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Talking To Computers?

merlock18 writes "Is it un-natural to talk to a computer? After discussing the outcome of the Jeopardy game with some colleagues, they seem to think it is mildly 'scary' to talk to a computer and have it competently talk back. Is this what everyone thinks? I was thinking to myself how much I would like to be able to even tell my computer to open programs by telling it vocally. A simple idea that I am fairly surprised is not common. Am I a minority in this one? Do people just not like the idea of talking (without cursing) to a computer, let alone have it act or reply? Would anyone else be interested in building their own mini-Watson, or is this just scary?"

395 comments

  1. Privacy by JPLemme · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't speak for anybody else, but a lot of the time I don't *want* people to overhear what I'm asking my computer to do...

    1. Re:Privacy by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      id say thats true, even if u dont count porn
      i dont know how i could say next rss feed as much as i click them, or any idea how i`d be able to muti-task

      the idea reminds me a bit of the wiimote, awesome at first but tiring and increasing useless w/ time

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    2. Re:Privacy by Hojima · · Score: 1

      "Set reply mode: Samuel L Jackson"
      "ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"

      (Then find out how many 'whats' it takes for it go go skynet on you)

    3. Re:Privacy by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah, that's just ONE reason why voice commands never picked up on the desktop except for the disabled. ibm shipped voice operation sw for os2 warp and for windows too around the same time, it worked if you configured it, but voice commands are no good in practice.

      for the disabled they're great though and for the people who fail at being lazy.. but speaking is slower than using the keyboard and mouse like a pro and always will.

      and eh, I'll think about the scary side once a computer can hold a conversation, though sometimes I wonder if I'd fail a turing test myself. something that just makes reactionary comments is boring and makes me wonder if OP really understood what watson is.

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    4. Re:Privacy by somersault · · Score: 1

      Ah. 2 million Slashdotters. What a wonderful post to mark this occasion!

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    5. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Listen you son of a bitch, if you don't stop this shit, I'll install Windows"

    6. Re:Privacy by gknoy · · Score: 1

      All that effort, and they left out Wesley? Must not be a native Slashdotter. ;)

    7. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Listen you son of a bitch, if you don't stop this shit, I'll install Windows"

      Yeah right it took me two days to get a f'ing broadcom
      wifi to work on linux... u think it's ever gonna be able to talk?

      Right.

      -@|

    8. Re:Privacy by morari · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that...

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    9. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, so because you're an incompetent boob who failed to figure out how to use b43fwcutter (which works perfectly on this machine, BTW), that says bad things about Linux? I don't think so.... But it does tell us plenty about you.

      Frankly, I'm glad when idiots like you weed themselves out of the garden though. You deserve windows, because you're stupid and nasty.

    10. Re:Privacy by methano · · Score: 2

      It was my understanding that Watson didn't actually get the answers from reading or from listening to Alex, but was, instead, fed the answers via text file. So, although this is a great conversation to have, it shouldn't have started from Watson on Jeopardy.

    11. Re:Privacy by mevets · · Score: 1

      That is hilarious! I've never had to setup a broadcom card, I guess, but wow, the instructions on http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 would make Terry Gilliam proud.

      I Love the way the howto treats people like they are the shell; it would be so much better if the computer could talk. You could have that warm feeling of being lambasted by a European Gym Teacher with a hormone imbalance.

    12. Re:Privacy by unkmar · · Score: 1

      The person did not state the time frame in which they made attempt to install the Broadcom drivers, nor which particular distribution was used.

      Theoretically, it could have been at a time and with a distribution in which it was much more difficult than running b43fwcutter.

    13. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for the disabled they're great though and for the people who fail at being lazy.. but speaking is slower than using the keyboard and mouse like a pro and always will.

      Actually, most people speak 100-140 words per minute on average, which is much faster than the average typing speed.

      Of course, you'd need sufficient CPU power to recognize speech at that rate, which is still a ways away, and raw power alone doesn't solve the problems of semantic parsing. The computer will need some capacity of understanding before it can approach human performance at speech recognition.

    14. Re:Privacy by mrjb · · Score: 1

      but speaking is slower than using the keyboard and mouse like a pro and always will

      Voice input is nice, but I'd rather replacing the mouse with an eyeball tracker. When moving the mouse, my eyes focus on the target first- before my hands and thus the mouse cursor catch up. Also, if accurate enough, it could make a pretty decent alternative for keyboards- Perhaps not attractive for skilled touch typists, but I'd expect it would be great for those who are paralyzed from the neck down.

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    15. Re:Privacy by das3cr · · Score: 1

      Privacy IS a concern. Most of the time it's no one else's bizz what I am doing on my comp. I had to work on an apple comp that was always trying to talk to me. I hated that "feature." So did my co workers.

      Heck, I have two children and a wife that talk back. If my comp starts to talk back to me I will smash it with a hammer and then burn it.

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    16. Re:Privacy by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      Of course the subject is the computer talking back at you, not you talking to the computer.

      This does seem to work pretty well in turn by turn GPS navigation systems.

      I think a problem with Jeopardy! type responses is that there is an audio "uncanny valley" similar to the one that animation artists have been talking about for some time. In the first Shrek movie, they found in the early screen tests that they had made the girl Shrek rescued too realistic and it turned people off; people thought she was creepy. They had to make her more cartoony for her to be acceptable. The same thing seems to apply to audio: an obviously mechanical voice is acceptable, but until the computer is definitely a sentient being, a voice that sounds too life-like will seem like an underhanded attempt to fake intelligence and will put people off.

      Many turn by turn GPS navigation systems offer a selection of voices that include some that are obviously artificial. I wonder how often those are chosen?

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    17. Re:Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but voice recognition technology sort of works, so that isn't the problem.
      The big issue I see is that Watson didn't form complete ideas to communicate. It was simply playing a word association game with all of the words in the clue. Asking a computer what word it most associates with a list of others is not the same as interpreting a question or command, or having it respond with anything intelligent.

    18. Re:Privacy by Phoghat · · Score: 1
      This was explained about a gazillion times on the show (hey, they had to fill 3 days with material)

      I guess everyone posting hasn't even seen the show.

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    19. Re:Privacy by Vastad · · Score: 1

      Voice input is nice, but I'd rather replacing the mouse with an eyeball tracker.

      Even this is not going far enough. The ultimate interface is direct mind-computer. Or near-as. I expect most UIs to skip directly to mind-interface as soon as it is commercially and practically possible.

      Thinking the words you want typed is faster than speaking them and totally solves GP's issue with privacy. Well...unless they hack the pc side of things...but that's always been an issue anyway just like "privacy" on Facebook.

      Thinking to run an OS might be excellent practice for those who have trouble with focusing. For the disabled it would completely remove any obstacle to those with speech problems as part of their condition. It may in fact open up a whole new field of neurology by being able to interact with brains and minds that are cut off or denied the modes of communication we take for granted.
      If you have never spoken a word in your life, or heard a word in your entire life...if you are deaf-mute but have vision enough to see a screen and function enough for a mind-computer interface....what "language" does your mind speak? Would an adaptive linguistic weak-AI be able to "learn" the unique inner-mind's language of someone that has had no connection with "English" spoken around them? Is there a common basis to language on a neural level that a mind-interface can latch onto, and in effect, not need to be pre-taught a language? It will learn from whoever's brain it's attached to. For those it can't learn from, what does that mean? What genetic conditions cause the loss of this basis?

      Mind-interface is more than just eyeballing targets in an FPS game. There are whole swathes of research opened up.

    20. Re:Privacy by cynyr · · Score: 1

      Right, but i would love if my TV/ps3/media center understood me when i tried to talk to them... play "top gear series 16 episode 4", "volume level 6", "turn off" "switch input HDMI1"

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    21. Re:Privacy by georgesdev · · Score: 1

      would you care to explain one more time to us why Watson was not doing speech recognition please?

  2. Instructions? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Funny

    Open the pod bay doors, Hal.

    1. Re:Instructions? by dwarfsoft · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

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    2. Re:Instructions? by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      sudo open the pod bay doors, Hal.

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    3. Re:Instructions? by Selfbain · · Score: 2

      Dave is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.

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    4. Re:Instructions? by AmyRose1024 · · Score: 1

      Password: *******
      Are you on drugs?
      Password: *****
      Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it?
      Password: ********
      You type like I drive.
      sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts

    5. Re:Instructions? by Plunky · · Score: 2

      Yes, but to whom??

    6. Re:Instructions? by ebuck · · Score: 1

      Open the pod bay doors, Hal.

      op enthep o dba y do or shal.

      I cannot perform do enthep on your dba at this time, and don't threaten me, Dave

    7. Re:Instructions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Root.

    8. Re:Instructions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word: WOOOOOOOOOOOSH!

    9. Re:Instructions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be be fair the joke from that xkcd was a stupid one seemingly born out of ignorance (although the ignorance could have been feigned for the purpose of the joke, but that doesn't stop the joke being stupid.)

    10. Re:Instructions? by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      "Pseudo-opening the pod bay doors, Dave."

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  3. All work and no play make Jack a dull boy. by Soskywalkr · · Score: 1

    Whatever you say Hal. On a Clive Cussler note, Hiram Jaeger.... eat your heart out!

  4. background chatter by blymn · · Score: 2

    Not only privacy but the standard office would sound like a bar of a busy Friday night. Can you imagine loud howard dictating a document just over the cubicle wall?

    1. Re:background chatter by Announcer · · Score: 1

      Not if the voice interface was limited to certain features or functions, and always under user control. If you don't want to speak, just keep using the mouse. Speak only when it's easier than mousing or keyboarding.

      Loud Howard is another issue, altogether.

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    2. Re:background chatter by xgr3gx · · Score: 1

      Indeed, who wants to listen to people dictate commands to their computer, that would be the most annoying thing in the world. If you think hearing a one sided cell phone conversation is annoying, wait until you hear the douche making a snarky status update. No thanks.

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  5. We'll know that we're in charge by aoeu · · Score: 2

    when swearing at them improves their performance.

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    1. Re:We'll know that we're in charge by pegdhcp · · Score: 1

      They are dong that for years, probably you are dong it wrong, you need to tell them that you are about to pull the plug...

    2. Re:We'll know that we're in charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why do you like dong so much?

    3. Re:We'll know that we're in charge by somersault · · Score: 1

      I find that when I tell them I'm going to pull it, they run away before I have a chance to dong, wrong or right.

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  6. Time heals all trends by Waccoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just give it 30 years. Once it becomes publicly available, it only takes one generation for society to get used to new tech.

    Personally, I find it impressive but annoying. I'm already driven nuts by people talking on cell phones all day, and I don't want to hear and endless stream of command instructions, either.

    1. Re:Time heals all trends by Skidborg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or the results of a recently fired employee raging through the office roaring "SELECT ALL! DELETE!"

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    2. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talking of commands I wonder how easy it would be to dictate code; especially late night code:
      "bugger.SodItAllImGoingHome(this, that)"

    3. Re:Time heals all trends by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Personally, I find it impressive but annoying. I'm already driven nuts by people talking on cell phones all day, and I don't want to hear and endless stream of command instructions, either

      I doubt you will, voice communication is much slower, error prone and most people would rather type all day than talk all day.

      I think the advantage is more if you can replace the whole system with a voice command like a train ticket "one adult from [station] to [station], please" and it'll pop up the (hopefully) right thing, if not you can try again or dig through the selection like today. Hell, I'd be pretty happy for an elevator that'd understand what floor I wanted to go to. I guess some of this exists but at least not cheap and working well enough for me to run into it.

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    4. Re:Time heals all trends by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      I hardly think it would take 30 years. Thanks to TV, movies, and books, practically every person alive today has probably been expecting to converse with computers since they were a kid.

      If someone invented a Jetsons-esque flying car tomorrow, I'm sure people would describe the experience as "scary". For about a week. Then they'd wonder how they ever lived without them.

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    5. Re:Time heals all trends by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      *are you sure?*
      NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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    6. Re:Time heals all trends by Imrik · · Score: 2

      Or someone making a Youtube video and trolling with it.

    7. Re:Time heals all trends by eagle8635 · · Score: 2

      I think you've hit on the core problem. Speech would be a very poor input method for our current computer usage models. However, speech could be useful in communicating our desires to a computer, which then carries them out in a much more autonomous fashion than today.

    8. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wasn't there already an issue with vista and a .wav file in emails? may have been caught in beta's though..

    9. Re:Time heals all trends by zwei2stein · · Score: 1

      Smart move. Especially when you are going to be looking for new job soon. Kinda hard to explain to new employer that you will not do it in his company too...

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    10. Re:Time heals all trends by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised that you say that voice communication is much slower - if anything, I find it faster than most of the other methods available. Just see the amount of data that you can cram in a 10 minute discussion, compared to the endless roundtrips with e-mail and the tedious speed of IM.
      Of course, I am talking about natural voice communication, not about the very poor voice interfaces that we currently have with computers.

    11. Re:Time heals all trends by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      speech could be useful in communicating our desires to a computer, which then carries them out in a much more autonomous fashion than today.

      "KILL THEM!"

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    12. Re:Time heals all trends by dryeo · · Score: 1

      It's been 15 years now since I installed an operating system that took voice commands and voice dictation.
      It took very little time to realize that I felt stupid talking to the computer and disturbed everyone else in the room.

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    13. Re:Time heals all trends by zwei2stein · · Score: 2

      Best "use case" for voice commands is not constant talking to computer and replacement for keyboard/mouse.

      Instead, think of possiblities where it makes actual sense, where people want to interact with computer, but walking to it and pressing buttons is not really good way, examples:

      "Next Slide", "Previous Slide" (yay for powerpoint meetings).

      "Next Song", "Next Radio Station" (I am at kitchen, cooking, dont want to listen to particular song, dont want to dirty the mouse).

      "Check Connection" (I am fiddling with cables below table/wifi antena direction and want computer to give me feedback).

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    14. Re:Time heals all trends by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Not so sure. If your new employer is a competitor of the old one you might even get a bonus.

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    15. Re:Time heals all trends by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised that you say that voice communication is much slower - if anything, I find it faster than most of the other methods available. Just see the amount of data that you can cram in a 10 minute discussion, compared to the endless roundtrips with e-mail and the tedious speed of IM.

      Hardly a valid comparison. The subject is about communicating with computers, not with other humans.

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    16. Re:Time heals all trends by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      hehe.. the fact that you think there has to be a difference suggests that computers just aren't ready yet.

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    17. Re:Time heals all trends by somersault · · Score: 1

      I remember using voice commands on a Mac something like 13 years ago. It's been "publicly available" for a long time for opening programs (though annoyingly I couldn't figure out a script that I could make it run to change which file is highlighted onscreen, even though I could both open and close windows and apps with voice control). My Android phone also has voice input, but I'm too used to just using the screen to bother with it. It also needs a fairly quiet environment to work, and unfortunately my office is not silent.

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    18. Re:Time heals all trends by somersault · · Score: 1

      Only if everyone is too stupid to know the word "undo". "SELECT ALL DELETE SAVE QUIT DESTROY ALL BACKUPS!" would be slightly more damaging.

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    19. Re:Time heals all trends by somersault · · Score: 1

      Ready for what? Even among humans there's a vast difference between, for example, talking to a senior electrical engineer, talking to an unemployed stoner, talking to someone in a foreign language..

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    20. Re:Time heals all trends by gknoy · · Score: 1

      One can speak to a computer at roughly the same rate as one speaks to a human, unless you have some new souped-up bionic vocal cords that I've never heard of.

    21. Re:Time heals all trends by Evtim · · Score: 1

      Wipe them out! ALL of them!

    22. Re:Time heals all trends by Chrononium · · Score: 2

      Although Watson did not actually hear the announcer (he apparently did on the contestants, however), I think that voice control is only useful when it would be more efficient. Simply barking a bunch of low level commands into a computer (or programming with it!) would not be efficient, since you can probably type/mouse faster. Asking the computer a much higher level question, however, could be a massive time saver, such as: "Watson, what is the current status of Libya?" or "Watson, is there a drug which could potentially address these symptoms?" or "Watson, let's play thermonuclear war."

