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Slashback: Bnetd, Salmon, Towers

Slashback tonight with more on Lord of the Rings (The Two Towers, specifically), various ongoing court battles, the true color of the universe, and more. Read on for the details.

All I'm certain of is my true love's hair. CompaniaHill writes: "As previously reported on /., first they though it was turquoise. Then they found an error in their early calculations, and announced it was really beige. But doubts lingered, and color experts pointed out that an objective color as viewed from the theoretical blackness of space would appear different when viewed on Earth in typical daylight. So adjustments were made, and calculations were revised and rechecked by color scientists Michael Brill of McClendon Automation Inc. and Mark Fairchild of the Munsell Color Science Laboratories. And now, at last, Ivan Baldry and Karl Glazebrook, astronomers at Johns Hopkins University, using spectral data from the 2dF Galaxy Redshift Survey, have announced the final result: The universe is decidedly salmon. Really."

The milestones are getting closer together. Dare Obasanjo writes: "Xindice (http://xml.apache.org/xindice), the Apache native XML database has finally reached version 1.0. Xindice used to be called dbXML and was mentioned in my article on XML and databases."

Three From the Courts TheFrood writes: "It looks as though the battle between Blizzard and bnetd (as reported in previous stories here(1), here(2), and here(3))is heating up. Vivendi has sent another letter to the EFF, which has wasted no time responding."

ElitusPrime writes with an update in the strange case of Ken Hamidi, the Intel employee whose mass-mail to Intel employees brought charges of trespassing. Now the California Supreme Court may take another look at the case. Says ElitusPrime: "If this guy is put in jail, I can think of more then a few other spammers that need to go up the creek with him..."

In a very different case, pagan26 writes: "It seem that DMCA will have its day in court. With ElmcoSoft."

Well, at least you can trust their word, right? Masem writes: "According to MSNBC, the developers of the spyware program WinWhatWhere will no longer have their install program trample the bits of anti-spyware programs, after word broke that this behavior was occurring. However, no word has been made by a similar spyware program developed by SpectreSoft that does similar damage."

I will fork out to see this, happily. Pingsmoth writes "It looks like the faithful fans of Peter Jackson and Tolkien will be able to catch a glimpse of The Two Towers this Saturday. Lordoftherings.net is reporting, through a video of Peter Jackson, that a preview (read: not a trailer) of The Two Towers will be shown in theatres this Saturday, presumably attached to The Fellowship of the Ring. Maybe at the end? At any rate, it looks like I'll be seeing the film at least seven times now, and it's a good thing I got a morning shift tomorrow." For a more colorful description of this 4-minute tease, check out Ain't it Cool News' version.

266 comments

  1. Color of the Universe by taya0001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ill have to upgrade my computers video card. Right now it can only see the univese in 8-bit mode. I don't think salmon is one of those colors.

    1. Re:Color of the Universe by NinjaGaidenIIIcuts · · Score: 1

      Talking of colors, OpenGL 2.0 will support 64-bit color data, which traveling through a 3D card's z-buffers, bins, and all sort of things still can result in a really pure picture when filtered to 32-bit color on-screen.

      Will be amazing to see the universe in 3D with the translated "Salmon" color.

    2. Re:Color of the Universe by packeteer · · Score: 1

      HAHA I have you beat... my laptop can only display 16 shades of gray and because a friend of mine is colorblind salmon shows up as GREY so now he can see "true color" on my ancient black/white lappy... HURRAY!

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  2. I knew it all along! by Hemos+(editor) · · Score: 4, Funny

    And now, at last, Ivan Baldry and Karl Glazebrook, astronomers at Johns Hopkins University, using spectral data from the 2dF Galaxy Redshift Survey, have announced the final result: The universe is decidedly salmon. Really.

    I knew it all along; God is a She!

    I Personally Recommend ML

    1. Re:I knew it all along! by taya0001 · · Score: 0

      What color do you think it would be if he was a guy. Red?

    2. Re:I knew it all along! by NanoGator · · Score: 1, Redundant

      "I knew it all along; God is a She!"

      Only a woman would color the universe pink and call it salmon.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    3. Re:I knew it all along! by Metrollica · · Score: 3, Funny

      What color do you think it would be if he was a guy. Red?

      How about white, off-white, slightly yellowed or even clear.

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      --Metrollica
    4. Re:I knew it all along! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the evening sky faded from a salmon color to a sort of flint gray, I thought back to the salmon I caught that morning, and how gray he was, and how I named him Flint.

    5. Re:I knew it all along! by 56ker · · Score: 1

      Either that or God's an interior decorator/ designer.

    6. Re:I knew it all along! by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      Only a designer working on a movie like Mr. Bean or Stuart Little would use such a distasteful color scheme. If you want to know what I mean, have a gander at the houses featured in either of those movies. For some reason, the set designers thought that blood red, primary yellow, and nauseating cyan would make wonderful colors to paint rooms.

      I think it's more likely that God outsourced the universe's design to one of these decorators and overpaid a bit.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    7. Re:I knew it all along! by Winged+Cat · · Score: 1

      We've had kinda-anti-red (turquoise), kinda-anti-blue (beige), and now kinda-anti-green (salmon)...so, will the next one be kinda-anti-white or kinda-anti-black?

    8. Re:I knew it all along! by Janitor · · Score: 1

      No, black.

    9. Re:I knew it all along! by GigsVT · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nah, God's a fag. :)

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      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    10. Re:I knew it all along! by PhxBlue · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Not only that, She can't make up her mind on what color to make the universe. Turquoise, beige, salmon. . . make up your mind already!

      Sheesh, women. . .

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      !#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
    11. Re:I knew it all along! by abolith · · Score: 1

      well here goes my karma!!

      there is no such thing as "God"

      *pulls on flame suit*

      do your worst

      --
      if you want "No More Hiroshimas" then I say "You First. No More Pearl Harbors."
    12. Re:I knew it all along! by RoninM · · Score: 1

      In Smalltalk, there's no such string as "God", but 'God' exists.

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      If a corporation is a personhood, is owning stock slavery?
    13. Re:I knew it all along! by Bohnanza · · Score: 1

      And she's a Salmon!!

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      Sorry, I'm only a 1336 h4x0r.

    14. Re:I knew it all along! by GTRacer · · Score: 2
      You have obviously never watched TLC's Trading Spaces. Qhick precis: Host and two designers assist two couples in decorating each other's houses for less than a grand apiece.

      More often than not, the resulting room is an abomination that only a colorblind wombat would like.

      My award for worst that I've seen - cool downstairs den done in natural wood and various "guy" accents converted to lime green, red and black. They pained the dude's coffee table CHECKERBOARD.

      I'm surprised this show doesn't result in more fatalities...

      GTRacer
      - Slipcovers and gaudy colors should be used in moderation

      --
      Defending IP by destroying access to it? That makes sense, RIAA/MPAA. Go to the corner until you can play nice!
    15. Re:I knew it all along! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't this mean God is DOUGLAS ADAMS? Final installment of HHGG == The Salmon of Doubt...

  3. with apologies to Douglas Adams... by CmdrTaco+(editor) · · Score: 5, Funny
    The universe is decidedly salmon.

    So long, and thanks for all the fish!

    1. Re:with apologies to Douglas Adams... by E-prospero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought the Salmon of Doubt would be more appropriate...

      Russ %-)

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      ... and never, ever play leapfrog with a unicorn.
    2. Re:with apologies to Douglas Adams... by 56ker · · Score: 1

      but what colour was the babelfish? Was that salmon too? (bear in mind it's been ten years since I read the books) - maybe it was orange. - or goldfish if we're going by naming colours after fish.

    3. Re:with apologies to Douglas Adams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the babelfish was green in the bbc tv series i think. and when they showed it in Guide in the movie it was blue. i dont have access to the book with pictures so i dont know what color it was there.

    4. Re:with apologies to Douglas Adams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I do. It looked like a photoshoped goldfish, IIRC.

      I'll be physically near the book on Sunday, so I can see if I was right or not.

    5. Re:with apologies to Douglas Adams... by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      would that be Salmon Rushdie?

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    6. Re:with apologies to Douglas Adams... by Winged+Cat · · Score: 1

      I don't think it had a specific color. Maybe its scales were like a chameleon's, to go with its translation talent?

    7. Re:with apologies to Douglas Adams... by MiTEG · · Score: 2
      I have the series in VCD format...

      Made me take a look at the first episode (out of 6). Cut out a 30 second clip of the scene of which you speak. It looks to me like sort of a yellow tinted goldfish. Take a look if you wish.


      bababelfish.mpg

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      The future isn't what it used to be.
  4. The universe isn't beige? by Corvaith · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone should inform the offices of the world.

    On the other hand, don't. I'd rather have beige everything than salmon. How did they determine it was salmon, anyway? Are they sure it isn't coral? Or sunset pink? Or...

    Someone find a box of crayons for these researchers. In the name of research, of course.

    1. Re:The universe isn't beige? by nucal · · Score: 4, Funny
      In the wake of Sept. 11, figuring out how the average color of the cosmos would appear to people on Earth during daylight is a ''beautiful idea that promised peace and harmony,'' Brill said. ''We sorely need a balm such as the color of the universe, whether it be a tranquil green or even a noncommittal beige.'' Or, as it now seems, the simple and sweet color of salmon.

      until they change the color again ... and then I'll start fretting about Sept. 11th all over again ...

    2. Re:The universe isn't beige? by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1

      And, besides, doesn't mauve have the most RAM?

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      They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
      Ben
    3. Re:The universe isn't beige? by Dirtside · · Score: 2

      No need -- the original report was written in crayon!

      --
      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    4. Re:The universe isn't beige? by dr00g911 · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend has recently been referring to a henceforth unheard of color in that range.

      It's called "Organdy".

      We have a game now: I ask her if that awful tafata dress is "Organdy" and she says no -- it's pinker than that.

      At that point I say -- you mean salmon? And she says no. Cuz she's a girl, and salmon just doesn't sound sophisticated enough.

      But the color does, apparently, exist.

      It may well work out that the universe is, in fact, Organdy.

      And if that's the case, then there's a damned good chance that God is a woman.

    5. Re:The universe isn't beige? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta love Dilbert. :)

    6. Re:The universe isn't beige? by susano_otter · · Score: 2
      I hate to break it to you, but organdy appears to be a type of cloth, and not a color at all.

      If these multicolored pillows don't convince her, may I suggest a trip to this dictionary, which returns the following:

      One entry found for organdy.

      Main Entry: organdy
      Variant(s): also organdie /'or-g&n-dE/
      Function: noun
      Inflected Form(s): plural -dies
      Etymology: French organdi
      Date: 1835
      : a very fine transparent muslin with a stiff finish

      In fact even Emily Dickinson seems to think it's a type of cloth.

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      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    7. Re:The universe isn't beige? by dr00g911 · · Score: 1

      Not sure how wise it would be to correct her on this one, however fulfilling.

      I think I'm only allowed to be right on matters of style and taste once a month, and I may be over my quota :)

      She hates being wrong about stuff.

      I, on the other hand, am quite pleased as I was beginning to think that I was the only artist on earth that wasn't aware of a newly invented colour!

      --dr00gy
    8. Re:The universe isn't beige? by dr00g911 · · Score: 1

      On further reflection, it appears that my girlfriend may be on to something.

      It appears that Organdy (from those pillows, at least) can be Turquoise, Salmon, and even Beige!

      Perhaps we give those scientists a call and let them know that if the universe is Organdy, they can't possibly be wrong.

      Except, of course, if the universe is actually an intellegent shade of blue, which would just completely much up my world view.

      --dr00gy

    9. Re:The universe isn't beige? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      hyperintelligent shade of blue.

  5. DMCA in action by drDugan · · Score: 1, Troll

    from the letter to bnetd

    """...
    which circumvents technological controls, in violation of section 1201 of the Copyright Act. The
    bnetd.org site exists, in our view, to allow multi-player game play, over the Internet, of pirated copies of
    our games. Contrary to the characterization in your letter, the CD-Key authentication code which is being
    bypassed by the bnetd server software is a classic example of the type of technological measure intended
    to be addressed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and the circumvention of that protection is
    prohibited by law.

    """

    Is this not a reasonable use of DMCA legislation?

    How is what bnetd doing OK in any way?

    1. Re:DMCA in action by Accipiter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is what bnetd doing OK in any way?

      You're either a troll, or someone incredibly ignorant. Did it occur to you that Vivendi might just be firing off BULLSHIT in their letters? Reading a legal document from the bad guy isn't going to give you an accurate profile of the entirety of the situation. Hence, your ignorance.

      Bnetd wasn't created to pirate Blizzard games any more than DeCSS was created to pirate DVDs. It was created so people playing Blizzard games could have multiplayer games on local LANs without having to rely on battle.net.

      Blizzard is just using the lack of CD key authentication as a reason to kill the project. Bnetd asked Blizzard to provide a means to authenticate CD keys, and Blizzard refused. So what happens? Bnetd functions happily without it.

      They tried to take their ball and run home, but they made their OWN ball. Boo hoo for Blizzard.

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    2. Re:DMCA in action by RollingThunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Arguably, the CD-Key is used to authenticate the client to allow them access to the battle.net servers, and their resources.

      My server, my resources, my decision about who I let on it, and how I verify them.

      The onus is on the player, imo, in a keygen situation. The player is the one infringing by using a keygen and infringing copyright - bnetd is simply reverse-engineering and providing a plug-compatible solution.

      (that's one point of view, in any case)

    3. Re:DMCA in action by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not ok for hobbyists to write free software? It's free, uses none of blizzard's code, and it's primary purpose is undebatably legal. I have never used it to bypass copy controls, nor any of my friends... it just helps get around IPX only network play. Maybe vivendi plans on attacking the authors of IPXtunnel though.

      Failure to include copyright controls in your own work is not the same as NOPing them out of someone elses software.

    4. Re:DMCA in action by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 5, Informative

      How is what bnetd doing OK in any way?

      Perhaps you should read EFF's response, and possibly even Title 17, Chapter 12 where it says (as referenced by the EFF letter):

      1201 (c) Other Rights, Etc., Not Affected.

      ... (3)

      Nothing in this section shall require that the design of, or design and selection of parts and components for, a consumer electronics, telecommunications, or computing product provide for a response to any particular technological measure, so long as such part or component, or the product in which such part or component is integrated, does not otherwise fall within the prohibitions of subsection (a)(2) or (b)(1).
      1201 (f) Reverse Engineering

      ... (3)

      The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section.
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      -- Don't Tase me, bro!

    5. Re:DMCA in action by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 1

      oops. Slashcode truncated my link to Title 17. Try this.

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      -- Don't Tase me, bro!

    6. Re:DMCA in action by zodar · · Score: 1

      "Bnetd wasn't created to pirate Blizzard games any more than DeCSS was created to pirate DVDs. It was created so people playing Blizzard games could have multiplayer games on local LANs without having to rely on battle.net."

      That function already comes with most Blizzard software. I regularly play Blizzard games on my local LAN without connecting to battle.net, and I have never used bnetd. I use the "Other Multiplayer"/"TCP/IP game" option that comes with their software.

      Next excuse!

    7. Re:DMCA in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT

    8. Re:DMCA in action by barawn · · Score: 2

      A: That only works on Blizzard games which have the TCP/IP option, which isn't true for all of them.

      B: That's not a game server - that's connecting to play with friends. Blizzard provided a functionality for playing with a game server - they can't restrict it and say "uh, no, only ours." I could give reams of reasons why this is valid, but I only need to give one. It's fair use.

    9. Re:DMCA in action by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      A: That only works on Blizzard games which have the TCP/IP option, which isn't true for all of them.

      No, LAN play is available through IPX on all their games. TCP LAN play was only added recently to help out MacOS X which does not have IPX support.

