Just give it 30 years. Once it becomes publicly available, it only takes one generation for society to get used to new tech.
Personally, I find it impressive but annoying. I'm already driven nuts by people talking on cell phones all day, and I don't want to hear and endless stream of command instructions, either.
First, they took away bookmarks.
Then, they took away the menu bar.
Then, they took away the status bar.
Then, they took away the URL bar.
Are they just going to continue taking things away for my own good? As a web developer, I find Chrome infuriating, and I'm not the least bit happy that Firefox is following in these footsteps. If you want to survive on the Internet, there are simply things you MUST know. That's why these bars exist, damn it.
Why is anyone in this thread finding ways to justify this behavior? I thought this was the land of the geeks and the purveyors of freedom. Why would anyone justify taking away a feature that's been around for over a decade and actually works?
I remember hearing about "Primer" and wanted to get the DVD. I was shocked to see that the cheapest price I could find was close to $24.
Gee, as far as pricing is concerned, that shoestring budget means nothing compared to the massive hype. Most of the blockbusters form the same time period are now in the bargain bin.
Most people want something simple that works. It's the designers, managers, and focus groups that want all the flashy crap.
That's pretty much why companies are drooling over 3D graphics while we still have major layout and alignment issues to work out even when using standards compliant code, and every browser is obsessing about JavaScript speed, as if running 3rd-party JavaScript from any other site on the Internet isn't even the slightest bit of a security concern and needs to be addressed.
I mean, come on... perfect 3-column layout is still an art form and only really works well if you hard code to a specific screen resolution. I thought the whole point of markup meant I was describing content, and didn't have to worry about specific resolutions. Why don't percentages work as expected? Why is it when I increase the font size, content breaks out of its container and obscures other sections? Well, it's far more important to use box shadows to create faux, glossy, Aqua-style buttons. If it wasn't for the max-width property, I'd write off CSS3 as a total disappointment, and I can't believe it took until HTML5 to get a "menu" tag, seeing how the most screwed up markup I've ever seen is for the most fundamental element of any web site: navigation.
Personally, I think the standards bodies are focusing too much on technology, while even the simplest problems go unsolved. Engineering by committee is not a pretty sight, and the war cry over standards compliance is hardly a help when everyone knows the actual standard itself is a complete mess, and always has been. Nothing getting rid of version numbers won't fix, I'm sure.
Only some stuff from IBM (now Lenovo) comes close in build quality.
Are you considering only 2-3 brands while contrasting quality with Apple?
Nobody can tell me that with hundreds if not thousands of companies out there, not even one of them comes close to Apple. It's like when someone has a problem with their bargain-basement $500 HP, and the first thing that happens is that an Apple guy swoops in and recommends getting a Macbook that starts at $1,000. Gee, I don't suppose there's a few hundred other PC brands from which to choose.
Statistically speaking alone, I'd say it is all about branding, which is all that much more disappointing given how few models and options Apple offers, which means that they can't possibly satisfy a large enough range of customer requirements to be the "best." For some people, a Porsche represents the untimate in quality. For others, a Honda.
PS - I have 14 years of experience using Macs. My reason for disliking them goes well beyond the "shiny" rhetoric.
Garbage collection, most likely. Ever since the tail end of version 2, I've had regular, periodic freezes with 100% CPU utilization. The more memory the browser uses [leaks] over time, the longer the freezes. Removing all plug-ins and extensions reduces overall memory usage, but doesn't stop the leaks.
Until Mozilla fixes the memory management problems, all new features and sandboxing are irrelevant to me. Even a major code overhaul in version 3 didn't fix that, so multiple releases a year won't fix it, either.
Not to mention the lack of decent, affordable IPS LCD panels. Thanks to their narrow viewing angles, TN panels have a significant stereographic effect that is so horrible, they give me eyestrain worse than any tube I've ever used. Even the crappiest LCD TV is better than a high-end computer monitor.