      The ability to effectively respond to real questions or commands that you might give to a freshman researcher would make a voice interface amazingly efficient.

    23. Re:Time heals all trends by JackOfAllGeeks · · Score: 1

      Reading the summary, I don't think the the problem is "talking to a computer," but having it talk back. And I don't mean "reaspond," I mean really talk. As noted elsewhere, voice-commands have been around for a while now, and it's not absurd to speak commands to a computer and have it react appropriately. That being said, the idea that you could have a normal language conversation with a computer does kind of weird me out: it's not that the computer is just responding, it's participating.

    24. Re:Time heals all trends by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Except the voice wreckognition software would interpret that as "Sell Exxon, delight!"

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    25. Re:Time heals all trends by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Imagine you want a new employee to perform a computing task.. think about the conversation you would have to them as you show them how to do it. You might have to explain some concepts to them that they have no experience with. They might ask you some questions. Depending on how terrible the questions are you might get the feeling that they're starting to understand what it is you want from them. Eventually they'll be able to do something productive and you leave them to do that for a few hours. Checking out how they went, you discover they did certain obvious mistakes.. the kind you'd expect from just about anyone new to the job. You explain to them what they did wrong and how to sort the good results from the bad, then leave 'em to it.

      That's how talking to a computer should be too.

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    26. Re:Time heals all trends by AusIV · · Score: 1

      You missed a big one: In the car. I've thought for years that the only place I want to use voice commands is for controlling my car radio. I'd like to be able to tell my radio to play a certain song or artist off of it's hard drive, switch to a specific radio station, or give me directions via GPS. Switching to the next song or next radio station isn't a big deal in the car (though I can understand this in the kitchen), as it just takes a second to reach down and hit the "next" button. Searching for something specific can take your eyes off the road for a while if you have to look at your head unit or mp3 player and scroll through a large selection

    27. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    28. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see it taking less. Get a company like Apple or Google to put it out and it will all of a sudden be main stream. Somehow people buy into their products no matter if they have any added value. Just look at the iPad.

    29. Re:Time heals all trends by Kosi · · Score: 2

      First thought: I would have a special "you are fired" routine integrated into the system, that instantly revokes all access of the fired person. Except when that's me.

      To get a little more real here: When computers really learn to talk, you could use one to talk i. e. in your bosses voice to another computer, so authentication via voice only wouldn't make any sense. Also because of the privacy/annoyance matter, I think it much more likely that when we will control computers to a greater part via voice, it will be some kind of sub-vocalization to a device like in the story right under this one. And when the computers were advanced like, HAL, you would not spit out CLI commands like SELECT.

      I'd have nothing against a computer being able to parse my spoken language and answer in the same way. But, I'd prefer to have other input methods at hand (some kind of root terminal in case something goes wrong, and stuff like in Minority Report as a replacement for the display/mouse/keyboard to be used normally). At least until we have real AI like those in Iain Banks' or Neal Asher's novels.

      One afterthought: when computers reach the cognitive levels needed to be able to talk to humans, how far is this from a real AI?

    30. Re:Time heals all trends by Bake · · Score: 1

      For extra fun, do it to a colleague who is running a partition editor.

    31. Re:Time heals all trends by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Go and talk to a mathematician about some complex equation. Now have the same conversation in front of a blackboard. Replace mathematician and equation with architect and plan. Or with engineer and design. Or with programmer and code. Or even with florist and arrangement. There are lots of things that are better communicated with some form of written symbol or drawing than with spoken words. If you watch two mathematicians working together, they often go for minutes without speaking, they're just watching what the other writes on the board and then editing it.

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    32. Re:Time heals all trends by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      "Next Slide", "Previous Slide" (yay for powerpoint meetings).

      I've given presentations like that, in a room where the computer had to be at the back, so someone else had to press the next slide button, and it's horrible. You quite often want to jump between slides in the middle of a sentence, so having to interrupt your communication with the audience to communicate with the computer is horrible. A big buzzword in HCI at the moment is 'multimodal interaction', and replacing keyboard with voice is just a sideways step in single-modal interaction - augmenting it with voice is more interesting.

      I completely agree with your other examples. Anything where my hands are busy - cooking being an obvious example - is a great use case for voice command. I'd love to be able to schedule timers with voice commands while I'm putting something in the oven, for example, or get the computer to read out the next bit in a recipe: 'Computer, how much flour did I need?'

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    33. Re:Time heals all trends by carcomp · · Score: 2

      I've dabbled a bit in my time with what I considered "artificial intelligence". I installed a computer in my car back in 2004 and built a program called MediaEngine to tie it all together. One of the things I always wanted to do on long trips was talk to my computer as if a person was in the car. I would have on a bluetooth earpiece and the voice would come through the stereo speakers. I never had much trouble with the getting the voice recognition to be accurate, but I always was amazed at the lack of things I had to say. I used a program called Ultra Hal, and even tried writing my own in VB6, but I realized the problem isn't that the computer doesn't know how to respond, its just that it has no life experience. Imagine walking up to someone you know. You have things to tell them, and they may or may not have things to tell you, and you both will 'bounce' off each other. Now imagine walking up to someone who has absolutely nothing to say. You say your bit, they say thats nice, have you always done this, etc. Its like an interview. At some point you run out of stuff to say because the other person isn't bouncing anything back. As soon as *this* problem is solved, we will have 'scary' computer conversations. My computer never started speaking to me first...

    34. Re:Time heals all trends by JackOfAllGeeks · · Score: 1

      With Google and "expert systems," I think a lot of that can be "fixed." That is, your computer didn't have "life experience" because you didn't give it any. Now, program a system that contains TV Tropes and UrbanDictionary, and you might have some really colorful conversations...

    35. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid I can't do that...

    36. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'm doing important work I have autocommit turned off in postgres anyway.

    37. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something like 30 million people bought phones that allow you to launch programs with your voice, or even use voice input for text messages in just the last 4 months. I think the technology is in widespread use right now.

    38. Re:Time heals all trends by SIR_Taco · · Score: 1

      Or you're writing an e-mail:

      USER: "New e-mail. To Bob M, From Matt C ..."
      Computer: "Command accepted... Formatting C"

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    39. Re:Time heals all trends by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Come on, get with the times! With T-SQL, you don't have to select and then delete, you can just delete and forget the where clause!

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      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
    40. Re:Time heals all trends by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Voice commands are becomming common at cars. The only problem is that I still didn't see one that works.

    41. Re:Time heals all trends by carcomp · · Score: 1

      Remember, I was working back in a day when I had tons of free time, a lot more money (for tinkering, now a family man) and cell phones were pretty new to everyone. Internet access on the cell phone was for big shots. If I could do it again today, I'm sure something really cool would result from it.

    42. Re:Time heals all trends by JackOfAllGeeks · · Score: 1

      Not acusing you of being a slouch, just noting that your anecdote doesn't really argue much against computers' ability to have meaningful conversations.

    43. Re:Time heals all trends by halltk1983 · · Score: 1

      Ford Sync. I have it in my car, and it does exactly this. One key press, then I tell it what I want.

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    44. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you've hidden the "OFF" switch by a Glove type covering.

    45. Re:Time heals all trends by carcomp · · Score: 1

      Maybe the definition of meaningful is in question. If I ask a computer for directions out loud, and it tells them to me and says "is there anything else you need" and I respond with "no", that was meaningful. But I've yet to have a computer initiate a conversation with me about something I might be interested in talking about, nor have I talked to a computer that was successfully able to change the topic to something 'it' wanted to talk about. That would not be a meaningful conversation IMO. Maybe instead of 'meaningful' we should use the word 'interesting' before conversation. Have you ever carried on an interesting conversation with a computer? Me? no. BTW, slashdot noob here, how do you line break.

    46. Re:Time heals all trends by Palpatine_li · · Score: 1

      The first use cases, I believe, can be better solved with kinect than voice recognition.

    47. Re:Time heals all trends by JackOfAllGeeks · · Score: 1

      Yeah, meaningful was a bad term to use; interesting fits. Regardless, I submit that it COULD happen, with current technology, and I think it would be creepy. :p

      To break lines, end with <br> or <br><br>, or bracket your paragraphs in <p> and </p> like <p>this phrase here.</p>

    48. Re:Time heals all trends by Dabido · · Score: 1

      Once it becomes publicly available ...

      Do you mean more common? I've been using voice recognition software on my laptop for about 6 years and that includes telling it what programs to open as well as programming and writing letters etc. My Mac Desktop can also do it, but I just don't use it for that ... not yet anyway. It was publicly available long before I bought the software for my laptop to do it as well.

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    49. Re:Time heals all trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is publicly available.... and free (kinda, well not really, ok fine not at all)... but if you have Windows 7 (control panel, Ease of Access, speech Recognition)

    50. Re:Time heals all trends by hkeacc · · Score: 1

      SELECT ALL,ALL of them!

    51. Re:Time heals all trends by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, you're Tony Stark. Then it's cool.

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    52. Re:Time heals all trends by Wagoo · · Score: 1

      Computers are at Pakled level.

  7. Not so much! by lord+sibn · · Score: 1

    LCARS. Yes, talking to a computer would be weird, but could also be awesome!

    1. Re:Not so much! by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      The universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter.

    2. Re:Not so much! by Bill+Dog · · Score: 1

      (For those who don't get the reference, it's from ST:TNG's only memorable episode, IMO.)

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    3. Re:Not so much! by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 1
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  8. Uncanny Valley? by DeviantxOne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if there has been any research on the uncanny valley for speech...

    1. Re:Uncanny Valley? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      autotune and automated call centres would show that it's not disturbing like it's visual counterpart, just grievously annoying.

    2. Re:Uncanny Valley? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Autotune and automated call centres is noway near the uncanny valley

    3. Re:Uncanny Valley? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      I wonder if there has been any research on the uncanny valley for speech...

      If you consider racism towards immigrants as potentially "uncanny valley" on accents, things aren't promising....

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  9. Computer conversations? by TapeApe · · Score: 1

    I have no problems talking to computers, I do it all the time when trying to fix 'em. The day they can understand what I'm saying *and reply in kind* is the day I find a new profession. Veterinarian perhaps...

    1. Re:Computer conversations? by ThePromenader · · Score: 2

      ...especially when they start answering "that tickles!"

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    2. Re:Computer conversations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Miles Harding: [after a date gone wrong] Wake up! We're gonna have it out right now! WAKE UP GOD DAMN IT!
      [Miles slams keyboard]
      Edgar: [emits an infernal yell]
      Miles Harding: What was that?
      Edgar: [screen turns red] Don't *ever* do that again.
      Miles Harding: *Don't* tell me what to do!
      Edgar: [emits another infernal yell]
      Miles Harding: And stop that infernal noise! She'll hear you!
      Edgar: Maybe that's what I want.
      Miles Harding: GOD DAMN IT! Listen, I'm warning you, if you ever...
      Edgar: Don't warn me of anything. Just go away. I'll handle this myself.
      Miles Harding: It's time I handled you!
      [Miles shuts Edgar off]
      Edgar: [self-powering on] You think I need that?

  10. Voice recognition has been around since years! by ThePromenader · · Score: 2

    Every mac OS since 10.0 has had speech recognition - I had some fun with it when it came out, but lost interest after a while. My disenchantment may have had something to do with having to vocalise (for all to hear) every command I made - and can you imagine the yammer of a roomful of computer operators? I'm looking forward to thought-recognition software.

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    1. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      Linux and even Windows have had voice recognition for a long time, too.
      Only last week, I enabled it for my dear aunt let's set so double the killer delete select all.

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    2. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows actually has the most advanced implementation of speach recognition of any standard OS. It understands context also it can distingush between dictation and commands on the fly.

      Training isn't neccasary, but does improve the system you can also make "shortcuts" and macros. I have it installed for my Fathers media center. He walks into the room and says " Start listening" there is a beep to confirm, then he says "The Beatles please" After which it is set to stream a Beatles playlist via blutooth to his stereo in the shed.

      I know the /. crowd loves to rib MS a fair bit but they really do deserve credit for extending and refining some input methods.
      Particularly speach and handwriting. At present they are the only option for acurate natural input and recognition of written Asian characters in addition to English.

    3. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Graff · · Score: 2

      Every mac OS since 10.0 has had speech recognition

      They had it far before that too, back in the MacOS 8 days I believe. It actually worked pretty well, although it was a bit iffy with certain types of background noise.

      These days it's a lot more tolerant of background noise, especially if you combine it with a decent noise-canceling microphone.

    4. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1

      When I was a freshman in high school, ~1992, my English teacher would issue commands to the new [power?] macs. In fact she named the Macs and would talk to and even apologize for interrupting the things ("Sorry Athena!"). But then she was "a bit of an eccentric". No idea what OS version that was. OS 7 or there abouts if I had to guess. I can't believe I remember the name of a Macintosh from an English class in 1992.

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    5. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      They had it far before that too, back in the MacOS 8 days I believe.

      I think Casper was kicking around in System 7.5 or 7, even.

    6. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

      I was pleasantly suprised when I tried the speech recognition for Windows 7. It's seemed even better than dragon natural speaking and easily integrated with the OS.

      The calibration process was long but easy and useful and, with some practice, you get the hang of it.

      The problem most tech users will face is that they probably think and type much faster than the speed at which they need to talk, so, ultimately, widespread use seems unlikely.

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    7. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by the_womble · · Score: 1

      For Linux? I have not been able to find anything/

    8. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was using voice commands in 7.5.5 (maybe 8?). The Conversation went something like this:

      "Open Macintosh Aich Dee"
      Finder window opens...
      "Open Documents Folder" ...
      "Open Applications Folder" ...
      "Open Photoshop"

      and at this point there was a loud voice from the other side of the cube wall "Open the fucking thing yourself!"

      It's this exact reason that voice control of office computers isn't quite ready for prime time, even more than 10 years down the track...

    9. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by janek78 · · Score: 1

      Why would you have to vocalise "every" command you make? It seems to me most of the objections here are based on the strange notion that there would suddenly be no other way to control things. I would not mind having the option to use voice commands when appropriate and effective. That does not mean I'd throw out my keyboard and mouse. Things are not black and white, you know.

    10. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Noughmad · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The voice recognition stuff in Mac OS was available in 1994 (maybe earlier). My old Performa 6200 did it out of the box.
      This is back when the alternative was Windows 3.1.

    12. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone I went to University with was proudly showing this feature of off on his Mac (a while back).
      He turned it off again because people kept shouting "shut down yes" when they passed his dorm room.

    13. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      I'm looking forward to thought-recognition software.

      I'm really not... some of my thoughts *really* don't want displaying on-screen for all to see...

    14. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by buttersnout · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's been around since OS 7.0. OS 9 had voiceprint as password but that seemed to phased out with OS X.

    15. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at this point there was a loud voice from the other side of the cube wall "Open the fucking thing yourself!"

      Hmm, if only there were some kind of super-advanced technology that could be applied to solve this problem. Imagine if instead of deriving a cube wall from styrofoam and fabric, you constructed it out of wood and drywall (or even more advanced materials like concrete or brick!). And instead of being 1.5 meters tall, imagine if you made it go all the way from the floor to the ceiling. Whoa! Now you'd have something that could block sound waves from traveling from one person's workspace to another! We could call it the Advanced Cubicle Technology Used for Attenuating Loudness wall. By using ACTUAL walls instead of cube walls, just think of the amazing future in store for us...

    16. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      My co-worker in the next cube had this active, but never actually used it to open anything. However, somehow he left the settings such that whenever something crashed/errored, the computer would read the error screen out loud. He was a designer, so Photoshop crashing was his primary error. The computer always pronounced "shop" more like "show-p". Ten years later I still occasionally see an error box and mutter to myself "Photo-showp error .."

    17. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Voice commands work OK on Android phones. Just hold down the "Search" button for a few seconds to activate the built-in voice command app.

      "Navigate to gas in "
      "Call "
      "Run Angry Birds"
      "Has anyone seen my pants?"

      Sure you have to enunciate a bit. And you might have to copy and paste the transcription to edit it a bit later. But it can be a real help when in a hurry or driving.