    10. Re:DMCA in action by zeno_2 · · Score: 1
      Yea its kinda bullshit..

      The copy protection for Diablo 2 is during setup, when it asks me for my cd key. The only time I would need to ever use that key would be for battle.net.

      Now, here is my opinion.

      The local lan setting in the game should be considered a circumvention device. I can take 10 computers, and by using that option, have all of them play from one cd key. Or does circumventing copy protections only apply when you are on the internet? Why does single player not check the cd key? The ONLY place that checks that key is battle.net.

      According to them, Its ok to pirate the game if you play on a network that the machines are fairly close by. As soon as you try to do this over the internet, by using bnetd, its now wrong.

      I dont think that they have a very good case here (blizzard and vivendi (sp?)). IANAL, and im sure they can twist this stuff pretty good..

      "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter."

      The only measure in place that controls the access of said work is when setup asks for the cd key. Once that step is done, the user has full access to all the data. Bnetd does not give them any more access.

      (2)
      No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that -
      (A)
      is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;

      Bnetd is primarily designed to let people play a game over the internet. I feel that there is too much play when it comes to this. I also think that DeCSS would have had a much stronger case if they had waited to release the code with the DVD player, as it could have been just a small part of a larger package. Not too sure how much it would have helped though.

      (B)
      has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or

      Once again, not the case with bnetd

      (C)
      is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

      None of that going on here, if they marketed it at all, i doubt they waved a flag saying it bypasses the key check.

      (3)
      As used in this subsection -
      (A)
      to ''circumvent a technological measure'' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and

      This seems to only apply if the said device was primarily designed to circumvent the copy protection.

      (B)
      a technological measure ''effectively controls access to a work'' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

      Well if someone can decode that, id love to see what it really means. Id say what its talking about is that they are classifying what is an effective enough measure to protect access to a piece of work. You can play multiplayer on a LAN without any cd key checks, that is essentially the same experience as you get on Battle.net. Sure they have secure characters and things like that, but its the same game, same art, same everything. So, my arguement would be that battle.net is not an effective means of protecting the work, because the work is available to you without battle.net or bnetd.

    11. Re:DMCA in action by drDugan · · Score: 2



      I'm really glad this started a thread. For the
      most part I was ignorant of the details of
      the bnetd/blizzard controversy. My post was
      not meant to be a troll. The question was answered.
      The existence of a single positive use (TCP LAN
      play) may be a good reason for its existence.

      The real problem that people are struggling
      with here is that ownership of information
      doesn't make sense.
      That is why everyone
      here is so hell bent against the DMCA,
      because, the way I see it, the DMCA puts teeth
      into that ownership. I don't really agree
      with the DMCA, but if you really belive in
      content ownership, I can see how the DMCA
      makes sense.

      People don't really believe (me included)
      that it really makes sense that you can own
      an idea. Before the last five years, before
      sharing big sets of ideas (digital content)
      was so easy -- it wasn't really a problem for
      the content owners.

      I see the DMCA, and recent legislation, as a
      symptom of a more fundamental problem -- most
      people instinctively don't believe that its
      OK to own ideas. It flys against a basic
      fundamental nature.

      It used to be that individuals survived
      through cooperation, sharing -- for hundred of
      thousands of years our species all shared to
      survive. Only in the last 6,000 years has
      the norm shifted to one of individuals
      competing to survive. Not sharing to survive.

      Welcome to business 101.

      see my site

    12. Re:DMCA in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use the bnetw server to host games of warcraft battle net edition for my friends and I to play on. We all went to bestbuy and forked over the $10 for the CD and started playing. Sure we could have copied it, but for $10 why even bother!

    13. Re:DMCA in action by Rakarra · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No, LAN play is available through IPX on all their games. TCP LAN play was only added recently to help out MacOS X which does not have IPX support.

      Sorry, but IPX REALLY sucks. Network performance is terrible if you're on a local LAN and want to connect to someone across the Internet (with Kali, let's say), especially if that person is on a slow modem. Under IPX, everyone's performance is synced to the person with the slowest network connection. Battle.Net is also pretty bad -- laggy as hell, unstable, and filled with people where the average maturity seems to be that of a 12-year old. Setting up a bnetd server on my box was the best way for myself and a small circle of friends to connect together, have our own ladder games, and play in our own private environment. It probably wouldn't have been necessary if Starcraft came with a TCP/IP option, but it doesn't. (for that matter, why doesn't the TCP/IP option in Diablo2 accept hostnames instead of IP addresses?)

    14. Re:DMCA in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > How is what bnetd doing OK in any way?

      You're either a troll, or someone incredibly ignorant. Did it occur to you that Vivendi might just be firing off BULLSHIT in their letters? Reading a legal document from the bad guy isn't going to give you an accurate profile of the entirety of the situation. Hence, your ignorance.


      You failed to answer the question. And it seems to be a pretty good question... The issue isn't whether or not YOU like what vivendi/the DMCA says... It's what is written in law.

      Now please explain how circumventing the encrypted serial number security built into battlenet doesn't violate the DMCA.

    15. Re:DMCA in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How is what bnetd doing OK in any way?

      Ummm.... because they're not breaking any laws, not even bad ones, maybe?

    16. Re:DMCA in action by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
      IPX doesn't suck. That is foolish nonesense. It is very good at what it is designed for. It works well in a broadcast environment on a Local Ethernet Lan, which is precisely what the intended environment of StarCraft was targeting for. It is much more effecient then a TCP/IP implementation would have been (unless your OS has a crappy IPX stack and a very good TCP/UDP stack), especially given the original release of Starcraft. The game is what 4 years old?

      Oh yeah the other problem with UDP is that it isn't broadcast over the internet. The lag is intentional if you're playing over a modem line. Because a modem line specifically doesn't have the appropriate thru put for the overhead of sending updates immediatly, so they batch them up and sent them in a group. Hence lag. Not TCP/UDP/IP or IPX. Nature of the beast on a modem line. It is intentional. Works the same way with Quake, Unreal, StarCraft and every other multiplayer game with real-time characteristics. The performance of the game would suck otherwise.

      Starcraft does have a TCP/IP (using UDP) version go grab the latest patch. It came out 3-4 days after the Bnetd lawsuit story broke on slashdot if I remember correctly.

      If you really want to people over the internet and the game only supports IPX, look into tunnelling IPX over TCP/IP. I know it can be done with pppd on Linux, but it has been a long time since I have brushed up on my pppd. Yes it might introduce some lag, but if your playing someone over a 33.6K or 56K connection, this shouldn't be surprising. Bitching about that is roughly akin to why morse code doesn't communicate as much emotion as a human voice over a telephone. Limited bandwidth is just that limited

      I do understand that people aren't happy with Blizzard about the issue. I don't like the laws they are using to make bnetd go away. However, given a single license of Starcraft and a copy of bnetd there can easily be rampant copyright violations, I understand their desire to limit that possiblity. They have actually provided a reliable replacement for bnetd for starcraft in the 1.09b patch using udp. So nothing you want to legitimately do with Starcraft is limited by not having bnetd around. Okay it might be slightly more inconvenient but that is about it. I agree with you that going after the bnetd project the way they are is kinda slimey, but don't attack it on the grounds that you can't do what you want with the software. For any faults Blizzard has, fixing deficiences in software the bothers users is something that blizzard is very, very good at. It is why the sell so damn many copies and your still playing it 4 years later.

    17. Re:DMCA in action by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      my perspective is that although battle.net is free atm. the plan to star charging for it in the future

      mmorpg games make a nice tidy sum from their player base, I pay for two different ones every month. Sony have had nearly £300 from me so far to play Everquest.

      Mark my words, battle.net will not remain free and I predict that it will change with the release of WC3.

      bnetd is a real threat to that and the piracy thing is just a smokescreen .

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    18. Re:DMCA in action by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
      My guess is that they (c)(3) is covered by (b)(1)(b). Specifically, that given the current status, bnetd is allowing the bypassing of the CD Key check to allow TCP/IP network play. That is the technological measure that is being bypassed.

      If you don't like that you can't play over the internet without Battle.net, return the game, and write a polite letter to the company explaining to them you will happily purchase the game as soon as it can play over a TCP/IP network that doesn't involve Battle.net.

      I would imagine that (3)(f) is unimportant, given that I don't believe they are arguing that bnetd reverse engineered anything. I believe the specific problem is the CD Key check is not done.

      The fact that Bnetd offered to put the check in if there was an explaination isn't really a mitigating factor. VUD or Blizzard isn't required to provide such information. If they did, some clever person would just turn it off. If Blizzard doesn't license you to play TCP/IP based games without using Battle.net well geez, you don't have that right. I don't have the EULA handy so I can't check it out. Especially given the patches and new functionality added to Starcraft, there is no reason (with respect to StarCraft) to use the bnetd server EXCEPT to avoid the keycheck. I am unaware of any other such events on any other games.

      Blizzard isn't a bad company. I want to support them and I want them to produce new and innovative games. Legally, they are doing something that appears legal. Slimy and nasty, but legal. The DMCA is a legal law currently enacted in the United States of America. I think it is a stupid Bullshit law. But it is a law. We are a democracy in this country. If we don't like the laws we have a known procedure for fixing them. Vote the dirty rotten bastards who let it pass out of office. Vote a guy in letting them know that one of the specific reasons you voted for them was to get the repeal of the following list of stupid laws. Then make you're own personal list. Do something to voice you're opinion by getting the stupid law repealled and then you can avoid all these cases in one fell swoop.

    19. Re:DMCA in action by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      IPX doesn't suck. That is foolish nonesense. It is very good at what it is designed for.

      Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that the IPX support in the Blizzard games is not so good. It assumes very low latency, which the UDP (through battle.net at least) doesn't have a problem with. It was fine for the local LANs it was originally made for, but it doesn't work well outside of that environment. That's why I don't get much lag when I play in a game on Battle.Net with a user with a modem. Sure, some actions are a little delayed, but that's not the type of lag I'm talking about. There is lag that you get in an IPX game that you do NOT get in a TCP/IP game. It's not because of bandwidth limitations, but due to the way Blizzard games (or Starcraft, at least) sync in IPX games.

      Starcraft does have a TCP/IP (using UDP) version go grab the latest patch.

      Remember, this option is only for local LANs. It's not like Diablo II where you can host a game and someone else specifies your IP address.

      I'll lump tunneling UDP/IPX over pppd along in the "Kali" category, since they have the same effect of tunneling. So we essentially have two non-Battle.Net alternatives:

      • bnetd: Does not check for deleted/duplicate/valid CD keys, piracy is certainly possible. Has no Blizzard oversight. In itself does not allow for Warcraft 3 play.
      • kali: Does not check for deleted/duplicate/valid CD keys, piracy is certainly possible. Has no Blizzard oversight. In itself does not allow for Warcraft 3 play.
      Seems to me that Blizzard has equal reason to be annoyed by tunneling solutions and bnetd (but of course, bnetd is more specific to Blizzard games).
    20. Re:DMCA in action by Ionized · · Score: 1

      sorry, you're an idiot. battle.net is free and will always remain free. that has been one of the major selling points for all of blizzards games since the original diablo. if they changed it the backlash would be uncalculable.

    21. Re:DMCA in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blizzard is too a bad company and should be dechartered immediately.

    22. Re:DMCA in action by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      I'll bet you $5 that within 6 months it's not

      and I mean it :)

      and oh btw. it's incalculable

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    23. Re:DMCA in action by Abreu · · Score: 1
      The DMCA is a legal law currently enacted in the United States of America. I think it is a stupid Bullshit law. But it is a law. We are a democracy in this country. If we don't like the laws we have a known procedure for fixing them. Vote the dirty rotten bastards who let it pass out of office. Vote a guy in letting them know that one of the specific reasons you voted for them was to get the repeal of the following list of stupid laws. Then make you're own personal list. Do something to voice you're opinion by getting the stupid law repealled and then you can avoid all these cases in one fell swoop.


      You are so naive! You still think politicians at _any_ point think about the little guy.


      Listen up, little man. Its a jungle out there, every man for himself, and if you dont have a couple of million dollars to contribute to a politicians campaign don't count on him ever working in your favor. EVER!


      So, what should you do? If you care about Bnetd (I dont, but hey, its your call) then you get a copy of the source and stablish a mirror, preferably outside the US. Thats exactly what the people working on DeCCS (a much loftier proyect) did, instead of relying 100% on the EFF to save them.

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    24. Re:DMCA in action by Ionized · · Score: 1

      as meaningless as bets across the internet are, i'd happily take you up on that.

      and what makes you so sure that they will start charging, anyway?

    25. Re:DMCA in action by tricorn · · Score: 1
      My guess is that they (c)(3) is covered by (b)(1)(b). Specifically, that given the current status, bnetd is allowing the bypassing of the CD Key check to allow TCP/IP network play. That is the technological measure that is being bypassed.

      The CD Key doesn't prevent copying and doesn't control access to content. It only provides access to their servers. The DMCA only protects technological measures that protect content. Although you might be able to successfully claim that accessing the Battle.net servers is accessing content, that's not what is being done. DMCA doesn't apply. Copy Right - the Right to Copy - is not being violated. That they even offered to go beyond what the law requires and check for valid keys bolsters their case. It isn't a mitigating issue, it completely demolishes any inkling of an idea that they're doing this as a means of allowing unauthorized copies to be used.

    26. Re:DMCA in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For Warcraft II, only the Mac port had TCP/IP support. We have a bunch of people up here at my college that play Warcraft II (yes, still). Games even with TCP/IP support don't provide a good way to gather players except for bnetd.

    27. Re:DMCA in action by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Well, seems simple.

      It's not financially feasible to have a one-time fee and then provide a service for perpetuity.

      So Blizzard has three options:

      (a) Assume that they will never hit a monentary crunch and will keep churning out games faster and faster and get hits that are bigger and bigger and keep expanding. At some point, the costs of bnetd support for Warcraft II will exceed the amount of money they made on the game, which means that they'd have to view Warcraft II as a liability, a sunk cost. This is like Social Security or another pyramid scheme -- you assume that you will keep growing and getting bigger forever fast enough to pay for your ever growing costs. A lot of gamers seem to think this is going to happen.
      (b) Blizzard starts charging money for battle.net. A lot of other gamers seem to think that this is likely. I'd say this is possible, but not likely.
      (c) Blizzard just drops support for a game a few years after they release it. I'd bet this is what they're going to end up doing.

    28. Re:DMCA in action by Ionized · · Score: 1

      ad banners.

    29. Re:DMCA in action by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      But the problem isn't whether you feel what Blizzard is doing is *reasonable*. It's whether it has any legal grounding or not. I and many others feel that it doesn't.

      And that legal grounding can be very important. It protects the ability of people to write software without worrying that a few years down the road, some company that doesn't like it is going to manage to get it banned (and throw out months of man-work that you donated to the free software community).

      Even if you think that it wouldn't hurt for bnetd to be banned, you have to consider the consequences of what would happen if precedent is set against it.

      Remember when WinAmp supported converting WMA to other formats? MS did *not* like that -- it broke their file format monopoly. They went after Nullsoft right away. Now, Nullsoft crumbled (reasonably -- it's not worth it for a dinky company like them to take on MS) and removed export capabilities -- so you can export from anything but WMA -- but WinAmp didn't get banned. If there was precedent, MS would have loved to get WinAmp banned. It would have greatly strengthened the position of the software it pushes as an alternative -- Windows Media Player.

    30. Re:DMCA in action by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      The DMCA is not without concessions to the little guy, otherwise it would never have been passed. Very few concessions, but there are a lot of totally wrong things about trying to apply the DMCA to bnetd.

