sites that are virtual hosted? With ip addresses becoming harder to get/justify every day why does google discount the relevance of links that don't come from a unique ip address. Please don't just deny it, I think the Internet community deserves an explanation.
Craig:
I can't just deny it? What are my other choices? [:)] Actually, Google handles virtually hosted domains and their links just the same as domains on unique IP addresses. If your ISP does virtual hosting correctly, you'll never see a difference between the two cases. We do see a small percentage of ISPs every month that misconfigure their virtual hosting, which might account for this persistent misperception--thanks for giving me the chance to dispel a myth!
6) Weighting of heuristics
by jolshefsky
As the web develops, methods of matching a set of search keywords to a set of websites related to those keywords must change with it. I envision that the Google algorithms rank search hits by summing weighted factors such as overall site popularity, META tag keywords, META tag descriptions, TITLE tag contents, text contents, keywords containted in URLs, and so on.
Can you talk a bit about how those weights have changed over time? Have there been any surprising shifts?
Craig:
a) I'm afraid not, and b) No comment.
7) Regression
by Have Blue
The Internet is always described as a distributed system with no single point of failure. Google, however, has quickly become by far the most popular method of locating information. "Surfing" has been killed with modern search technology, it's so much easier to look through Google than the Web itself. If Google was down, I'm sure the Internet would be far less useful.
Do you think Google has become an Internet point of failure? With the competition for larger and larger indexes, is the Internet becoming centralized? Do you think this is a bad thing?
Craig:
It's true the Internet is distributed, but Internet services have never been. We saw that really vividly a few years ago when Network Solutions had a screwup with their root nameservers. As I recall, the Internet was basically unusable until DNS got fixed up again.
I think the growth of search engines is a sign that, in fact, the internet (well, the web in this case), is not becoming more centralized. If it were, then people could use a centralized registry to find whatever they needed to know. As it is, information is spread out throughout the web, so only an index like Google can tie it all together.
8) Favoring Big Guys
by PenguinRadio
Does google's policy of "ranking" the sites that have hits favor the "big guys" over more specific smaller traffic websites? That is, would a story on a site like CNN get a higher ranking in google on a keyword "Gulf War" than say a site (gulfwarveterans.com) that deals 100% with the Gulf War? Do you think you are leading to the commercialization of the web (i.e. the big power players) over smaller sites?
Craig:
Hmm, everything I wanted to say here has already been said in the Slashdot discussion on this question.
But in my own words: Google doesn't actually use traffic ("hit") analysis in its rankings: the rankings are based entirely on how sites link to each other. One consequence of this approach is that sites like gulfwarveterans.com, which maintain a consistent focus on one issue, are more likely to accrue lots of links than a transient news story, even one on a major site.
Indeed, searching for "gulf war" on google turns up two Gulf War veterans sites in the top 5, including gulfwarvets.com.
9) Dot com changes?
by Telastyn
Last I heard Google was still the stereotypical "startup" type company; promoting morale over bureaucracy as long as the work got done. Hockey, pool, the Greatful Dead's ex-chef (iirc?), and tons of other perks.
Did google keep the atmosphere as you've grown? did they keep it while others tanked?
Craig:
We still pay a lot of attention to making Google a place people like spending their time. The latest is a massaging chair we imported from Japan, so people could get massages even when it's not our masseuses' regular working hours (and they use the chair, too!).
We set this up from the beginning. (Healthy Choice granola bars in the breakroom: that was Sergey. All the M&M's you could eat: that was me.) We still see advantages to it. We think these efforts help productivity rather than hurt it. When you and a co-worker discuss an idea in a conference room, that pretty much limits the communication potential to just you two; when you discuss it over a game of pool, soon half the company has wandered by and had the opportunity to comment.
10) Google's first programming contest
by PK_ERTW
Google recently ran it's "first annual programming contest," with a winner receiving $10,000. Many slashdotters suspect this was simply a way to recruit new talent. So, was finding new people one of the initial goals for this project, and have you hired any new programmers as a direct result of it? What were the other goals (PR, generation of new ideas, etc) where there?
