Congressman: The AG is right! Adware is a horrible vice! Congressman 2: Adware killed my father and raped my mother!
[Gasps]
Congressman Frank: Gentlemen, I propose we send a message to tobacco companies everywhere by fining these companies infinity billion dollars!
Congressman 3: That's the spirit, Frank! But I think a real number might be more effective. All in favor of fining these evil telecom giants $100 million, say "Aye"!
I still dont see what makes people think they have the right to a fair trial from companies. If you use their product, you're subject to the terms and conditions that go with that product. If you feel such terms are illegal, do something. If you feel such terms are inconvenient and insulting, dont use their product.
Ever deal with a telecom A/R department? Ever try to convince them that charges are invalid? This is nothing new, read your fine print and make an informed decision. Complaining that one made the wrong decision isnt going to change anything.
Addendum: If you're so very sure on your legal information, file a case. If you feel you're too small to take on MS, build up support for a class action suit.
If you still feel i'm wrong, suggest a course of action which would produce any sort of results beyond building up awareness that MS is Corporate (who would have thought).
You are very presumptuous to assume that anyone who is complying with the law would not be offended at needing to PROVE it. If I am expected to trust you to examine my physical private property with nothing other than your word of honour that you aren't going to screw around with it, then you should be willing to accept my word of honour that I am not screwing around with your intellectual property. Something I do not understand is this feeling of entitlement with regards to not being offended. If its offensive, do not give them your business, if you're looking to convince people they SHOULD be offended, do so. I see nothing here that isnt "its too much of a hassle" type argument. If its too much of a hassle, use different software.
I hate to break this to you, but honour and ethics do not go very far in court. If you're a business of any size, you best be ready to handle the risks associated with the software you choose. Opportunity costs exist.
If their solution is disagreeable, use other software. This isnt the home market we're talking about, this is peoples livelyhoods _depending_ on the software in question. If the time overhead of such a process is too high, perhaps you should be looking into a capital time investment to switch over to other software.
If thats LESS convenient, then i fail to see your point.
Initial notice, followed by three written notices prior to any intrusive action? I'm sorry but this does not seem unreasonable nor tough to me. Anyone in the small business league at present SHOULD be adhering to any and all licensing necessary for the software they are using TO PRODUCE A PROFIT. If they aren't, well they best not try to expand beyond the term small business at any time in the future...
Yeah, I always much prefer it when people start over completely instead of revising what they know so far (heh). The name of the beast is completely unimportant. What matters is that they're finding out more, and if they find out they're currently wrong, use that data to find what might be right. For all we know, it could end up being the "A being measurably identical to our representation of Cap'n Crunch contains any and all aspects of our known universe in his Cosmic Hat" theory, but if the attestations within fit the bill, who cares?.
I seem to remember science having something to do with that MO =)
Sounds nice in theory, but i'd hate to think of the probabilities of a) a significantly advanced race able to do so b) a receiving race that is paying attention when the light and RF waves pass their planet, c) that they notice its non-random and d) the "data" sent in between is not mangled to death by the supernovae's shockwaves.
I think a race able to move/detonate stars at will would try to think of a method that doesnt compound tiny probabilities so much =)
The question is, are Hollywood scriptwriters able to get a story out of the Silmarillion books once you crop out who begat whom and the lines of the Edain and Eldar.. Seriously, if one thinks the Bible is obtuse, the Silmarillion really takes the cake.
Well, having read the story, I have this strange feeling Sony's desire to release without being able to meet demand might...just might...have something to do with the Wii being released before this christmas. Keep in mind consoles are the kind of purchase that the general market views as cyclical purchases. Buy one new one every few years. The number of homes with multiple new consoles is MUCH smaller than the number of homes with one from each generation. Therefore, if Sony did NOT release for this Christmas (read: too soon) then a large number of people may end up buying the Wii as this Christmas's major gift, who then hold off till the next generation before considering a new purchase.
Marketing strategy is not for fanboys, they are already converted. Its the casual consumer that is the target 99% of the time. Plus, don't forget that the difficult to attain has a draw all its own with some people =) (think of the tickle-me-elmo-furby wars of the days of yore).
a forum based on scientific innovation full of elitists who rip into anything not supported by quantifiable evidence?
