the ecosystem does not soley exist on just any old trees. it depends on these ancient trees and their natural process of decay and slow regrowth. if you cut down all the large trees, this cycle will be broken and the ecosystem will degrade.
are you nuts? do you ever consider that these people put their time and energy into these efforts, they literally put their lives there their mouths are.
ooooh kneejerk commie remarks! you MUST be really bright!
actually, the predicted rising of the oceans has a lot to do with the effects of heat on water molecules. namely, water will take up more room when warmer. there's a lot of water out there to take up more room.....
not only that, i used to go to freegeek, many of us were there to "stick it to the man", one person i know at a meeting where we all shared why we were here to help out, stood up and said "hi, i'm eric, and i'm an anarchist".
so if you think that freegeek is any less left, you need to wake up, and maybe think about, what exactly is wrong with left?
I know why they didn't. Starbuck's has been talking about 'wireless plans' for ages. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were rolling it out in a bunch of locations across the US. Assuming that's true, the biggest kink in their plans would be if people had to switch their settings every time they went to a Starbuck's to use the net.
they are rolling it out across the country. there should be no settings to change if the channel is different. the ESSID is the same.
I have a wireless network both at work and at home. Just last night I went home and had to change a setting to get on the home network, and it was a surprising hassle. (didn't help much that I was really tired.) I'm technically saavy. I'm not saying it's hard to change settings, but there are situations it can be a nuisance. Hopefully I'll have the settings matched up between here and home before too long. That's what Starbuck's is going to need to do to roll out plans. (Funny Slashdot's against them, Starbuck's is all over the place and if 802.11 appears at every location it'll be a far better rollout then we'll see from a telco like AT&T.)
you're obviously not that technicaly savy. changing networks is really really really simple. i do it somtimes 10 times a day with the public spots of my own and others in ashland. any decent windows software should make it as easy as it is for me under linux, and using my friend's ibook, it's so easy it's silly. of course people are against it, they charge an arm and a leg.
Frankly, it was irresponsible of the local place (heh despite all this, I still have no idea what their name is. Maybe they should advertise?) to choose channel 1. They are located in the center of a bunch of office buildings. It's reasonable to expect that some of those offices are going to experiment with their own wireless cloud, of course defaulting to channel 1. With this default setting set up over a city block, they're degrading service for other people using the 802.11 cloud for private reasons.
it was not wrong for them to choose channel 1. they did a site survey before installing. the only thing in the square before personal telco was a weak ap on channel 11. had it been on channel 1, i'm sure they would have picked channel 11. what do you mean, of course deftaulting to channel 1? cisco, apple, and linksys hardware i've used all default to 6. assuming that it defaults to 1 is just ignorant. see above reasons why it doesn't degrade others signal, because they actually thought about things.
Frankly, that company should have picked a neutral channel, then ADVERTISED they were on it. I, for one, would be pissed if I set up a wireless node and only got 1 megabit out of it. My first assumption would not be that there was another cloud nearby.
which company are you reffering to? personal telco is not a company, it's a bunch of guys who want to check their e-mail anywhere in town honestly. and starbucks, should have looked and respected their neighbors before plopping down their network.
let me tell you another thing... i don't even live in portland anymore, and i know about it. i live in ashland. i have my own little wireless group down here. and whenever i'm in portland, i drop by the square and check my e-mail, irc, and ssh to my servers back home. i was there with a friend and 2 people came up and asked us about it, they both had already heard of PTP and that there was wireless here. it's there, and i think a bunch of people know about it.
and they were aware, they talked to 2 friends of mine (who were just screwing around on the web at the time) when they were installing the node. both of them are part of personal telco, and they talked about a node being there. it seems they're either rude, lazy or both if they don't change their channel. i mean, come on! the techs doing the install knew at least...
yup, i got mine back in 3 days one time, and 6 days another time (an X20 needing a reformat, don't ask, and a 600 needing a new keyboard and modem).
i think it's air express, or somthing like that not fed ex, or at least it has been in my exp.
the other funny part is, thinkpad's are nice solid machines. i swear by them. so does just about every other geek i know. they are nice and sturdy, and should rarely have to go in for service.
i wouldn't disregard that yet either. i'm using an X20 right now, i've had a 600, 240 and 365XD in the past. thinkpads are as good as laptops get. and most anything 300mhz and faster is good enough for me.
because of the lower power and poor antennas on most prism2 cards, it's more like they are selling banner ads on websites that get 10 hits per day. some solution.
besides, if they are releasing their changes, chances are there will be a freenetworks installer coming up very soon now, which will allow you to configure it anyway you like, and not be required to give sifry the "revenue stream".
honestly, i don't think that your company deserves any of this "revenue stream", and that the extra money for sharing connections is an issue between the end user, and their isp. it will also result in supporting local isp's who are willing to work with individuals.
i mean really, what are you providing? the people are providing the connections, the bandwidth, and the hardware. in addition to this, these nodes won't work very well without external antennas and cabling. most people won't be doing this, so the network will be... weak to say the least.