      * bnetd did not actually allow the behavior (piracy of W3) that Blizzard is claiming was the copyright issue at hand. Yes, code based on bnetd did, but that's not bnetd's fault at all (unless you're going to blame every Open Source project that has source code used in programs that could bypass copy protection).
      * bnetd has very significant non-circumvention uses, (some of which can be seen in the numerous experiences detailed here on Slashdot).
      * There are good arguments that even if somehow these other objections were bypassed, the reverse engineering for compatibility clause (I wonder why MS didn't buy off a few senators to cut this out) may be applicable.

      Finally, your claim that "Blizzard develops good games" so we should let them do bad things is bogus. Even if I agreed with you, Viviendi is freaking large, and just because a few programmers and artists that work there happen to be talented is no reason to allow a bunch of scummy lawyers to ride roughshod all over the rights of some independent software engineers.

    31. Re:DMCA in action by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      as meaningless as bets across the internet are, I'd happily take you up on that.

      you're on, I am sincere :) Don't know how we are going to remember 29/9 to see who pays up! there's one here http://www.candor.com/reminder/default.asp
      I've registered it for me

      and what makes you so sure that they will start charging, anyway?

      I don't know. It seems they are making a lot of fuss over this bnetd thing and I just get a feeling there's more to it than CD Keys.

      I'd be more than happy to be wrong. I'm a satisfied Blizzard customer myself but I've hankered after running battle.net servers myself too. There's something to be said about a smaller community with a central server. The open server idea of diablo was okay but save game fiddling was too easy (I spent an evening mass producing gems in Diablo II).

      tis just a hunch

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    32. Re:DMCA in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the fact is there has been no reports of any piracy related incidents with bnetd..basically Blizzard is using their monatary clout to kill something legit by the ridiculous NEW idea everyone has that everything is guility until proven innocent.
      The same thing happened with DeCSS, the lawyers couldnt site one incident where someone was convicted of piracy and was using decss. Its just ludicra!!!!!

    33. Re:DMCA in action by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
      It's not precisely niave. If I could force everybody who didn't vote to vote for the person I wanted, I could make micky mouse president by a landslide. You can't buy an election. Let me state that again, loudly and clearly. You can't buy an election. People vote for the guy with the best advertising, and the best PR. That costs money, but shit Forbes and Pero have more money then God and they couldn't get elected. They did try to buy the damn thing. The public thinks the guy with the best suit who shook there hand will do what they like. Having lots of money helps win an election. But it is appearing the right image that wins elections, which can cost money.

      You can buy the right to have a Bill introduced into legislation. Elections are decided by people who vote. Last time I checked, paying them was illegal. It can be fixed, but people don't do it. Shit I have never voted personally, but I starting to realize I don't like a lot of the crap that is going on, and I'll be sure to vote next time.

      I don't need any politicions to pay any attention to me, if you never re-elected the encumbant again until one of them did do what was in the best interest of those he represented the people in power would pay a bit more attention to the public. The problem is that the public goes along with whatever the guys at in charge say, and then forget that the guy in charge is only there becase we let him be there.

      As to you're advice. I am not sure we are quite to the revolutionary stage just yet. The system has well known methods for fixing the problem. The issue at hand is that the public needs to start flexing it's political muscle. Remember, that America is the land of the sleeping giants. The American public can handily solve lots of the problems with the laws and politics by just doing what the founding fathers fought for. I'm not going to go breaking any laws, that's stupid. We setup a political system that doesn't need to use such stupid tatics as the first assult. We might have to finish that way.

      When the American public decides to fix the problem, it will be happen. I'm just as cynical then you, but even I believe it can be fixed, I'm just not motivated yet. I'll be ready and at the voting booth next time. For gods sakes, for all the people who want to fix the problem. For my piece, I'll contribute to the EFF. I'll write a letter to my Congressman.

      Buy the way, congressman can be bought for $10K on most topics it is just the incredibly stupid ones that cost millions. The real irony is that the American public is the ones who fund all of the bullshit operations that are attempting to take all our freedoms away. Don't buy any CD's for a year, I'll bet money the RIAA dries up and blows away. Don't go to any rent or buy any movies, and the MPAA will dry up and go away too! We want to be entertained so we fund groups that entertain us, and then won't give up the entertainment when they try and buy bills in Congress.

    34. Re:DMCA in action by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
      The CD Key is precisely an access control. You have to have one to play the damn game. I'll bet money that two people the the same CD key can't connect to the Battle.net site, or if they do consistantly that CD key gets shut off from internet play. I don't run windows, I do happen to own 3-4 official licensed copies of Starcraft so I can't check it out for sure. The fact that they allow a LAN play with the same CD is because they are being nice. I am fairly sure that is true of the Diablo II games also.

      It still isn't a mitigating issue, they can't possibly give out the code for the CD Keys. Just be cause your willing, and unable to do something doesn't make it okay. Willing and doing would make it legal. Blizzard isn't required to divulge the secrets of their copy protection. The have centralized control with Battle.net of CD Keys, I know of keys that have been disabled on Battle.net. It IS a technology used to control access to content. It does control rampant copyright violations. It significantly limits a lot of the fun of the game if they decide to cut you off. They decided to be nice and allow piracy on a small scale and just let it go. Look at the spawning down in the original starcraft (not brood wars). It is getting around a copy protection technique. It is copyright that makes it illegal to do what you want with their content. Copy right isn't just the right to copy anymore, see the GPL... Copyright is what allows me to dictate terms to you about your usage, Copyright is the legal foundation of the GPL and is a nice legal lever.

    35. Re:DMCA in action by LafinJack · · Score: 1

      "Reading a legal document from the bad guy isn't going to give you an accurate profile of the entirety of the situation."

      The 'good guys' rarely do that either. By the way, Bnetd is the 'bad guy' and Blizzard/Vivendi are the 'good guys' on their side of the fence, remember?

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    36. Re:DMCA in action by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
      Finally, your claim that "Blizzard develops good games" so we should let them do bad things is bogus. Even if I agreed with you, Viviendi is freaking large, and just because a few programmers and artists that work there happen to be talented is no reason to allow a bunch of scummy lawyers to ride roughshod all over the rights of some independent software engineers.
      No, be pissed at the laywers. I am all for it. Don't be pissed at Blizzard because you can't do what you want to do. Blizzard is providing for TCP/IP based game play without using the Battle.net servers at least for StarCraft (I haven't done much with Diablo II). Be pissed about the laws, but a lot of people are just pissed they can't play the way they want to. Blizzard actually listened and put out the tools to allow people to play they way they want to. Unlike the bastards at say the RIAA who go nope, no uncopy protected CD's for you. All CD will be copy protected, just be cause you want to use it in a reasonable way, we won't provide that unless we make more money off of it. Blizzard put out the patches for a 4 year old game for goodness sake. They are trying to "do the right thing" and protect their copyrights. I don't like the legal instrument.

      They put out good games, and they want people to enjoy them. For goodness sake they are providing patches 4 years later for StarCraft. They are well within there rights to do what they are doing (Note I don't like that they have the rights, I want that changed. However they are within their rights or at least enough so to file a suit). Fix the root of the problems, not the symptoms was more my attempted message. Go after the DMCA, because it is a stupid law. Make sure you kill that, not Blizzard (actually if you kill the DMCA and Blizzard that is somewhat justifiable). Just be damn sure you get the law in the whole deal. You know what if everybody decides to boycott Blizzard and it puts them out of business, and the DMCA is still on the books all you have accomplished was to put a lot of talented hard working people out of a job. Even if it scares everybody for the next 10 years and nobody ever wants to enforce the DMCA for 10 years, it is still on the books and some fool could start this whole process over again.

      I was unaware of any good arguments for the reverse engineering piece. I am pretty sure the law reads that if you reverse engineer and don't break any of the other rules it is legal. My only point was that I am not sure that would let bnetd off the hook.

      For the record, I am planning to contribute to the EFF, and I am planning on writing my congressmen. I would like things to change, I just want to be sure I fix the right problems.

    37. Re:DMCA in action by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
      IPX: I have a cable modem, and don't do much in the way of Battle.net gaming. Just a personal thing I guess. So neither of those are issues for me. Basically IPX assumes 1-10MB connections with low latency thats the issues okay, I agree.

      On the UDP point, I hadn't been paying that close attention. I was lumping UDP and the Diablo II setup into the pick an IP server.

      The difference between IPX tunneling/Kali, is one costs money and the other some fairly significant expertise in networking (I couldn't set it up with out several hours worth of work). Not for the faint of heart either way.

      I would imagine that setting up a bnetd server allows people out of both issues (unknown, haven't ever used one). I am sure that Blizzard is well aware that essentially if I decide to play the game, I can not much will stop me given enough time and money.

      bnetd probably lowers the barrier to entry lower they what the deem safe for the copyright issues. Kali is also a centralized control that Blizzard can interact with. bnetd isn't because somebody can always provide the patch to disable the key checking. Where Kali can either watch for duplicate keys, or revoke accounts after some proding from Blizzard.

      Either way, Blizzard is acting pretty much in their own best interest. They are attempting to protect there legally copyrighted works. I want them to do that. Not sure the DMCA is the way to do it however.

    38. Re:DMCA in action by tricorn · · Score: 1

      I already said it may be an access control, but only to the Battle.net servers. Since bnetd doesn't give anyone access to Battle.net servers, that isn't a copyright or DMCA issue.

      Copyright is in fact precisely about the right to copy. The GPL doesn't try to control usage, it is ONLY about copying, and what it does is to ALLOW copying, under certain terms. Don't copy, GPL doesn't apply to you. If Blizzard wanted to, say, allow you to make copies of the game, but only under certain conditions (say, don't use the copied games with any server but their own), then that would be every bit as valid as the GPL. However, they do NOT get to control how you use an authorized copy of the game (i.e. one you purchased in a store).

      bnetd is under no obligation to check the authenticity of a copy of the game that connects through it. Offering to put such a check in was nice of them, but not required. Blizzard refusing to allow them to check was dumb of them, but again was not required. Saying that bnetd is bad because it encourages copyright violation is specious - it's actually Blizzard that chose that route.

    39. Re:DMCA in action by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      They went after Nullsoft right away. Now, Nullsoft crumbled (reasonably -- it's not worth it for a dinky company like them to take on MS)

      Hrm.. isn't Nullsoft owned by Netscape, aka AOL/Time Warner now?

    40. Re:DMCA in action by Abreu · · Score: 1
      Don't go to any rent or buy any movies, and the MPAA will dry up and go away too! We want to be entertained so we fund groups that entertain us, and then won't give up the entertainment when they try and buy bills in Congress.


      Thats sounds more reasonable, and its way too easy where I live, where 90% of all audio and video sold is pirated, and still the local musicians thrive.


      The not going to the movies for a year is going to be a tad more difficult though... ; )

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  6. Bnet D dosn't exist by danny256 · · Score: 1, Informative

    They have completly disbanded, all the current development is being done by Warforge and to a lesser extent Warez-U.

    1. Re:Bnet D dosn't exist by Kattare · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... anyone else on an AT&T cable modem not able to get to www.warforge.net? I can resolve the name, I can ping it, but I can't browse to it. When I use my connection at the office I can get to it just fine. I've had this problem since I first discovered warforge.net a couple of weeks ago. Is AT&T blocking my access?

    2. Re:Bnet D dosn't exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really?

      Check your facts before you spout bullshit.

  7. preview vs trailer by randomtangent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just to clear things up:
    Trailers used to be shown after a film, thus the name trailers they trail the film. But as you've I'm sure noticed most people leave the theatre well before the credits reach the top of the screen. So theatres started to show "previews" the exact same thing only before the movie. This had the added bonus of keeping people entertained. And in resent years earning ticket sales to movies people wouldn't other wise be cought dead in (wing commander anyone???)

    I just had to point this out after the talk of a preview (not a trailer) but it would be after the movie.

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    1. Re:preview vs trailer by PiGuy · · Score: 0

      But the problem with previews is people now come in /late/ to a movie, knowing they can spend their time at the concession stand and still not miss the movie. More money for the theatre, less actual exposure for the ads... perhaps advertisers will soon want to move the trailers to the /middle/ of the movie:
      You.. shall... not...
      --- On November 25, be prepared for... Toy Story III!!! (yadda yadda) ---
      ...pass!!! (Balrog falls into darkness)

    2. Re:preview vs trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "earning ticket sales to movies people wouldn't other wise be cought dead in (wing commander anyone???)"

      Uh, I would be caught ALIVE in a theater to see Wing Commander. Unfortunately, my local theater (yes, we only have one... I live in a shitty little town) didn't bring Wing Commander in, so I had to pirate it off the 'net.
      The only reason I wanted to see it is because I am, and always have been, a WC fan...

    3. Re:preview vs trailer by binarytoaster · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      to movies people wouldn't other wise be cought dead in

      Ignoring the bad bad grammar, which I'm not nitpicking at the moment, I've often wondered about this phrase. If I were dead, I wouldn't be able to be caught. I don't MOVE. Secondly, if I died somewhere, that means either a) I died because it sucked really really bad, and I died from the massive brain damage... or b) I liked it so much that I stayed until I died. A isn't very embarrassing, and B .. well, if you liked it that much, you wouldn't care, right?

      :P

    4. Re:preview vs trailer by BenHmm · · Score: 2, Informative
      Not so.

      Trailers have always been shown before the film: Origins of the word trailer says:
      To understand this, you have to harken back to the days when movies were shown continuously in theaters and audiences were allowed to sit through multiple showings of the same movie--the start times were published, and if you came in late you simply sat through the next showing until you came to the point "where you came in." This is not that long ago--I remember when this used to be the practice.

      The coming attractions reel would be spliced onto the end of the last reel of the movie, hence trailer. From the perspective of the audience member who arrived on time or a little early, the coming attractions would appear before the feature, even though technically it was at the end.


      "Preview" just refers to the fact that it is a "preview" of a forthcoming movie. Grammatically, this is more correct, or else the "preview of The Two Towers" would actually be the "preview of The F of R, which shows clips from TTT."
    5. Re:preview vs trailer by thule · · Score: 1

      I thought the preview was the showing to the test audiences. The entire movie was 'pre viewed' before the released data. The trailer is the advertising of that movie.

    6. Re:preview vs trailer by Manax · · Score: 1

      If they are before them film, they aren't trailers, they're headers!

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    7. Re:preview vs trailer by Suppafly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what are you trying to say.. you just contradicted yourself and agreed with the post you were trying to correct.
      first you say Trailers have always been shown before the film
      then later you quote

      The coming attractions reel would be spliced onto the end of the last reel of the movie, hence trailer. From the perspective of the audience member who arrived on time or a little early, the coming attractions would appear before the feature, even though technically it was at the end.


      So basically, trailers used to be at the end(but some people didn't realize it), and now they are at the beginning, which is what they parent post was saying.

    8. Re:preview vs trailer by DeRobeHer · · Score: 1

      Of course, the credits used to be shown at the beginning of the movie. Now we just the get names of the stars and the people who paid for it.

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    9. Re:preview vs trailer by RedWizzard · · Score: 2
      I've just come back from FotR, having seen the new stuff (I live in NZ where it's now 5pm Friday). It looks good and the summary on aint-it-cool.com is accurate.

      The whole preview vs trailer thing is not about when the footage is being shown, it's about the type of thing being shown. It's about four minutes long and is really just a collection of images from the The Two Towers. It doesn't have the cohesiveness that normal movie trailers have, and it's a fair bit longer. I expect there will be a "real" trailer appear in about 3 months time.

    10. Re:preview vs trailer by dhogaza · · Score: 2

      It used to be at the end, and there wasn't a fifteen minute wait while "buy an ad on this screen" ads slide-showed in your face along with ads for used cars, singles bars, bad food and the like.

      Since trailers were spliced to the end of the last reel, they spewed by while the current audience left and the next audience walked in. The hope being that the current audience left during credits and the next audience walked in afterwards to be greeted by the trailers.