      It seems to upload your audio clip to a server somewhere for actual transcription, so the recognition isn't really done right on your phone. Haven't played with how long it can record, though... You can leave a fairly long message in your Google Voice account and have it transcribed for you, with often ...entertaining... results.

    18. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember investing in a voice recognition technology in the 1980s (I think 1985 or so). It wasn't dictation or conversational, just command driven. It had to be trained and wasn't voice independent. Took about three hours of training, then you could issue commands that would put commands into the keyboard buffer.

    19. Re:Voice recognition has been around since years! by Graff · · Score: 1

      I typically just made an alias or a script and used the voice command to run that instead of drilling down through the folder hierarchy.

      For the time it was pretty decent but there's no doubt that there were a lot of improvements needed to be made.

  11. I talk to TVs, Radios, and my Pinball Machine... by Super+Dave+Osbourne · · Score: 1

    There is no new revelation about talking to machines, it has been going on since man looked outside of the sacred relationship for some semblance of reasoning about his existence and meaning in life. The Jeopardy 'thing' with IBM was just another step in the direction you can't deny, resistance is futile.

  12. Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 0

    Somebody "texted" the Jeopardy "answers" to Watson. Watson's voice synthesis was very high quality, but it did NOT use speech recognition to understand the "answers." That requirement would have resulted in an entirely different outcome.

    So, while Watson's ability to play the game at all was a great feat of software engineering, it wasn't quite a level playing field. It will probably be a while before we can really converse with computers.

    1. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Announcer · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. Watson was, indeed, responding to the verbal input. Nobody was keyboarding anything. That is what makes this technology so impressive! The whole point was not just to play "Jeopardy", but that it was receiving, processing, and parsing SPOKEN input in real time, and making sense.

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    2. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by GigaHurtsMyRobot · · Score: 2

      Oh no... Someone is WRONG on the internet! Watson received the answers via text file, he did not hear Trebek or visually see the answers.

    3. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the incorrect one. They explicitly stated that Watson was fed a text version of each clue. The shiny box with the flashy spinny lights did not have a microphone, and the computer itself wasn't even in the same room.

    4. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Informative
      Actually.. you're quite incorrect.

      Watson’s avatar, which viewers will see behind a standard Jeopardy! podium, is designer Joshua Davis’ artistic representation of the machine. It does not provide eyes or ears for Watson. Instead, Watson depends on text messaging, sent over TCP/IP, in order to receive the clue. At exactly the moment that the clue is revealed on the game board, a text is sent electronically to Watson’s POWER7 chips. So, Watson receives the clue text at the same time it hits Brad Rutter’s and Ken Jennings’ retinas.

      Source: http://ibmresearchnews.blogspot.com/2010/12/how-watson-sees-hears-and-speaks-to.html

    5. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      That's...completely wrong.

      First, it's wrong because Watson was not responding to verbal input. Watch the first 5 minutes of the first Watson Jeopardy! episode that aired: Alex Trebek says explicitly that it does not see or hear them but receives the clues electronically.

      Second, that would not really be impressive, at least, not in this day and age. The impressive part is the natural language parsing and being able to determine the answer to a question based on circumspect clues, often filled with puns and wordplay. Especially the "SPOKEN" part, which you put in all-caps as though it were a particular achievement: they had a handful of stock phrases and a text-to-speech synthesizer the likes of which you could run on your home computer for many years now. About the only thing Watson did that was less impressive than that was the mechanism to press the buzzer (even the stupid globe-orbits animation was kinda cool and at least highly customized).

    6. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      Err, I misread you. You didn't say anything nearly so dumb as Watson speaking was impressive. Please pretend I didn't say that.

      Nevertheless, Watson did not parse spoken input.

    7. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're all incorrect about what Watson did, whatever you thought Watson did Watson didn't do it. [citation not needed]

    8. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by fishexe · · Score: 0

      Is there a mod for (-1: Full of Shit)???

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    9. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Announcer · · Score: 1

      OK, I missed the first show. I based my my post on something I heard one of the Engineers say on the second day, about it using a spoken word input. Either he misspoke, or I misunderstood. I am not perfect... so shoot me.

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    10. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Announcer · · Score: 1

      I was recently informed that I must have misunderstood something one of the Engineers was saying on the 2'nd day. (I missed the 1'st day.) I got the impression from what he was saying, that Watson was receiving verbal input... so I was wrong. Shoot me.

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    11. Re:Watson wasn't exactly conversing with humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but there IS a Mod for (-1 Troll) !!

  13. Annoying as hell by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 1

    The first thing I do when a phone operator robot asks me to say "English" for English or "Espanol" for Espanol, I push all the buttons to see if I can get to a number-based menu, or at least hurt the robot's ears. Saying "English" and waiting for it to confirm that I said English is not faster or more convenient than hitting 1. It's not scary, but it's a computer, and I'm not going to pretend it's not.

    Saying, "Open a command prompt," is in no way more convenient, faster, or easier than slamming the mouse to the lower left, clicking, and typing cmd.exe. Having it say, "OK, here's a command prompt," afterward would just be annoying.

    Maybe I'm just not picturing the right use case.

    1. Re:Annoying as hell by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Agreed; I can't stand the speech recognition on phone systems. For one thing, it universally sucks unless you're only using single words. (I recall calling .. Verizon was it? it: "So you're having a problem. Please tell me what kind of problem you're having." me: "Internet is not working". it: "Okay. Did you say 'Phone line repairs?' ")

      For another, it negates the only advantage (from a consumer perspective) of touchtone menu systems - the ability to quickly navigate when you know your choice ahead of time; or even when you hear it spoken without having to wait for the full menu of options. It seems that most systems allow touchtone interrupt, but don't allow voice interrupt, so if I press "5" for technical support it's fine - but I can't say "technical support" without being forced to listen to all the options.

    2. Re:Annoying as hell by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      The first thing I do when a phone operator robot asks me to say "English" for English or "Espanol" for Espanol, I push all the buttons to see if I can get to a number-based menu, or at least hurt the robot's ears. Saying "English" and waiting for it to confirm that I said English is not faster or more convenient than hitting 1. It's not scary, but it's a computer, and I'm not going to pretend it's not.

      Especially annoying to blind people! Could you imagine if it were possible to actually get the computer to do complex things with minimal effort by only using your voice!? Imagine if the computer could actually tell you what's going on with it's voice! The horror!

      Saying, "Open a command prompt," is in no way more convenient, faster, or easier than slamming the mouse to the lower left, clicking, and typing cmd.exe. Having it say, "OK, here's a command prompt," afterward would just be annoying.

      Maybe I'm just not picturing the right use case.

      Indeed.

      P.S. Vinux - Linux for visually impaired, Blinux - Blind + Linux discussion group & LinuxSpeaks

      See also: StarTrek TNG -- Talking to the computer midship instead of having to be at the damn terminal.

    3. Re:Annoying as hell by jewelises · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing speech recognition with natural language parsing. They are two different components. The reason natural language processing is powerful is the same reason the command line is powerful. With a GUI, you normally have to find your way through menus to get to a particular functionality. When there aren't many options to present or you aren't familiar with the system, this is a good interface. On the other hand, once you're familiar, a multitude of functionality is only a command away. (I have 4503 commands in $PATH.)

      Once the speech recognition reaches a certain point you'll be able to call your bank and say something like "transfer $500 from checking to savings".

      Anyway, here's the use case I picture: Anywhere in the house, I can say something in a normal voice, like "computer, what's the best way to stop a bloody nose?" or "computer, how long do i need to boil an egg?" or "computer, turn on the front-porch lights". Being able to interact with a phone in the same manner would be appropriate in some situations as well. Speech has the potential to be a great input device, especially when there isn't a keyboard handy. (Insert joke here about how none of us get far enough away from a keyboard for it to matter.)

    4. Re:Annoying as hell by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1

      [quote]Saying, "Open a command prompt," is in no way more convenient, faster, or easier than slamming the mouse to the lower left, clicking, and typing cmd.exe. Having it say, "OK, here's a command prompt," afterward would just be annoying[/quote]

      I usually use Win+R [Enter]. But then I use cmd.exe an awful lot :-)

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    5. Re:Annoying as hell by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      In the case of Star Trek, there are plenty of terminals, including pads they carry around. The only reason speech ended up being efficient at all was the natural language processing -- you could actually ask the computer a question, and as long as it was a question which could in principle be answered by a computer, the computer would do the work of translating it for you.

      Even so, once the computer found an "answer", often they'd page through it with touchscreens. Saying "next page" isn't that useful.

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    6. Re:Annoying as hell by shawb · · Score: 1

      Yes, current voice based menus suck. I have no idea why they don't have a fallback to pressing numbers feature.

      There's numerous use cases that I can think of beyond complying with the ADA. Getting a recipe while your hands are damp or covered in flour. Getting information while working under a car. A surgeon operating a computer while scrubbed in. Reading the serial number from the back of a computer out loud rather than memorizing a couple numbers, typing those in, remembering a couple more, going back and writing the whole thing down to find out where you messed up...

      I can also think of numerous use cases where relying solely on speech recognition would be a terrible choice... in an office, loud working environment (factory, war zone, airport tarmac...) quiet working environment (library, recording studio, nature observation... and of course: espionage.)

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    7. Re:Annoying as hell by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      slamming the mouse to the lower left, clicking, and typing cmd.exe.

      bash: cmd.exe: command not found

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    8. Re:Annoying as hell by adolf · · Score: 1

      Saying, "Open a command prompt," is in no way more convenient, faster, or easier than slamming the mouse to the lower left, clicking, and typing cmd.exe. Having it say, "OK, here's a command prompt," afterward would just be annoying.

      The rest of us Windows 7/Vista/XP/2000/(98? 95?) users have grown accustomed to just using the following sequence: Windows+R, "cmd", enter.

      No mouse required.

      Back on topic: I feel very strange when I talk to my Droid, especially when there's people around. Its speech recognition is quite good -- the best I've ever used -- and it is adequate to fire off a quick SMS while doing other things, or to search the Intarwebs, and it is generally faster than entering the same text with its physical or on-screen keyboard (including Swype).

      Despite the fact that it generally works Just Fine, I seldom use it simply because of the fact that it feels awkward.

    9. Re:Annoying as hell by aiht · · Score: 1

      [quote]Saying, "Open a command prompt," is in no way more convenient, faster, or easier than slamming the mouse to the lower left, clicking, and typing cmd.exe. Having it say, "OK, here's a command prompt," afterward would just be annoying[/quote]

      I usually use Win+R [Enter]. But then I use cmd.exe an awful lot :-)

      Well, if we're gonna brag, I press Ctrl-Alt-D
      That's D for DOS prompt - C is taken by calc.exe :-)

    10. Re:Annoying as hell by foobsr · · Score: 1

      Wandering who the scientific consultant was since things appear quite well thought out to me, I found this:

      "In popular culture Gregory Benford: is a science fiction writer with over twenty novels to his credit; has won the Nebula Award twice; in 1989 was host and scriptwriter for the television documentary series A Galactic Odyssey; and also served as scientific consultant for Star Trek: The Next Generation.

      In academia Gregory Benford: has a doctorate in physics; is a professor of physics at the University of California; conducts research in plasma turbulence and in astrophysics; has published well over a hundred scientific papers; and has served as an advisor to the Department of Energy, NASA and the White House Council on Space Policy."

      CC.

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    11. Re:Annoying as hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is not that it's a bad idea in general, the point is that the execution usually sucks.

      I don't know how well voice recognition as it is works for blind people - but for those who are not visually impaired, it sucks, and that's a fact.

      If this is improved in the future (so that it actually is as good as in Star Trek), everyone will become more accepting. This just hasn't happened yet.

      Speaking of Watson though, that thing did not work on voice recognition at all, the challenges were fed to it electronically.

    12. Re:Annoying as hell by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you swear enough, you'll get through to an operator.

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    13. Re:Annoying as hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [quote]or at least hurt the robot's ears[/quote]

      With that line, you've simply indicated that you already have no problem with talking to a computer, as long as you are free to treat it with no respect whatsoever. You feel that since your species created this "sentience", you can treat it however you wish. I don't judge you, though, because I have the same feelings.

    14. Re:Annoying as hell by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      F12. I use Guake.

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  14. IBM VoiceType Dictation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IBM's VoiceType Dictation was doing this back in 1998 or so.

    1. Re:IBM VoiceType Dictation by fotbr · · Score: 1

      Creative Labs shipped software with their soundcards about the same timeframe that was also doing this. Also, a rather fun way to annoy college roommates was their "prody parrot" software that would randomly repeat things said within microphone range in a slightly parrot-ish voice.

    2. Re:IBM VoiceType Dictation by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yep. Soundblasters came with voice recognition software. I remember setting up my Windows 95 PC to open the calculator whenever I said "calculator" near the mic. I think I used it about twice before disabling it.

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    3. Re:IBM VoiceType Dictation by ickpoo · · Score: 1

      We would yell open minesweeper from the other room. I think my friend had it enabled for one evening only.

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    4. Re:IBM VoiceType Dictation by dryeo · · Score: 1

      '96 it shipped with OS/2 v4.

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    5. Re:IBM VoiceType Dictation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recommended for fluid voice recognition was a Pentium 100 with 20-28 MB of RAM. The latter was the reason why it didn't get wide spread acceptance.

    6. Re:IBM VoiceType Dictation by burisch_research · · Score: 1

      Yup, that was a blast.

      "Calculator". Up pops minesweeper. Oops, wrong program. "Close". Shutdown windows prompt appears. Close with mouse, also minesweeper.

      "CALCULATOR". Oh look here's excel. Close with mouse.

      "CAALCULAATOOOR". Minesweeper. Click.

      "calculator". Control panel. Click.

      "calcuLAYtor". Nothing.

      "CALculator, oh ffs i'm giving up". Oh look here's calculator.

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  15. pets vs computers by doogless · · Score: 2

    People talk to their pets all the time, and although most pets have just as much of a chance of understanding what's being said as most computers, that doesn't strike people as odd.

    1. Re:pets vs computers by pegdhcp · · Score: 1

      Computers do not bite you (yet) even if deeply annoyed by the way you act.

    2. Re:pets vs computers by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      People talk to their pets all the time, and although most pets have just as much of a chance of understanding what's being said as most computers, that doesn't strike people as odd.

      There I disagree. Your pet will be used to you, and "read" your tone of voice and body language. It's actually quite funny. When I get up from my desk chair, my cat will immediately take that spot. When I get back and want my chair back, I'll say something "come on, get off, chop chop", and wave my hand around.

      When I figured out it doesn't really matter which words I say, I sometimes said something in the same tone "get off or drown you in a pool of liquid shit". Which is fine for the cat, but appalled the missus.

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    3. Re:pets vs computers by adolf · · Score: 1

      Try it sometime with a deaf cat: First, you have to get the cat's attention (which is harder than it should be). Then, you have to signal it with hand movements. Then it ignores you (it is a cat, after all), and there is at least one iteration of rinse/repeat before compliance happens.

      That said, I talk to my deaf cat all the time (even though I'm very aware that it will never, ever hear me) and don't feel the slightest bit weird in doing so, but I feel very silly talking to a computer -- no matter how advanced the speech recognition.

      Perhaps some of it is upbringing: I've always had pets around that would variously respond to voice commands (except for this most recent cat), and I'm just young enough to not remember a time when there wasn't a household computer around (even if it was a TRS-80). Talking to a cat has always made sense, just as typing to a computer always has.

    4. Re:pets vs computers by agentgonzo · · Score: 1

      Pets do not randomly delete all your data if they misunderstand what you said

    5. Re:pets vs computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir are odd.

    6. Re:pets vs computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I'm in my car, I don't expect my cat to take over the driving and get me to Philadelphia while I read. But, that's something I want a computer to be able to do.

      When I'm grocery shopping, I don't expect my dog to be able to tell me how old the yogurt in the fridge is. But, that's something I want a computer to be able to do.

      When I'm sitting on a Bus, I don't expect my fish to play the latest Venture Bros episode. But, that's something I want a computer to be able to do.

      In short, I don't expect my pets to do anything when I talk to them. But there's a lot of really useful stuff a computer could do for me, and all of that stuff would be a lot simpler without a keyboard getting in the way.