here's why: i am part of a free wireless community already, i founded one in my town. we, unlike sputnik are working with ISP's to work out what would be acceptable with them. so that we save money, and they make just as much, but most likely on less tech support costs.
sputnik isn't making any such attempts. they say at the bottom, please observe your isp's rules. bullshit, they're encouraging you to share your @home cable connection, which isn't allowed.
in doing this, they are going to make isp's lock down against connection sharing, and when any honest community wireless group aproaches them, they will already have a bad taste in their mouth.
another thing is, they are trying fairly hard to hide the fact that all their software is, is an installer for linux and NoCatAuth. (http://nocat.org), which is a GPL application for authentication.
so, here's to sputnik crashing and burning as fast as possible before they make all of us geeks out here trying to use our laptops in the park look like a bunch of swindling criminals like sputnik are.
it can fit of course in 48 megs. it's not like it's windows...
all this is is a nice installer for a linux install, and NoCatAuth http://nocat.org which is a GPL program. so they'd damn well better be giving out source...
if you really want to stick it to the man.... don't sign up with some company to do it!
try hooking up with wireless groups around the country....
http://awip.truffula.net http://personaltelco.n et http://seattlewireless.net http://freenetwork s.org http://consume.net http://free2air.org ht tp://nycwireless.org http://houstonwireless.org just a few examples..... there are lots more... or start your own group.
2.4.17 works fine on all my laptops. but.... my 3 eepro100 ethernet cards in my primary server... are fucking up left and right. they had less problems in 2.4.16, but not by much.
i never had a single problem with these cards under 2.2 kernels. and i really liked them. so, what the heck is the matter? i know they are one of the most common ethernet cards in servers out there. one would think they would be well supported.
yeah, a decent gui is what OS X lacks. no workspaces? no go for me.
opinions on this will of course vary. but, i preffer a minimalistic window manager, and i need multiple workspaces. which the windows and mac interfaces just don't have.
not quite true. someone i know works at apple, they've got software using multiple airport base stations can get a rough triangulation of a client machine.
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take an ecology class.
the ecosystem does not soley exist on just any old trees. it depends on these ancient trees and their natural process of decay and slow regrowth. if you cut down all the large trees, this cycle will be broken and the ecosystem will degrade.
are you nuts? do you ever consider that these people put their time and energy into these efforts, they literally put their lives there their mouths are.
ooooh kneejerk commie remarks! you MUST be really bright!
most mailing lists i'm on have seperate topics going on at the same time, which i assume is what he ment above.
actually, the predicted rising of the oceans has a lot to do with the effects of heat on water molecules. namely, water will take up more room when warmer. there's a lot of water out there to take up more room.....
not only that, i used to go to freegeek, many of us were there to "stick it to the man", one person i know at a meeting where we all shared why we were here to help out, stood up and said "hi, i'm eric, and i'm an anarchist".
so if you think that freegeek is any less left, you need to wake up, and maybe think about, what exactly is wrong with left?
they are rolling it out across the country. there should be no settings to change if the channel is different. the ESSID is the same.
I have a wireless network both at work and at home. Just last night I went home and had to change a setting to get on the home network, and it was a surprising hassle. (didn't help much that I was really tired.) I'm technically saavy. I'm not saying it's hard to change settings, but there are situations it can be a nuisance. Hopefully I'll have the settings matched up between here and home before too long. That's what Starbuck's is going to need to do to roll out plans. (Funny Slashdot's against them, Starbuck's is all over the place and if 802.11 appears at every location it'll be a far better rollout then we'll see from a telco like AT&T.)
you're obviously not that technicaly savy. changing networks is really really really simple. i do it somtimes 10 times a day with the public spots of my own and others in ashland. any decent windows software should make it as easy as it is for me under linux, and using my friend's ibook, it's so easy it's silly. of course people are against it, they charge an arm and a leg.
Frankly, it was irresponsible of the local place (heh despite all this, I still have no idea what their name is. Maybe they should advertise?) to choose channel 1. They are located in the center of a bunch of office buildings. It's reasonable to expect that some of those offices are going to experiment with their own wireless cloud, of course defaulting to channel 1. With this default setting set up over a city block, they're degrading service for other people using the 802.11 cloud for private reasons.
it was not wrong for them to choose channel 1. they did a site survey before installing. the only thing in the square before personal telco was a weak ap on channel 11. had it been on channel 1, i'm sure they would have picked channel 11. what do you mean, of course deftaulting to channel 1? cisco, apple, and linksys hardware i've used all default to 6. assuming that it defaults to 1 is just ignorant. see above reasons why it doesn't degrade others signal, because they actually thought about things.