    11. Re:preview vs trailer by dhogaza · · Score: 2

      No ... they just version trailers ... err previews ... issuing mulitple versions of trailers that are edited to raise excitement levels as the release date draws near isn't new, nor is it the basis for "preview" and "trailer" being synonyms in modern English.

    12. Re:preview vs trailer by RedWizzard · · Score: 2

      I'm telling you, based on actually having seen it, that this is not a standard format movie trailer. You can issue whatever denials you need to feel comfortable.

    13. Re:preview vs trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you just state that you liked the Wing Commander movie? Did you mean that at one point you were looking forward to seeing it?

      I can understand the later, but not the former. I saw WC on TV and I must say that if it weren't for Commercials, I probably would have gouged my eyes out. It was like watching a car wreck. I just couldn't look away.

      the horror...the horror...

    14. Re:preview vs trailer by daeley · · Score: 2

      Good god, 'preview vs. trailer' is turning into 'vi vs. emacs' LOL

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  8. Email the media! by HanzoSan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oreilly@foxnews.com

    tell them you hate DMCA and why

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    1. Re:Email the media! by sheldon · · Score: 2

      Yeah, tell O'Reilly the DMCA is an evil bill created by the Democrats to appease the liberals in Hollywood, and he's sure to have a 4 hour special on the issue.

      Better yet, tell jim Jesse Jackson supports it! That'll get his attention!

      #insert "drippingsarcasm.h"

    2. Re:Email the media! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't you a funny little bastard. Oh wait, no. Stick to nerdspeak in your own little secluded society, you fucking scum.

    3. Re:Email the media! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um.. isn't this a nerd site?

    4. Re:Email the media! by sheldon · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but your post really didn't make any sense.

      Were you trying to say something? Accuse me of something? Obviously it must have been important or you would have spewed vitriol like you did.

  9. Ken Hamidi is not an ordinary spammer by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Usually a SPAMMER is trying to sell you something. Ken is telling people at Intell that Intel sucks and their employment practices and working conditions suck. This deserves more protection than the "Cheap Viagra" or "Send $5 to 5 people and make $16,400 in 14 days.".


    Commercial speech deservces less protection than non-commercial speech. In addition, complaints about employment practices may come under protection by the ADA, FMLA, Title VII, and the NLRA.


    But, this intersect with the rights of Intel to have control over their mail servers. Maybe the lawmakers should look at this case when drafting anti-spam statutes.

    1. Re:Ken Hamidi is not an ordinary spammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      You really think Intel ought to be forced to accept anti-management drivel from disgruntled former employees MORE than we should be forced to accept completely unrelated spam? Now that's a perverse ruling if I ever heard one.

      A private company has a right to keep protesters off its own property, but not off the sidewalk. Likewise, a company has the right to keep protesters off its email servers, but not to kick them off the Internet.

      Disclaimer: I work at Intel and I LIKE it here.

    2. Re:Ken Hamidi is not an ordinary spammer by karb · · Score: 1
      Commercial speech deservces less protection than non-commercial speech.

      Why?

      If all your spam was from non-profits, or individuals with a bone to pick, would that make you happier? Do you support insipid chain-mails, since they come from people rather than corporations?

      The lack of apparent financial motives (or any motive, for that matter) is hardly a justification for permitting spam.

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      Jack Valenti and the MPAA are to technology as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone

    3. Re:Ken Hamidi is not an ordinary spammer by Performer+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're right, he's not. He's a willfully miscievous disgruntled employee who persistently sent email to ALL of Intel's employees at work. He wasn't content to do this once, but repeated his spamming. All intel did was get an injunction against the guy to stop him sending emails to 30,000 employees at a time. He is not being convicted, he's being told to stop pestering the company. The guy had his say at least 3 times but just wouldn't stop. What do you do with a nut like this?

      Are we supposed to just let individuals repeatedly send one sided biased screeds to tens of thousands of employees at their old place of work and keep doing it without the company being able to do anything about it? It is abusing the company's email system in the worst way.

    4. Re:Ken Hamidi is not an ordinary spammer by snilloc · · Score: 1
      ::Commercial speech deservces [sic] less protection than non-commercial speech.

      :Why?

      Because the US Supreme Court has said so. Non-commercial speech is usually in the realm of religious or political speech - the most protected forms of speech under the 1st amendment for obvious reasons. (I think pr0n also falls into non-commercial speech, but isn't protected very much. I admittedly need to review my Constitutional law...)

  10. teasers, previews, trailers by perdida · · Score: 3, Insightful

    baaaa.. everyone is sheep of the movie industry.

    I would think that this is a way to get people to see movies repeatedly in the theater at the inflated price... your average geek can see LOTR on some pirated version by now, so all the replay value has to be added via these teasers n'previews.

    You are drooling because of a very short piece of film, and you are allowing yourself to be marketed to. The fansites could be very useful centers of discussion and analysis, if they weren't so breathlessly following announcements of a teaser of a trailer.

    1. Re:teasers, previews, trailers by gilroy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Blockquoth the poster:

      I would think that this is a way to get people to see movies repeatedly in the theater at the inflated price...

      I would think this would be so obvious as to hardly be worth noting. In economic terms, look at it this way: Every time you see LOTR (unless you are an addict), your marginal utility drops. Eventually it falls below the unit price, at which point you are no longer willing to spend the money to see the film. If prices could fluctuate, the ticket price might fall to entice you back in. But movie tickets are essentially fixed. So it seems like they could never make more money off this from you.


      But lo! They add some teaser material. Now, assuming you want to see the teaser, they've added marginal utility back to the experience. Your ticket, at say $8, buys more and, if they're right, this raises your satisfaction to the level where you're willing to shell it out.


      But that isn't to say that the new material need be worth $8. It might only be worth $0.40 to you. But if you value seeing LOTR again at $7.60 -- if that were the price you'd have been willing to pay to see it -- then, with the additional material, your utility is $8 and you're willing to go back. So that little bit of value, small in itself, might still justify the trip.


      Gotta love Econ 101.

    2. Re:teasers, previews, trailers by Ashok · · Score: 1

      That's all very sound, unless you go for some sort of all-you-can-eat affair, which at least one chain (UGC) in the UK offers. It's ten quid a month for most of the country, or twenty if you want to include any of the four closest to my house (which means you are up if you go about 3 times every four weeks).

      At that point you're only left with working out if it is worth spending the time to watch the film, and I've watched more great films I didn't know much about than I have sat through mindless pap.

      All in I end up happier from getting to not be per-incident bothered about how good a film is ('is it worth it?' &c), and that in itself is worth something to me too.

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      ash
      ... You can call it a wizard once it can do bloody magic
    3. Re:teasers, previews, trailers by sconeu · · Score: 2

      And every dollar you spend on going to the theatre to watch FotR will go into the pockets of the people who bought the DMCA and are lobbying for the CBDTPA.

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    4. Re:teasers, previews, trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely, Mr. Traficant is quaking in his boots at the prospect of being interviewed by Ms. Sassaman. Ms. Sassaman's reporting is the most hard-hitting; the most insightful; the most fact-based. Every interview she does (how many... two now?) opens a Pandora's box of corruption and intrigue.

      Ms. Sassaman concocts many a rich fantasy in her clouded mind. Her writing never seems to hit the mark. That is because it is never based in anything resembling reality. How many times have we been teased with suggestions of "having it cold" that a "certain large company" is involved in far-reaching scandal? How many times have we been promised penetrating interviews with the rich and famous?

      I think it has become painfully obvious that Ms. Sassaman lives in a world completely of her own manufacture. "I'm going to interview Jamez Traficante." "I'm going to blow the lid off of nookie." "I'm going to expose the corruption going on in Russian Blue cat farms."

      Yes. We believe you, Esther. Now, go in for your schizophrenia treatment and quiet down.

      Now, there is nothing wrong with living in a fantasy. And there is nothing wrong with setting goals for yourself. But Kuro5hin has had enough of Ms. Sassaman's blatant and admitted trolling and attention farming. After having read this diary entry several times, I can see no other purpose than to say to all of Kuro5hin: "Look at me! I'm a hot-shot journalist and I'm going to interview Jamez Traficante! Please heap your adulation on me now!"

      Sorry, not this time. Perhaps a better place to have posted this diary would have been Adequacy, which is the intended victim of this fantasy interview. What, pray tell, was the reason for posting this here? To get more traffic for Adequacy, which has been in steady decline for several months now? Probably. And, of course, personal attention.

      In summary, I guess I can only point out that I have spoken to people who were under the influence of LSD and still had more grounding in reality than Ms. Sassaman. Perhaps she would do well to pack her knapsack and hitch a ride to China, where her delusions of grandeur and fantasies of conspiracy could be put to good use in a propaganda machine.

      Bye.

    5. Re:teasers, previews, trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely, Mr. Traficant is quaking in his boots at the prospect of being interviewed by Ms. Sassaman. Ms. Sassaman's reporting is the most hard-hitting; the most insightful; the most fact-based. Every interview she does (how many... two now?) opens a Pandora's box of corruption and intrigue.

      Ms. Sassaman concocts many a rich fantasy in her clouded mind. Her writing never seems to hit the mark. That is because it is never based in anything resembling reality. How many times have we been teased with suggestions of "having it cold" that a "certain large company" is involved in far-reaching scandal? How many times have we been promised penetrating interviews with the rich and famous?

      I think it has become painfully obvious that Ms. Sassaman lives in a world completely of her own manufacture. "I'm going to interview Jamez Traficante." "I'm going to blow the lid off of nookie." "I'm going to expose the corruption going on in Russian Blue cat farms."

      Yes. We believe you, Esther. Now, go in for your schizophrenia treatment and quiet down.

      Now, there is nothing wrong with living in a fantasy. And there is nothing wrong with setting goals for yourself. But Kuro5hin has had enough of Ms. Sassaman's blatant and admitted trolling and attention farming. After having read this diary entry several times, I can see no other purpose than to say to all of Kuro5hin: "Look at me! I'm a hot-shot journalist and I'm going to interview Jamez Traficante! Please heap your adulation on me now!"

      Sorry, not this time. Perhaps a better place to have posted this diary would have been Adequacy, which is the intended victim of this fantasy interview. What, pray tell, was the reason for posting this here? To get more traffic for Adequacy, which has been in steady decline for several months now? Probably. And, of course, personal attention.

      In summary, I guess I can only point out that I have spoken to people who were under the influence of LSD and still had more grounding in reality than Ms. Sassaman. Perhaps she would do well to pack her knapsack and hitch a ride to China, where her delusions of grandeur and fantasies of conspiracy could be put to good use in a propaganda machine.

      Bye.

  11. What's the difference between a preview and... by 56ker · · Score: 1

    a trailer in the LotR story?

    1. Re:What's the difference between a preview and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The preview is longer than a trailer, and has more info, more shots, more details, more everything. Also, this preview will be at the end of the movie, not at the beginning.

  12. Great Band Name! by benjcorey · · Score: 3, Funny


    Decidedly Salmon is a great band name.

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    Fat people are harder to kidnap.
    1. Re:Great Band Name! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Decidedly Salmon is a great band name.

      This will be a boon for Leftover Salmon.

    2. Re:Great Band Name! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dave Barry, is that you...?

  13. Re:In other news... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Oil was found in URANUS! Film at 11:00.

    That's not oil in Uranus, that's vaseline...

  14. example of more DMCA uselessness by CoreDump · · Score: 5, Informative
    In this article, here's another stunning example of how the DMCA doesn't bring anything new to the table in terms of preventing piracy/copyright abuse.

    The man in question, pleading guilty under both Copyright law and the DMCA for illegally copying video tapes, faces the following sentances:

    • Copyright law: 60 years imprisonment and $3,000,000 fine.
    • DMCA: 5 year imprisonment and $500,000 fine.

    What was so lacking in the punishment for violating the copyright laws that the DMCA was needed?

    This and the Blizzard BNETD case show, IMHO, that the DMCA is nothing more than a legal weapon paid for the entertainment industry to chill any speech or action that they feel cuts into their profits. It does not impact the 'for-profit' pirates that actually cost the industry revenue, it tramples on the average consumer.

    Copying copyrighted video tapes was illegal before the DMCA. There is no need for an additional law like the DMCA to put "fear" into the pirates like this guy. They face stricter punishments for violating copyright laws than they do the DMCA. The DMCA just broadens the scope to include that so-called gray area that is the average consumer wanting to time-shift/space-shift their belongings, which happens to cut into the entertainment industries profits.

    Fuck the DMCA and Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen.

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    Segmentation Fault ( core dumped )

    1. Re:example of more DMCA uselessness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sory, but the correct conjugation of "Fuck the DMCA and Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen" is "Fuck the DMCA and Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen. Fuck the DMCA and Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen up their stupid asses"

    2. Re:example of more DMCA uselessness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sory, but the correct conjugation of "Fuck the DMCA and Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen" is "Fuck the DMCA and Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen. Fuck the DMCA and Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen up their stupid asses"

      Unless of course you take "jack" and "hillary" to be verbs.

  15. If a tree falls in the woods... by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 1

    Now that the quantifiable color of the universe has been computed, can it be seen by the human eye? This is a great computational effort, but can our eyes tell the difference? It looks pretty blue when I turn my head toward the sky during the day, but pretty black when I repeat the experiment at night. Strange...

    --
    "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
  16. Email trespassing url by Blasphemy · · Score: 2, Informative
    The url for the story on CA's supreme court taking another look at the intel employee banned from emailing anyone at intel isn't quit right.

    The correct url is here.

  17. salmon... by sdflkgfljdqshgjkqsfg · · Score: 2, Funny

    good work guys! Salmon it is... right, so now we know its size, mass, expansion rate, age, density, constituents (most), and now color .... could we maybe figure out its smell?

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    how does one change his /. id?
    1. Re:salmon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      poo wee

  18. Re:I Touch Myself by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 0

    When I think about The Lyrics Guy, I touch myself.

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  19. Re:I Touch Myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is not a man. He is a machine. He is like a piece of iron.

  20. LOTR by 3141 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love the Lord of the Rings trilogy. It is easily my favourite book. I vastly enjoyed BBC Radio 4's adaptation of it, and I quite enjoyed the animated film.

    With that in mind, I can't understand why people loved Peter Jackson's film so much. I tried to remain open minded, but I found it incredibly hard not to just walk out in anger.

    He completely ruined the spirit of the tale, and quite unecessarily at that. Most of his changes were totally not needed. Once he decided to remove Tom Bombadil/The Barrow Downs he easily had enough time to remain true to the story, and so many of his alterations took longer to correct later on in the story than he would have ever have saved if he'd just left it be.

    That is one of the main problems with making alterations to a story as deep as The Lord of the Rings, if you remove one thing, all the other parts of the story connected to it have to be altered, which cause more alterations later on.

    Plus since when has 4 Oscars been a "snub"?

    1. Re:LOTR by noone42 · · Score: 0

      Once he decided to remove Tom Bombadil/The Barrow Downs he easily had enough time to remain true to the story, and so many of his alterations took longer to correct later on in the story than he would have ever have saved if he'd just left it be. Which alterations are these? Removing Tom Bombadil didn't change much at all. When I read the books the first time I even said to myself "What's the point of this whole section?". I understand that it does add to the mood of the books, but in terms of story he adds almost nothing. Most of the other changes seemed to be simple things that didn't change anything. Keep in mind that he is trying to appeal to both the LOTR enthusiasts and the general public. Including a lot of the travelling scenes or the extent of the dialogue would have made the movie unbearably boring for most viewers. I personally felt that the movie did a marvelous job of taking something as complex as LOTR is and bringing it down to something that's digestable in three hours.

    2. Re:LOTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, as a rabid Tolkien fan who has been rereading the books for 30 years, I really have a problem with people like you. You do not know how to let go and enjoy the movie for what it is: a wonderful adaptation of the book, and much better than we could have expected, given past attempts (especially the horrid animated versions).