I find it distressing how many people will spend $300 for a new video card every two years, but then they spend several years using some $150 LCD they bought on sale. My dad, for example.
I wish they would stop trying to improve mechanical designs that don't need to be fixed with software solutions that tend to be solutions looking for problems.
I wonder if they'll have another Firefox Download Day to not only encourage everybody to get the new version the instant it's officially released, but to make it seem like a game.
I had a bad feeling years ago when they removed the ability to configure the scroll wheel.
Yeah, I can still configure it by going to about:config, but I didn't realize that changing the scrollwheel lines in the GUI was a massively bloated feature that needed to be trimmed so the browser could suck up 200MB of memory and have freezing problems every 15 seconds or so (garbage collection? It started happening to me when they implemented their new JavaScript engine).
I can't stand the new forced minimalism fad, so I'll probably switch to Opera. I didn't realize how quickly common features we take for granted would be swept out of the geek demographic. Casual users make up a big bulk of the userbase, but it's the geeks that told everyone to make the switch. So much for keeping the geeks happy with just one stupid little information bar.
People will finally grasp what the rest of us grasped ages ago. That is, I have nothing worth saying that hundreds or thousands of people need to know about and none of them have anything worth saying that I give a damn about.
I don't think there's any lack of people willing to show off how little you want to know about them.
Technology changes, but people don't, especially where egos are concerned.
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Just give it 30 years. Once it becomes publicly available, it only takes one generation for society to get used to new tech.
Personally, I find it impressive but annoying. I'm already driven nuts by people talking on cell phones all day, and I don't want to hear and endless stream of command instructions, either.
Maybe the PHP people just can't decide if the swears should be nouns or verbs.
First, they took away bookmarks. Then, they took away the menu bar. Then, they took away the status bar. Then, they took away the URL bar. Are they just going to continue taking things away for my own good? As a web developer, I find Chrome infuriating, and I'm not the least bit happy that Firefox is following in these footsteps. If you want to survive on the Internet, there are simply things you MUST know. That's why these bars exist, damn it. Why is anyone in this thread finding ways to justify this behavior? I thought this was the land of the geeks and the purveyors of freedom. Why would anyone justify taking away a feature that's been around for over a decade and actually works?
I remember hearing about "Primer" and wanted to get the DVD. I was shocked to see that the cheapest price I could find was close to $24.
Gee, as far as pricing is concerned, that shoestring budget means nothing compared to the massive hype. Most of the blockbusters form the same time period are now in the bargain bin.
Most people want something simple that works. It's the designers, managers, and focus groups that want all the flashy crap.
That's pretty much why companies are drooling over 3D graphics while we still have major layout and alignment issues to work out even when using standards compliant code, and every browser is obsessing about JavaScript speed, as if running 3rd-party JavaScript from any other site on the Internet isn't even the slightest bit of a security concern and needs to be addressed.
I mean, come on... perfect 3-column layout is still an art form and only really works well if you hard code to a specific screen resolution. I thought the whole point of markup meant I was describing content, and didn't have to worry about specific resolutions. Why don't percentages work as expected? Why is it when I increase the font size, content breaks out of its container and obscures other sections? Well, it's far more important to use box shadows to create faux, glossy, Aqua-style buttons. If it wasn't for the max-width property, I'd write off CSS3 as a total disappointment, and I can't believe it took until HTML5 to get a "menu" tag, seeing how the most screwed up markup I've ever seen is for the most fundamental element of any web site: navigation.
Personally, I think the standards bodies are focusing too much on technology, while even the simplest problems go unsolved. Engineering by committee is not a pretty sight, and the war cry over standards compliance is hardly a help when everyone knows the actual standard itself is a complete mess, and always has been. Nothing getting rid of version numbers won't fix, I'm sure.
I see DOS drive letters as the same thing as volumes and mount points under AmigaOS. They're actually a really good idea if used properly.
The problems are requiring them to be used at all times, and inconsistencies with assigning them.
Only some stuff from IBM (now Lenovo) comes close in build quality.