How can this be! I am shocked and appalled.
Seriously though, I wholeheartedly agree with you. It is deplorable how the liberal bent in the west (especially those labelled democrats in the US) have decided to shun those who believe differently than them the way they have. A constituency does NOT want to be told they're stupid. In fact NO ONE likes being told they're stupid. What in the hell is the point of alienating an entire segment of society over theology when its impossible to prove or disprove anything (except maybe questions answered through anthropology) concerning theology.
Idiocy has basically become the default stamp on opposing thought just as much as terrorism has for the right wing extreme. Its easy to be smug and self-righteous when your opponents are idiots, and if you lose out to said idiots, best write a book about how the country is full of idiots. At least you know that those who dont see a parallel between Jon Stewart and Jerry Springer will buy a copy.
SUBTITLE: IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND LOGICAL AMERICAN DEMOCRATS, PLEASE STOP SHAKING YOUR FINGERS AT AMERICA SAYING, TELLING REPUBLICAN VOTERS HOW IGNORANT THEY ARE, AND FORM A REAL PLAN TO REGAIN POPULAR OPINION. (to quote the prophet jerimatic, 10001010001010...)
solar powered calculators hamster-wheel driven XT's collection of c64's with 300baud vicmodems
Is there anywhere online that has a comprehensive list of insults made against pretty much any and all MMO games and environments? That list has got to be gargantuan by now, despite always sounding the same =)
The issue is that the telecom companies are lobbying to ban the ABILITY for a city to decide this for themselves. plus keep in mind the number of people overall who would use net access arent going "DAMN MY 900MS PING IMPEDES MY FPSING" (despite rising popularity). The majority tends to rule, its rather the entire concept behind formng municipalities. And if the majority doesnt give a crap about their latency, why should they be forbidden to create such a network?
Its been said before, but i'll say it again...replace any instance of "Massives" or MMORPGs etc in any of these stories with "The Internet" and it still fits the same. Hell, even the C64's Quantum-Link service pretty much fit every description there, except perhaps the fact that social networking isnt as gain related as in a game.
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augh, missed one paraphrasery >=(
Congressman: The AG is right! Adware is a horrible vice!
Congressman 2: Adware killed my father and raped my mother!
[Gasps]
Congressman Frank: Gentlemen, I propose we send a message to tobacco companies everywhere by fining these companies infinity billion dollars!
Congressman 3: That's the spirit, Frank! But I think a real number might be more effective. All in favor of fining these evil telecom giants $100 million, say "Aye"!
I still dont see what makes people think they have the right to a fair trial from companies. If you use their product, you're subject to the terms and conditions that go with that product. If you feel such terms are illegal, do something. If you feel such terms are inconvenient and insulting, dont use their product.
Ever deal with a telecom A/R department? Ever try to convince them that charges are invalid? This is nothing new, read your fine print and make an informed decision. Complaining that one made the wrong decision isnt going to change anything.
Addendum:
If you're so very sure on your legal information, file a case. If you feel you're too small to take on MS, build up support for a class action suit.
If you still feel i'm wrong, suggest a course of action which would produce any sort of results beyond building up awareness that MS is Corporate (who would have thought).
I hate to break this to you, but honour and ethics do not go very far in court. If you're a business of any size, you best be ready to handle the risks associated with the software you choose. Opportunity costs exist.
for point b), I was trying to think of a concise way to say that without harsher language.
If their solution is disagreeable, use other software. This isnt the home market we're talking about, this is peoples livelyhoods _depending_ on the software in question. If the time overhead of such a process is too high, perhaps you should be looking into a capital time investment to switch over to other software.
If thats LESS convenient, then i fail to see your point.
Initial notice, followed by three written notices prior to any intrusive action? I'm sorry but this does not seem unreasonable nor tough to me. Anyone in the small business league at present SHOULD be adhering to any and all licensing necessary for the software they are using TO PRODUCE A PROFIT. If they aren't, well they best not try to expand beyond the term small business at any time in the future...
Flames as follows:
Interesting analogy to New Coke, Should we be expecting a Windows Classic, all the original 98SE taste, half the original bugs?
I somehow doubt it, but it WOULD be amusing. "Hey look, its the same product but this time its less of a beta!"
Shh, they're having fun.
All I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for..
