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An anonymous reader writes "Amit Asaravala over at Wired News has an interesting article up about the tree-sitters in Humboldt County. Apparently a bunch of tech activists from the Indymedia Center are setting the tree-sitters up with an 802.11b network so that they can blog about all the logging going on up there. Seems like a pretty interesting way to use technology to help the environment, which isn't something you see everyday."
I thought people like that were anti-technology. I guess they're afraid of burning fossil fules or something, I don't know. But why would they want Internet access if they don't like technology?
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Only terrorists use 802.11!
that the loggers use Dells and all the tree sitters use Macs. What could that mean? I'll check back in 24.
Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of trees with hippies in them? Wow!
FoundNews.com - get paid to blog.,
Where does the power for this technology come from? Does it use any plastic (oil)? Any metal (mining)? Any manuals included (wood)?
Hypocrites.
BC
...so he's protesting logging, and logging the experience.
Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.
how will he spell his scream as he falls out of the tree to his death
Hey, as long as their not on welfare they can sit in a friggin' log for all I care. What I would like to know is where they got the platform that she is sitting on. I assume it is made out of wood. Reminds me of the guy who broke a window at a fur coat store in Manhattan. The news anchor was making fun of him because he was wearing a leather jacket and leather shoes.
...from the hmm-it's-getting-boring-up-here-with-no-internet-a ccess dept. :)
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Do you know *exactly* how they picket a beaver? It would turn your stomach to know the details. They are kept in cages too small to even turn around, and that is the best part of their short lives, before the PICKETING begins... Too look at it, you'd never even think they could FIT the picket in the little bucktooth guys...
We need to get ORGANIZED to stop this insanity!
BEAVER PICKETING IS MURDER!
CAABP: Citizen Activists Against Beaver Picketing
If these people dislike logging so much why don't they simply wait until the fire season and start playing with matches.
I doubt they have an extension cord running through the forest to their tree. They must go through a lot of batteries.
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"Blog" is a stupid word. You know that, right? Okay then.
One of these days, you know, someone's gonna come along with evidence that 802.11 causes birds to fly into trees and buildings.
Do you think that'll stop the tree-climbing environauts from using it?
Of course not!
Ed R.Zahurak
You know, oblivion keeps looking better every day.
Oops. Sorry you got modded down because your post was not politically correct. Remember, slashdot is like most universities. Free speech is ok as long as you don't hurt somebody's feelings.
Dude, they are probably so stoned, it doesn't even matter if the computer is on or not. Humboldt - excellent nuggets. Man, they're probably floating 47 feet above the ground. I thought this was Slashdot not Smokedot....
"And if you go up in the tree, you can't come down for anything, not a phish concert, not even for Burning Man"
At least now they can communicate a bit more with the world while sitting in the trees. Though one has to wonder how they recharge their laptops? Those would need to be some pretty long extension cords.
What the hell is this, K5?
It was 1 Funny when I saw it. Guess it takes all kinds
As opposed to what? All of the really exciting stuff going on in your parent's basement? Since when have weblogs been interesting? Quite hypocritical for someone who probably plays games all day to rip on someone who is trying to help save the environment.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
They are not as clueless as you are, that's for sure. Chopping down a large part of a forest will destroy the habitat for animals and other species living there, some of which may be very rare.
If you would have read their weblog you would have known more about why they are protesting.
Trees, eh? I'd love to see a Beow... oh, never mind.
I'm not very good at making decisions... Or am I?
I wonder how much polution the power companies are producing to give them the electricity they need to do this.
http://www.contrast.org/treesit/
I'm not a Karma Whore!!!!
"Seems like a pretty interesting way to use technology to help the environment, which isn't something you see everyday."
In helping the environment you mean they want the forests to remain as is and not evolve and keep the forests nice and tight so a fire will take everything out.
The evolution of a western United States forest doesn't stop at the large conifers, fires are supposed to clear out the conifers so the next phase of the forest continues.
We fight fires, so the forests remain coniferous. For the last few decades clear cutting has been replaced with selective cutting, but yahoos like these hippies want things to remain static. Well a forest of big pine bombs waiting to go off will just cause one hell of a fire someday and the trees will still be dead.
Bah to the hippies.
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
It's perfectly reasonable to question how many people will ever read these blogs (aside from those who are already fully on board the movement). It may be preaching to the choir, but it could also be used as an effective alert system to get "the choir" quickly to the site of illegal action.
I'm sure their will also be a couple members of the more mainstream alternative media (folks like Willamette Week, or even Harper's) who will spread some of the better stuff to the general public.
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
If you're blogging about logging,
While sitting in a tree,
Then the chances are,
You're a geek hippie.