      Plus, it's a good movie in its own right; millions who have never read the books saw it and enjoyed it as a movie. Obviously Peter Jackson is doing something right.

      Complaining about what was left out - especially Tom Bombadil or the Barrow Downs - is just plain silly. There is no way Jackson - or anyone - could have included that material without totally bogging the storyline down and ruining the movie. It had to go.

      Similarly, the other changes were necessary to make the story flow as a movie script. There is no way of avoiding these necessary changes.

      I suggest you do what I did: see the movie again. I enjoyed it the first time, but spent too much time obsessing over every little thing that was changed. By the second and third viewing I was simply enjoying the movie, and not worrying about the changes.

    3. Re:LOTR by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I absolutely agree on that. As I already said once, the biggest mistake was Saruman's attitude. Jackson made a joke out of a power-hungry wizard. In the books you can clearly see that Saruman plays Sauron against Gandalf and the Army of Light just for getting the One Ring and becoming the Dark Lord himself. In the Movie Saruman is a coward. Because of being afraid of Sauron he joins him, being his servant. At the same time, Saruman is the Great Enemy of the first movie and Sauron becomes unimportant.

      Though cutting Bombadil and Gildor is not nice, it could be forgiven. But cutting the gift scene in Lorien is a crime! I wonder how Jackson will explain many things relating to those gifts. I really do not understand why cutting that - it were mere 5 minutes, but 5 very important ones.

      I have seen the movie 6 times already and I can only say... it is very beautiful, but it isn't enough. It sparks but it doesn't catch fire. Too bad such a possibility is missed.

      Maybe we Tolkien fans should stand together and create a (computer) animated Lord of the Rings how it SHOULD be and the Great Maker said it. It is possible to do that - the books specify many things very clearly. It is shown best when you download some Tolkien art images from the internet and compare them to the movie. They are pretty much alike because of that.

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    4. Re:LOTR by torqer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hmmmm. Is this simple a case of not liking something because it is popular?

      anyways...

      He hardly has time to remain 100% true to the story. Which is basically an unachievable goal. I can't think of any case where that has happened. It might be close but there are ALWAYS differences. That is notwithstanding poor casting, which IMO, did not happen in FOTR.

      Lord of the Rings is about half a million words. There is no conceivable way that even with selective edits and ellipsis that that big of a work can be compressed accurately into 9-10 hours of screenplay (for all three parts of the story). The BBC's radio version was very near 13 hours.

      Again other mitigating circumstances appear. While yourself, most of the people here, and I can vividly recall almost every scene and the order that each character is introduced the vast majority of the public cannot. In fact, this might be their introduction to it. Thus the story had to have more edits (other than those due to time constraints).

      With the fact that it could not replicate every detail or even attempt to... It was still superb. It was epic; it was fun; it was well acted... It did indeed capture the essence of the original work.

      If you looked closely you could see several details of exactly how well crafted it was. The broaches given to the company appeared after visiting Galadriel -- time constraints didn't allow that story to be told. But the items themselves WERE there. There are several similar circumstances were time would not allow everything to be told, but they still happened.

      Take it as it was offered - A standalone work that did well to represent the original and brought more people into the realm of Middle-Earth

    5. Re:LOTR by rapett0 · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of what you said, however:

      1. Bombadil was a good drop. Why? Because while I feel he is critical to the book, his story is removed from the rest of the book. He is sort of the "history backup". So dropping him from the movie was obvious for time.

      2. Many of the changes, such as Striders love scene, are forced into the movie to help blandify (that a word) the work. Why? To make it more appealing across the bell curve. If it was crazy sex, it would offend the Christians. If it was a gaze of love, pRon freaks be up in arms. So the balance.

      I think the biggest rip has always been Frodo's fame! Samwise does all the work!

      So come Towers, just chill out. Its a 40 hour book to read out loud, they put it in 3 hours of movie.

    6. Re:LOTR by curunir · · Score: 2

      I have to say I agree with nearly everything you said. However, I also count myself amongst the group that loved the film.

      As someone who's read LotR (and re-read many times), I found fault with nearly all of the script decisions that the movie made. However, the movie amazed me visually. Seeing Hobbiton, Rivendell, Moria and Orthanc come to life before my eyes made the movie well worth the price of admission (they did get Lorien wrong in my mind, but no one's perfect ;).

      And Ian McKellan *is* Gandalf...if he doesn't win an Oscar for one of the movies, I'll be upset.

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      "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
    7. Re:LOTR by DarkProphet · · Score: 2

      Completely ruined the spirit of the tale? I have to disagree. I hadn't read The Lord Of The Rings before I watched LOTR::FOTR. While its true that for the most part, I was confused as all hell, it did spark my curiosity enough to read the the trilogy. Just recently I finished The Silmarillion. Now in retrospect, I couldn't see how Jackson could have stayed any truer to some aspects of the story. "Oh but this is left out and what about this and that blah blah" you say? Hmm well some stuff did deserve to be left out. The whole Bombadil thing is only a side-venture and the rest of the story does not depend on it. As for other stuff that seems left out (like the reforging of Narsil), perhaps we'll get a flashback to that in LOTR::TTT. I guess that point could be said about anything that seems to be left out of LOTR::FOTR.

      Anyway, all I am getting at is that the movie trilogy has not been fully revealed to us, so I'd save any critique about it (as in contrast to the book) until all three movies have been released. Also, LOTR::FOTR was interesting enough that I was compelled to read the whole book. Jackson must have gotten something right, because I have an urge to see the movie again.

      Now what I think would be pretty badass would be a movie-translation of the Silmarillion. No offense to those cute hobbits, but the creation of Arda thru the end of the Second Age are more interesting to me. It'd be pretty badass to witness the Music of Ainur, the beauty of the Undying Lands, the creation and loss of the Silmarils (and Morgoth getting his ass kicked but good), and the rise and fall of Numenor. After all, The Silmarillion sets the stage for Lord Of The Rings. Any fan of Middle-Earth that hasn't read The Silmarillion should do so. Now if I could just become fluent in the high-elven tongue... hehe

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    8. Re:LOTR by dondelelcaro · · Score: 1
      The whole Bombadil thing is only a side-venture and the rest of the story does not depend on it.
      The only problem with removing bombadil is that it withdraws the early involvement with an Ent decendant in the story. (A race that is notably absent from the silmarillion as well...) Not that I would have included it either in the movie (although I would have sat through a 6 hour production) as it is not strictly necessary, as a forshadowing device, it is usefull to the story.
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    9. Re:LOTR by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      Uh...actually, he was not complaining about Tom and the Downs being cut out, but saying that since PJ cut them out, he shouldn't have needed mess with the book anymore, and should been able to put Galadriels gifts and other things in as they should have been.

      I agree with you - it's a good adaptation, but then again, I also like the Bakshi version, and in some ways find it more "faithful", and find that PJ did some direct lifting from that movie in his.

      Either way, I reread the books rather often as well, so I have become used to and tuned into deviations - which can be annoying, but oh well.

      As long as Moria is done well, I don't care who does it :)

    10. Re:LOTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A race that is notably absent from the silmarillion as well...)

      eh...?

      They where there killing dwarves last time I read the Silmarillion. :-)

      Anyway, what makes you think Bombadill is an ent decendant? (If that's what you meant...) Gandalf's mention of him ("i'm a stone doomed to rolling" or something like that) seems to implie that they are both Maiar.

    11. Re:LOTR by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      If you looked closely you could see several details of exactly how well crafted it was.

      Everything that was shown was accurate (in the details) - even down to the oars they used were right. The big stuff got moved around, but that was to cover the stuff cut. Even my second biggest complaint, the long battle scenes, were probably necessary. In the book, some of the scenes were 500 words - but you can quickly *say* "the battle raged on around them for hours", but to *show* that it was a long, tough battle takes time.

      (Incidently, I liked how they showed the wizards power were not on the "toss lightning" modern style, but more "control the weather and talk to animals"... which was horribly negated by the really dumb looking wizard battle. That would be my biggest complaint about the movie. Although I'd love to see a half hour, stand alone version of Tom Bombadil, complete with songs, included in the boxed set).

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      Evan

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      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    12. Re:LOTR by tb3 · · Score: 2

      If it was crazy sex, it would offend the Christians. If it was a gaze of love, pRon freaks be up in arms.

      Or it could have gone off on some pervy hobbit fancying tangent.

      And Sam will kill him if he tries anything.

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    13. Re:LOTR by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      it did spark my curiosity enough to read the the trilogy. Just recently I finished The Silmarillion.

      Just looking at how well LotRs is selling (the book, not the movie), and that, by itself, is a good enough reason for the movie. The fact that people are getting into the Silmarillion from the movie is icing.

      (And I second your notion - the creation being a Fantasia like opening on the front (a la the Pixar shorts), and then the events of the Second Age would truely kick azz). --
      Evan

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      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    14. Re:LOTR by elmegil · · Score: 1
      I quite enjoyed the animated film.

      You just gave up any credibility you might have had to criticize the movie with. The animated film was an utter piece of dreck.

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      7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
    15. Re:LOTR by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2
      After some consideration, I find that I must agree with you. Actually, I really enjoyed the movie, but when I dusted off my old book and hooked up with the BBC radio adaptation, I must say that I liked PJ's movie much less.

      Everything in it felt incredibly rushed; it was nuts! It turns out that the BBC play took about 4 hours to do FoTR, including narration of visuals which were obviously missing. Still they left in a whole lot more dialogue. It was actually more interesting and exciting than the movie--and ten times deeper. PJ cut an hour off that time, but on film he had the luxury of conveying a lot more information per unit time, because he has both audio and video. So why does it feel like I got so much less?

      To be fair to him, I'm not sure I could pick out many parts that I thought were a waste of time. I do remember some distortions which I thought to be unnecessary because they saved no time at all, but perhaps they set us up for future distortions in the other two movies. Maybe the problem with LOTR is that it's not inherently filmable.

    16. Re:LOTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think he meant old man willow or wotever (although in my book, not ent kin)

    17. Re:LOTR by hgiddens · · Score: 1

      I recommend anyone who enjoyed LOTR to check out Peter Jackson's earlier works---especially 'Brain Dead' and 'Bad Taste'. High quality movies...

    18. Re:LOTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >Complaining about what was left out - especially Tom Bombadil or the Barrow Downs - is just plain silly.

      Read before replying. What he actually said was:

      "Once he decided to remove Tom Bombadil/The Barrow Downs he easily had enough time to remain true to the story, and so many of his alterations took longer to correct later on in the story than he would have ever have saved if he'd just left it be."

      > Similarly, the other changes were necessary to make the story flow as a movie script. There is no way of avoiding these necessary changes.

      The screenwriters cut Tom for time. Fine. BBC Radio did the same thing. However, PJ then spends 20 minutes on every fight scene, and very little time on dialogue after they leave Hobbiton. The fight scenes don't flow worth a damn, and take time away from actual story and character development. I loved the books, but the movie fell way short of expectation. They miss key themes and key scenes. They change events around for no useful reason.

      The acting and directing were good, but that script just sucked. Philippa Boyens was a first-time screenwriter who spewed out nonsense like this:

      "For example, in the first book, The Fellowship of the Ring, there are
      four Hobbits who go on a journey," Boyens says. "If you were sitting
      down quite callously just to make a screenplay, you wouldn't
      necessarily want to use all four characters. But I thought it was
      important to have all four Hobbits in the fellowship, so we kept them
      in. That's just part of the job, making creative decisions and dealing
      with details."

      Uh, yeah, Tolkien didn't know what he was doing. But she's the expert?

      Merry and Pippin are reduced to comic relief and bonehead mistakes. Frodo is saved by Arwen, who gets the drop on Aragorn (the scared) while Boromir is a sensitive guy who cries when Gandalf LETS GO of the bridge. Gimli doesn't want to be tossed.

      Frodo never stands up to the Riders at the Ford. Pippin does not, of his own free will, drop a stone down the well in Moria -- it's an accident! This incident, along with the Palantir, were actually important choices Pippin makes. Everyone at the Council is an expert on the Ring. Sauron is defeated by having his fingers sliced off -- instead of being defeated by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men with their two leaders perishing even as they overthrow Sauron and then Isildur taking the Ring from Sauron's lifeless body. Lothlorien is pretty run-down (it should have no blemish at all). Haldir is a pasty fat Elf. Arwen is a Level 18 Magic-User. She also becomes mortal after PRAYING, instead of by her choice to remain in Middle-Earth after the end of the Third Age. This was done to give Frodo an Elf-infusion so he wouldn't kick off. However, Hobbits are SUPPOSED to be tough in the fibre, Frodo especially, that's why they can resist the Ring. Aragorn sends Frodo away while Merry and Pippin distract the Orcs. Sam is never given a chance to FIGURE THINGS OUT, yet another pivotal scene in the book. Saruman is MIND-CONTROLLED by Sauron, he doesn't choose his own path, either!

      It goes on and on. Face it, it IS possible to do a better job of FOTR in 3 hours. You just spend less time on cave trolls, orcs, etc. getting dismembered. Then you can fit more story in. It was ridiculous how in many scenes they changed details for no apparent reason. They take more time with their own additions than with the original story.

      The best that can be said about the movie is "The film and the book share many similarities".

    19. Re:LOTR by Yunzil · · Score: 1

      Because of being afraid of Sauron he joins him, being his servant.

      Oh really? If you think that you should go see the movie a seventh time. :)

      Consider this --
      Saruman: Whom do you serve?
      Lurtz: Saruman! [ie, not Sauron]

    20. Re:LOTR by daeley · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure if we can trust anyone named curunir You don't have a buddy named Gríma, do you? ;-)

      Anyhow, I am in complete agreement. In ring-like fashion, seeing all that come to life was obscured by the tears coming to my eyes at seeing it all come to life. I lost my breath, it was that good.

      Which version of the DVD to get... or do I get all of them? Bwa ha ha. :-D

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  21. Re:I Touch Myself by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 0

    It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

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  22. "The universe is decidedly salmon. Really." by Ieshan · · Score: 2

    Really? And we all thought we were joking originally when we said the universe was flesh-toned. Or... was that the internet?

  23. LOTR: TTT preview / trailer on Fri., *NOT* Sat. by binaryfeed · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to the cited LordOfTheRings.net, the preview / trailer will be shown as early as Friday, not Saturday as was reported above.

    That was close! I already have my tickets for my 5th screening tomorrow (Friday).

    1. Re:LOTR: TTT preview / trailer on Fri., *NOT* Sat. by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2

      Actually, I saw it last night (thurs), looks fantastic. I know some things have needed to be left out of the films, but man, Jackson looks to have done an excellent job.

      On a side note, when can we get a prop auction or something? The things they created for the films are just awesome.

    2. Re:LOTR: TTT preview / trailer on Fri., *NOT* Sat. by paynter · · Score: 1

      On a side note, when can we get a prop auction or something?

      My parents visted Weta Creature Shop the other week (long story) and they said that they still have hundreds of big containers of props sitting around, just in case Peter Jackson decides to reshoot a scene and needs things exactly as they were.

      I've heard that, in the end, the props will be split 50-50 between Weta and the movie distributer who put up the cash (and whose name I forget - doh). The movie company is expected to flog their s to the highest bidder; I don't know about Weta, but I hope they'll attempt to sell to Te Papa (Museum of New Zealand) or something.

      BTW, everyone at Weta is working on upscale merchandising, apparently. They gave Mum and Dad a Gandalf statue. Very nice folks, from what I hear.

  24. Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by binarytoaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Vivendi knows it, and the EFF knows it, and it's easily made obvious by this overwhelmingly clear statement:

    We have reviewed the arguments in your letter, and do not find them convincing. We continue to believe [that bnetd is] an infringement of VUG's copyrights. Those activities implicate a number of VUG's exclusive rights under copyright... etc etc.