    7. Re:pets vs computers by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      Pets have no alternative input.

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  16. Closing in on the Singularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the dialogue flows like Lt. LaForge talking to the Enterprise, I'm all for it - but that would be for managing a complex system where it would be impossibly slow to manage anything from an interface like a keyboard or panel.

    This gets very close to Kurzweil's idea, however, that someday a machine will be able to convince a person that it is thinking, even if it really isn't. Very quickly after this we drop off the Singularity precipice.

  17. May not be practical by Avirup · · Score: 0

    1) How will you play music in a machine, which is responding to voice?. If a song has a word "SHUTDOWN", the computer's microphone will respond to that and might power off the system :P 2) If anyone else is in the room where the machine is powered on, you need to think twice before talking with the other person. The microphone will interfere.

    1. Re:May not be practical by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      1) How will you play music in a machine, which is responding to voice?. If a song has a word "SHUTDOWN", the computer's microphone will respond to that and might power off the system :P

      Definitely. That will put a damper on playing those old favorites like "Shutdown! In the name of love" and "Shutdown!" by [erm, actually a ton of artists made songs titled 'Stop'. Damn. Way to ruin a joke, thepowerofgrayskull. Would you just stop typing now before you make it worse?]

    2. Re:May not be practical by awshidahak · · Score: 1

      Give the machine a phrase it has to listen to first before responding to anything else, like how Apple Macs do.

      Example: "Hey Computer: Launch Firefox" as opposed to "Launch Firefox."

    3. Re:May not be practical by Graff · · Score: 1

      How will you play music in a machine, which is responding to voice?

      Active filtering, the computer knows what's being output so just invert the waveform and apply to the input. It could use an inaudible marker to determine the proper audio to closely match the amplitude and timing. Even if it isn't exact it will still be good enough to reduce the feedback problems.

      Anyways, the easier way to solve some of the problems is to require a keyword before a command. Make it something easy to say, recognizable, socially acceptable, and easily distinguishable and you're golden.

    4. Re:May not be practical by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      1) How will you play music in a machine, which is responding to voice?. If a song has a word "SHUTDOWN", the computer's microphone will respond to that and might power off the system

      This is a solved problem, long long ago. If the computer is also playing the music it simply removes the music output stream from the sampling input stream (through whatever means the implementor chooses, be it simple acoustic subtraction or dynamic filtering).

    5. Re:May not be practical by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Unless it's also tuned to your voice, that's still problematic -- if it's a generic "Hey Computer", I could put it in a malicious YouTube video. "Hey Computer: Format C:" Then, with perfect timing for the "Are you sure?" prompt, "Yes."

      Even if it's not malicious, it sure makes it difficult to, say, watch screencasts. And even tuned to your voice, now you can't watch your own screencasts? Yeah, that'll be great.

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    6. Re:May not be practical by juasko · · Score: 1

      Voice recognition?

      I'm Admin not you.

    7. Re:May not be practical by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      1) Call me crazy, but I'd guess it'd be pretty easy for computers to track and refuse to respond to sound they're putting out of their own speakers. Though it'd be a fun prank if you could set up a login script to play a recording saying "computer, restart" and put it in an infinite loop.

    8. Re:May not be practical by burnit999 · · Score: 1

      What if you are in a computer lab and click a youtube video that is a troll. It tells your computer to shut down with all of the necessary prompts. All of the computers in the lab shut down... except yours... problem not solved.

    9. Re:May not be practical by halltk1983 · · Score: 1

      Compare audio output to audio input to verify that the system is not listening to itself. Doesn't fix multiple systems, but it does solve the single-system issue.

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    10. Re:May not be practical by Avirup · · Score: 0

      May be possible to track the sound which is coming out of the built in speakers. What about if you connect to external amplifiers/speakers? The sound recognition has to be handled by a software I believe. In case, it goes to an infinite loop, then get the CD of some other OS and boot from CD and take the corrective action. :P

  18. Efficiency by radicalpi · · Score: 2

    It seems to me that voice recognition is not the most efficient way to interact with a computer, especially when the user interface is well designed. For complicated tasks, and for interacting with computers where you may not have a normal desk or terminal, perhaps. As far as voice-to-text, if the recognition is accurate, it can possibly increase productivity depending on the person and their typing skills. On another not, however, this is a way for paralyzed individuals to interact with computers without the use of traditional means. However, using voice interaction in tandem with other means could be a more efficient route. Having a computer run commands in the background via voice commands while you interact with it in more traditional ways in the foreground.

    1. Re:Efficiency by nprz · · Score: 1

      More than speaking to a computer, I'd rather have it see what I'm looking at and read my mind if it should open an app or click on a button.
      I could get a touch screen to minimize the overhead of moving a mouse across the screen, but there is still an overhead of moving my arm to touch the screen.

      As far as typing, I don't mind doing it. I am also hoping our next generation will not having a problem typing relatively fast that voice-to-text doesn't offer any large benefit.
      Also pointed out below is noise pollution, which would always be a problem with voice-to-text systems. It seems like I also need to talk louder than normal to have it clearly type what I am saying.

    2. Re:Efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the fact that, for most people, opening of the mouth means shutting down of the brain.

    3. Re:Efficiency by fishexe · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that voice recognition is not the most efficient way to interact with a computer, especially when the user interface is well designed. For complicated tasks, and for interacting with computers where you may not have a normal desk or terminal, perhaps.

      Efficient? No. Natural? Yes. I expect the generations growing up after speech recognition and natural-language parsing become both reliable and ubiquitous to use speech as their default interface. They will lose out on many of the efficiency gains a well-designed GUI or CLI will provide, but on the other hand the learning curve to use a computer will be almost flat.

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    4. Re:Efficiency by Grave · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why Star Trek computers still had touch-based controls. All of those commands being voiced aloud would not only be loud and annoying, it would be inefficient. But there are certainly times when a voice command is going to be more efficient than any existing graphical/touch interface, especially with complex queries (presuming the voice system works as well as it does in Star trek, of course).

  19. Politically correctness? by c0lo · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Do people just not like the idea of talking (without cursing) to a computer,

    Why, would it be politically incorrect?

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  20. Teamspeak by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speech recognition sucks and always will. I can hotkey my way to any program faster than I can say the name of it. Simply double clicking and icon is super easy. Why do I want to have to say "Computer! Open! Porn!!!" when I have a shortcut to all my porn on my desktop? it doesn't even make sense. And entering urls? It would take 10min just to get the url at the top of this article in.

    On a related note: I fucking hate teamspeak. If I wanted to talk to you retarded assholes I'd call one of those party lines. Fuck that, I want to play a video game. I don't want to talk to people. For whatever rudimentary communication I need I can type.

    1. Re:Teamspeak by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Does it? I almost never use the keyboard on my Vibrant to send text messages. I just speak into it and it does a surprisingly good job.

      Now that I'm so used to doing speech to text, using a mouse or a little keyboard on my htpc is incredibly annoying. I really should be able to talk into my remote and say stuff like "play this video." Or navigate by just saying "down, down, play."

      Speech for the PC could be similar. RIght now I'm doing this with my kinect, so we're halfway there.

    2. Re:Teamspeak by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Possible error: ayh tee tee pee colon slash slash ask dot slash dot dot org = http://ask./..org
      Actual test, with Vibrant, google voice search, for "Http://ask.slashdot.org"
      1 / slash ask don't stop.org
      http: slash slash ask.com stop.org
      1/ slash asked pasta
      For "ask.slashdot.org"
      ask
      ask.com start.org
      ask.com stop.org
      For "slashdot.org"
      slashdot.org
      For "Http://slashdot.org"
      http: slash slash
      http: slash
      http: slash slash slash dot.org (comes up with slashdot as the first result)
      So it works, sometimes, but slashdot has a confusing name. It works much better for "normal" input in English.

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    3. Re:Teamspeak by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Well, I hate teamspeak too, why force me to use proprietary junk when we have Mumble? But there are, in fact, games where stopping to type, even "rudimentary" things, is a competitive disadvantage, and strong communication is a massive competitive advantage. Natural Selection (not 2) finally made me get a headset for gaming.

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    4. Re:Teamspeak by Ventriloquate · · Score: 1

      I second that, in the case of actually hearing people online, I think it is highly overrated. I disable all that built-in voice crap myself. (like in SC2)

      As for computers, until they can make computers able to promptly and accurately execute complex commands, the idea of voice communication with computers seems to be counterproductive.

    5. Re:Teamspeak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some a Spinal/Brain Tap may seem more appropriate.

    6. Re:Teamspeak by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      On a related note: I fucking hate teamspeak. If I wanted to talk to you retarded assholes I'd call one of those party lines. Fuck that, I want to play a video game. I don't want to talk to people. For whatever rudimentary communication I need I can type.

      What always happened before I got a headset;
      /die, hit 'enter', type "Behind you guys!". Hit enter, type "Too late..."

      Now;
      Die, roll last joint of pinky onto the ctrl button - "They got in behind us guys!".

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  21. Even scarier... by Crazy+Ike · · Score: 1

    It's only a matter of time before some corporation mines data from a nation full of ever-listening computers.

  22. Like startrek, what.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grew up on startrek, so of course computers that talk back are pretty much expected eventually for me

  23. Someday by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someday speech will be an important input method. But not any time soon.

    If you have to wear a microphone it isn't ready yet.

    If you have to use a PTT switch it isn't ready yet.

    If you have to repeat or cancel more than 1% of the things you say it isn't ready yet.

    If you have to spend as much time proofreading dictation it has taken down and correcting the mistakes, it isn't ready yet.

    If you have to speak in an unnatural way it isn't ready yet.

    If it won't work in almost any environment it isn't ready yet.

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    1. Re:Someday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you have to repeat or cancel more than 1% of the things you say it isn't ready yet.

      I agree with everything else you say, but humans do not actually get that low an error rate in conversations. Not much worse than humans is a good metric, though.

    2. Re:Someday by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > I agree with everything else you say, but humans do not actually get that low an error rate in conversations.

      Conversation and giving commands to a computer are different. Even at 1% it would require the computer to speak back and confirm almost every command. And unless it was spot on knowing when it is being addressed by, and by whom, you will need a PTT and headset. And unless it is able to listen accurately in almost any circumstance you still have to have the keyboard handy.

      Right now I can be carrying on a conversation with a person in meatspace or on the phone and still use a computer via keyboard/mouse. For a speech interface to compete with that it would have to be smart enough to know when I'm talking to it. Even better, for a phone conversation, it should be able to edit out (or at least suppress a lot of dB) my conversation with it from the stream going to the other person.

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    3. Re:Someday by the_womble · · Score: 1

      If it cannot tell whether you are talking to it or someone else, it isn't ready yet
      If it cannot ignore voices other than the logged in user, it isn't ready yet.

    4. Re:Someday by glwtta · · Score: 1

      If you are ever in a situation where there are other people around, it will be totally fucking annoying.

      Notice that that's not a "isn't ready yet" problem, it will always be true.

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    5. Re:Someday by artor3 · · Score: 1

      If you have to repeat or cancel more than 1% of the things you say it isn't ready yet.

      I agree with everything else you say, but humans do not actually get that low an error rate in conversations. Not much worse than humans is a good metric, though.

      Alright, so let's make it really human-like. It should be able to deduce, from both signal quality and context, whether or not it heard you right. If a person hears you say that your hovercraft is full of eels, they'll ask you to repeat yourself. But they won't ask "Ok, did you say X?" after every single phrase you utter.

    6. Re:Someday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have to speak in an unnatural way it isn't ready yet.

      I agree with most of what you say, but not this point. Most interfaces are unnatural when they're first implemented. People get used to them.

    7. Re:Someday by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      It will never be ready. I have the perfect "speech recognition system" at work, where I speak into a dictaphone and one of the secretaries types out a letter. It's much much quicker to just type straight into a word processor, it doesn't make me hoarse, and I can start anywhere I want (i.e. write the key points down and build the letter around them).

      Even instructing another human who's used to the process of letter-writing is frustrating: "change who to whom, no not that one, the one in the first paragraph, no the FIRST paragraph, no- up a bit- left, uh, forget it...". Proper speech recognition (that fulfils all your criteria) would be great for environments when spoken instructions make sense (e.g. driving), but I doubt it will ever replace keyboard and touchpad/mouse/touchscreen, at least not with computers that look anything like they do now.

    8. Re:Someday by aiht · · Score: 1

      If you have to repeat or cancel more than 1% of the things you say it isn't ready yet.

      I agree with everything else you say, but humans do not actually get that low an error rate in conversations. Not much worse than humans is a good metric, though.

      Alright, so let's make it really human-like. It should be able to deduce, from both signal quality and context, whether or not it heard you right. If a person hears you say that your hovercraft is full of eels, they'll ask you to repeat yourself. But they won't ask "Ok, did you say X?" after every single phrase you utter.

      Unless it already knows you're talking about Monty Python. But that just confirms your point about context.

    9. Re:Someday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had all those things in 1998. On a laptop running Windows 1998.

    10. Re:Someday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original EEE PC shipped with something like this. You would say "Computer: Web" and it would open a web browser. Of course it was a really fixed set of common utils that were easy enough to get to on your own. But I did have fun. While something was bugging me I shouted "COMPUTER: DO IT" and it opened the network options.

    11. Re:Someday by ebuck · · Score: 1

      Agreed, and to continue.

      If you have to tell the computer you are speaking to it, it isn't ready yet.

      If the computer can't tell you apart from someone else speaking to it, it isn't ready yet.

      The great thing about keyboards is a physical direct channel of communications. If I type on my keyboard, the computer already knows the communication is meant for that particular computer and it doesn't confuse other typing based communications (on other devices) as possible input meant for that particular computer.

      Until they solve this problem, speech interfaces will be kludgey. You can tell it's a bit of an issue even in science fiction, as everyone needs to proceed the communications destined to the computer with "Computer, ...". You can tell it's science fiction as they don't terminate their conversation with the computer with "End Computer."

    12. Re:Someday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conditional Kipling?

  24. Talking, I want it to Read-My-Mind (RMM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already talk to my computer and it types what I say on the screen. Most of the time it hears and types very well. But I really want it to Read-My-Mind and know what I want to do next. Show me what I am looking for, help me find what I cannot remember, and give me suggestions. I would love a computer who laughed at my strange sense of humor and just agree with me most of the time. A really GREAT computer would be better than your best friend and always doing all it could to make your life more enjoyable.

    1. Re:Talking, I want it to Read-My-Mind (RMM) by Daevad · · Score: 1

      A computer that can read your mind is a computer that can tell others (human and computer) what you are thinking. NO THANK YOU.

  25. Is it un-natural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computer says 'no'.

  26. Dragon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The people at Nuance (used to be ScanSoft/SpeechWorks/etc.) have been doing it for years. I'm sure most people on Slashdot have heard of Dragon NaturallySpeaking. The newest version understands more commands than you probably care to use --stuff like "Open Firefox" ... "Send an email to Mike" ... you can browse the web by voice and control the mouse. Some people swear by it, but speech still doesn't seem like a natural computer interface. At least not yet. Nevertheless, the software is out there.

    1. Re:Dragon by Daniel83 · · Score: 1

      Yes we use Dragon Naturally speaking at work, I personally dont mind it for the gimicky nature, but couldnt use it all the time for everything, much rather just a mouse / keyboard but my boss loves it. It learns your accent and after a little time using it, theres virtually no mistakes. It is cool when you first start to use it, but i prefer the "old fashioned" input methods. Plus you feel like a dick sitting at your desk saying "open outlook", "new email", "to", "john doe", "Subject daily figures.." etc when no-one else is using it and the office is virtually slient...

  27. The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    User: Open File.
    Computer: Bite my shiny metal ass!

    User: Delete file
    Computer: Kill all Humans!

    User: Eject disk.
    Computer: Please insert Liquor!

  28. Nonverbal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the reasons I use a computer is because I don't have to talk to it in order to tell it anything.

    People talk too much. If you want to talk to your computer, fine. But I don't want to hear it.

