Humanity, in general, is always going to have problems. No matter how perfect someone thinks they are, they are eventually going to misplace the phone, their keys, or are going to slam on the brakes in their car. Nothing you can do to stop that.
So, with that in mind, why not use technology to solve the effects of the problem?
But who want's to spend money on a brand new computer jsut to see that it has the spec's needed for 5 years ago?
The companies that are sellign computers to people, who might casually game, want to promote their computer in a positive light, not a negative one. Seems it would be in their interest to avoid the rating system so they can continue to sell the illusion that the computer is capable.
Cheap fuel allows us to get cheap goods from other places (like China).
IF you had to get all of your goods from local factories/farms, you'd pay much more for the goods themselves, and have a far smaller selection, driving the price up even more due to lack of competition.
The inability of local retailers to provide the same goods as the "megacorps" killed them.
to continue, local retailers means that you have to pay more for your goods which means that your standard of living will drop as the prices rise and you are not able to afford as much as you once did.
IT is my personal belief that if the entire country were to practice polygamy, the negatives would out weigh the benefits.
However, it is also my belief that people should be free to do what ever they want. So if 2, 5, 10 or 100 consenting adults (being any mix of male and female) want to get married, they should be free to do so.
But, I would say that companies should be free to limit the number of dependents when covering for healthcare and benefits. And on that note, I personally think that the government should remove all tax breaks for being married and for children.
I just don't think having a video of your child dancing to song XYZ is that important to society...
As for Popular Culture, a quick definition: contemporary lifestyle and items that are well known and generally accepted, cultural patterns that are widespread within a population
Seems if Medium-Income, or less, individuals cannot participate then it would cease to be popular culture.
"If you can not record a video of your 1 year old son dancing to a well-known song, your ability to participate in the society and extended family is seriously curtailed"
Society changes...
We did not always have YouTube, and Society will adapt if we remove the ability to record a video of your 1 year old son dancing to a well-known song.
We participated in society and with our extended family extended family before YouTube, and many of us still do without YouTube right now.
Doesn't it strike you a odd that the Lord, would lay down how to practice to only change the practices less then a century later because of the laws of a Government by man. Wouldn't a God be able to foresee this issue, and the suffering it would cause his followers and just skip that practise?
Guess the only answer for that is that God works in Mysterious Ways.
Thank you for the discussion and the explaination
Also, this research that I did was helpful in my understanding of how other sect's of Mormonism can continue to practice Polygamy.
I see you did not do any research to refute my claims...
Some research:
"In 1862 the first anti-polygamy act was passed by Congress, but the Saints ignored it because they believed it was an unconstitutional intrusion into their freedom of religion" (Source 1)
"The law was finally upheld by the United States Supreme Court in 1879" (Source 1)
"Finally, in 1890, President Wilford Woodruff received a revelation in which, he said later, he was shown what would happen to the church if the policy was not changed. As a result, he issued a document known as the Manifesto, which officially ended the practice of allowing new plural marriages. The federal government, in turn, did its part in bringing about accommodation when presidential amnesties were issued to pre-1890 polygamists. Utah was admitted to the Union in 1896, and church property was returned very shortly thereafter" (Source 1)
"From the beginning of their absorption into the USA the Mormons petitioned the US congress for state-hood Over 46 years they applied 6 times. The first 5 petitions were rejected due to the issue of Mormon polygamy" (Source 2)
"It was only until 1890 that this issue was finally resolved. Wilford Woodruff, the Mormon Church President, declared that God had told him that his people must abide by U.S. law. Thus, polygamy was stopped, and Utah attained its much sort after state-hood." (Source 2)
"The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue--to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?
The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.
. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write
Of course they were not following the "current Mormon beliefs", they were a fundamentalist church. Hence, they were following what they believed to be the Original Mormon beliefs.
Unlike the LDS Church, they did not agree with changing religious beliefs just to satisfy the US Government like the LDS Church did when it got rid of polygamy so Utah could become a state and allowed people of color to join so they would not lose their tax exempt status.
I tend to lean towards human life not being valuable.
There are already too many people on the planet as it is, and thousands of them die on a daily basis. There is no "magic" to creating life and the resources (Sperm and Eggs) are plentiful. Might as well get something from the resources via scientific study, instead of just letting them go to waste.