Are you considering only 2-3 brands while contrasting quality with Apple?
Nobody can tell me that with hundreds if not thousands of companies out there, not even one of them comes close to Apple. It's like when someone has a problem with their bargain-basement $500 HP, and the first thing that happens is that an Apple guy swoops in and recommends getting a Macbook that starts at $1,000. Gee, I don't suppose there's a few hundred other PC brands from which to choose.
Statistically speaking alone, I'd say it is all about branding, which is all that much more disappointing given how few models and options Apple offers, which means that they can't possibly satisfy a large enough range of customer requirements to be the "best." For some people, a Porsche represents the untimate in quality. For others, a Honda.
PS - I have 14 years of experience using Macs. My reason for disliking them goes well beyond the "shiny" rhetoric.
That aside, and possibly also related to this, bloatware of certain categories helps fund the support marketplace.
Isn't that the old broken window fallacy?
Garbage collection, most likely. Ever since the tail end of version 2, I've had regular, periodic freezes with 100% CPU utilization. The more memory the browser uses [leaks] over time, the longer the freezes. Removing all plug-ins and extensions reduces overall memory usage, but doesn't stop the leaks.
Until Mozilla fixes the memory management problems, all new features and sandboxing are irrelevant to me. Even a major code overhaul in version 3 didn't fix that, so multiple releases a year won't fix it, either.
Nobody is ever found innocent. They are only found not guilty.
...and his +4 Insightful.
Not to mention the lack of decent, affordable IPS LCD panels. Thanks to their narrow viewing angles, TN panels have a significant stereographic effect that is so horrible, they give me eyestrain worse than any tube I've ever used. Even the crappiest LCD TV is better than a high-end computer monitor.
I find it distressing how many people will spend $300 for a new video card every two years, but then they spend several years using some $150 LCD they bought on sale. My dad, for example.
"This video contains content from UMG. It is restricted from playback on certian sites."
Welcome to the future.
Bart was an icon of cool. No one wanted to be a Milhouse or Martin.
In other words, your social skills are more important than your intelligence.
Sounds like an accurate social commentary to me.
I wish they would stop trying to improve mechanical designs that don't need to be fixed with software solutions that tend to be solutions looking for problems.
Then you can sue them for breach of warranty.
Then they can settle out of court.
It only needs to be more profitable for them to extort people than to fend off lawsuits, and then they'll just "deal with it."
I've heard of clothes making the man, but this is ridiculous.
Gee, you'd think the Chinese people could get better pay for their work so they could afford to buy foreign products.
Acid3 is passé. Now it's just "Acid." One test to rule them all.
I wonder if they'll have another Firefox Download Day to not only encourage everybody to get the new version the instant it's officially released, but to make it seem like a game.
I had a bad feeling years ago when they removed the ability to configure the scroll wheel.
Yeah, I can still configure it by going to about:config, but I didn't realize that changing the scrollwheel lines in the GUI was a massively bloated feature that needed to be trimmed so the browser could suck up 200MB of memory and have freezing problems every 15 seconds or so (garbage collection? It started happening to me when they implemented their new JavaScript engine).
I can't stand the new forced minimalism fad, so I'll probably switch to Opera. I didn't realize how quickly common features we take for granted would be swept out of the geek demographic. Casual users make up a big bulk of the userbase, but it's the geeks that told everyone to make the switch. So much for keeping the geeks happy with just one stupid little information bar.
Funny. My experience in retail taught me it was my colleagues that were the problem.
Kind of weird that they didn't choose the name Mrs. Tweedy's Electrical Cords.
Woman's touch. Makes the public feel more comfortable.
People will finally grasp what the rest of us grasped ages ago. That is, I have nothing worth saying that hundreds or thousands of people need to know about and none of them have anything worth saying that I give a damn about.
I don't think there's any lack of people willing to show off how little you want to know about them.
Technology changes, but people don't, especially where egos are concerned.
Keyboards didn't get crappier. Cheap became more popular.