Craig:
The main goal was to have fun and to get people thinking about what they can do with large quantities of information. If we got people excited about the field of search or data mining -- even if they never submitted a program to us -- then that entire area of research benefits, and ultimately Google benefits as well.
The fact that our terms and conditions mentioned that we retained unexclusive rights to whatever people submitted, hints at our attitude. If really good ideas came out of the program, we wanted to be able to use them. On the other hand, we weren't using the contest as a substitute for consulting or anything (or else we would have demanded exclusive rights). And if the authors of the good programs wanted to come work for us, so much the better. For people who were excited by this project, we already knew there was a cultural fit.
[The following question was added to "the list" by Craig -- ED]
11) Forget Craig
by Talisman
No offense to Mr. Silverstein, but I'm much more interested in Cindy [McCaffrey]! Beautiful, highly successful nerds are terribly rare!
Just so I'm not off-topic: Mr. Silverstein, how does Cindy look in tight sweaters?
Craig:
If you did any research at all, you know that Cindy is our Vice President of Corporate Communications. As such, she takes an active role in Google interviews, such as this one. In fact, she's looking over my shoulder even as I type this. And, let me just say, she ... Hey Cindy, what are you doing? No, don't press that button! Hey! erwqu8poxasewrvNO CARRIER
Could be Google the ;-)
"Yellow Pages" for the Web services effort? What about one uddi.google.com?
Good luck!
any chence of the public ever geting their hands on the raw archive?
comment directly in my journal
...but I really really wanted to know what their electricity bill was!
I hadn't thought about the inherent redundancy in Google's design before, so if one or a dozen boxes go down the system as a whole remains virtually intact. It's an interesting effect of that level of decentralization, I guess. Maybe they should be a model to other organizations with an eye towards security and survivability?Q: I'm a webmaster, but I won't admit to it. Could you tell me how Google weights websites so I can get my site ranked higher?
A: No.
I knew Google was into clusters, but holy crap: over 10000 computers?!? Do other clusters of this size exist elsewhere?
This makes the lack-of-ads-down-your-throat aspect of Google all the more bewildering. Their electric bill alone, must be enormous.
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Please masturbate before submitting questions, not during.
Come on guys, clean up the crap and treat women with respect and you might just get to have sex with another human being for once.
OK, I had 2 score:5 questions, but, about 3 days after the interview article was posted (it was off the "older stuff" block), both mine get modded down once (overrated, of course), so now my questions don't get answered?
Is there a way to prevent this?
What happens when trolls wait and upmod something you don't want to ask the interviewer?
Shouldn't the moderations stop for interviews after it leaves the frontpage? Or was this an editor moderation??
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
I wonder if there is a secure way to have an open methodology for ranking site without people abusing it... any idea? :-)
Damn it! Now I *really* need to know what Cindy looks like.
Hey you Googlites, keep rockin. You've created the best search engine of all time.
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Imagine a beowulf ... never mind.
Finding God in a Dog
If you seem to think some ISPs are having trouble configuring their virtual hosts, why don't you tell us what they are doing wrong so we can be sure to not make teh same mistakes? I'm curious how someone could screw up what seems to be such a simple thing.
I'm using Mozilla 1.1, dumbass.
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
http://www.google.com/corporate/execs.html#cindy
... or some such low brow shit.
No nekkid pictures though - I keeping them to myself
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
If you want to demean women, at least pick one who is hot.
Read the fscking article d00d. Besides, some of us geeks actually *gasp* like girls?
there is an interview with craig available as mp3 (over 70 minutes) that deals with details of the technology at google and how it changed since mr. silverstein started at google.
Like he would work over dialup from one of the highest bandwidth offices in the world?!? They must have been at a hotel together. :-)
Not that you will read this, but Craig added that question himself. Shows humor and stuff.
Damn! The only question i really cared about, didnt get answered. I just wanted to know how many servers they ran, specs, raw computing power, how much traffic, etc. Oh well.