Frankly, that company should have picked a neutral channel, then ADVERTISED they were on it. I, for one, would be pissed if I set up a wireless node and only got 1 megabit out of it. My first assumption would not be that there was another cloud nearby.
which company are you reffering to? personal telco is not a company, it's a bunch of guys who want to check their e-mail anywhere in town honestly. and starbucks, should have looked and respected their neighbors before plopping down their network.
let me tell you another thing... i don't even live in portland anymore, and i know about it. i live in ashland. i have my own little wireless group down here. and whenever i'm in portland, i drop by the square and check my e-mail, irc, and ssh to my servers back home. i was there with a friend and 2 people came up and asked us about it, they both had already heard of PTP and that there was wireless here. it's there, and i think a bunch of people know about it.
and they were aware, they talked to 2 friends of mine (who were just screwing around on the web at the time) when they were installing the node. both of them are part of personal telco, and they talked about a node being there. it seems they're either rude, lazy or both if they don't change their channel. i mean, come on! the techs doing the install knew at least...
question, how is this redundant?
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http://austinwireless.net
http://www.milehighw
http://free2air.org
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http://bcwireless.net
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http://nycwireless.
yup, i got mine back in 3 days one time, and 6 days another time (an X20 needing a reformat, don't ask, and a 600 needing a new keyboard and modem).
i think it's air express, or somthing like that not fed ex, or at least it has been in my exp.
the other funny part is, thinkpad's are nice solid machines. i swear by them. so does just about every other geek i know. they are nice and sturdy, and should rarely have to go in for service.
my cyrix 180 runs blackbox wonderfuly :)
and so does my thinkpad 240 (celeron 300), thinkpad X20 (p3 600) and a k6-2 400.
all shapes and sizes supported!
i wouldn't disregard that yet either. i'm using an X20 right now, i've had a 600, 240 and 365XD in the past. thinkpads are as good as laptops get. and most anything 300mhz and faster is good enough for me.
because of the lower power and poor antennas on most prism2 cards, it's more like they are selling banner ads on websites that get 10 hits per day. some solution.
besides, if they are releasing their changes, chances are there will be a freenetworks installer coming up very soon now, which will allow you to configure it anyway you like, and not be required to give sifry the "revenue stream".
honestly, i don't think that your company deserves any of this "revenue stream", and that the extra money for sharing connections is an issue between the end user, and their isp. it will also result in supporting local isp's who are willing to work with individuals.
i mean really, what are you providing? the people are providing the connections, the bandwidth, and the hardware. in addition to this, these nodes won't work very well without external antennas and cabling. most people won't be doing this, so the network will be... weak to say the least.
sorry, i just don't see this going anywhere.
i hope it fails.
here's why:
i am part of a free wireless community already, i founded one in my town. we, unlike sputnik are working with ISP's to work out what would be acceptable with them. so that we save money, and they make just as much, but most likely on less tech support costs.
sputnik isn't making any such attempts. they say at the bottom, please observe your isp's rules. bullshit, they're encouraging you to share your @home cable connection, which isn't allowed.
in doing this, they are going to make isp's lock down against connection sharing, and when any honest community wireless group aproaches them, they will already have a bad taste in their mouth.
another thing is, they are trying fairly hard to hide the fact that all their software is, is an installer for linux and NoCatAuth. (http://nocat.org), which is a GPL application for authentication.
so, here's to sputnik crashing and burning as fast as possible before they make all of us geeks out here trying to use our laptops in the park look like a bunch of swindling criminals like sputnik are.
it can fit of course in 48 megs. it's not like it's windows...
all this is is a nice installer for a linux install, and NoCatAuth http://nocat.org which is a GPL program. so they'd damn well better be giving out source...
if you really want to stick it to the man.... don't sign up with some company to do it!
n etk s.orgt tp://nycwireless.org
try hooking up with wireless groups around the country....
http://awip.truffula.net
http://personaltelco.
http://seattlewireless.net
http://freenetwor
http://consume.net
http://free2air.org
h
http://houstonwireless.org
just a few examples..... there are lots more... or start your own group.
alcohol.
i disagree. i value music over drugs any day.
personally, i'd cut you in two with the katana i carry.
i will defend myself personally, but i will not condone violence for politics.
2.4.17 works fine on all my laptops. but.... my 3 eepro100 ethernet cards in my primary server... are fucking up left and right. they had less problems in 2.4.16, but not by much.
i never had a single problem with these cards under 2.2 kernels. and i really liked them. so, what the heck is the matter? i know they are one of the most common ethernet cards in servers out there. one would think they would be well supported.
yeah, a decent gui is what OS X lacks. no workspaces? no go for me.
opinions on this will of course vary. but, i preffer a minimalistic window manager, and i need multiple workspaces. which the windows and mac interfaces just don't have.
not quite true. someone i know works at apple, they've got software using multiple airport base stations can get a rough triangulation of a client machine.
i'm not terribly impressed... debian has been doing this for years.
There are a bunch of other projects like this. Including my own Ashland's Wireless Internet Project (AWIP) http://awip.truffula.net
:) (hence why i started another one...)
Also there's....
http://personaltelco.net
http://seattlewireless.net
http://bawug.org
http://free2air.org
http://consume.net
a lot of these have been mentioned on slashdot before....
They're cool though