Thanks to your obsessiveness about netcraft & pretty much useless arguments which web server you use to serve static web pages, we are actually able to make many CIO/CTO's register & have a look at what we have to offer in replacing big-irons hosting databases & directory servers
hahahahahahah how many of those people are reading slashdot daily
I know, you are right. I'm saying that the RDBMS is overused.
tbh I'm also coming from a position where it's not really a disk based file system but the data is presented as though it is one. plan9 uses file servers that present data as though it's a normal FS. You can build whatever tools you want in between the user and the data but the important thing is that it's all done by mounting the server in the namespace.
Using this approach the delights of not having different middleware toosl for each datastore have been revealed to me. plan9 uses the simple tools of open, read, write, and close. Using links and joins I have used the technique equally successfully in freebsd for my 50k user website and see no significant peformance loss.
I know it wont scale but I'm far from the upper limit.
I see a lot of projects with more modest demands and yet there's the RDBMS stuck in the middle.
My oringal assertion was that in a lot of cases there simply is no need for it and when you shed it you gain by reducing complexity.
But then, you lose all the advantages of database journaling (not just integrity, the ability to rollback to a previous state, if necessary)
Tis true, again for the majority of dbases this simply isn't a problem anyway. Week after week I am presented with projects that have "we store the data in a MySQL database" when there really is no operational need for such a system.
Plan9 and Hurd with synthetic file systems and filters also present an extension to the simple disk based file system. I'm not for a minute suggesting thrwoing all that indexing and query optimisation away where it's needed.
Rememebr the ask slashdot a while ago about "how can i keep track of my photographs". People were seriously suggesting Oracle and MySQL. All of his data would fit on a floppy and proably into the memory of my microwave oven or car stereo!
for the majority of databases the data should be moved to the filesystem no the database.
Simple joins, and most of them are can be replicated with links if necessary. Almost all the databases I've seen would lose little from moving out of the DB and into the filesystem.
It doesn't scale to complicated joins and huge datastores with complex triggering but for most stuff it simply isn't used.
Too many developers have the mindset of placing tree based data into RDBMS which adds complexity.
as meaningless as bets across the internet are, I'd happily take you up on that.
you're on, I am sincere:) Don't know how we are going to remember 29/9 to see who pays up! there's one here http://www.candor.com/reminder/default.asp I've registered it for me
and what makes you so sure that they will start charging, anyway?
I don't know. It seems they are making a lot of fuss over this bnetd thing and I just get a feeling there's more to it than CD Keys.
I'd be more than happy to be wrong. I'm a satisfied Blizzard customer myself but I've hankered after running battle.net servers myself too. There's something to be said about a smaller community with a central server. The open server idea of diablo was okay but save game fiddling was too easy (I spent an evening mass producing gems in Diablo II).
my perspective is that although battle.net is free atm. the plan to star charging for it in the future
mmorpg games make a nice tidy sum from their player base, I pay for two different ones every month. Sony have had nearly £300 from me so far to play Everquest.
Mark my words, battle.net will not remain free and I predict that it will change with the release of WC3.
bnetd is a real threat to that and the piracy thing is just a smokescreen .
You just roll it up with some tobacco and smoke it maaan...
ugh, that's like drinking shandy you poof! (jk)
tobacco is a narcotic and cannabis is not
when ther govt. says that cannabis contains more harmful stuff than a cigarette they use un-filtered tobacco joints for their study so *of course* it will be worse!
Slashdot Mirror
my ISP hosts that site, talk about traffic!
shit I'll be dead soon
I've spent 7 days (time total) out of the last 20 playing Dark Age of Camelot including a few 17 hours sessions
pass me the pills momma I'm gonna check out
I hope the guy gave his stuff away
maybe he couldn't find his corpse so he made his own!
oh go back to watching TV
Thanks to your obsessiveness about netcraft & pretty much useless arguments which web server you use to serve static web pages, we are actually able to make many CIO/CTO's register & have a look at what we have to offer in replacing big-irons hosting databases & directory servers
hahahahahahah how many of those people are reading slashdot daily
thats the best one today
Debain leads the pack once again
the rootkit will prove an invaluable tool in the workplace for when you *need* the root pw but MIS just won't let you have it.
root was an April fool when it started and 30years later it's still funneh
I ran some cabel into the roof and down into the bathroom. Its great having tunes blast out while you're in there.
enjoy
I know, you are right.
:)
I'm saying that the RDBMS is overused.
tbh I'm also coming from a position where it's not really a disk based file system but the data is presented as though it is one. plan9 uses file servers that present data as though it's a normal FS. You can build whatever tools you want in between the user and the data but the important thing is that it's all done by mounting the server in the namespace.