Educate > Enlighten > Evolve http://www.neuroatomik.com
Damn! My CEO and CTO were both planning to invest our last million on pigeons if Craig were going to give a headsup on their effectiveness.
Now, I am stuck with the thousand monkeys we bought clamoring on the keyboards churning out shakespearean sonnets.
Rapid Nirvana
If your definition of 'liking' girls is so infantile you might just discover real quality women don't like you very much at all...
Peace, or Not?
Here's a question I wanted to know, I must of been sleeping or something during the original questions.. Why isn't it that someone hasn't written an API or something of the sort based on an algo for whatever specific program to get relevant information for whatever in that specific program using google? Well lemme not say API lets say using existing command line utilities maybe. I've never seen that done, it's kinda of using Google as a large database (the whole data mining thing). maybe it's been done somewhere... ahh whatever I'm gonna run over the brooklyn bridge thinking about this.. maybe I'll come up with something.
I was starting to worry, but fortunately not only is the first hit appropriate, but it includes a picture - and is that a tight sweater I see?
2 2C indy+McCaffrey%22
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en=ISO-8859-1=%
As someone mentioned, you should have read the article a little closer ;P (I need that in a paste buffer).
;)
Seriously, I bet they had some fun tracking how much of a hit response they got on their exec profile page in response to that post. Got me at least, she's kinda a hottie
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Some pics and bios of Google Execs.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
We had a pool table at Eudora, when we were in Building I (the one by the cemetary, ironically enough). It got used a lot, although there was very little work talk that went on around it. Some, but not much. Mostly it was guys from tech support on break. More discussion took place when they had beer busts out on the lawn, or when they brought in food late at night for all us guys lucky enough to be working late during pre-GM release crunches. In fact, they wound up taking the pool table away because it was causing "productivity" to slip.
The beer busts worked particluarly well (and not just because I a) like beer or b) would wait until they were over and then would stuff the leftovers into the fridge in my office). It was like 3 hours of sitting around in the grass, engineers talking to sales, marketing talking to project mgmt, everyone talking to everyone else, VPs and admin clerks mingling. We couldn't all get together without talking about work stuff at a bar during happy hour, much less on a Friday at 2 in the afternoon on the front lawn of our building. The freebie dinners wer egood, but only engineers got to eat, so the group was more limited. We didn't get the cross-polination that the beer busts had.
If had to recommend a "dotcom-ish" group activity, I'd say a nice summer afternoon, some grass, a few frisbees, t-shirts for the employees-of-the-month, and a big tub of beer, wine, and soda. Very informal, just come and hang out. That's a really good way for a department head to get feedback, and way better than "all hands" meetings. I remember one day we had an all-hands, and not one person asked a question. A couple days later at a beer bust you couldn't get a word in edge-wise with the VP he was so busy talking with people.
Anyway, gone are the salad days...
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
Hmm...was hoping someone would ask about Google taking on the dejanews groups
Some of us are mature enough to let our "tight sweater" childish side show from time to time without letting it get out of control.
Mod down posts with a "Free Mac Mini/iPod" sig, they're spam!
I'd be willing to bet that Cindy McAffrey has a (transiently) very high rank on the word and image search index right about now...
http://www.google.com/press/images/cindy_mccaffrey _lg.jpg
Cindy McCaffrey. At least the sweater seems tight!
So who is Cindy McCaffrey? Google knows! Super cool. Big thanks to the guys at Google for the search engine and the interview :)
JOhn
Campaign for Liberty
I would do it myself but I spent my mod points already. I want to know what people are doing wrong. Obviously it's not reverse DNS, because he says that vhosts aren't the problem, and you can't do proper reverse DNS for vhosts... well, just one of them. What is there to screw up, really?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If your "I must be hypersensitive so quality women won't hate me" attitude weren't so hardcore you might actually have some fun.
Once morale is infected with the aforementioned diseases, it can be hard to shake. Familiarity can breed contempt, even in the best of settings.