This thread started with someone talking about playing for 18 hours....
What is spending $150 on a Keyboard and $90 on a mouse when your talking about spending countless hours using them. Your getting a lot more bang for your buck then you would for darn near anything else you'd spend the money on.
Let's go with a med. range gamer and say 2 hours a day, every day. That is 14 hours a week, 728 hours a year. Mean's they are only paying $0.32 an hour... Not too bad for something they plan on spending 728 hours on. Imagin how many hours in a year the guy who said he plays 18 hours in a sitting racks up... Well worth the $240.
As a former Telemarketer, I'd tell you that they prefer when someone just hangs up. It saves them time they would hve wasted on you, and allows them to move onto th enext person/sale faster. However, that does not mean it is over for you, most of the time they just put you back into the que for another phone call at another time.
BUt this isnt really about stoping the phone calls, that is not going ot happen. IT's jsut about getting your jollys from causing them grief. If you don't enjoy that, thne your better off just hanging up.
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"human problems cannot be fixed
Humanity, in general, is always going to have problems. No matter how perfect someone thinks they are, they are eventually going to misplace the phone, their keys, or are going to slam on the brakes in their car. Nothing you can do to stop that.
So, with that in mind, why not use technology to solve the effects of the problem?
But who want's to spend money on a brand new computer jsut to see that it has the spec's needed for 5 years ago?
The companies that are sellign computers to people, who might casually game, want to promote their computer in a positive light, not a negative one. Seems it would be in their interest to avoid the rating system so they can continue to sell the illusion that the computer is capable.
Carebear /Couldn't resist //Enjoyed UO back in the day
Cheap fuel allows us to get cheap goods from other places (like China).
IF you had to get all of your goods from local factories/farms, you'd pay much more for the goods themselves, and have a far smaller selection, driving the price up even more due to lack of competition.
The inability of local retailers to provide the same goods as the "megacorps" killed them.
to continue, local retailers means that you have to pay more for your goods which means that your standard of living will drop as the prices rise and you are not able to afford as much as you once did.
IT is my personal belief that if the entire country were to practice polygamy, the negatives would out weigh the benefits.
However, it is also my belief that people should be free to do what ever they want. So if 2, 5, 10 or 100 consenting adults (being any mix of male and female) want to get married, they should be free to do so.
But, I would say that companies should be free to limit the number of dependents when covering for healthcare and benefits. And on that note, I personally think that the government should remove all tax breaks for being married and for children.
It's easier for a lot of people to think of things as being out of their control. People like order, Chaos can be very scary.
LMAO...
That would be hilarious.
I just don't think having a video of your child dancing to song XYZ is that important to society...
As for Popular Culture, a quick definition: contemporary lifestyle and items that are well known and generally accepted, cultural patterns that are widespread within a population
Seems if Medium-Income, or less, individuals cannot participate then it would cease to be popular culture.
It's all part of God's mysterious plan.
When something good happens, God granted your wish. When something bad happens, it's part of God's plan, and he knows better hten us.
Remember, God works in Mysterious ways.
"If you can not record a video of your 1 year old son dancing to a well-known song, your ability to participate in the society and extended family is seriously curtailed"
Society changes...
We did not always have YouTube, and Society will adapt if we remove the ability to record a video of your 1 year old son dancing to a well-known song.
We participated in society and with our extended family extended family before YouTube, and many of us still do without YouTube right now.
I'm far from an expert on the subject, but I'll give you what I know off the top of my head
Because of Orgainized Crime, gambling over the phone was made illegal. Those laws, now apply to the Internet.
However, it seems that not every site is made illegal, but certain ones have been told they are not allowed to do business with Americans.
OK,
:-)
I understand where you are comming from.
Moving off-topic now,
Doesn't it strike you a odd that the Lord, would lay down how to practice to only change the practices less then a century later because of the laws of a Government by man. Wouldn't a God be able to foresee this issue, and the suffering it would cause his followers and just skip that practise?
Guess the only answer for that is that God works in Mysterious Ways.
Thank you for the discussion and the explaination
Also, this research that I did was helpful in my understanding of how other sect's of Mormonism can continue to practice Polygamy.
The only thing I can come up with is Online Gambling.