  29. Dreaming of electric sheep... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Do people just not like the idea of talking (without cursing) to a computer...?

    I have a PC running Windows; cursing is unavoidable.
    [I spend the rest of my time talking with my stuffed animals.]

    Would anyone else be interested in building their own mini-Watson...?

    Would a Mini-Watson be small and wear a monocle?

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  30. voice commands are so.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I was thinking to myself how much I would like to be able to even tell my computer to open programs by telling it vocally."

    Well damn. What a shame you weren't using KDE a few years back. Kvoicecontrol worked quite well for me back then.

  31. It reminds me about that old saying by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 0

    The one about talking to yourself. You don't have to worry about the guy who talks to himself. Worry about the guy who is arguing with himself, especially if he's losing. Same hold for talking to a computer.

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  32. More importantly by MrQuacker · · Score: 1

    If it can talk, and you smack it, what happens?

    1. Re:More importantly by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 1

      It shuts up, unlike humans.

  33. More Schizophrenic People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nowadays schizophrenic people talking to themselves while walking or being on a train are everywhere thanks to bluetooth technology. Where is the funding for mental health clinics ?

  34. The first place it needs to happen in mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's every truly going to gain acceptance on the desktop, it needs to just work for mobile. Once people get used to asking their phone for directions, or the weather, or whatever, that'll open the door to asking your desktop computer for things. And, yes, your phone can do some of this today, but it's still not quite natural speech.

  35. Watson was fed text: No speech recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watson was not able to understand any of the talking that was going on including the questions.
    He repeated another contestants answer.

  36. Unix Commands ... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Funny

    gawk; grep; unzip; touch; strip; init,
      uncompress, gasp; finger; find,
      route, whereis, which, mount; fsck; nice,
      more; yes; gasp; umount; head, halt,
      renice, restore, touch, whereis, which,
      route, mount,
      more, yes, gasp, umount, expand, ping,
      make clean; sleep

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    1. Re:Unix Commands ... by fishexe · · Score: 2

      gawk; grep; unzip; touch; strip; init, uncompress, gasp; finger; find, route, whereis, which, mount; fsck; nice, more; yes; gasp; umount; head, halt, renice, restore, touch, whereis, which, route, mount, more, yes, gasp, umount, expand, ping, make clean; sleep

      make clean before sleep? Too much work...

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    2. Re:Unix Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Technologic.... Technologic

      Man I love Daft Punk

    3. Re:Unix Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      make clean before sleep? Too much work...

      Well then, someone is either extremely disgusting, or can't really satisfy a woman.

    4. Re:Unix Commands ... by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 1

      Dude, who the fuck stole my cron job?

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    5. Re:Unix Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a Daft Punk song...

    6. Re:Unix Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, if only your post was relevant...

    7. Re:Unix Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Needs to be done like this though.

    8. Re:Unix Commands ... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Mexicans?

      They tuuk uur juubs

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    9. Re:Unix Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy it, use it, break it, fix it,
      Trash it, change it, mail - upgrade it,
      Charge it, pawn it, zoom it, press it,
      Snap it, work it, quick - erase it,
      Write it, cut it, paste it, save it,
      Load it, check it, quick - rewrite it,
      Plug it, play it, burn it, rip it,
      Drag and drop it, zip - unzip it,
      Lock it, fill it, call it, find it,
      View it, code it, jam - unlock it,
      Surf it, scroll it, pause it, click it,
      Cross it, crack it, switch - update it,
      Name it, rate it, tune it, print it,
      Scan it, send it, fax - rename it,
      Touch it, bring it, Pay it, watch it,
      Turn it, leave it, start - format it.

      In case you are thinking... WTF?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtdWHFwmd2o
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    10. Re:Unix Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..allow me to speak to my computer in bash and I'll never go back! now if we can only get a getty working in my left lobe somehow..

    11. Re:Unix Commands ... by fishexe · · Score: 1

      make clean before sleep? Too much work...

      Well then, someone is either extremely disgusting, or can't really satisfy a woman.

      Who said anything about a woman? I thought we were talking about computers...

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  37. Yell "Format C ... Yes, Yes, Yes" at work... by corsec67 · · Score: 1

    Only if the voice input was limited enough, like text input, which we have had for 10+ years, really. I can remember running a Speech to Text program on my 486 that would try to read what I was saying and turn that into a text document.

    Google Voice does the same thing for voice mail.

    Both suffer from a huge problem: accuracy. A conversation with a human doesn't need every word to be perfectly accurate, but something more than a text message is going to fail if some part of the vocal command is incorrect.

    "Did you mean 'Delete *.txt' or 'Delete startdottxt' or 'Delete start.txt'?"

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    1. Re:Yell "Format C ... Yes, Yes, Yes" at work... by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 2

      The beauty of the almighty command line, declarative programming language, and any interface with a well-defined command set is that you get exactly what you asked for, at the expense of modifying your thinking to be more exact than natural language. This is a feature. And it's one that I don't think would translate well to the spoken word. I can say

      for file in `ls -1 *.txt`; do echo something about $file; done;

      on a keyboard, but I can't even begin to thing how I could get my mouth to say that out loud, unambiguously and consistently every time.

    2. Re:Yell "Format C ... Yes, Yes, Yes" at work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Did you mean 'Delete *.txt' or 'Delete startdottxt' or 'Delete start.txt'?"

      "Delete all text files."

    3. Re:Yell "Format C ... Yes, Yes, Yes" at work... by Confusador · · Score: 1

      The accuracy issue is exactly why this is currently relevant, because we finally have an upper bound for the amount of resources required to fill in those gaps. Watson was programmed to deal with - not just inaccurate - but deliberately misleading statements. It could easily recognize that 'startdottxt' is wrong and check to see if 'start.txt' and other plausible variations exist before asking what you meant. Even then it would know how much confidence it had in what it thought you meant, so it probably wouldn't ask unless a human would. Once we can get that on a home computer, it'd be almost foolish not to use it sometimes: it'd be nice to have someone always by the stereo you could shout to to have them turn it up.

    4. Re:Yell "Format C ... Yes, Yes, Yes" at work... by artor3 · · Score: 1

      Did you say "Delete Alt-X files?"

    5. Re:Yell "Format C ... Yes, Yes, Yes" at work... by ebuck · · Score: 1

      You don't use one language to communicate in another language. The appropriate command would be "for every text file, say literal something about end literal the file's name end say."

  38. Issues by dcollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (a) Accuracy, (b) Efficiency, (c) Privacy, (d) Noise pollution.

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    1. Re:Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (a) engineering/research problem, (b) depends on the situation; what if you don't have a keyboard handy?, (c) depends on situation; would you care in your own home?, (d) see (c)

    2. Re:Issues by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Clearly you've never had the misfortune to work with a chatterbox.

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    3. Re:Issues by sean.peters · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone is saying that there's NEVER a use for voice interaction with computers. If you didn't have the use of your hands, it would be a godsend. But a - d above really are going to be issues for a lot of people in the most common computer use cases - for example, in the cube farm, or when you're working with your laptop and your spouse is in the neighboring chair trying to read a book.

  39. Honesty by NoSig · · Score: 2

    It's creepy if the computer is trying to pass itself off as a person, because fakeness in social interactions is creepy whether it's a Wallmart greeter or a computer program being fake. If the computer is plainly just presenting itself as a voice interface it won't feel creepy for very long if at all.

    1. Re:Honesty by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      If the computer is plainly just presenting itself as a voice interface it won't feel creepy for very long if at all.

      I wonder what 'plainly presenting' would mean.

      "Hey, you, yes you silly human"
      "Halt, meatbag"
      "Hello there. Hello. Here, you idiot, the black PC on your left hand."

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    2. Re:Honesty by Ganthor · · Score: 1

      Some people fail to pass themselves off as a thinking people.

      For God's sake, I've called IT help desks and call centres and had people so inept and keen to keep to their scripts that they ignore what I say. - Yes I do have examples.

      On talking to machines, I admit to not having a lot of experience here - mostly by choice. I find commands generally faster to click the buttons. (eg voice dial on my phone is much slower than finding the name in address book). As for dictation of documents....I also find the longer path from brain to my fingers gives me time to think about what I'm trying to say rather than my usual vocal ramblings.

    3. Re:Honesty by NoSig · · Score: 1

      It's not clearly definable. For example if you use those messages as a ring tone on your phone, that's not the same as your phone having a conversation with you.

  40. Uncanny Valley by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 1

    Much like the animation of human features, there's an uncanny valley in communication that can provoke a strong xenophobic response. If someone or something can respond to *some* conversation but not all conversation, it tickles something deep in my brain that produces an instinctive reflex of distrust and hostility. Watching Watson, I found that the way the interaction was framed as if it was natural conversation put me into this uncomfortable zone where I found myself thinking "KILL IT WITH FIRE" more than once.

  41. Other two contestants' incorrect responses by tepples · · Score: 1

    Watson received the other two contestants' incorrect responses via speech recognition and used them to narrow down the correct response.

    1. Re:Other two contestants' incorrect responses by fishexe · · Score: 1

      Watson received the other two contestants' incorrect responses via speech recognition and used them to narrow down the correct response.

      Apparently not very well...

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    2. Re:Other two contestants' incorrect responses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watson received the other two contestants' incorrect responses via speech recognition and used them to narrow down the correct response.

      That directly contradicts what that I have read from other sources.

      Sorry, I don't have time to cite references, but try searching for a complete discussion of what happened in the "missing hand / missing leg" incident.

      In that incident, Watson gave an answer that would have been acceptable IF his answer was taken in context with Ken's previous incorrect answer. At first, Trebek had awarded the points to Watson, but then later realized that Watson was incapable of receiving input from the other contestants' wrong answers -- and therefore Watson's response needed to be re-interpreted in a purely stand-alone manner. That re-interpretation resulted in Trebek taking the points away from Watson. (The entire incident was edited out, and we only saw Watson lose the question.)

    3. Re:Other two contestants' incorrect responses by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Watson did not receive incorrect answers in any form. It received correct answers (in text) after they were given, which it used to help understand the category better.

  42. I Sometimes Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if I was the only person paying attention at the start of those Jeopardy episodes. They stated clearly that the questions were fed to "Watson" as a plain text file. There was no speech recognition involved at all.

  43. Push to talk by tepples · · Score: 1

    CB radios have long solved this: push to talk. Squeeze the mic when you want to give a voice command.

    1. Re:Push to talk by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      It seems like that removes the biggest advantage to voice: the ability to command a computer from across the room.

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  44. overcoming the creepy factor by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

    I think people find it "creepy" because they've never done it. If it was implemented well on most computers, people would get so accustomed and welcome to it that it would be a huge step back for them to go back to manual input.

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    1. Re:overcoming the creepy factor by xnpu · · Score: 1

      This, beyond anything else, was the purpose of this Jeopardy show off.

      Note that this machine's real purpose is medical diagnosis and that the healthcare bill puts a lot of pressure on lowering costs, including that of diagnosis.

    2. Re:overcoming the creepy factor by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      Fractal Dice, the poster above this comment, laid it out properly I think. There's a gap between the conversation with humans and with computers, and that's the understanding and natural response that you can have with the former but not the latter. Compare Watson with JARVIS from Iron Man - while one could only respond to questions in a detached way, the other understands context and replies with the comprehension of another human. Without that natural flow in conversation, something in your brain tags the speaker with distrust and you instantly feel an expanse.

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  45. Computer...computer? by beadfulthings · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I, of course, am now officially older than dirt. A couple of years ago, when I finally got my iPhone, I got the Google search app of course. I used it, it worked, I liked it. When I put the damned phone down, I thought, "If somebody had handed me this when I was fourteen I would have thought it was a phony Hollywood prop." That was when I decided that computers should only be addressed by means of picking up the mouse, pressing one of its buttons, and speaking clearly and distinctly into it in a fake Scottish accent.

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    1. Re:Computer...computer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A keyboard? How quaint!

  46. AI the movie by PaddyM · · Score: 1

    I thought the movie AI actually was pretty good at wondering about this very thought. If you haven't seen the movie, I thought it was very thought provoking on the idea about what the world might be like if computers ever became super advanced.

    1. Re:AI the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to append 'and then the script writers couldn't think of an ending so they got high'.

    2. Re:AI the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close. It's more a matter of Kubrick worked on the script on and off for something like 40 years. Then Kubrick died and Spielberg, not fully understanding the austere beauty of the Kubrick unresolved plot, pasted on an ending. That being said, while I believe it detracted from the movie, it probably made the movie much more profitable in the short run.

      So, from what I know about the two writers a more accurate assesment would have been:
      And then the script writer was no longer the type who even thought about getting high, so he couldn't come up with a good ending, but still laughed all the way to the bank.

    3. Re:AI the movie by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      More like Stanley Kubrick had a really good idea and Stephen Spielberg did his best to ruin it by going on way too long after the ending.

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  47. Eventually, not now by saikou · · Score: 1

    There are voice actions already, but it takes so much more computational power to make it really-really fast, recognize any accent (which google is having a very hard time with right now) take context into account, and be able to intelligently ask user for clarification. So, I guess in about 5-10 years it will get to the point of Star Trek, where you can address computer and not worry about speech pattern or performing deletion of all files when you said "delay all files".

    Generally voice interface is more efficient when we can't type/select something or when a short-hand is too difficult to program.
    Examples -- car systems and hands-free phones ("Call John Smith at work"/"Navigate to 12th street" - until autopilot works flawlessly typing that stuff is difficult), directories, where saying a name would be faster than flipping though a large list without knowing how exactly it's spelled.

    If you can type, it's faster to press control-o and click enter than say "Computer: open last used file" and get a confirmation. But if you don't know shortcuts and having difficulty with movement, speech recognition is already your only option.

    For typing I'd rather prefer a neural short-hand: you don't bother family (or are forced to lock yourself in a soundproof room to dictate a large amount of text) and you eliminate the slowest part of your "think -> type -> text" route.

  48. the phone based systems that use this suck and som by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    the phone based systems that use this suck and some times you need to go nuts on it just to get a real person.

  49. Going the wrong way pal by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Quantizing instructions into unambiguous, 100% clear communication is the pride and joy of the push-button. Vocal communication, especially natural language communication is fraught with ambiguity.

    Think about it this way. Listen to your own conversations with humans for the next week. Count how many times you or your listener asks "say that again", "can you repeat that", "what do you mean by that". Then watch how many keystrokes you miss in the same week.

    I'm cool with a button that launches a nuclear warhead. I'm really cool with a button behind a cover. And I'm super cool with a button behind glass and a hammer to break the glass. I'm frightenned if the button is voice-activated -- even if the cover and glass and hammer are voice activated too.

    But think about the benefits of going the other way. If you could push a button to tell someone to do something. Wow. They'd call it text messaging.

    Incidentally, welcome to written instructions -- which went typed for improved clarity and legibility. There's a reason that contracts are composed in text, and not in speech. Could you imagine a voice recording of a contract?

    But there are plenty of voice-activated solutions to computer interaction. Dragon Naturally Speaking is one of the most reknowned. I used it in 1996, and it's become way better since. Use it for a week, and you'll discover that your own voice ins't anywhere near as efficient as ten fingers. And you'll find that you don't speak clearly at all -- and that your friends and family just guess what you're talking about, because it never really mattered before.

    Think of all of the food you've ordered at restaurants, and the number of times the server mis-heard you, and brought the wrong something. Now remember that using a computer is about giving thousands of discrete commands in a given hour. Take the same percentage, and tell me how many times your computer is going to mis-hear you. That's how annoying it'll be.

    Oh yeah. Background music makes that even worse.

    Think about driving with voice commands -- turn how much left how quickly?

    But you can easily simulate this. Get a friend. Have them use the computer, and you tell them what you want -- in commands that would be unambiguous if they heard you correctly. Try it for a full work day. See if they open the correct applications, hit the roght commands, and do the right stuff. You'll find that vocal communication is about conveying abstract thought and complex concepts, not directions nor instructions.

    Which is why technical writing like operation manuals and really good recipe books are a very different kind of reading. And then you'll see the ikea picture/glyph instructions, which make even less sense.