Swaying in the branches,
Laptop in your hands,
No safety net to speak of,
Just a couple of rubber bands.
Be safe up in the treetops,
And please try not to fall,
Despite all that long hair,
You will not bounce at all.
Meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow...
Do you REALLY think that all the people who consider the earth's natural environment to be of intrinsic value are anti-technology and want to return us to the stone age?
I know many such people and almost all of them see technology as the solution for our environmental problems.
If adequate funding was given to clean energy sources then perhaps this dream could become reality. Of course, with GWII in power, oil buddies come first!
"the tree-sitters in Humboldt County. "
man i would hate to sit in a tree, away from my dark cave room.
at least they got good weed.no wait, *damn* good weed
Dear Diary:
Had a grand ol time at Pooh Bear and Tiggers pajama party last evening. Things really rocked when the Country Bears stopped by and busted out some tunes. Ol Smokey really put a damper on things at the end though with the whole "only you can prevent forest fires" blog.
Heard about Bambi's mom. Real bummer, Grizzly Adams was really bent out of shape about it, going on and on about the damn recreational hunters.
And a tree fell yesterday. It didn't know I was watching, it made no noise.
"Seems like a pretty interesting way to use technology to help the environment, which isn't something you see everyday."
We'll let's see here newbie, Blockbuster now simply charges my credit card for late movies, and I think that's a stretch more interesting use of technology than stringing cable through the evergreens. And Donna, remember sitting in a forest writing a diary on logging is like camping out on Aisle 5 and writing about a Mom who chooses Jif over Peter Pan. It's gonna happen sweetheart. Now sweetie, I know your getting your birkenstocks all in a wad, but before you fill your all-natural-llama-hair sweater full of crocodile tears, let me remind you of something you may have forgotten between you double-lattes served in a styrene cup: specifically, the tree in which you now sit, his brother, though now long gone, is the very thing which allows us all to heat our homes, preserve our thoughts, and keep our bottoms clean.
"This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
Tree hugging with VR gloves is next?
Cheers, Nostrada
I don't think you can characterize anyone who is pro-environment as anti-technology. Not everyone on /. thinks corporations are the spawn of evil. I do wonder if many people who are pro-environment know all of the pollution that chip manufacturers produce... etc.
However, for all of you who will slam others for their inconsistencies, keep in mind that it is almost impossible to be 100% consistent. Just because someone has decided to choose one area to focus their energies on for some good, and isn't trying to be super(wo)man and fix everything, that should not nullify any truth that is in their message. That should not be pointed out to discredit them, or make you seem smarter. Every bit of good helps.
Do you think we could link to thier blog and slashdot a whole forrest?
I don't understand why the logging companies just don't call in the police to remove these tree sitters. Why hasn't this been done yet?
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
How the fuck do you think the batteries get charged up you stupid bastard?
Put simply: why on earth would someone who is against the logging of a forest be automatically anti-technology?
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Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
I can just see the IM traffic..
Tr33Hugg3r: Hey man, can you toss me over another bag of granola? The last one fell on that park ranger's truck.
fukDaMan: sure, if you toss me another bag of soy nuts.
veggieChix0r: I'm cold, I want to go home.
1l0v3Tr335 : damn, my batteries in my MP3 player died, no more Bruce Cockburn for me..
Trolling is a art,
We can't use manufactured products because they all use plastics, which in various degrees of directness affect global warming.
We can't use timber, because we might disturb the ecology.
I think if we killed all activists everywhere, the world would consume a lot less, and there for produce a lot less, log a lot less, etc.
Save the planet, kill a protester.
Ummm most likely solar.... I seriously doubt they would find a heck of a lot of outlets in a forest.
And if people don't post about Hezbollah using 802.11, then why is there stuff about Earth First?
b ui ld/forests/ecoterror.php?nnn=2
"Headwaters has been the scene of numerous clashes between Earth First environmentalists and Pacific Lumber."
Good, I hope someone gets a paddlin' by some loggers.
http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2002/08/29/
http://www.cdfe.org/ecoterror1.htm
ALF, Hezbollah, Earth First, Earth Liberation Front, Hamas, Violent Right to Life, WCC...
Terrorism is terrorism.
And you wonder why people hate Americans.
Maybe, instead of watching logging, they should read a science book or three, but then again all religions, be they god based or nature based, are resistant to science. Extreme environmentalism is just another religion.
It's all just ideology, and it degenerates the human mind to less than that of a crude robot. I've met these extreme enviro types. They have passed beyond reason and rationality and truth into a fantasy world. They should be in padded rooms getting help rather than in the tops of trees.