Using this approach the delights of not having different middleware toosl for each datastore have been revealed to me. plan9 uses the simple tools of open, read, write, and close. Using links and joins I have used the technique equally successfully in freebsd for my 50k user website and see no significant peformance loss.
I know it wont scale but I'm far from the upper limit.
I see a lot of projects with more modest demands and yet there's the RDBMS stuck in the middle.
My oringal assertion was that in a lot of cases there simply is no need for it and when you shed it you gain by reducing complexity.
can we stop now
I have production stuff that uses the FS
It causes no problems and brings me benefits
RDBMS are overused and seem to be applied as a first resort
man sort
man join
they work just fine
I think 10 years in database development qualifies me to comment
fast enough is fast enough
But then, you lose all the advantages of database journaling (not just integrity, the ability to rollback to a previous state, if necessary)
Tis true, again for the majority of dbases this simply isn't a problem anyway. Week after week I am presented with projects that have "we store the data in a MySQL database" when there really is no operational need for such a system.
Plan9 and Hurd with synthetic file systems and filters also present an extension to the simple disk based file system. I'm not for a minute suggesting thrwoing all that indexing and query optimisation away where it's needed.
Rememebr the ask slashdot a while ago about "how can i keep track of my photographs". People were seriously suggesting Oracle and MySQL. All of his data would fit on a floppy and proably into the memory of my microwave oven or car stereo!
for the majority of databases the data should be moved to the filesystem no the database.
Simple joins, and most of them are can be replicated with links if necessary. Almost all the databases I've seen would lose little from moving out of the DB and into the filesystem.
It doesn't scale to complicated joins and huge datastores with complex triggering but for most stuff it simply isn't used.
Too many developers have the mindset of placing tree based data into RDBMS which adds complexity.
as meaningless as bets across the internet are, I'd happily take you up on that.
:) Don't know how we are going to remember 29/9 to see who pays up! there's one here http://www.candor.com/reminder/default.asp
you're on, I am sincere
I've registered it for me
and what makes you so sure that they will start charging, anyway?
I don't know. It seems they are making a lot of fuss over this bnetd thing and I just get a feeling there's more to it than CD Keys.
I'd be more than happy to be wrong. I'm a satisfied Blizzard customer myself but I've hankered after running battle.net servers myself too. There's something to be said about a smaller community with a central server. The open server idea of diablo was okay but save game fiddling was too easy (I spent an evening mass producing gems in Diablo II).
tis just a hunch
I'll bet you $5 that within 6 months it's not
:)
and I mean it
and oh btw. it's incalculable
Oh how the memories are short lived
:
"Better UNIX than UNIX" anyone?
while trying to find a good attribution for this Bill Gates quote reputedly at an expo I found this little gem
http://www.adt.ru/~las/antims/UnixExpo/
my perspective is that although battle.net is free atm. the plan to star charging for it in the future
mmorpg games make a nice tidy sum from their player base, I pay for two different ones every month. Sony have had nearly £300 from me so far to play Everquest.
Mark my words, battle.net will not remain free and I predict that it will change with the release of WC3.
bnetd is a real threat to that and the piracy thing is just a smokescreen .
would that be Salmon Rushdie?
no, that's almost the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
this story goes into some detail.
Of course it was much of the reporting that was irresponsible.
Other news sources summarized it as "cannabis worse for you than cigarettes"
Shock news : smoking unfiltered tobacco is more harmful than filtered, duh!
I want to see a study on pure cannabis because that's what I smoke, tobacco is a disgusting additive to weed. Like adding anti-freeze to a good wine.
of course you're all wrong
guns & bullets don't kill people
blood loss and organ damage kills people
ha!
You just roll it up with some tobacco and smoke it maaan...
ugh, that's like drinking shandy you poof! (jk)
tobacco is a narcotic and cannabis is not
when ther govt. says that cannabis contains more harmful stuff than a cigarette they use un-filtered tobacco joints for their study so *of course* it will be worse!
do the decent thing, old chap, and use a bong!
dont they realise that people are just losing interest?
if it's good we'll soon know
from what I understand they are using a map model that has the whole zone in contention at once, atm. you run round in a little bubble
hardware is an issue so to wait is good, means they can work and work on the content and make it a smash
they have to have *something* to surf on
wtf!
(and IY}9
I posted "and I saw it in"
Apparently in Australia they had more trouble with their slogan "Wang Cares".
I doubt it, Wanker is a common surname in Australia (and IY}9 one in the NYC phone book too)