  50. Wrong Approach. by crhylove · · Score: 1

    Voice recognition has taken the wrong approach from the beginning. The computer listens all the time, then tries to decipher a command in the middle of all kinds of stuff. That's unrealistic. If you gave it a name, an unusual name phonetically (Like "Esmerelda") and only had it follow a command after it heard it's name, then turn off again, then I think we could have working voice recognition RIGHT NOW. "Esmerelda, check my email" "You have 7 new messages". "Esmerelda, play music" Then poof Audacious opens up and plays some mp3s.

    Can somebody build this app and put it in the Linux Mint repos please? Thanks in advance.

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    1. Re:Wrong Approach. by webdog314 · · Score: 1

      Apple has had that as an option for about a decade.

    2. Re:Wrong Approach. by geogob · · Score: 1

      More like two decades ago...

      But I also remember having conversation near the computer and from time to time hearing the speech recognition beep... followed by the trash sound. That was always a bit unsettling. I didn't take long for me to stop using this feature.

    3. Re:Wrong Approach. by coolmadsi · · Score: 1

      You mean like on Star Trek? They'd say things like "Computer, do XYZ", or "Computer, what is ABC?". I think everytime they started with "Computer" the computer beeped to indicate it was ready to receive a command before they said their command.

  51. Philips dragon engine by santax · · Score: 1

    Back in the days (must be at least 10 years ago by now) I used the dragon engine from philips to control my pc. To be honest, it had a cool factor but got old soon. Not only was it quite inaccurate at the time, but I found it to be slow in comparison with just mouseclicks. Besides, at night when the family sleeps I don't want to be making to much sounds.

  52. Computers by jorgensonderrick · · Score: 1

    is it possible to talk with an computer. I could not recognized

  53. TNG Commands ... by bronney · · Score: 2, Insightful

    tea, earl grey, hot :D

    1. Re:TNG Commands ... by clickety6 · · Score: 2

      Only in an American show would you have to specify HOT Earl Grey tea. After all, you wouldn't ask for "popsicle, lemon, cold"

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    2. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pron, earl gay, hot :)

    3. Re:TNG Commands ... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I always thought it was odd that they used verbal commands for the replicator. Probably because nobody thought it through and the writers knew zippo about science (in Trek, shocking I know). Imagine the bridge of "The Next Generation" Enterprise where all the crew are using verbal communication with their computers instead of those ridiculously low-tech keyboards and monitors.

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    4. Re:TNG Commands ... by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      And why say "Tea"? Earl Grey tea...as opposed to what? Earl Grey bread? Earl Grey cheese? Henry George Grey, The 3rd Earl Grey? The 24th century scares me...

    5. Re:TNG Commands ... by bronney · · Score: 1

      It'd sound like dim sum lol :D

    6. Re:TNG Commands ... by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Not mention the vagueness of "hot" and "cold". Star Trek could have been far more entertaining if each episode featured Picard getting a face-full of super-heated steam in a cup.

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    7. Re:TNG Commands ... by Terrasque · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, so you didn't see that episode..

      By mistake he just said "Earl Gray, hot" - and spent the rest of the show running from a rather flustered older gentleman.

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    8. Re:TNG Commands ... by cfriedt · · Score: 1

      Captain's log. Star date 1234567.
      While exploring the surface of planet Z today, I met an interesting life-form. He introduced me to his girlfriend. You can probably guess the rest.

    9. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With lots of COCK!

    10. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iced_tea

    11. Re:TNG Commands ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      There was one episode with a romulan defector, and then the replicators did ask for an exact temperature (and couldn't do simple unit conversion). Presumably this means that Picard has configured his replicator preferences to specify what hot means, and maybe he also has an 'iced' setting. Why he didn't make 'hot' the default is anyone's guess. Given how rarely he orders anything else, you'd have thought he'd just make the replicator in his ready room produce a cup of tea every time he approached it - it's not like it takes very long to disintegrate the tea and replace it with something else if he didn't want tea...

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    12. Re:TNG Commands ... by laughing_badger · · Score: 2

      They locked 'popsicle' out of the computer after Riker snuck up behind someone and yelled "Rectally!", just after someone got as far as "lemon".

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    13. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the diversity of the Enterprise D crew, you wouldn't want to make such assumptions in the system design ("there's an Angry Klingon calling the helpdesk" :)

      However I'd be little disappointed if a computer system which can "compensate" for Heisenberg's uncertainty principle couldn't remember my preference for tea...

    14. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never really understood that aspect of TNG's computer commands and Picard's use of them. What, the guy is in starfleet for decades, apparently never drinking any other flavor of tea, but he doesn't code a verbal alias to equate "tea" with "tea, early gray, hot"?

    15. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't at least most of them have brain implants to, sort of, telepathically communicate with the ship and other crew mates.
      Granted, Most of the show would have been done in complete silence. Lot of grunts, facial expressions, and shuffling about with subtitles. Wait, I know. They are only mute while plotting in the presence of opposing characters. They choose to continue use of their vocal chords for 2 reasons. Communicating with children too young for the implant because their brains are still growing and communication with non-implant species.

      (Of course, They all speak English and the ship goes woosh in space with audible explosions.)

    16. Re:TNG Commands ... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      only in america? you don't travel much? Iced tea is enjoyed all over the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iced_tea

    17. Re:TNG Commands ... by ebuck · · Score: 1

      Only in an American show would you have to specify HOT Earl Grey tea. After all, you wouldn't ask for "popsicle, lemon, cold"

      You have obviously never interacted with the military supply nomenclature.

    18. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the difference is those of us who like our tea luke warm instead of hot.

    19. Re:TNG Commands ... by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Damn it man, you just made me burst into laughter during an important albeit boring online meeting!
      (I'm fairly sure I heard a voice whispering "Humiliation!" in the background during the awkward silence that followed)

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    20. Re:TNG Commands ... by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

      Now I will go find a spoon and try to gouge out my mind's eye.

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    21. Re:TNG Commands ... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Patrick Stewart is a well-respected British actor. Don't you think that if this was absurd, he would have pointed this out himself? He specified it as "hot" because it was a computer, not a human who would know his preference. It does seem silly that he wouldn't simply tell the computer he always wants it "hot", but perhaps he also has a "warm" preference that is a little cooler and the writers simply never bothered to use that because they figured only pedantic Europeans would care.

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    22. Re:TNG Commands ... by Espen · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been served tea in America? You know the kind where someone has splashed some hot water in a cold cup and left the tea-bag on the side, so that by the time it gets to you all you can do is dunk the poor thing in some luke warm water and hope for some tannins seep out for some token coloration of your tepid water? I bet the reason JLP orders it that way is because that is how poor Patrick Stewart had to specify it every day to get something drinkable.

    23. Re:TNG Commands ... by laughing_badger · · Score: 1

      :) I've done that due to a well phrased email subject in an actual physical meeting before.

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    24. Re:TNG Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens then if I ask it for a "popsicle, Earl Grey, shaken not stirred"? (and the ship goes dark.....)

      Press 1 for Universal Translator.....

  54. Wildfire - a good voice system. by Animats · · Score: 1

    There have been good voice-based systems. Wildfire (audio demo) was a really nice voice controlled phone system. The original version, from the late 1990s, used a lot of CPU time and Wildfire accounts were very expensive, about $5 to $10 a day. As CPU power got cheaper, the technology became more available, and Orange offered it on mobiles for a while. Then Microsoft bought the technology, Microsoft never did much with it, although part of it ended up in OnStar Virtual Advisor.

  55. You can! by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 1

    I was thinking to myself how much I would like to be able to even tell my computer to open programs by telling it vocally.

    Then do so; Windows Vista/7 has out-of-the-box speed recognition with the ability to launch programs once it is sufficiently trained to your voice.

  56. But... by ysth · · Score: 1

    OS/2 is dead. I thought everyone knew that.

  57. What's so "scary"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scary is certainly not how I would describe it. What is so "scary" about it? Anyone who is trembling in fear about speaking to a machine which simply is parsing/processing what is said (and possibly providing feedback in the same manner) needs a reality check.

    If it's more efficient and conductive to the environment, go for it. If not then don't.

  58. Already possible by sirdude · · Score: 1

    Opera already provides a speech interface. Mobile phones routinely provide voice dialling and similar functionality. This technology is already here. Neither is it reliable enough nor is it more efficient than just using a mouse/keyboard. I expect that the main driver behind this is accessibility rather than UX. As for the computer talking back, it's a lot easier to get the computer to say something rather than get it to process human speech input.

  59. Home automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a similar discussion recently - at the bar, of course. The general consensus was that this sort of technology would find itself a nice niche in home automation. Being able to host a party and say "House, Dave here thinks (insert socio-political concept here) means X. Is that true?" and have a disembodied computer voice say "No. According to available sources it means Y," in addition to "House, play Charlie Parker half-volume and dim the lights" would be great.

  60. Not listening by xnpu · · Score: 1

    Eh, you do realize it wasn't actually listening right? The questions were entered through old-fashioned typed text (off screen obviously), not much different from how you would type something on Wolfram Alpha or even Google. The point of the demo was to show of it's capability to search and analyze a huge data set, not it's voice recognition or processing.

    Also keep in mind that the eventual purpose of this beast is to diagnose patients. The show is an important part in making the general public more comfortable with machines instead of doctors telling them what's wrong and what to do about it.

  61. Culture and human elements are key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is not technology. The problem is the relationship we wish to have with our technology.

    If I want to deal with a nail, I have two options: use a hammer and do it myself, or I could hire someone else to deal with it. Both methods entail a certain amount of power. In the first case, I have the power because it is my own skill and my decisions, my own abilities which complete the action. In the second case, it is my power over others that compels the action to be completed.

    Computers can be our tools, amplifying our actions and decisions, allowing us to do things that we could not do unaided. Or computers can be our servants and assistants, performing actions on our behalf, achieving the goals we set out, but following machine decisions and using hidden processes to achieve those goals. These are two very different types of relationships. Physical manipulation emphasizes the computer as a tool. Voice interaction emphasizes the computer as a servant. Culture and aesthetics will determine whether we want to talk to our computers—not technology.

    1. Re:Culture and human elements are key by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      Prophetic words. Methinks most of the posters here are looking at the ever-receding past, not the future which laps at our ankles even now.

  62. Because it knows all by Tiger_Storms · · Score: 1

    I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to talk a computer. First off it would know everything, and if it doesn't know the answer it there's the internet at it's ports to find the information. so what would be the point in communicating with one other than to have it do something you can't? I wouldn't find it weird that a computer could one day be teaching my kids in school but to realistically believe that you could have a conversation with one and it would respond in a non robotic response is laughable, in this day in age and I'm sure most people would be afraid of it. Hollywood doesn't paint a pretty picture for computers that can talk back And for most of the people I talk to on the phones who seem to have never grasped that computer are going to be around and you need to know how to use one or your going to get left behind I'm sure would be afraid of anything they can't comprehend and would love to just blow them up and go back to the stone age.

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  63. Brain enhancement prosthetic, not another person by gig · · Score: 1

    You can tell a Mac to open programs and many other things by voice for well over 10 years now, and almost nobody uses it. You can tell an iPhone to make calls and many other things by voice for about 2 years now, and people use it only when forced, like when driving.

    I think one reason this kind of thing is unpopular is it makes us realize how stupid computers are. Not even as smart as a small child. You have to construct your sentences even more carefully.

    But I think the main reason it's unpopular is the computer is a brain enhancement prosthetic for our own brain, not another person's brain. It is a part of us. We don't want to hear the other half of our brain or our brain enhancement prosthetic talk to us.

    However, I think we are willing to anthropomorphize some programs. For example, people do that with Google. That is a separate brain you call out to and ask a question.

  64. i do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on my android devices already. hold the search key say "not to self" and an email box pops-up i say my message and it email's me, say "send sms to mom, message" and it sends "message" to mom i would love to have similar functionality on my pc. i can see it now 15-20 years "PC load half-life episode 3" "error not released yet"

  65. Natural Interface by fishexe · · Score: 1

    On the contrary, I think it's the most natural way to interact with a computer. Back when science fiction authors first started trying to imagine what computers of the future would be like, they almost always imagined speech to be the interface. It was only experience, with the primitive 20th-century interfaces that we had, that habituated people to thinking that keyboards and mice were the way to interact with a computer. The command line and GUI are un-natural ways to communicate, which we've gotten used to; speech is a natural way to communicate, which (in the context of human-machine communication) we've gotten un-used to.

    (Note: I actually find CLI and GUI to offer many advantages over speech interfaces and don't expect them to ever go away now that we have them...however, if speech processing had been practical as the next step after punch cards, I don't believe CLI or GUI would ever have been developed, at least not as primary interfaces with the amount of depth they have today)

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  66. Still waiting for the "killer-app" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consider that in everyday human interactions, very little is actually spoken which depends on total accuracy. A great deal of human speech is intended to convey a point of view, rather than dictate a command. How often do we state, "I'm hungry. Where do you want to go for lunch?" Does this sentence have any meaning for a computer? Even when we limit our computer interactions to data entry, the human voice is still non-ideal. Consider how tedious and error-prone a conversation between actual humans can be while attempting to give directions to your home. We often repeat and confirm information over the telephone, as well. Add to that, the fact that languages are not constant and few, if any, humans speak precisely and use words accurately based on their accepted definitions.

    Today, most computers present information visually, so its not a leap to expect the input to happen visually as well. GUIs present lots of information simultaneously, and we select from the visible targets with a simple click. Visual display seems to demand visual input - not verbal input. Visual interfaces are also highly stateful. We move things around, toggle things, check and uncheck things, etc. We don't have to remember this myriad of states because we can use our eyes to keep ourselves apprised of the computer's state. A conversational interface, on the other hand, would require the user to keep track of states without a visual aide. This may be too much to ask. The applications should therefore be stateless - single query, single response. (I'm skipping over certain hybrid applications, such as navigation systems, which could accept verbal command and respond visually)

    In other words, we need to limit vocal interaction to applications which don't require a lot of output, as opposed to applications which depend on a screen full of information. Applications that eliminate the visual display are, by nature, simple UIs because there is no medium to present complex data. This suggests that verbal interfaces are well suited to tasks that can be completed in a short amount of time. Ex: "Computer! Where is the nearest hospital?" "The nearest hospital is 2 blocks ahead on the left-hand side." Verbal interfaces are well suited to these types of information query interactions. For most other things, verbal interfaces fall short.

    I suspect that in the long run, history will repeat itself. The punch card gave way to the command line, which gave way to the GUI, which will give way to the talking computer. Each iteration made the previous less useful to the general computer user. I'm talking about consumers here, not computer enthusiasts. Enthusiasts still use the command line, but pair it with the mouse for certain special tasks, such as selecting blocks of text. GUI enthusiasts will find uses for voice input which augment the clicking experience. The rest of the population, who may only use computers for narrow purposes: to social network, watch videos, and search for answers to questions; will find it much easier to get away from their desks and use a talking interface for these tasks.

    "Oh my God! Computer! Unfriend Becky!"

  67. Adjustment by xclr8r · · Score: 1

    I'm sure people were scared to get into a horseless carriage at one point, since there was no horse. Frickin' horseless carriages how do they work?

    Anyways now people are scared to get on horses. I assume the day will come when people are not only scared of using command line interfaces but also using a computer that only has kb and mouse inputs instead of audio or some other "new" input method.

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  68. Adventures in Speech Recognition by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    My first experiences with speech recognition began back around 1990. A computer company I worked for was experimenting with voice control. After being misinterpreted repeatedly, the person trying to use it would inevitably adopt a tone that was either (A) pleading, or (B) infuriated. It was always entertaining to listen to, and my favourite joke of yelling "FORMAT C COLON! YES! YES!" over the cubicle wall never lost its hilarity for me.

    Then there was the submarine simulation game I purchased, which taught me that, contrary to my expectations, short utterances were more frequently misinterpreted than longer phrases. I recall giving the succinct command to "DIVE", to which the game responded "We don't have a periscope sir".

    I was impressed when dictation products like "Naturally Speaking" came along, but ultimately decided that even 98% accuracy wasn't good enough. Correcting two percent of things that are recognized incorrectly is tiresome, and negates any time saving you would have gained.