Though it may seem hard to schedule, it is important for CEO's and other cheif execs to get some face time with each employee, particularly in a small firm (400 employees) like Google. In my experience, the feel that I'm in a good group of motivated people, relaxed atmosphere and encouraged to spend spare time developing some project on a small initiative has been a major boon to my employers (I wrote a small search engine used by a midwestern college, took 2 weeks to write from 0 knowlege of perl to production, ran for 4 years... the replacement is hideous) I sure wish there were more Googles around.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
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Craig:
a) I'm afraid not, and b) No comment.
Wow, that is pretty low Craig. Couldn't be bother to even touch on the subject of how google works, huh? You couldn't be bothered to share some surface details about the weighting methods. About why method have changed. About why certain method work at one point in time but not another.
You just stiffed the entire
This is not a troll, but that responce was the most pricky I have ever seen in a
Uh, that came out kinda wrong. I meant the kind of grass you sit on and the kind of frisbees you throw. I'm surprised I didn't mention patchouli and a hackysack. Jeez. At any rate, I wasn't advocating getting the whole company stoned. Although it probably would have helped in our case...
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
How do you tell what's been meta-moded for or against you?
too bad he didn't answer the bandwidth Q. Can anyone here give a calculated estimate on how much bytes the google farm pushes around per day ?
How many queries do they server per minute/sec ?
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
Sorry.. did you read the interview? It was plainly stated that Silverstein (a) reads Slashdot (and therefore could have found said question himself) and (b) chose the questions himself.
To rephrase it was not submitted to him, he chose it.
Again: not submitted, chosen
Wow, I wonder sometimes if the average Slashdot reader can write but not read.
And both Larry and Sergey Brin firmly believe that if we concentrate on users, everything else -- including money -- will follow.
With all the news about immoral corporations sometimes it's easy to forget that there are good ones out there. And it's always nice to be reminded that doing things right does pay off. Keep up the good work.
Science may someday discover what faith has always known.
oops, I meant "chose the question himself" (not "questions", silly!). And by question I obviously mean the "offending" get-Google-exec-in-your-pants question :)
So what's all the fuss about? She looks like a well-groomed, attractive middle-aged woman, but I'm not exactly thinking "babe." Maybe you have to be some lonely, teen-aged 31337 h4X0r to get it or something. Now, if you're looking for a truly HOT older woman, Reba McEntire is much better. Of course, my wife looks a lot like her (except much younger), so maybe I'm just prejudiced. I'm not so particular about women who are nerds. With all of the other good qualities about my wife (including being amazingly hot), I find that it doesn't particularly bother me that she doesn't know the difference between PCI and ISA.
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Just print the page out.
Well, let's see. Assuming 100 watts continuous power consumption per server and an electricity rate of $0.15 per kilowatt-hour, we have:
0.1 kW * 10,000 servers * (365 * 24) hours * $0.15 per kW-h
which is $1,314,000 per year, just to run their server farm.
just one picture
I want 2D games back.
It didn't get modded up, that's the one that he picked out to answer.
Not everyone's an expert webmaster yet....some of us got webmastering shoved on them along with other duties...I want the site to rank well in Google for the topics and products it covers, so how do I avoid screwing up with virtual hosting? Thanks!
8) Favoring Big Guys
:)
by PenguinRadio
Does google's policy of "ranking" the sites that have hits favor the "big guys" over more specific smaller traffic websites?
I can certainly vouch for Craig's response. My own site comes up as #1, and it's only three letters
Quit marking that post up, and answer it instead.
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Has Google used IBM GXP hard drives in any of its servers, and what has been their track record?
Background:
http://www.tech-report.com/news_reply.x/3494
That jumped out at me too.
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Curious webmasters are dying to find out!
Sure, and while you're at it why don't you tell us about your Ferrarri and the supermodel you're banging. Bastard.
Nope, no sig
Doing some quick research, it would appear that a computer (without monitor) that is always on costs on average approximately $100.00 per year. Of course multiplying that times 10,000 gives you an annual cost of $1,000,000.00 or $83,333.33 per month. The actual costs would depend upon the system components, speed, etc...