But outside of that, I wouldnt know what Freedoms Europeans enjoy on the internet the we do not have over here in the US.
offensive
causing resentful displeasure; highly irritating, angering, or annoying
repugnant to the moral sense, good taste, or the like; insulting
Those deffinitions leave the word "offensive" pretty open.
"Hello Kitty" can be offensive. Does that mean that "Hello Kitty" should not be allowed in schools?
Words like offensive are subject to ones personal opinion, like what tatse good.
BTW, Who get's to choosewhat is and what is not offensive?
"...God had told him that his people must abide by U.S. law"
US Law outlawed Polygamy
THe US rejected Utah's statehood 5 times because of Polygamy
LDS droppped Polygamy to abide by US law
The US gives Utah Statehood
The chain is pretty simple to follow...
If my claim is flase, then why did the LDS church stop Polygamy?
I see you did not do any research to refute my claims...
Some research:
"In 1862 the first anti-polygamy act was passed by Congress, but the Saints ignored it because they believed it was an unconstitutional intrusion into their freedom of religion" (Source 1)
"The law was finally upheld by the United States Supreme Court in 1879" (Source 1)
"Finally, in 1890, President Wilford Woodruff received a revelation in which, he said later, he was shown what would happen to the church if the policy was not changed. As a result, he issued a document known as the Manifesto, which officially ended the practice of allowing new plural marriages. The federal government, in turn, did its part in bringing about accommodation when presidential amnesties were issued to pre-1890 polygamists. Utah was admitted to the Union in 1896, and church property was returned very shortly thereafter" (Source 1)
"From the beginning of their absorption into the USA the Mormons petitioned the US congress for state-hood Over 46 years they applied 6 times. The first 5 petitions were rejected due to the issue of Mormon polygamy" (Source 2)
"It was only until 1890 that this issue was finally resolved. Wilford Woodruff, the Mormon Church President, declared that God had told him that his people must abide by U.S. law. Thus, polygamy was stopped, and Utah attained its much sort after state-hood." (Source 2)
"The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue--to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?
The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.
. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write
Protestant sects didnt exsist at the Council of Nicea. Your arguements a better fit for saying Jesus would hardly recognize Catholicism.
I guess you could infer Jesus's rejection of Catholicism to Protestants, since they are a Break off of Catholicism.
Of course they were not following the "current Mormon beliefs", they were a fundamentalist church. Hence, they were following what they believed to be the Original Mormon beliefs.
Unlike the LDS Church, they did not agree with changing religious beliefs just to satisfy the US Government like the LDS Church did when it got rid of polygamy so Utah could become a state and allowed people of color to join so they would not lose their tax exempt status.
This is probably why religions should not be allowed to copyright their religious texts.
Copyrights should be reserved for Business, and such.
I tend to lean towards human life not being valuable.
There are already too many people on the planet as it is, and thousands of them die on a daily basis. There is no "magic" to creating life and the resources (Sperm and Eggs) are plentiful. Might as well get something from the resources via scientific study, instead of just letting them go to waste.
The parents sig is correct
But then how else do you get free games?
Don't forget:
/yes, i know that Bil lGtes denies hsi qout and Charles Duell never said his...
"640K should be enough for anyone," Bill Gates
"Everything that can be invented has been invented." Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Patent Office
This thread started with someone talking about playing for 18 hours....
What is spending $150 on a Keyboard and $90 on a mouse when your talking about spending countless hours using them. Your getting a lot more bang for your buck then you would for darn near anything else you'd spend the money on.
Let's go with a med. range gamer and say 2 hours a day, every day. That is 14 hours a week, 728 hours a year. Mean's they are only paying $0.32 an hour... Not too bad for something they plan on spending 728 hours on. Imagin how many hours in a year the guy who said he plays 18 hours in a sitting racks up... Well worth the $240.
As a former Telemarketer, I'd tell you that they prefer when someone just hangs up. It saves them time they would hve wasted on you, and allows them to move onto th enext person/sale faster. However, that does not mean it is over for you, most of the time they just put you back into the que for another phone call at another time.
BUt this isnt really about stoping the phone calls, that is not going ot happen. IT's jsut about getting your jollys from causing them grief. If you don't enjoy that, thne your better off just hanging up.