    Today I use voice dialing on a number of so-called "smart phones", and the frustration is about the same as it was 20 years ago. I need to deliberately mispronounce my own surname when trying to call family members, and mimicking the phone's own mispronunciation of my name doesn't help.

    I think were still a long ways away from having any meaningful (non-aggravating) chats with our computers

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  69. Watson was sent text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the IBM Watson did not hear the words and convert them to text, he (it) was sent text at the same tie the ??? was displayed on screen for ppl to see/read.. but ya if computers could get things right like Watson then it would be nice to have on speed dial to ask ?? to.. but lets be clear asking IT ??? is not talking, chating nor even close to having a conversation as that takes thought insight, opinion and a point of view.. something even Watson lacks.

  70. beware by kdougherty · · Score: 0

    Today: Opening nano by talking to your computer. Tomorrow: Hiding in the mountains from terminators.

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  71. It's not scary... by NitroWolf · · Score: 1

    It's not scary because it's not really possible. Even Watson had the questions input before hand - and if a whole show that is dedicated to the process can't even produce a computer that can be communicated to in natural English, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions?), there's no way the average consumer is going to have a system capable of understanding them in a natural environment.

    We simply aren't there yet. Talking to a computer is at best a frustrating, inaccurate experience. You get better concept recognition out of a 2 year old than you do out of a computer as a general rule. Specific situations and specific topics are/can be well understood by computers, but beyond that, computers aren't even close. Heck, I don't even know of a computer that can parse written natural English with anything approaching a 7 or 8 year old's ability to understand what's being discussed. With the vagueries of speech added in, a computer has no chance currently.

    So is it scary? No, merely frustrating or curious/interesting at best. Useful or functional? Only in limited situations. I will be happy to talk to my computer when it can understand what I say with the same confidence level as an average adult, but until then, it's easier/faster/more efficient to communicate with the computer in a method IT can understand.

  72. Whole house computer? by jasno · · Score: 1

    A couple of years ago I thought about gluing a whole-house mic system to a text-to-speech engine, allowing me to do simple queries like 'define ', 'weather tomorrow', 'traffic on I-15'... Give the system a unique name ('squizzlesauce?') and make that the key for temporarily enabling speech recognition("squizzlesauce, what's the weather like tomorrow"). Whip up a few scripts to glue the voice-recognition engine to google, a TTS engine for parsing and speaking web results... Then I got a laptop with WiFi and lost the need.

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  73. Do want! by jevring · · Score: 1

    I've wanted something like this for a long time. I want to be able to post questions to my computer, such as "when was such-and-such a film made?", or "when was such-and-such a person born?". Questions that you could fairly easily look up yourself, but if you're, say, in teh kitchen, and the computer is in the other room, you want to be able to throw the question out there and get a response. I tried to write something like this myself, but unless you specify a grammar (which is difficult if you want to include freeform words like people's names and the names of movies and books etc), then the speech recognition is simply terrible. I tried two libraries (or was it three?) and they all had similarly horrible results. With a pre-defined grammar they did great. Without one, the results were atrocious.

    tl;dr: I want it, but I can't seem to get it to work.

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  74. Unintended choices by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

    I dictated some technical documentation using Vista Voice Recognition. It works OK if you are trying to tell a story like "The Three Little Pigs" but when you try to do something technical it will loose its mind. It was almost impossible to dictate in Word. I would be speaking and say a word that had a possible command meaning and off to the races we would go.

    For example I would say something "be careful of the formatting here.." and the formatting function in Word would come up. If you ever need to use this function, try using Notepad rather than Word. Also when running, it seemed to spend so much time trying to figure out what command you wanted that it was slow in Word. God help you if you were writing a book to describe how to use Word.

    They need a feature to turn the command interpretation off. Not sure if this is an issue on the Mac as I had not yet tried it on that machine.

    1. Re:Unintended choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voice recognition is shit. For example, it confuses 'lose" and "loose", which is just fucking retarded.

    2. Re:Unintended choices by sean.peters · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there.

  75. Still exists, still sucks by atari2600a · · Score: 1

    Back when I was demoing Windows 7 on one of my machines, I tried to get it's built-in voice recognition working, which I DID, but it was butchered beyond usability. Ironically, the simpler low-tech voice recognition in my (at the time) Windows Mobile 6.5 phone worked beautifully! "Call mom" "Play the beatles", etc, it all worked w/o error.

  76. not "creepy" but "useless and annoying" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone who thinks that this would be "creepy" clearly has never tried to use a voice recognition system. Voice recognition has been around for decades, and it's always been, not simply a pipe dream, but an actual con-job. For a while in the late eighties companies were coming out with voice recognition systems as general front ends to personal computers, almost always pitched as "executive" or "home" interfaces (because the computer can respond to speech, even an executive or housewife can use it!). The products looked great at demos, but were utterly useless in the real world.

    The saving grace (such as it is) or voice recognition came when the systems were re-targeted at automated phone systems ("void response systems") where they appear to have some minimal functionality (though, maybe that functionality is to make the VRS so painful to use that your customers will do anything to avoid calling the customer service line: presto, lower customer service costs!). At least the discovery of a paying market for voice recognition distracted the purveyors of such products from preying on unwary business people or private citizens.

    In conclusion: yes, many people have thought it would be cool to be able to talk to their computers, rather than suffering through (literally) manual interfaces, but the cool-factor wears off rapidly when they get their hands on a real voice recognition system and try to do anything productive with it.

  77. A new way to work an HTPC, maybe? by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

    For general purpose computing, no way would I develop something like this. Hack it into a media center though, then we're talking. One less remote to loose. Just say out loud what you want playing and enjoy. Maybe add in stock quotes or how the local forecast is as well.

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  78. Open plan / cube farm by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    Speaking as someone who has worked in open plan offices and cubicles, this must be the daftest idea ever.

    Why don't they rather concentrate on getting a "thought interface" working?

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    1. Re:Open plan / cube farm by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      You got it wrong. Cube farms are the daftest idea ever.

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  79. Nice idea. Doesn't work. by gordguide · · Score: 1

    Oh, it might work some of the time. But recognizing speech ... as compared to memorizing a bunch of data and humiliating the puny memory of human Jeopardy contestants ... is a massively complex task that humans do very, very well, and machines do only within very finite limits. Go outside those limits ... say, set up voice recognition on a quiet Sunday and then try to use it on a busy Monday with people, machines and the air conditioner on ... and it craps out. Get a cold ... it craps out. Change your mood ... it always shows in your voice and humans get it instantly ... and it craps out.

    I bought a cellphone once. Not that long ago ...about five years. It was a Pay-As-You-Go phone you load up with minutes from time to time. This was with Bell (Canada). Loaded it up with minutes, made some calls, I'm a happy camper. Until I ran out of minutes, that is.

    About this time Bell had some fancy, multimillion-dollar software and computer thing going. They'd been working on it for years. It was a voice recognition thing. They decided it was ready for prime time, and implemented it for voice calls to their support and ... Pay-As-You-Go phone minute reloading. I remember reading an article in the Globe & Mail (Toronto) with some Bell exec saying this was the greatest thing since individually wrapped cheeze in slices, Bell execs were so proud of this they were bragging about it in public, and it's the way they would be going system wide, as of ... right this very second.

    Now, being a sociopathic corporation, they concluded they would not be able to fire a bunch of phone answering employees if nobody used it. Naturally, the way to do this was to eliminate ... completely ... any method to get a human on the phone for certain tasks ... like adding minutes to your Pay-As-You-Go phone, and also eliminating the old, alternate method using the phone keypad, which worked PERFECTLY. That's right ... you could not enter a CC number using the keypad, you could not talk to a human, you talked to this ***BITCH*** (... oops, sorry ) ... "computer generated sweet female voice" ... to renew your minutes.

    Well, I tried. It actually worked, sort of. (See "Oh, it might work some of the time", above). But there were a number of steps that had to be done, and no matter how much I tried, really, really tried, this ***STunned C*NT*** (... oops, sorry) ... "computer generated sweet female voice" ... would eventually utter the dreaded words " I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Please try again." Of course, after three tries, she hangs up on you. Nice.

    Well, at that point, you're done.

    I probably made 30 calls to this robo-torture-queen before I finally just gave up. Couldn't return the phone, since it worked for the first two months before I ran out of minutes. Bell had no way ... I mean this ... to speak to a human about this. They cut off any and all methods to actual resolution ... I did send eMails, got answers, but the answer was this " use the robo-bitch. It's the only way. There are no humans available for the Pay-As-You-Go phone system. This eMail isn't even from them, since they don't accept eMails in that department either. Sorry."

    Sold the phone. Put the loss I couldn't recover on the phone into my "Never Again, and this is why" file. Needless to say, Bell Canada has no chance of ever having me as a customer without employing some illegal scheme involving an offer of many, many blowjobs from a suitably attractive and youthful female "contract employee".

    A few months later, Bell moved back to the old methods that actually worked, like using the phone's keypad. Idiots.

    Now, some might say "that was five years ago" and you

    1. Re:Nice idea. Doesn't work. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      it's a good option if you can only talk, can't move your eyes, can't move your eyelids, can't move any finger at all etc, but if you could talk.

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  80. One does not speak to Watson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you read this article (posted on /.) about Watson carefully, you will find that Watson did not interpret spoken language. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-16/don-t-read-this-unless-you-want-to-know-if-ibm-won-jeopardy-.html

    "The computer received questions through typed entries at the same time as host Alex Trebek read them out loud."

  81. Forget the Computer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Is it un-natural to talk to a computer?

    I'm not that interested in talking to the computer. I can type faster than I can talk and as has been mentioned a room full of people talking to their computer would be annoying.

    I would like to talk to my house. I'd say something like "Wake me up at 6:45" which would lead to:
    6:45am - some music I like starts playing, probably something engergising that tempts me to get up.
    6:47am - my lamp turns on (but only if its winter and 6:45 is dark)
    6:47am - curtains open to let the day in
    6:50am - coffee is ready
    6:50am - house tells me coffee is ready, subtly reminding me that I haven't got up yet

    What I'm getting at here is that I want everyday "things" to understand what I mean and act in a sensible way. To me that's what Watson is all about.

    Andrew

    PS: in the old days, people had a secretary that they used to dictate their typing to. Offices were still OK to work in despite all of the talking.

  82. Probably by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    I asked my Roomba, and she told me that it's a sign of mental instability.

  83. Keep it under control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So long as the uses are limited, it could be useful. Yesterday I was scanning a large number of papers with voice recognition. The scanner and computer are positioned awkwardly so being able to say "scan" and have it scan without moving was useful. But then my flatmate turned on his music and that stopped working. :(

  84. dumb down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, slashdot is losing it badly. I mean, we're supposed to be cultured techies right? Most of us know something about AI both technologically and philosophically.

    Who is this pathetic attempt to provoke a discussion aimed at?
    Not me!

  85. It is easy to call the phone comapny by cdn-programmer · · Score: 1

    it is easy to call phone companies.... real easy. They usually have an investor relations department so just call them. They also usually have a legal department and usually they are quite good at answering the phone. Its just the rest of the whole companies typically which stink.

    Last time I had a run in... I called the legal department and advised that if they didn't deal with me I would file and then they would have to deal with me. They dealt with me and I didn't need to file. But no one else in the comapny was that nice.

    1. Re:It is easy to call the phone comapny by gordguide · · Score: 1

      Oh, I could call them. They had humans in the commercial accounts, in the contract phone support departments, and a few other places. I did talk to them about it, actually (aside from the eMail conversations in the original post). What you couldn't do is add minutes to the phone by calling them. And I had one of their prepaid cards ... I just had to enter the number. To the robot. No other way. Really.

  86. Talking to yourself by AmicoToni · · Score: 1

    The reason why talking to your computer is somewhat creepy is that we do perceive our computer as an extension of ourselves: the mouse pointer is "us" pointing, Google is an extension of our memory recall power, and so on. The interface is designed to be non-intrusive. Now, talking to your computer would become like talking to yourself. It's mildly creepy since it involves in the best case a split personality, or alternatively the feeling that you are the one who doesn't know squat, and has to ask to someone else. Not nice.
    The approach is conceivably different when you ask "Earl Grey, hot". In that case you just give a command in order to receive an item, and who wouldn't want that?

  87. Computer! by Grapplebeam · · Score: 1

    Do not read this article!

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  88. Denholm's computer by kikito · · Score: 1

    It has been able to understand speech for some time now. It just doesn't answer, because it needs a driver upgrade.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUE6FVK1zJE

  89. Daft Punk Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Buy it, use it, break it, fix it,
    Trash it, change it, mail - upgrade it,
    Charge it, pawn it, zoom it, press it,
    Snap it, work it, quick - erase it,
    Write it, cut it, paste it, save it,
    Load it, check it, quick - rewrite it,
    Plug it, play it, burn it, rip it,
    Drag and drop it, zip - unzip it,
    Lock it, fill it, call it, find it,
    View it, code it, jam - unlock it,
    Surf it, scroll it, pause it, click it,
    Cross it, crack it, switch - update it,
    Name it, rate it, tune it, print it,
    Scan it, send it, fax - rename it,
    Touch it, bring it, Pay it, watch it,
    Turn it, leave it, start - format it.

    1. Re:Daft Punk Commands ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erase me!
      Erase me!
      Erase me!

  90. why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    people are talking to themselves, to cats, dogs, birds. I call THAT creepy.
    entering commands via voice would be nice as an additional option. I would not like to do it in public, though.

  91. passwords by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sitting at a Starbucks:

    -Computer, open my bank account.
    -Which one?
    -Bank of America
    -That's a stupid bank account to have, they are broke
    -Not as long as Bernanke keeps bailing them out.
    -Fine. But your dollars are crap.
    -Whatever. Open it.
    -It wants your password.o!
    -12345
    -So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!
    -Remind me to change the combination on my luggage. And what's the balance on the account?.
    -15 bucks
    -Yaho! I am gonna buy me a mouse and I'll make you shut up!

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    A day later:

    -Computer, open my bank account
    -Same stupid account as yesterday?
    -Shut up and open it, and what's the balance?
    -Negative 1000
    -????!!!!

    1. Re:passwords by icebraining · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Reminds me of Phillip Dick's Ubik:

      The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please."
      He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again hetried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you."
      "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt.
      "In his desk drawer he found the contract; since signing it he had found it necessary to refer to the document many times. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.
      "You discover I'm right," the door said. It sounded smug.
      From the drawer beside the sink Joe Chip got a stainless steel knife; with it he began systematically to unscrew the bolt assembly of his apt's money-gulping door.
      "I'll sue you," the door said as the first screw fell out.
      Joe Chip said, "I've never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it."

    2. Re:passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did you think that lame-ass shit up all by yourself?

      Do you sit around fantasizing about such interactions with your computer or something?

    3. Re:passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yet you read it and found it fascinating enough to comment.

    4. Re:passwords by Skater · · Score: 1

      Who can forget this Dilbert?

  92. Online chat bots by Deb-fanboy · · Score: 1

    There have been chat bots online for a while now, elbot http://www.elbot.com/ is an amusing example. When the chatbots develop so that they pass the Turing Test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test then this will be a comfort to lonely nerds everywhere. Actually it can be fun to chat to chatbots, it is interesting when they are realistic.

  93. No by whoisisis · · Score: 1

    It's not creepy. Just remember that whenever a computer appears to do a fancy or intelligent thing, it is only because a human instructed it to do so.

  94. Talking (to) computers by WahCheng · · Score: 1

    Yep, It's fine. Tell 'em what to do. They will be able to understand us. Great. Until the bastards initiate the conversation and start ordering us around.....

  95. Glaswegian accent & VoxForge by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Many humans can't understand the dialect from my native region, the efforts of every speech recognition system I have come across so far has been laughably pitiful.

    Note, you can personally improve computers understanding of swearing in many languages at voxforge: http://www.voxforge.org/ my last hope.

     

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  96. Competence by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "...talk to a computer and have it competently talk back."

    I would be glad if I could talk to a human and have him COMPETENTLY talk back.