Yeah, I always much prefer it when people start over completely instead of revising what they know so far (heh). The name of the beast is completely unimportant. What matters is that they're finding out more, and if they find out they're currently wrong, use that data to find what might be right. For all we know, it could end up being the "A being measurably identical to our representation of Cap'n Crunch contains any and all aspects of our known universe in his Cosmic Hat" theory, but if the attestations within fit the bill, who cares?.
I seem to remember science having something to do with that MO =)
You've got red on you.
Sounds nice in theory, but i'd hate to think of the probabilities of a) a significantly advanced race able to do so b) a receiving race that is paying attention when the light and RF waves pass their planet, c) that they notice its non-random and d) the "data" sent in between is not mangled to death by the supernovae's shockwaves.
I think a race able to move/detonate stars at will would try to think of a method that doesnt compound tiny probabilities so much =)
The question is, are Hollywood scriptwriters able to get a story out of the Silmarillion books once you crop out who begat whom and the lines of the Edain and Eldar.. Seriously, if one thinks the Bible is obtuse, the Silmarillion really takes the cake.
Well, having read the story, I have this strange feeling Sony's desire to release without being able to meet demand might...just might...have something to do with the Wii being released before this christmas. Keep in mind consoles are the kind of purchase that the general market views as cyclical purchases. Buy one new one every few years. The number of homes with multiple new consoles is MUCH smaller than the number of homes with one from each generation. Therefore, if Sony did NOT release for this Christmas (read: too soon) then a large number of people may end up buying the Wii as this Christmas's major gift, who then hold off till the next generation before considering a new purchase.
Marketing strategy is not for fanboys, they are already converted. Its the casual consumer that is the target 99% of the time. Plus, don't forget that the difficult to attain has a draw all its own with some people =) (think of the tickle-me-elmo-furby wars of the days of yore).
a forum based on scientific innovation full of elitists who rip into anything not supported by quantifiable evidence?
How can this be! I am shocked and appalled.
Seriously though, I wholeheartedly agree with you. It is deplorable how the liberal bent in the west (especially those labelled democrats in the US) have decided to shun those who believe differently than them the way they have. A constituency does NOT want to be told they're stupid. In fact NO ONE likes being told they're stupid. What in the hell is the point of alienating an entire segment of society over theology when its impossible to prove or disprove anything (except maybe questions answered through anthropology) concerning theology.
Idiocy has basically become the default stamp on opposing thought just as much as terrorism has for the right wing extreme. Its easy to be smug and self-righteous when your opponents are idiots, and if you lose out to said idiots, best write a book about how the country is full of idiots. At least you know that those who dont see a parallel between Jon Stewart and Jerry Springer will buy a copy.
SUBTITLE: IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND LOGICAL AMERICAN DEMOCRATS, PLEASE STOP SHAKING YOUR FINGERS AT AMERICA SAYING, TELLING REPUBLICAN VOTERS HOW IGNORANT THEY ARE, AND FORM A REAL PLAN TO REGAIN POPULAR OPINION. (to quote the prophet jerimatic, 10001010001010...)
solar powered calculators
hamster-wheel driven XT's
collection of c64's with 300baud vicmodems
Is there anywhere online that has a comprehensive list of insults made against pretty much any and all MMO games and environments? That list has got to be gargantuan by now, despite always sounding the same =)
The issue is that the telecom companies are lobbying to ban the ABILITY for a city to decide this for themselves. plus keep in mind the number of people overall who would use net access arent going "DAMN MY 900MS PING IMPEDES MY FPSING" (despite rising popularity). The majority tends to rule, its rather the entire concept behind formng municipalities. And if the majority doesnt give a crap about their latency, why should they be forbidden to create such a network?
oddest tangental arguments ever.
For that we have this, the Trace-buster-buster!
How much for a toilet seat?
I hope to god this doesnt get modded funny when its so incredibly insightful.
Laptop + wireless kb/mouse + couch = recipe for perfect relaxation and obesity.
aeb
Its been said before, but i'll say it again...replace any instance of "Massives" or MMORPGs etc in any of these stories with "The Internet" and it still fits the same. Hell, even the C64's Quantum-Link service pretty much fit every description there, except perhaps the fact that social networking isnt as gain related as in a game.
aeb