    Their response is classic, and I love their lawyer.

    It would be more helpful in the future, however, if rather than summarily claiming that you believe that "the activities engaged in by www.bnetd.org" violate "a number" of your copyrights, you would state specifically what portions of the website and which particular files you believe are infringing, which of your copyrights you believe are infringed and how. We are also uncertain about the exact nature of the technological protection measure you believe has been circumvented...

    The CD-Key protection isn't really a "protection measure" per se. You can install the game without using a valid key, you can even play the single-player mode (well, there IS no SP mode in the beta, but you know what I mean) without a true key. Ergo, a circumvention has only occurred if I loaded a program that caused your official server to validate my fake key.

    Vivendi knows this, and that's why they're unclear about the "several copyrights" that were infringed. The copyrights were to the "for" method, the "if" statement, the "void" function type and the "main()" function, is the only thing I can see here...

    But I suppose I shouldn't joke about that, or we'll have some bright guy trying to patent them, eh?

    Bah. I find this highly amusing....

    1. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by barawn · · Score: 2

      The funny thing is, if they want to say that the beta is their true reason for doing this, bnetd doesn't even support WC3 right now.

      Blizzard can't possibly claim that battle.net cd-key checking is a copy protection method: it doesn't stop the copies from being made, or even from working (they DO work) - just prevents copies (actually, 'certain reported CD-keys' - so it could actually be used to ban individual people for no reason, even though Blizzard hasn't done this - yet) from working with their servers.

      I have no idea why Blizzard is doing this, or why they haven't noticed that Vivendi's lawyers are monkeys (see my other post - that letter is real big crap, and they misinterpreted the USC 512 code they quoted). Vivendi's throwing money away, when Blizzard should be working with bnetd to try to fix this. If they really want to save money and stop piracy (rather than just charge for battle.net at a later time, which is what they REALLY want to do) they'd be doing that, which is what id software and every other game manufacturer in the world with online play has done.

    2. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by binarytoaster · · Score: 1

      One really does wonder if Blizzard knows what's going on here, or if it was just a bored lawyer at Vivendi looking for something to do one day.

      You're right, bnetd doesn't support WC3 - and the bnetd fork that does was maintained by Warforge, who took it off their site in response to this.

      Trigger-happy lawyer, I think.

    3. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by barawn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Blizzard's FAQ on their site unfortunately makes me believe that they do know, though I think they're mainly just being told what their lawyers tell them.

      What I'd LIKE to point out to them is that there are several solutions (hello! math!) where they can guarantee that only legal copies are being used on battle.net, and provide an easy way for bnetd to prevent illegal copies there as well.

      (Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm aware hackers could work around this, but it would take a lot of effort, and they'd have to hack both bnetd and their own client, so then it's not so easy)

      You could easily give the CD-KEY to a blizzard keychecking server, which then not only figures out if the key is correct, but then generates a unique number, which, when hashed together with the original CD-KEY on the client, activates the product. Blizzard then forwards the result back to the bnetd server, and the bnetd server passes it back to the client. If it's incorrect, the client doesn't run (here's the key - the CLIENT doesn't run, not the server doesn't allow the client. The DMCA prevents you from bypassing something designed to prevent CLIENT copying, on the CLIENT).

      You could hack around this, by altering both the bnetd server, and hacking the client to do it as well, but that's complicated and then Blizzard could go after people who are distributing the hacks that do that, rather than bnetd, because THAT would be clearly illegal.

      This is better than a simple blind "accept/reject" system because it requires that any battle.net server has to communicate with Blizzard (or figure out the algorithm behind the Battle.net check/second key generation, which can be made quite difficult) and Blizzard guarantees that things are OK.

    4. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by binarytoaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Three issues with this.

      First, it wouldn't be incredibly hard to develop a method by which one found a bunch of valid keys by spamming the keyserver.

      Second, if you're going to say that the server itself never knows that the key going through it is actually valid, you don't need to hack the bnetd server, just the client. If the bnetd server knows if it's correct or not, then (since this is an OSS product, it's made easier) one could make their server dump all keys that came up valid to a file, and thereby harvest many many keys.

      And third, as has already been pointed out, they don't care about piracy, they want to charge for b.net access. The piracy slant is a coverup.

    5. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by barawn · · Score: 2

      That's true - it wouldn't be hard to do that. It would also be illegal, and they could then go after those people. If this ever goes to trial (which it won't, as a judge would throw it out in a heartbeat) that point would be brought up, and I think a judge would find it hard to argue with that.

      You're right about not hacking the server, though - the clients could just communicate with a keyserver completely separate from the bnetd protocol completely - oh wait. That would be intelligent. :)

    6. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by binarytoaster · · Score: 1

      And again, you have the problem of a client that can simply ignore the keyserver, and when bnetd asks, "Didja activate?" "Sure! Let me in!"

      Without proof, either way, you're screwed. With proof, you're insecure.

      Maybe an encrypted version of the CD key... but then you'd still be able to log them and figure it out eventually :P

    7. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by Xerithane · · Score: 2

      There have been much posts about people getting bnetd to work with war3beta though. The letter got shipped to bnetd.org shortly after the first posting of the war3beta running smoothly from a crack while on bnetd.

      Blizzard doesn't like that much, and I am pretty sure that this is just Vivendi's doing. Blizzard is probably just wanting to write a damned game.

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    8. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by quantaman · · Score: 2

      But I suppose I shouldn't joke about that, or we'll have some bright guy trying to patent them, eh?

      The trick is to start at the basics, and by the way Somebody beat you to it

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    9. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by roe1352 · · Score: 1

      Why dont some of these projects that are getting attacked in the US move the projects to Holland? They seem to have a much more rational legal system there that we can see after the Kazaa ruling. How much effort does it take for an open source project like that to move? What maybe just get a dutch ISP? With the way the US is behaving, why dont people just move their projects overseas? In this wired world you could be based in another country but have people working from the states. If napster changed a few things around it seems like they could be legal in Holland and free from the US laws.

    10. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you describe is actually how Warcraft III works. You have to hack the client before you could use it with the hacked bnetd.

    11. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by barawn · · Score: 2

      The idea would be that the client needs the return key to actually activate and play the game. Without the return key, the game wouldn't play. bnetd wouldn't handle the authentication portion of it at all.

      Yes, what I'm suggesting is kindof something like Windows Product Activation - I'm not suggesting this is a good thing. What I'm suggesting is that if they're this paranoid about piracy, they are much more stringent restrictions they can allow.

      Again, this is all a moot point, as they really only care about charging for battle.net. The funny thing is that even if they win against bnetd here (which they won't) as soon as they start charging, bnetd could start again, as battle.net servers are then a monetary resource, and Blizzard would be holding an illegal monopoly.

    12. Re:Blizzard doesn't have a leg to stand on. by barawn · · Score: 2

      *gasp*

      Then maybe you might actually want to go after the people who promulgate that hack, rather than after bnetd, which is completely legal. :)

      That said, it will completely suck if Blizzard doesn't provide remote access to the keyserver - then they're really just holding a monopoly (battle.net servers) and refusing to let anyone else play.

      If you want a good example of how life SHOULD be, take a look at what Bungie did with Myth II's server - they open sourced it when they decided to take it offline. I'm not saying that Blizzard wouldn't do the same - it's just looking very likely that they won't (they'll just remove WC2 support from the next battle.net setup, and poof, we're all out of luck...)

  25. Gheez.. by laserweasel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only person on this site that wants to see a movie when it comes out?!? There's so much drama about a preview of Towers or whenever there's a trailer for Clone Wars. Why do you want to see the best scenes in a movie 6 months before you'll get to see the rest?!

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    1. Re:Gheez.. by alienmole · · Score: 1
      Why do you want to see the best scenes in a movie 6 months before you'll get to see the rest?!

      Herds have poor impulse control...

  26. Nice movies by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    The 2dF Galaxy Redshift Survey site mentioned above also has some nice fly through movies of the "nearby" galaxies.

    Good stuff.

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  27. Ice caps melting from beneath by Cally · · Score: 2

    Follow-up to the Larsen ice-shelf disintegrating story: another BBC report says Cambridge scientists have discovered that the ice-caps (those that float on the sea, anyway) are melting from beneath - due to warmer sea-water - as well as from above, due to warmer air temperatures. The sea-level won't rise just because floating sea-ice melts - obviously - but glaciers and icesheets on land that are propped up by sea ice will slide into the ocean more quickly without them, which willraise sea levels. And of course Larsen is just another canary data-point pointing the same way as most studies from the last 15 years.

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  28. what the heck kind of letter was that??? by barawn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did anyone notice how INCREDIBLY unprofessional the letter from Blizzard/Vivendi was? Seriously, it basically amounted to "nope, we're right, you're wrong, post the software and we'll send Blizzard cops to go arrest you!" Then, I cracked up when I saw the EFF letter, which politely begins "Um, I hope this is going to the right place, considering you didn't have a return address...."

    Vivendi didn't address ANY of their claims, specifically the point that 1201(c) and 1201(f) clearly ALLOW software such as bnetd (they might as well have specifically given this as an example of what the DMCA does NOT prevent) - just saying "no, you suck, go away." They also misinterpreted 17 U.S.C. it looks like, thinking that bnetd only had 10 business days to respond or they can't file a counter notification, whereas the statute is saying that the offending material can't be redistributed in less than 10 days after sending a counter notification.

    Vivendi's actions are going to look really bad from a court's perspective - they're being very aggressive and holding their cards all to their chest, so if they do sue, and try to pull some trick, a judge isn't going to be very lenient.

    I am very glad that the EFF is handling this, though - it would've been very difficult, if not impossible, for bnetd to handle it themselves.

  29. Oh no, not Judge Whyte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    from the law.com article on the DMCA court challenge:
    On Monday, U.S. District Judge Ronald Whyte will put those issues under a microscope in a criminal case that should have a significant impact on creative industries' drive to protect their products through legislation.

    If this is the same Hon. Ronald M. Whyte of the many Scientology trials, then ElcomSoft, the EFF, and anyone else opposing the DMCA will likely be disappointed in his findings...

    A quick search on Google is a good primer on his previous rulings, which generally favored Scientology rather than ISPs and individuals.

  30. It would be more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if the universe was pink, and smelled like tuna that had been left in a garbage pail for 3 days.

  31. You have a point by poemofatic · · Score: 2



    but the laws are (or should be) decided upon actual code, rather than vague notions.

    Currently, the way Intel decides who they "allow" onto their system is determined by how they configure their mail servers. There are exceptions for cracking and some very weak (civil) penalties for unsolicited commercial email. That's it.

    But instead, they sued after the fact for "trespassing" -- when there's no law to suit your case, just make the crime fit the law.

    The fact that Intel might be able to get away with this is, in my opinion, more troubling than the actual emails which were sent out. Imagine if a company could sue for trespassing anyone who sent an email through it's servers, that management afterwards decided they didn't like. Can Taco sue the trolls around here, when they play games to bypass the lameness filter? If I get pissed off, and write an email to my working group, can I be sued for trespassing? What if I write an email and ask someone else to forward it -- will that party be trespassing? I think the whole approach is wrong. If Intel uses an intra-net that's firewalled off, and someone hacks into it to send an email -- well, fine that's trespassing. But for an internet and mail server connected to the net, trespassing is just ludicrous. Until some anti-spam laws are actually passed that do not restrict themselves to commercial email, they should have no case. And I hope you see the folly of passing any such law.

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    1. Re:You have a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But instead, they sued after the fact for "trespassing" -- when there's no law to suit your case, just make the crime fit the law.

      No, Intel sued Hamidi after making clear to him that his emails were unacceptable. For one thing, lists of employee emails are owned by the company and he ceased to possess the right to use those lists after his employment had ended.

      If you're in my yard and I don't want you to be, it's probably not trespassing unless you have malicious intent (weapons, burglary tools, etc.). If I ask you to leave, and you do, and I call the cops, they'll do nothing. Why? You left when asked. If I ask you to leave, you remain, and I call the cops, they'll show up and escort you off the property and file a report. If you resist or take other antisocial actions, they'll probably arrest you.

      Go read the briefs at Face Intel; for all that I think Hamidi's a grudge-laden tool of organized labor, he does have the guts to link to both sides' arguments.

      The fact that Intel might be able to get away with this is, in my opinion, more troubling than the actual emails which were sent out.

      Courts cannot be bought. Lawmakers can, but in this case "trespass to chattels" stems from English common law, not any pathetic made-to-order new law like the DMCA. Lawyers can be hired and lots of briefs filed, but fundamentally, the suit is judged based on the merits.

      The facts are simple and not in dispute. Hamidi repeatedly, and after being requested to stop, sent thousands of emails explicitly intended to undermine management, damage employee morale, and support collective bargaining. Intel contended that such intentional disregard for its rights was a form of harm to its property--trespass to chattels. If you'll look at the rebuttal briefs, their contention is basically that "trespass to chattels" requires that the offending party actually harm the property involved.

      That's a pretty weak argument, all things considered. Depreciation costs, network bandwidth, and the like were substantial at the time, and are still non-trivial today. The courts agreed that financial harm to Intel constituted harm, and, thus, Hamidi is prohibited by the court from sending his vitriolic spam to Intel's web servers.

  32. Tickle Me Elmco Soft? by JohnTheFisherman · · Score: 2

    Isn't that Sesame Street's new software venture?

  33. yay my first post! by chicks_dig_it · · Score: 0

    but seriously this is cool but how long are they gonna keep FotR in the cinemas? its been there for ages allready. are they gonna keep it there until the 2 towers comes out at x mas or something?

  34. I can think of something else that's salmon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


    ...but the sun doesn't shine there

  35. XML based dbs? by xtermz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Somebody please correct me on this, but since XML is just text, and text is not compressed (usually) .. how can a XML based db even be plausible when compared to a 'standard' database that compresses date, indexes it, etc etc etc...

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    1. Re:XML based dbs? by fishbowl · · Score: 2

      Hint: Text is only one representation of an XML object.

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    2. Re:XML based dbs? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      Think structure, not representative format. I.e. you COULD make a relational database using ASCII text files if you really really wanted to; it's just row/column data that you mash together, after all.

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    3. Re:XML based dbs? by cybaea · · Score: 2
      ...since XML is just text, and text is not compressed (usually) .. how can a XML based db even be plausible...

      Nevermind that it is text, the important point is that is is a tree structure.

      Standard databases are relational, and are great at storing simple attributes for an object. They are absolutely horrible at storing relationships between these objects and, more importantly, in managing those relationships.

      So, for example, if you have a grommet that can consist of multiple other grommets, each of couse consisting of grommets etc., then in XML you are laughing:

      <grommet>
      <grommet>
      <grommet>
      ...
      </grommet>
      </grommet>
      <grommet>
      </grommet>
      ...
      <grommet>

      In a standard relational database you end up with a grommet table and, perhaps, an attribute that is the parent grommet. To get the list I just suggested above, you need to do a self-join on the grommet table an unknown number of times, something SQL just can't do.

      Object-oriented databases are good at this (and much more), and it is funny that the old style of databases that preceeded the relational databases, were often hierachical, i.e. tree structures!

      So the scoop is this: the trees are back.

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  36. Trespassing by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Email systems are designed to accept email messages from arbitrary sources. Calling it "trespassing" is a major distortion of the meaning of the word. The EFF has a press release on the Intel vs Hamidi case.

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    1. Re:Trespassing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Email systems are designed to accept email messages from arbitrary sources. Calling it "trespassing" is a major distortion of the meaning of the word.

      Abortion clinic sidewalks are designed to accept foot traffic, including protestors. Calling it "trespassing" is a major distortion of the meaning of the word.

      Does that illustrate why the CONTENT of the traffic might merit consideration, in determining how a private business entity has the right to regulate what happens with its property--even if that property is generally of service to the public as a whole?