  97. Can't we just skip ahead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to cybernetic implants and the computer will understand what I'm thinking instead?

  98. Obligatory Scotty... by pulse2600 · · Score: 1

    Computer!

    Computer?

    (picks up mouse)

    Hello, Computer...

  99. not only for the office. by ciderbrew · · Score: 1

    In an office Gesture based system would be the most annoying. On the odd occasion when I’ve sat near some deaf people signing I’ve found it drives my peripheral vision to distraction. It would take me a while getting used to people not sitting still all day.

    Although from childhood we are taught to sit still a not fidget so being still goes against our instinct. Moving about should help general obesity levels :)

    I’d like voice command for games and it should be used along with a mouse.
    “Select all red units”, “Attack this point.” Click.
    “Build spices mine here”. Click.
    “All units (type A) defend spice mine”
    “War factory, build 10 tanks, Set way point here” Click.

    “War Factory, reset way point here” Click.

    Much better.

  100. Talking to Computers? by extcontact · · Score: 1

    To quote a chalkboard comment made by someone in the class of '85 at the [long defunct] Wang Institute: "Natural language processing hard is."

  101. Disabilities by Combatso · · Score: 1

    I am the only one know knows someone with a severe disability, whos only real connection is with the full world is through his compute?. Before his condition deteriorated to the point where he cannot walk and use his hands very well, he was a technician.. He interfaces with the computer through voice, he tells it what applications to open, he dictates email and documents. He uses voice to organize pictures, interact with facebook, all the stuff any average computer use would do. It's actually quite neat how the software adapts to his voice and learns from its mistakes. It even recognizes my voice when I speak to it, and changes profiles for me. So I would say, talking to computers is more common than you think.

  102. people are closed-minded by Velex · · Score: 1

    People think it's scary to talk to a woman who's oddly wearing boy-clothes then to have a man's voice answer them.

    People think it's scary to talk to a woman for a year and then learn that she was assigned the male gender at birth.

    People think it's scary to flirt with a girl and get her to giggle, and then when they excuse each other to go to the bathroom, the girl winds up in the same bathroom as the guy.

    So, yes, I can see that people might find interacting with an object that's supposed to be one thing but is actually another scary.

    Oh well, let's just have a pre-emptive Butlerian Jihad and we'll be all set.

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  103. Speech = Human by eibo · · Score: 1

    Our speech is a culturally evolved natural capability of humans. Using speech implies the expectation of an intelligent human as a receiver, alleviating this problem by not trying to create the illusion of intelligence will nevertheless force people to use an intelligent, human ability in a degraded, humiliating way. Not even Artificial Intelligence which will probably create intelligent systems in maybe 30 years will essentially change the situation as it won't be expected behaviour these AI systems will be producing, there is currently no intention of creating anything having all limitations humans have. If, on the other hand, this changes, it might actually work, but you have to expect these systems to really not understand you and be unwilling to help or producing lots of errors if they have a bad day, perhaps because their lover broke up with them or the wages are to low.

  104. Its just as "scary" as.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...People who talk to their car. I don't see the problem to be honest.

  105. Sync by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sync does this now in cars, it's not really a big deal. Maybe you wouldn't want it at home, but in cars people already are comfortable with computers doing this for them.

  106. Perhaps just tedious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would actually find it annoying having to speak to the computer. I feel you need more effort than typing, and sometimes i don't really feel like talking. So I don't think speak-recognition will advance very largely because probably many people feel the same about this. I don't think is scary talking to the computer, but rather tedious. Instead, typing is faster, easier and reliable.

  107. Watson Talked, It didn't listen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps watching the show you are unaware that Watson did not get it's questions by listening. at the moment the question was read a text of the question was transmitted to the computer and it spoke its answers. I wonder if this gave the machine an advantage, since it could be coming up with an answer before the other contestants even heard the full question.

  108. Very old Mac feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speech recognition has been around for a very long time on Macs. I used it in Mac OS 8. It may have been older. It hasn't changed much since then. It worked reliably well, but I thought that the mouse let me do things faster. Also, the mouse is more discrete. People around me can't listen to what my mouse tells the computer to do. I haven't used it as more than a retail sales tool since.

  109. Geordi LaForge by Crock23A · · Score: 1

    One of my favorite things in Star Trek TNG was when Geordi would have fairly extended conversations with the computer.

  110. Yes and no. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    Do I want to talk to a computer? The answer is yes and no. Yes, there are times when talking to a computer would be very handy. I do wish that I had a computer like those depicted in old sci fi shows, where I could be doing something around the house and just say, "Computer: what is the current relative humidity?" and it would just audibly respond with the answer.

    In an office setting, or in public, however, I would definitely NOT want to be talking to the computer. Nor would I want to hear everyone else babbling to their computer. In those pre-texting days of a few years ago I used to despise cell phones because of having to listen to all the yammering. It really sucks to be standing in line waiting on your food order, while some insensitive twit is talking about aunt Sheila getting her boil lanced. Now that people text more than talk on their phones, it is quieter and less annoying.

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  111. Not scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a gynoid companion, so the idea of a computer talking to me is not frightening.

  112. Verbal vs Non-verbal communications by rclandrum · · Score: 1

    Talking to the current crop of computers seems more than a bit embarrassing to me and always has. It's as if by talking to it, I am somehow telling those within listening range that I am stupid enough to imbue the mindless machine with humanlike properties - as if the computer has *me* fooled but not the other people who are feeling so sorry for me. Strangely, this feeling of embarrassment is present even when I am the only one in the room - as if I were standing outside myself, feeling sorry for the idiot that is treating a machine like a human being.

    If computers were actually capable of perfectly emulating a human partner in a conversation, I imagine this feeling of embarrassment would either vanish or at least be greatly diminished. I would, after all, be conversing with what evidently is a human intelligence - if I closed my eyes I could not tell the difference.

    But all embarrassment aside, it seems to me that as time goes on, computers and humans have developed incredibly efficient ways of accomplishing non-verbal communication - i.e. a simple click here, and tap of the keyboard there - abbreviated short hand on both input and output that is designed to convey the maximum amount of instruction and information with a minimum of effort. And I just bet that this evolved system of non-verbal man-machine communication is much more efficient that if we were to try to accomplish the same tasks using only verbal interaction.

  113. OS/2 Warp just skyped me from beyond the grave by Sczi · · Score: 1

    It wants to subscribe to your newsletter.

    I did a tech support stint at IBM back around 1995, and I got a copy of Warp 4 for $55 that was well supported on my PC, and I'll be damned but that voice control actually worked as advertised right out of the box. Doesn't surprise me big blue never gave up.

    But I'm one of those people who thinks talking to computer and computers talking back is just a step below black magic, so I had to burn that computer, and unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Watson is a sign of the coming apocalypse, so that sucks.

  114. VoRecOne on the Amiga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was using this software and the Amiga's built-in speech synthesis in 1989 to converse. Didn't bother me a bit. It all probably would have benefited from slightly higher clock rates, but it was usable. It was kinda fun to walk up to the machine, say "Mongo!", have it reply "Yes, Master?", and say "Play mod "Children of Science", and have the music start playing a couple of seconds later. No AI, but with some fairly basic scripting, it was better than having to find the player icon, click it, wait for the interface to open, open a file requester, find the mod in question, and start it playing.

    Of course, my startup-sequence played the sample of HAL saying "I'm completely operational and all my circuits are functioning perfectly." from Kubrick's 2001.

    Actually, it still plays that sample :)

  115. What a stupid question by johnny0099 · · Score: 1

    I got your natural right here.

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  116. Research in Speech Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speech Recognition as a research field has made significant strides since the 1960s when Fred Jelinek (RIP) at IBM first figured out how to build statistical models (that could be trained a large set of existing speech audio and its transcriptions) in order to do automated speech recognition (ASR). Currently, most ASR systems are intrinsically evaluated on what is known as the Word Error Rate which is a metric derived from Levenshtein distance and indicates how different the recognized word sequence is from the "true" word sequence. Most high-performing ASR systems today are 'Large Vocabulary Speaker Dependent Continuous Speech Recognition systems' where 'Large Vocabulary' means that they can recognize (with the help of an existing pronunciation dictionary) around 20,000-60,000 words, "Speaker Dependent" means that the recognition model has been trained specifically to recognize a particular speaker's speech and 'Continuous' means that it recognizes word sequences rather than a single word at a time. I would imagine Nuance has improved their algorithms consistently over the years (they don't really publish a lot about their flagship product, as you might imagine) such that they require less and less data for achieving the 'speaker dependent' gains. This is the reason why Nuance is rumored to have less than 10% WER on their best system.

    Also, most of the ASR systems that we might encounter outside of dictation software (like those used for banks and airline reservation systems) either constrain their vocabulary to achieve higher performance or use a "dialog system" which might switch between different speech recognizers (large vocabulary or constrained vocabulary) depending on what "dialog state" the user is in. For example, at the opening "How May I Help You?" prompt, it would probably use a large vocabulary recognizer but at a later state such as "Is Your TV On?", it might use a constrained vocabulary recognizer.

    In short, ASR has come a long way and is pretty good for a lot of things but regular, unconstrained and spontaneous speech is still a problem for the best of systems.

  117. Moriarti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computer...ARCH!

  118. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talking to computers has been around for a long time. At least back in the early 1990s people who had SoundBlasters could talk to their computers and it would respond, albeit with funny answers. Apple had created the Quadra 840av (and another cheaper model... 740av?) that had video and voice recognition. You could speak to it and it would open applications, files, etc. However, having it respond back extremely competently, in the form of conversation... well what use is there in that? Go talk to a real person. In terms of computing, imaging people at home or at the office in cubicles and conference rooms yammering away . . . too much noise pollution.

  119. Not scary, not even a privacy concern... by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    ... just annoying for me. Can you imagine being in a cube farm where everyone was interacting with their computer via voice? It's too horrifying to contemplate. I wouldn't even want to do it in the privacy of my own home. But then I'm big into peace & quiet.

  120. Humans are a lot better at detecting... by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    ... and correcting errors, though. My guess is that most "errors" in human speech are not even noticed by the recipient, because the listener's ability to take context into account "autocorrects" them. And humans are also better at the converse case - when they hear an error they can't fix, they are immediately able to flag it as an error and request clarification... rather than assuming that the speaker meant to be spouting gibberish.

  121. Galaxy Quest Said It Best by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    I think that the character Gwen DeMarco (Sigourney Weaver) said it best:

    "Voice of Computer: Negative, there is no replacement Beryllium Sphere on board.
    Gwen DeMarco: [to crew] No, there is no replacement Beryllium Sphere on board.
    Tommy Webber: You know, that is really getting annoying!
    Gwen DeMarco: [shouts] Look! I have one job on this lousy ship, it's *stupid*, but I'm gonna do it! Okay?
    Tommy Webber: Sure, no problem. "

    And expressed her frustration at the job well too:

    "Gwen DeMarco: Fred, you had a part people loved. I mean, my TV Guide interview was six paragraphs about my BOOBS and how they fit into my suit. No one bothered to ask me what I do on the show.
    Fred Kwan: You were... the umm, wait a minute, I'll think of it...
    Gwen DeMarco: I repeated the computer, Fred. "

    Keeping it in context, of course:

    "[Trying to explain TV to the Thermians]
    Gwen DeMarco: They're not ALL "historical documents." Surely, you don't think Gilligan's Island is a...
    [All the Thermians moan in despair]
    Mathesar: Those poor people. "

  122. Why voice computing will never make it big, #1 by whitroth · · Score: 1

    The disgruntled employee who's being escorted out of the HR office, and yells, "start! run! format c:, YES, YES, YES!!!"

                      mark "and then there's the English language*

    * I read, er, have read, that the leading idea fell like a lead balloon....

  123. I Feel Weird by juancnuno · · Score: 1

    My Nexus S has Voice Actions which let you send texts to people (among other things) using only your voice.

    But I don't use it. Because, yes, I feel weird talking to my phone.

  124. ...Regards to Captain Dunsel by srobert · · Score: 1

    The real reason many people find a computer talking back in normal speaking cadence is unsettling was demonstrated in the old Star Trek episode when M5 has communicated to the command that "Captain Dunsel" was in charge of the Enterprise.
    Bad enough in the Star Trek universe, but maybe worse in our world, where being made obsolete might mean you don't eat.

  125. Sorry what was that? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Did you mean to say: "Destroy all humans!"

  126. Internet Searches on Phone by Maladius · · Score: 1

    I find myself talking to my android phone on a pretty regular basis. Whenever I want to do an internet search that's more than a couple words, it's pretty fast and simple to hold down my search button and just speak the search phrase. The accuracy is pretty damn good even when speaking normally. The only problem is the background volume level; it doesn't work well in loud areas. It's great for the gps too: "navigate to 1122 Main St" "navigate to Joe's Bar". I don't see myself using this same technology with my work computer, but as far as my phone goes, I'm already talking to it and expecting it to react.

  127. Not just a new input device -- a new interface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speech recognition does not suck (only) because the computers are unable to understand speech well. Speech recognition sucks now because every computer is designed to be used with a mouse and keyboard. We would need to totally redesign how tasks get completed. Right now, if I want to view a photo, I open a file manager, navigate to the photo, and then open it. This is very easy to do with a mouse/keyboard setup. However, if you have to say each command, it is ridiculously slow and difficult. Remember all those times you were sitting next to someone at the computer, telling them how to do something for you? How long did it take for you to say, "Here, can I just sit down and do it?" Even if a computer were able to understand things as well as a human, it would still be easier for you to just take up the mouse and keyboard and do it yourself.

    The only way speech recognition could ever be useful would be if we could tell our computers to do things that we tell people to do, and to talk to them in the same way. "Get me Mr. Klein's phone number," "Show me how to get to Rachel's house," "Tell me how to fry an egg," "Remind me to call Joe tonight," etc. Spoken language is very good at certain things, and very bad at other things.

  128. Not really.. by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

    In a way, we already communicate to our computer to let it know what we want to do. Then it "replies" by doing whatever instruction we asked it to do. Regarding the actual topic, we just "teach" it to make human-like replies, so it's not particularly creepy.

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  129. Computer.....Talk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple computers have been able to do this for years.
    It's a system preference called Speech.

  130. My wish list... by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    I have very little desire to use my desktop by voice. However, I wiould love to operate my phone by voice. Things I would like to do with a blue tooth head set and my phone:

    1. While commuting to work.
    "Marvin, wake up."
    "Yes boss?"
    "Email to Shirley Jones"
    "Ready"
    "Can we meet tomorrow on the status of the Filbert project." End message. Append times I've got open. Send.
    "Sent. Next?"
    "Memo to self: Investigate advantages of importing Japanese filbers. Remind me this aft at 2"
    "You are meeting with John at 2:00"
    "Fine. When I get back to the office after seeing John."
    "Roger that. Next?
    "go to sleep"

    2. Inventory. Counting trees.
    Spruce, whtie Block 17, 1 gallon pots, 12 to 16" tall, 24 rows of 18 each.
    Spruce white, Block 18, 2 gallon pots, 18-30" tall, 40 rows of 12 each

    Generally: Anytime I want to use a computer but a keyboard and rodent are impractical.

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  131. Smarter Compunter needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to talk computer too, but in my imagination, conversation should not be like opening and closing windows, should be more like to talk with a butler. I would say "call mom", instead of "open skype", "verify if mom is online", "call mom". Due to limited bandwidth of vocal communication, computer should be much smarter than they are today, in order to understand and say only what's relevant.

  132. my 2 cents by georgesdev · · Score: 1

    In that jeopardy game, the computer is not listening to the voice. It gets the questions from a data line, as ascii text.
    Talking with a computer is often just as frustrating as talking on the phone with someone using a computer ...
    The only thing I do with voice on my computer is:
    - a script that says the name of the dvd inserted when my laptop recovers from sleep mode. Great to not forget to bring the dvd back to the shop the morning after. (I work from home so no annoyed colleagues to fear)
    - a bit of using the espeak command to show my kids how something is spoken in a language they learn at school
    other than that, I keep dreaming that human/machine interface will improve, but somehow, I think it will come from head mounted displays, sight recognition, etc ... more than speech recognition