If they each had a 14 inch monitor that was always on, it would double the bill annually. I can't imagine they would have one monitor for each machine, that would make no sense. The way I figure it, they still have one heck of a bill each month when speaking from a Joe Schmoe standpoint, but I don't think that they would have any trouble meeting that bill with the traffic they get and their limited advertising. Of course that bill is just for the computers themselves, not to mention the cooling infrastructure, lighting, etc... Anyone have any experience in the area of cluster cooling and the expenses associated with it? I know I saw something on Discovery or TLC about the units used in the old days, but what about now?
All of my statistics came from here.
No offense to Mr. Silverstein, but I'm much more interested in Cindy [McCaffrey]! Beautiful, highly successful nerds are terribly rare! Beautiful, Yes. Succesfull, Yes.... Nerd nope. Take a look at her quals: McCaffrey graduated with a bachelor of arts degree in journalism from the University of Nebraska, and pursued graduate studies in American Literature at Southwest Missouri State University. She began her career as a reporter and editor at daily newspapers, including The Omaha World-Herald; the Springfield (Mo.) Leader & Press; the Kansas City Business Journal; and The Contra Costa Times; and at high-tech trade publications, including Macintosh Today.
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> http://images.google.com/images?q=%22Cindy+McCaff
Sure, that's a good start...
On the bright side, "Cindy McCaffrey" sweater" is a Googlewhack, albeit not a pure one.
This brings two obvious followup questions:
To Craig: when will someone in your office leak us a copy of the .GIFs showing Cindy's meteoric rise in Google's images zeitgeist this week? Can we see it in the next Slashback, please?
Also to Craig: in how many hours, and how hard, do you think Cindy's gonna kick your ass for handing her over to the raving /. hordes as the older, classier, and way more-reasonably-hairstyled, replacement for our mad collective crush on Natalie Portman?
Finally, to Cindy if she's crazy enough to admit it: Do you like grits? ;-)
Gee AC, I have to say the OTHER AC in the very thread you linked to who pointed out that it was a direct request for trade secrets was perhaps just a touch more clueful than youreself. Note that unlike your own cowardly self (Head of Excite or former "Ask Jeeves" exec? Tired of loosing business?), I am willing to attach my name to my opinion.
If only I could rate my own response -1 to show the level of respect I have for your juvinile "opinion". Why don't you create a leading search engine and then reveal to us those same answers? Or try e-mailing all the other search engines with the same question and see if you get any response, much less a no!! When you find no answers forthcoming, does that mean they are all "assholes"? Or does that mean you need to perhaps look a little closer to find the real source of the trouble...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Isn't Bldg I by the PET cemetary?
Its too bad that Craig couldnt reveal ANYTHING about the algorithm of his search engine. Hell, he couldn't even explain how the weighted ranking system changed! Too bad google can't open up their search engine source.
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I'm curious if he meant on the webserver setup or the DNS setup.
I'm very interested in hearing an answer or if someone could point me to a reference explaining the correct way to do it, that would be great.
The way I do it works and I've always assumed it was correct. Google picks up most of our sites quite well, so I probably am doing it correct.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
What's wrong with finding women's bodies attractive? Or infantile for that matter? I was pointing out, by way of linking to another post of that title, that it was a question chosen by Craig himself. Some of us have a sense of humor. I found it amusing myself.
As someone else pointed out, get over yourself. And I might point out, the quality woman I'm with at the moment seems to like me just fine =). And is a geek to boot.
There's no direct way to tell. However, it's an educated guess based on seeing the post-meta-mod karma drop and correlating that with my moderation activity at the time -- which was almost exclusively modding down the sort of trolling garbage that popped up in a freshly posted story. At the time, I was reading Slashdot a little on the obsessive side, so I was running into the fresh story garbage before it was getting modded down by other people.
thought I'd use my favorite image search engine to find this picture... then I realized my favorite image search engine is GOOGLE.