    2. Re:Trespassing by ipfwadm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes and no. Certain places that would appear to be "public" are open to basically anyone that wants to come in. As long as you're doing what you're supposed to do, you're welcome. But if you start misbehaving you could be arrested for trespassing (the grocery store near me has signs outside to this effect, for example). I don't think it's too too much of a stretch to apply this to email.

  37. What makes these scientists brilliant... by jcsehak · · Score: 5, Funny


    ... is not that they "found" the color of the universe, but that they convinced Johns Hopkins to give them lots of money and let them use their fancy equipment for THREE SEPERATE EXPERIMENTS! Here's what really happened:

    Johns Hopkins Administration: Okay, what are you guys working on now?

    Astronomers (quickly alt-tabbing from Return to Castle Wolfenstein to a spreadsheet): Uhhh... we're calculating... the... color of the universe! We'll need at least two weeks.

    JHA: Right then. Talk to you in two weeks.

    Astronomer 1: Whew. How're we gonna figure out the color of the universe?

    Astronomer 2: Who cares? It's turquoise. Now be quiet. I'm sniping.

    [two weeks later]

    Astronomer 1: Hey check it out! The Warcraft III beta is out!

    [JH Admin comes in]

    JHA: Hey guys, got your report on the universe being turquoise. Great work.

    Astronomer 2: Yeah, um, we've got a problem. We think it might be beige. We've got to do spectral graphalisys and whatnot. we'll need another two weeks.

    JHA: Okay.

    etc...

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    1. Re:What makes these scientists brilliant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're just softening us up for their real discovery...the universe is swimming 2000 miles upstream to mate and die.

      Salmon

  38. Nonsense. by TheFrood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, they're so disbanded that they've just finished putting up a new website.

    Idiot.

    TheFrood

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  39. Correction: LoTR - Friday, not saturday by mwillis · · Score: 2, Redundant

    According to TORN, most places will be able to see the trailer friday, not saturday.

  40. I just keep wondering by S.+Allen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    why is everyone is so hysterical about global warming? do they not know that this is part of the larger ice-age cycle that repeats about every 20k years? we're in the warming period. we go from nearly covered in ice to nearly devoid of ice (with huge sea-level fluctuations) and then back again. is there some kind of expectation that this change is linear? that there will be no bursts of exponential change followed by other plateaus? that these kinds of global changes will not create increased levels of extinction? hey, maybe humans are influencing the cycle. maybe we've shortened it a few thousand years. maybe nobody really knows jack shit but needs something to bitch about between commercials.

    any politician that is not strongly in favor of alternate forms of energy is a dick. not because fossil fuels are inherently evil (ok, the corps behind them may be), but more importantly, they're never going to get us off this idiot-infested rock. oh, and they're not renewable. go nuclear! it's god's favorite power source. check out, oh, say, the rest of the universe if you're in doubt. hey, god can't be wrong.

    um, that's about it.

    1. Re:I just keep wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why is everyone is so hysterical about global warming? do they not know that this is part of the larger ice-age cycle that repeats about every 20k years? we're in the warming period. we go from nearly covered in ice to nearly devoid of ice (with huge sea-level fluctuations) and then back again. is there some kind of expectation that this change is linear? that there will be no bursts of exponential change followed by other plateaus? that these kinds of global changes will not create increased levels of extinction? hey, maybe humans are influencing the cycle. maybe we've shortened it a few thousand years. maybe nobody really knows jack shit but needs something to bitch about between commercials

      Take a second and try to think if you've *really* disproved the hundreds of scientists working on the problem with this simple point. Seems unlikely? Then it probably is.

      Specifically,

      do they not know that this is part of the larger ice-age cycle that repeats about every 20k years?

      Who do you mean by "they"? Ignorant twerps? Well, then don't stop there. Scientists? Once again, think you've disproved all those researchers with a one-liner?

      Global warming is far more complex than "duh, it shore is warmer dan it was yesterday". It's a victim of poor naming, like "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters".

    2. Re:I just keep wondering by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2

      One reason people worry about the sea levels rising is that billions (I'm not exaggerating) of people live below the near-future sea level if current warming trends continue. No, they're not all going to drown, but they will need a new place to live and work. One example we can now relate to: the sea does not need to rise many meters before there is no more Manhattan (other than some buildings protruding from water). That's not to mention the Netherlands...

    3. Re:I just keep wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but I'm a friendly sort and I've got a big apartment. I could probably host a hundred chinamen if I built bunks. so we'd have lost New York and maybe LA and Boston. I'm not too fond of those places anyway. we'd have lost a bunch of seaside property, but you know the great thing? we'll still have coastline! it'll be new and interesting lots of people moving about lots of shit going down. sounds like fun.
      and besides everyone's talking like we have a choice in the matter. I have serious doubts about our ability to increase greenhouse gasses enough to raise the temperature of the seas(even if we assume a laminar surface layer with no heat exchange with subsurface layers which is absolutely absurd) by even a single degree. Do some math look up the specific heat of water and do a calculation on the mass of the oceans. It'll make your head spin. and then if you're not convinced, and want to try to eliminate greenhouse gas release take a look at articles on the greenhouse gasses created by sub-terrainian coal fires.

    4. Re:I just keep wondering by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 2

      why is everyone is so hysterical about global warming? do they not know that this is part of the larger ice-age cycle that repeats about every 20k years? we're in the warming period. we go from nearly covered in ice to nearly devoid of ice (with huge sea-level fluctuations) and then back again. is there some kind of expectation that this change is linear? that there will be no bursts of exponential change followed by other plateaus? that these kinds of global changes will not create increased levels of extinction? hey, maybe humans are influencing the cycle. maybe we've shortened it a few thousand years. maybe nobody really knows jack shit but needs something to bitch about between commercials.

      I think the concern is this: first, that humans are changing their environment, and second, that we're doing it so fast (and the rate of change is accelerating?) that we won't be able to predict/deal with the consequences. In the broadest sense, that's pretty much what it boils down to.

      In the case of global warming, there's a lot of evidence and research which backs up that first point. This means that the second is a valid concern, especially since many people who know more about it than you or I think that we're going to have problems (specifically, that the rate of change in the temperature of the Earth is too high to be purely natural, and is getting faster, yet that we're not doing enough to either prevent it or deal with its consequences).

      After that it gets complicated. Discussing that second point at all requires making predictions, and prediction is an inexact science. Also, some of the issues related to global warming are extremely complex. For example, there are several reasons to want to move away from gasoline-burning automobiles, from concern over global warming to issues of long-term availability of fossil fuels, the health effects of automobile exhaust, city planning issues, and so on. Then there's convencience, habit, corporations trying to protect their profits, and other forces on the side of maintaining the status quo. This results in one dang complicated issue, which is why people spend a lot of time talking about it!

      Incidentally, last time a global warming story was posted on SlashDot, someone got modded way up for pointing out that we are in a cooling period, not a warming period. Another reason why there's so much discussion is the massive amount of misinformation out there. Plus there's the fact that the issue is way to big for a discussion to cover every aspect of it. On top of that, there's a tendancy for people to believe what they want to believe (a general tendancy - ask any tech support person!) The result: massive amounts of discussion.

    5. Re:I just keep wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Take a second and try to think if you've *really* disproved the hundreds of scientists working on the problem with this simple point. Seems unlikely? Then it probably is."

      Of course that seems unlikely, but back in the world of reality, the thousands upon thousands of scientists who aren't media whores are far more convincing than the gloom and doom (whatever it takes to get on the news, or to speak in front of the congressional subcommitte) sayers.

    6. Re:I just keep wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Ok, there are some doomsayers. There's probably 10 times the amount of scientists who are *not* media whores, who are still strong supporters of the global warming theory.

      Don't make the mistake of deciding on content based on the way it's presented.

  41. Digestible in three hours? by samoht · · Score: 1

    It would seem that the problem with the movie (for some), is that LOTR doesn't seem to be something that it's really possible to digest in three hours. Any attempt to do so is therefore doomed to fail, or at least be less adequate a depiction of Tolkien's original vision than the book - it's just not possible to cram everything from the book into a movie and retain entirely the spirit of the book. Which is fine of course, and I think Jackson did a reasonable job, but (to continue with the digestion metaphor), the movie is something like take out from McDonalds, the book is a five course banquet with all the trimmings. Both can be enjoyable in their own way, but you can't compress a banquet into the space of a Big Mac and expect to avoid a little heart burn.

  42. Re: Salmon's fine... by yintercept · · Score: 1

    ...the tough question: What wine goes good with a universe?

    Salmon

  43. At the end, before the credits by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 2

    I've read in an article down here in NZ that the trailer/preview will be at the end of the movie, but before the credits.

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  44. obviously by beertopia · · Score: 1

    It smells like fish.

    Undoubtedly tastes like chicken, though.

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  45. Re:I Touch Myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I masturbate with a pair of tweezers.

  46. It's white, of course by Comrade+Pikachu · · Score: 1

    White is by definition the sum of all colors in the visible spectrum. The average of all colors of all the galaxies in the universe is simply a more accurate measure of the value of "white" than has previously been achieved.

    The fact that we are perceiving a color to the universe just indicates that we are not properly color balanced!

    1. Re:It's white, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no it's actually not. You're assuming all of the different frequencies have the same intensity. White is created when you mix equal "amounts" of every color.

  47. I saw a two towers preview last weekend by gonar · · Score: 2

    at a screening of Ice Age (funny movie BTW)

    looked pretty cool.

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  48. Boycott Blizzard, and a petition by drivers · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I am calling for a boycott of Blizzard over this bnetd matter:
    http://boycottblizzard.org/


    I also have a link from there to a petition that I would appreciate signatures by anyone against the use of the DMCA by
    Blizzard (Vivendi Universal Games) in this case (even if you don't plan on boycotting).

    1. Re:Boycott Blizzard, and a petition by k8to · · Score: 2

      Hah, I'm _still_ boycotting blizzard over their complete disregard for privacy and malware concerns over the starcraft name emailing debacle.

      The big deal there was not so much that they erred, or that they shipped such an egrious piece of software that would pass your personal registry items to blizarred if you miskeyed your registration code, but that they refused to admit that there was anything questionable about this or that there was any other angle from which to view the situation.

      A company that effectively implants spyware in their product and refuses to accept that this was an undesirable action is untrustworthy and is not a reasonable source of software products. At least, that's my view.

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    2. Re:Boycott Blizzard, and a petition by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Blizzard has some of the most aggressive copy protection code out there. It's kind of depressing, since I completely disagree with this sort of thing, but it seems that Blizzard is right and I am wrong -- most people don't know or care about the kinds of things they're doing.

  49. salmon by BigBir3d · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    that sucks, i am red/orange color blind... :-(

  50. DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by rossz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As of a few days ago, the fan website has been banned any discussion of the legality of bnetd in their chatroom, #diabloii on irc.wiregrass.com. Furthermore, when many of the regular members protested this action by included [censored] or [oppressed] in their nicknames, they were banned. The nickname modifications that resulted in being banned include: [bnetd], [censored], [oppressed], and [not_battle_net] (there may have been others).

    A posting to their forums mentioning the censorship was deleted, and the account of the poster (myself) is no longer allowed to post (not a big deal, I created the account specifically for that purpose). Don't petty tyrants surpress news of censorship, too?

    As it stands, discussing bnetd is forbidden in the chat room. Protesting the censorship in any way is forbidden. Discussing bnetd or the censorship in the forums is forbidden.

    Under a different account, I posted a rebuttal to their recent anti-bnetd article. I wonder if they will censor that as well?

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    1. Re:DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by Troll+on+ice · · Score: 1

      <sarcasm> i'm glad slashdot would never do anything like that</sarcasm>

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    2. Re:DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by Fatal0E · · Score: 2

      Is it so wrong for a Blizzard forum to try to conceal the fact that you can pirate a Blizzard game and still play in a Bnet env?

      I hope you never have to release closed source code and have to worry about someone reverse engineering some of the profitibility out of it.

    3. Re:DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by rossz · · Score: 1

      You must be a troll, or just really stupid. bnetd has nothing to do with pirating the game.

      Reverse engineering is a fact of life. As soon as you release a successful product, someone is going to start reverse engineering it. This is true whether it is software or hardware. It is also perfectly legal.

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    4. Re:DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by Edgewize · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, diabloii.net (and warcraftiii.net) have to be very strictly moderated. You see, there are certain undesirable elements that can cause strife and conflict in the community, and obviously if you remove those elements, then there will be only peace and happiness. Why fill the world with ugly legal debates when these be prevented through censorship? Keep the world beautiful and pure! Long live the Third Reich!

      Remember, it's for the good of the children!

    5. Re:DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by tdye · · Score: 1

      By virtue of Godwin's Law, you automatically lose.

      Don't cheapen your arguments by referencing Nazis.

    6. Re:DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by Edgewize · · Score: 1

      I was playing to lose :) I was going to throw in a Disney reference too, but even I have to respect the limits of good taste.

    7. Re:DiabloII.Net Censors Bnetd Discussions by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Actually, at least in the United States, I believe that that is not generally true.

      However, my understanding is that reverse engineering for compatibility reasons is legal in the EU. I believe that at least a more limited version of this, reverse engineering for the purpose of circumventing copy control systems for the purpose of making two systems compatible over a network, is legal in the US.

  51. the circumvention of the cdkey is a false argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what about the tcp/ip support in blizzard games?

  52. Correction - Starts showing Friday, continuing on by torklugnutz · · Score: 1
    Here is the text, direct from the LOTR: TTT site:

    "Director Peter Jackson takes you behind the scenes on The Two Towers and talks about his process and inspiration for this special extended footage. See this new footage only in theaters everywhere with The Fellowship of the Ring starting on Friday, March 29th." (emphasis added)

    So, this is not some once-off thing. It will continue to play for the foseeable future. That's how I read it.

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  53. Breaking news! by Alsee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Less than an hour ago astronomers at Johns Hopkins University, using revised spectral data from the 2dF Galaxy Redshift Survey, have announced the corrected result: The universe is a pale shade of lemon.

    After the latest press conference some color experts were asking how it could possibly be yellow. The head astronomer explained that it was a red-shift effect. "My assistant Bob can explain it to you, he entered the red-shift adjustments..." Bob: "Me? I didn't enter them. You were supposed to do that" Head astronomer: "You didn't? Oh shit..."

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  54. salmon by salmo · · Score: 1

    My name comes from salmo trutta commonly known as the Brown Trout, a relative of the salmon. I just want to say that I'm glad that the salmonoids are finally getting their due props. It's a pretty big deal to have the color of the universe called the color you are (or can exhibit). I just hope that in the future people don't end up saying that salmon are universe colored.

  55. LotR - NOT SO FAST!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Hey all, it seems there's a mistake in this article! Here it says that it's on FRIDAY!! Hope you guys catch this before you go on Saturday!! :-P

  56. Poor Impulse Control by PaxTech · · Score: 1

    If only we could tattoo that on their foreheads...

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  57. how bnet d is ok in every way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Battle net sucks. I really shouldn't have to say any more, but having distributed servers is great. I want to be able to host my own games with my own people on my own server. bnetd lets me do this.
    If the issue here is piracy blizzard's complaint has to be read as a demand that bnetd servers authenticate cd keys. Right now blizzard provides no way to verify cd keys so it's not an issue of copyright circumvention it's an issue of bnetd not having access to blizzard's authentication mechanisms. The solution is the same as that for the creation of the bnetd server itself. Figure it out. I'm sure someone out there has figured out the cd key algorithm, submit it to the bnetd project so they can include their own key checking in the server.(and include a p2p system that checks for duplicates every so often and kicks both people with duped cd keys) At that point bnetd will be a viable complete legitimate product in competition with a bloated overtaxed service. Which is what free markets are all about. What judge in their right mind would judge in favor of a slower overused centrally controlled monopoly on game hosting over a distributed system that does everything battle net does but better?(Don't answer that just cross you fingers and hope some day judges come to their senses.)
    We should stop talking about what can be used for illegitimate purposes and keep the discussion of a products capabilities separate from the potential for misuse. For example it is true that I could use a pen to write nasty letters, but this should in no way be used as an argument that no one should manufacture pens.