Krispy Cream is people
> Besides, some of us geeks actually *gasp* like girls?
Pretty sure gasping like a girl isn't going to get you many (girls, that is).
I could be wrong here, but I would venture to guess that deep linking has little effect on how often your Site pops up on Google. Ideally, you want all incoming links to funnel through a single page, and that page will end up with a high rating. Those who try to ban deep linking still want you to link to their front door...
I'll say one headless machine is drawing in the neighborhood of 200 watts. That's .2 KW. Per day, that's 4.8 KW-hours. One KW-hour costs neighborhood of a nickel, so one machine costs about 25 cents to run each day. 10,000 machines cost $2500 in electricity a day altogether.
You made a number of mistakes. The main one is: there is no notion of "watts per second" unless you are talking about a rate of change of power. 4.2M watts is a rate; it is the same whether measured over an instant, a second or an hour. If you use power at that rate for an hour you use 4.2M watt-hours. Not 15.1 billion watt-hours. So that was a factor of 3600 on the high side. Then you were off by a factor of about 14 on the low side in pricing kilowatt-hours. And I would say you were about a factor of 2 on the high side in wattage of a server. Altogether you were high by a factor of just about 500x which is the difference in our results.
I got onto Google, typed "Cindy McCaffrey", and pressed the I'm Feeling Lucky button. It didn't work out nearly as well as I had hoped. No phone number. No candid pics. Not even an e-mail address. I'm disappointed in Google.
I suspect this difference has something to do with the people at Google enjoying what they work on. Don't get me wrong, I have no idea what the atmosphere was like at Eudora. Maybe everyone was totally into email clients. But at Google, especially after reading Craigs answers, you get the feeling that they're all on the same page. Not just your usual group of developers that has nothing more in common than beer, but a group of people excited about what they're doing.
(I really don't mean to slam Eudora, but Google does seem like an interesting exception to the rule.)
I'm also interested in seeing a discussion with actual google people on their policy on what's "suitable" and "unsuitable" as far as advertising goes. I've heard that pro-gun sites are considered "unsuitable" for no other reason than someone at google doesn't like guns. Google's right, but one starts to wonder if those biases are going to get built into the search engine algorithms sooner or later.
As google becomes a more and more important tool for getting to the rest of the Net, their politics are an issue whether they like it or not.
Tech Public Policy stuff
Unless you just like fucking with people's karma. In that case, I have 50, do your worst.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
"Googlewhacking"... ack... did i say that? Of course not... nothing to see here.. go on to the next post...
I want the site to rank well in Google for the topics and products it covers, so how do I avoid screwing up with virtual hosting?
1. Virtual host by hostname, not by path. GeoCities hosts by path (www.geocities.com/$user/rest.of.url); Freeservers hosts by hostname (pineight.8m.com/rest.of.url).
2. If you feel that your ranking is still not high enough, then bid on keywords.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Gee, they were really disappointing questions.
They were mainly google fanboy questions that were way too general. This guy was their head tech dude -- we should have had more tech questions.
Better luck next time.
Is it just me, or did he avoid answering the question about whether Google had itself become a point of failure for the internet. His answer basically was that the fact we need Google to find things implies a decentralized net. Yet the question was whether Google replacing other search engines implies that if Google fails the net fails. i.e. we have the de-facto rise of a centralized interface to the net.
Let me put it an other way. Consider that some terrorist manages to destroy all the Google servers. What happens to practical day to day work that uses the Internet?
I think it has something to do with the location. If you declare "fun time" and hold it at everyone's desks, people just don't feel free from work. But if you have coworkers get together some place generally not associated with work (a park), people put the usual corporate structure aside.
[btw, Colleen landed a position end of March with Eudora. The crew's in R now. Lot closer than bldg I was =) ]
-Duck
Let's try this again...