  58. Too bad that this doesn't prove... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    that global warming isn't a farce or not. Unfortunatly 15 years of recorded data, and 100 years of written records along with a few hundred thousand or even a couple of million years doesn't tell us that if this is natural or unnatural. The thing is...and the big point is...that no one really seems to be getting is the earth is 4 billions maybe as old as 6 billion years or even older, but this could be a natural cycle. But compareing human emssions to the ammount of CO2 and CO, along with sulphurous compounds naturaly produced is a crock.

    But I suppose we'll see if this is natural or not, just remeber though you can go from this weather to an ice age in 10 years.

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  59. to my point by S.+Allen · · Score: 2

    it's highly unlikely that humans will stop the rise of the seas. it's basically inevitable, unavoidable and unstoppable. we're quibbling over the timeframe. however, no one can tell you exactly (or even approximately) how much human activity has influenced this progression, if in fact it has.

    the problem is that humans have this pesky habit of building their civilizations right along the shoreline. it's not a good long-term plan when you're in the thawing cycle. building further north becomes problematic during the freezing cycle because glaciers tend to be fairly persistent and, oh, huge and unstoppable.

    humans have this other rather irksome habit of being, on the whole, fairly short-sighted. most civilizations aren't really planned. no where is it ingrained in our personalities to go out of our way to make sure our current agenda has any real positive bearing on future generations. and don't go thinking you're going to make a difference. the power is in the hands of the governments and megacorps.

    behold the USA, pinnacle of "Democracy" and "Freedom"! how much of the wrangling that occurs in Washington, DC every day has the enlightened future of humans in mind? bingo if you said, "zippo, zilch and nada". it's grubbing for money and power with the occasional kissing of babies and touching of cripples to please the electorate. and no where else is any better.

    oh, wait, it looks like florida is flooding. well, we just didn't see that coming. quick, who do we blame? who can I use this against? sorry, until we have a global change of consciousness and get past our basic animal instincts, it'll be slow and perilous going.

    1. Re:to my point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's highly unlikely that humans will stop the rise of the seas. it's basically inevitable, unavoidable and unstoppable. we're quibbling over the timeframe. however, no one can tell you exactly (or even approximately) how much human activity has influenced this progression, if in fact it has.

      It's already been proven with high probability that man has an effect on global warming. Please don't give me that Bush bull-shit: "we found this guy with a smoking gun in his hand next to the body, but there is a chance he didn't do it".

      the problem is that humans have this pesky habit of building their civilizations right along the shoreline.

      Indeed, it's better to live where you can't feed yourself.

      building further north becomes problematic during the freezing cycle because glaciers tend to be fairly persistent and, oh, huge and unstoppable.

      I'm sure we can increase the temperature quite a bit at that time by creating greenhouse gasses. Shouldn't be too hard, we already seem unable to limit our production. But perhaps we should focus on the current problem of global warming first.

      humans have this other rather irksome habit of being, on the whole, fairly short-sighted.

      Indeed, just assuming that we can't change the environment. That's pretty short-sighted indeed.

      oh, wait, it looks like florida is flooding. well, we just didn't see that coming. quick, who do we blame?

      The US government for not agreeing on the Kyoto treaty? Oh wait, we can't do anything to stop the warming. Blame the government for not forcing everyone to move to Kansas and Oklahoma.

    2. Re:to my point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already been proven with high probability that man has an effect on global warming

      What the hell are you talking about? This has most certainly NOT been proven.

  60. Re:salmon... (more DNA tributage) by MartinB · · Score: 1

    We also know its:

    • Imports
    • Exports
    • Population
    • Monetary Units
    • Art
    • Sex

    and they all turn out to be 'none'... although an awful lot of the non-existent sex between the non-existent people seems to be going on.

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  61. re: police by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Actually,
    If the tresspasser is not there, usually the police can't do anything. They must witness the misdemenor (sp?) to be able to arrest. Anyways, they may not want to do the paperwork.

  62. poo wee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wee wee poo poo lalalalala. slashdot is a bunch of homos wee wee wee lalallala. hahaha. wweeee poo poo poo poo poo wee wee wee. bloop bloop whap whap hahah lallallala penis hrhrhrhr got troll hrhrhr

  63. Re:It's white, of course.. astro 101 clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically good thought, but thats not *exactly* how it works. The photons radiated by any body are determined by the blackbody curve, which is kind of like a statistical curve of how much light of each wavelength will be emitted. Now, if the curve is about centered on visible light, the object is "white hot". If the curve is centered in the infrared, it is "red hot". But if the object is still hotter, then the curve is centered in the ultra-violet and it is "straw hot". If you don't believe me ask anyone whos worked in a steel mill.

  64. You are mistaken by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but IPX REALLY sucks. Network performance is terrible if you're on a local LAN and want to connect to someone across the Internet (with Kali, let's say), especially if that person is on a slow modem

    LAN = Local Area Network.

    Under IPX, everyone's performance is synced to the person with the slowest network connection

    Some of Blizz's games are synchronous, like the starcraft you mentioned, so your friend with the modem is going to slow down everyone else, IPX vs. TCP/IP is irrelevant in this case.

    Battle.Net is also pretty bad -- laggy as hell, unstable, and filled with people where the average maturity seems to be that of a 12-year old

    Nearly all of Blizz's games are peer-to-peer, again the starcraft you mention, so battle.net is not lagging your game. Battle.net unstable? Well the whiney 12-years old do blame battle.net rather than their systems, the f'd up hacks they loaded, AOL, etc. when they loose a connection.

    Setting up a bnetd server on my box was the best way for myself and a small circle of friends to connect together, have our own ladder games, and play in our own private environment. It probably wouldn't have been necessary if Starcraft came with a TCP/IP option, but it doesn't.

    You are mistaken, Starcraft does have TCP/IP LAN play. It was added about the time the MacOS X version was released.

    1. Re:You are mistaken by Rakarra · · Score: 2
      LAN = Local Area Network.

      Sure. But I don't see purely LAN games too often myself. Often it's "people on a LAN... and a guy halfway across the country." That was the nice thing about Kali -- even though people might be scattered, from the game's perspective they were all on the local LAN.

      Some of Blizz's games are synchronous, like the starcraft you mentioned, so your friend with the modem is going to slow down everyone else, IPX vs. TCP/IP is irrelevant in this case.

      Actually with Starcraft, that is not the case. When you connect with Battle.Net, a slow modem user does not slow down the other users like he would if he were using IPX. If the net-connection is completely unresponsive, then the game freezes for everyone until the lagger is dropped or unlags, but that is the extent to which a slow modem user (aren't they all? ;) ) lags the game. The behavior is completely different for an IPX game.

      Nearly all of Blizz's games are peer-to-peer, again the starcraft you mention, so battle.net is not lagging your game.

      You're right, but the part I was refering to was the initial game setup which occurs on Battle.Net -- gathering in a channel, hosting a game, letting people join... then finally when the game starts it's out of Battle.Net's hands. I've had nights where I gathered a small handful of friends, and we weren't even able to start a game together. When Battle.Net lags, it will often incorrectly claim a game doesn't exist (I think a lot of famous misleading error message like "game doesn't exist" and "character not found" are generic catchall error responses). When I tracerouted uswest.battle.net, the trace was perfectly clean... until the very last hop, where the times spiked by at least half a second. Packet loss was pretty high as well. Fortunately that's not the norm, but it's very annoying when it happens. That night of frustration when we couldn't start a Starcraft game (Kali wouldn't work since one of my friends was on a modem) was the night I decided to compile and setup the bnetd server. We haven't looked back since.

      You are mistaken, Starcraft does have TCP/IP LAN play. It was added about the time the MacOS X version was released.

      Starcraft, as of the current version, only has local TCP/IP capabilities. DiabloII has true TCP/IP over the Internet, but Starcraft's UDP support is still limited to the local lan. (though I've yet to try this with Kali -- might be interesting to see if it doesn't lag anymore)

  65. Re: police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. In the analogy, Intel only asked for a formal "don't come around here no more" (i.e., stop spamming us) injunction against Hamidi, NOT to have him arrested and carted off to jail.

  66. Headers by Curien · · Score: 2

    // fotr.c
    #include "tt.h"

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  67. Hell, at this rate... by Canar · · Score: 1

    Why don't you anti-corporate-abuse Slashdotters just boycott technology altogether? That'd certainly save some effort as to remembering which companies we're buying from this week, and which ones were picketing.

    Yeah, sure, this'll get modded down, but the 'boycott everything' tactic achieves no purpose, as most people don't give a red rat's ass about creating a clone of battle.net, as Blizzard has created a service which is free and stable.

    Next on Slashdot: Boycotting the Catholic Church...

    1. Re:Hell, at this rate... by pcmills · · Score: 1

      I've been boycotting the Catholic Church for years and still regard them as one of the worlds oldest cults. Otherwise known as an Old School Cult.

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    2. Re:Hell, at this rate... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Umm...yes, no one (well, few) is boycotting everything. Some people feel strongly enough about one issue to boycott some products, and other people other products.

      Remember, there are a lot of people that read and post to slashdot, not one or two or three.

      Heck, I think that the Blizzard thing is disgusting, and I'd boycott them too, but I didn't like their products in the first place, and have never bought any. :-) Plus, they don't make Linux versions.

  68. Re:Fuck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I showed a video to my fraternity brothers after they didn't believe I had a girlfriend at another college."

    >Try MS XP.
    >It will solve any problem you have.

    I've heard that Emma's ex pee would fix lots of problems also, but I really don't this that's the solution to this one.

  69. Smells Fishy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . of course.

  70. I saw The Two Towers preview last night(Thursday) by zalix · · Score: 1

    Last night I went to see LOTR again and was surprised to see the preview attached at the end. I guess they leaked it early, it was awesome, I can't wait.

  71. protections by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2
    If you are telling employees to stand up for their rights (overtime, ADA, FMLA, etc.) you get protection for doing this.


    Under Sumner v. US Postal (3rd or 9th circuit) an employee is protected in reasonable protests for their rights. In Payne v. McLemore picketing against racial discrimination was held to be protected. Is sending lots of email more intrusive than picketing?

    The Supreme Court in Robison v. Shell Oil considers that protections extend to ex-employees.

    My argument (and seems to be the AFL-CIO's) that this is a protected act, and did this cross the line or being overly intrusive.

    Though Intel argues that it is tens of thousands of emails, it is not that many per person and only 450 requested removal.

  72. Re: ordinary spammer? by airdrummer · · Score: 1

    while i agree that commercial speech is somewhat less protected, i think we have to look at why spam is a problem at all: because the cost is not borne by the sender.

    in the real world, junk mail does cost the sender. but the internet essentially recreates a "tragedy of the commons" that has no constraints on abuse.

    the solution is _not_ to gut free speech, but to correctly allocate the costs of distribution. isn't sender-pays why wireless is so much more widespread in europe than in the u.s.?

    free-lunch advocates should be wary of what they want...they don't like what they get;-}

  73. I've got a better email address by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    You know all those times websites ask you for an email address for downloading a file or something else, which they can spam like mad? I've found that hotline@mpaa.org (the MPAA's piracy reporting hotline address) works nicely, but this Viviendi gentleman just handed us another nice email address to use as a junk address:

    piracy@vuinteractive.com

    The way I see it, let the spammers and the large copy control organizations duke it out. No matter who comes out on top, we end up winning. :-)

  74. Blizzard banning people by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    I agree...my understanding is that Blizzard can ban someone from battle.net for cheating or whatever other issues they feel are a problem.

    I will not accuse them of doing the wrong thing here -- cheating is a major issue that affects other players and the value of those players' purchase. However, there is nothing on the box that tells cheating users that this service that allows them to play the product multiplayer over the Internet may be simply revoked. They paid for the product with the expectation that they could use it.

    bnetd allows people to set up their own servers, with their own rules for who to ban. If someone ticks off Blizzard, then they're SOL on the value of their product. Perhaps these players cheated once, got caught, and would have stopped...but they're banned and are out the value of their purchase. Perhaps they feel that cheating against people is legitimate behavior -- not a view that most people will agree with, but taking away the value of someone's purchase because they have different views has certain issues. It is not *illegal* to cheat, just against Blizzard's rules. Heck, someone could even be falsely accused of cheating and stripped of the value of their purchase.

    I don't have a problem with Blizzard providing a premium service that removes cheaters or bad sports or whatever from the system *as long as there are other options for those people*. If you want a place to go where an effort to weed out cheaters has been made, then good, but do not eliminate the ability to play multiplayer for those cheaters.

    AFAIK, Blizzard does not *guarantee* battle.net service to any of their customers, which gives bnetd value as a risk-eliminator -- if Blizzard goes under tomorrow, players can continue to play.

    Also, I do not believe that guaranteed battle.net service is considered part of the product. If it were so, than I don't think that Blizzard can just strip players of their purchased product without giving them a refund -- suppose someone fires the thing up and cheats...Blizzard has the right to prevent them from playing further, but needs to give them their money back in return.

    So if guaranteed battle.net service is not part of the product, then why is Blizzard claiming copyright circumvention issues? The key check is not to prevent you from playing the game -- the LAN and single player modes can testify to that. It's to keep unauthorized users from using battle.net. So they're claiming copyright infringement on an access control mechanism to multiplayer which is just a "free extra" and not even part of the sold package? Get real.

  75. Re:yeah, well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nice. i wanna see more copy and pastes from the onion.

  76. Kali has a license, comparison to bnetd misguided by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    kali: Does not check for deleted/duplicate/valid CD keys, piracy is certainly possible. Has no Blizzard oversight. In itself does not allow for Warcraft 3 play.

    I believe Kali actually went out and got a license from Blizzard. Comparisons to bnetd are misguided, especially since the Kali/Blizzard license pre-existed battle.net and pre-existed cdkeys.

  77. LOTR is bad [lkbm] by Elkobim · · Score: 1

    Hi all (and Ms. 3141), it's me!
    Have you missed me? I know I haven't written for long, but it's because of temporary instability in my life.

    Anyway, let me tell you about LOTR.

    It begins with the story of poor Bilbo, who had great life in his hobbit hole, until Gandalf took him out of his cozy hole and forced him into a completely unnecessary adventure, which caused many people in a village to get killed, and also resulted him in being much more rich - and gain a magical ring. All those things did not make him happier.

    It continues with The Fellowship Of The Rings, about Bilbo's heir, Frodo, who's forced into going to another adventure of his own. He needs to get rid of the ring that Bilbo found in his previous unnecessary adventure. Now, while Frodo's adventure may be a necessity, it could have been entirely avoided if Bilbo hadn't gone to his uselesss adventure.

    Another annoying thing with The Fellowship is that it has almost no girls. I remember only 3.5: Lobelia (that greedy old woman), Tom's wife, Arwen and the Elven Witch. When the list of Frodo's friends was written, I was so annoyed to see that it is consisted of males alone! It's so old fashioned, and makes that book unfit to the year 2002.

    Now, ask me what fantasy book I'd love to read now? I'd say none. There's nothing interesting. All the fantasies disappointed me. I used to like Narnia, but I read it again and found it old fashioned (although it was much better than LoTR - at least they had female characters there)

    Oh.. and the movie was much more interesting than the book. I couldn't complete The Fellowship.. (I managed to finish The Hobbit, which turned into a real page-turner by its end). And I hate Tom Bombadil. He shouldn't have appeared there at the first place - and besides, I deserve to have his wife.

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    I want tender love now!
    Elkobim