P = 3.5amps * 120 volts * 10,000 computers
= 4,200,000 watts
Let's convert this to an hourly figure
E = 4,200,000 watts * 1 hour
= 4,200,000 watt-hours
Let's convert this to kilowatt-hours for simplicity:
E = 4200 kwh
The remainder is left as an exercise
Since Google uses Rackable Systems 1U boxes (mostly), they can put 80 in a telco cabinet along with a couple of switches. About double the normal capacity of a cabinet. That means about double the power draw per cabinet.
Exodus reworked their pricing after Google forced them to rewire a bunch of cabinets to handle double the power draw.
As of a year ago when a couple of the Google techies gave a talk at a BayLISA meeting, they had four data centers, two on the west coast and two on the east coast.
I agree. It really helps to be somewhere besides the meeting room. Spontaneity helps too. Insane working conditions/hours (hence the need to blow off steam) also help. Of course, none of that was really necessary for people like me (and 7/8s of tech support), who never had much in the way of structure to begin with.
Congrats to Colleen! I'll have to check out the duckpond every once in a while and see what's happening.
I still have some Guiness in a bottle hanging around if you ever find yourself up north... :-)
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
Damian, metamod aleviates the problem. And as moderators we learn to mod more up than down.
Why? My guess is that a -1 Troll that is not really trolly (most are just biased or somewhat uninformed) will be metamod up. While an interesting post will probably not be marked Overrated easily (because you cannot always tell if some people will find it usefull).
So I don't have the stats, but i think metamoderators end up using more the unfair button for downgraded messages than the opposite.
that link to dictionary.com was PERFECT. great work boys.
I was the first person to post that particular comment under that comment. Stick it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
That didn't actually get answered.
I know Google's been somewhat Akamai'ed, which helps, but if for example your data warehouse had a 'plane land on it (this kind of thing has happened a lot elsewhere in recent days), how long would Google be off-air for?
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
If you want a relationship, you've got to treat the woman with respect. However, you can't be so respectful that you fail to assert yourself. If you have no confidence in yourself, eventually your girl will lose her confidence in you, and then you're just friends.
-rahl
Reality is indistinguishable from any sufficiently advanced fantasy.
Click here or here.
Aye, but I imagine that kind No Deep Linking policy will put people off from linking at all.
Oh wow I never knew, but boy she really is cute. Damn you people for making me aware of yet another hot woman I'll never get to go out with :-)
"As I recall, the Internet was basically unusable until DNS got fixed up again."
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Eh, sonny? What's this DNS you're talking about? Only sissies use domain-names, real die-hards use IP-adresses. Now, lets see, what was that address for google again
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"The chances of a demonic possession spreading are remote -- relax."
And I am guessing that you are American, right?
There's no question that Craig's answer was required by the executive and legal team at Google. What would you have him do, stiff all his co-workers? That's just naive.
"When you and a co-worker discuss an idea in a conference room, that pretty much limits the communication potential to just you two; when you discuss it over a game of pool, soon half the company has wandered by and had the opportunity to comment."
Why do most American executives think so differently? When will most industries realize that not just customer support/loyalty is important, but employee morale and out-of-the-box thinking leads to more productivity (when done right) and then more profits (if managed right)?
Yes, I'm jealous.
The thing is, though, that women tend to take nice guys who treat them with respect for granted.
I think we're clouding the issue. Women like nice guys. They also like guys who think for themselves, do what they want to and defend themselves. In the common lexicon, this is called "having balls". The difference is that the former are like little brothers and the latter are the (so-called-by-nice-guys) "assholes" they date.
The correlation between niceness and lack of balls has been well documented. It's very difficult to be nice and defend yourself and be confident, as one deviation from nice behaviour will exclude you from the "nice guy" collective.
Some people also confuse this with "playing the game". The game is bullshit. If you're being yourself and you're confident, you preclude yourself from having to play the complicated mind game that nice guys have to play. It's that easy.
You just have to throw that bologna out the window and do what you want. Be your own person. Don't be a pushover. Save nice for nuns, priests and girl guides. Women are smart social animals and can see right through the BS. They respect that more than a nice pushover guy. Which is why they acutally DATE the assholes - the assholes are just being themselves!
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----- rL