--- Ban humanity.
The laptop being used is made entirely of hemp.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Maybe, I'm one of few, but I see the environment pretty much everyday.
Trying is the first step towards failure.
Right. Nobody's suggesting that *all* economic activity should stop on environmental grounds. What they're protesting is how and where logging happens.
Sure, we need wood and paper, but do we really need to cut down ancient redwood forests containing the tallest trees in the world? If managed correctly, tree farms can produce all the pulp that we need.
A car battery recharger powers the equipment
I'm not quite getting how this works. A car battery charger plugs into wall and thus charges the battery. But, since the activists are up a tree, how are they plugging in?
I'm assuming it means they're using a car-battery to charge it, but eventually that would run out of juice too.
I'm saying that I beleive everyone who is pro-environment is anti-technology. Just the extremists. Just like I don't think every Muslim wants to destroy America, just the extremists.
:)
Say what you will, but the tree sitters are the extremists.
Ok, I'll turn the Rush Limbaugh button off now.
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I suppose this article is timely - it is the season of fruitcakes after all! But seriously, isn't there something useful they can be doing with their time?
Maybe they could study architecture or engineering and come up with good, economical ways to build housing without lumber? Or do fundraising to purchase land to make reserves? Or research to find better, more environmentally friendly ways of logging? Perhaps if some lumber company choose to do old style logging (where you pick individual, strategic trees to remove instead of clear cutting leaving a good variety of trees and undergrowth), they could lobby to support such companies, despite higher lumber costs?
I dunno, just seems like there's more productive ways to spend your life, and still make a difference.
Slashdot: New for Hippies, Stuff that is irrelevant.
In a broader sense, I don't have a problem with these people making their statement... there's plenty of other trees to cut down, and frankly I'm glad they're out of the way.
It's when they start causing harm (sabotaging equipment and putting nails in trees) that they step over the line.
There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
If these people dislike logging so much why don't they simply wait until the fire season and start playing with matches.
You don't know how hard I had to resist moderating that as flamebait.
i found it interesting that a person who is willing to live in a tree for months on end to protest the destruction of that tree would use a car battery to power her computer. car batteries can leak, corrode, and are generally bad for the environment if they are not recycled properly. the process the make car batteries is, i'm sure, taxing on the environment as well.
perhaps she could use solar power, or muscle power to power the equipment. it just seems a half hearted effort to demonstrate, but to use a polluting device in the process.
http://github.com/gbook/nidb
Although I respect the strength of the resolve of all Sitters, I can only wonder at the effectiveness of this tactic? As I look out my office window, the company I work for is producing many millions of board feet of timber products. Each year, our production numbers increase and each year our environmental efforts increase to ensure the timber industry continues. Point is, the industry is *much* more responsible and sales continue to increase every year. Seems like the General Public isn't as worried that we are going to take a mower to the trees now that it is known that most of the industry has grown up.
I bet you wouldn't hear one single tree-hugger crying if all the mosquitoes in the world suddenly vanished.
Just one question, though: Where do the tree-huggers live when they aren't up a tree? Do they live in special "wood-free" houses?
"I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
Haven't any of you radical tree-huggers noticed something interesting about plants?
THEY GROW BACK!
You cut down trees, and a few years later they just grow back again. You cut down the new ones, and more grow back. Its called a renewable resource, like corn or wheat or apples, etc.
Up here in the NW we've had our logging industry devastated by these radical nutburgers. They got the media to play up the spotted owl issue to the point that logging was shut down all across the state. And now it ends up that there isn't anything special about their habitat -- they'll even nest in KFC signs.
But do they apologize for devastating and industry and putting thousands out of work? For raising the prices of the wood we build our houses with? No. They don't have to apologize -- they meant well, didn't they?
So please don't give me any of this helping the environment crap. It doesn't need any help from us.
Remember Lexington Green!
Do they really deserve protection? :)
Link here
Logging protester killed by falling tree, activist group says Published Aug. 26, 1998 Sacramento Bee
FORTUNA, Calif. (AP) -- An activist was struck in the head and killed by a falling tree Thursday afternoon while trying to block the logging of ancient redwoods on Pacific Lumber Co. land, Earth First! said.
The radical environmental group said David Chain, who uses the nom-de-guerre "Gypsy," was standing among redwoods marked for logging and trying to dissuade tree fellers when he was killed.
A fellow protester who fled the scene reported that the impact cracked open Chain's skull, said Earth First! co-founder Daryl Cherney, who said sheriff's deputies told the group he died at the scene.
"It's easy to get hit by a tree out there," said Cherney. "Even experienced activists or seasoned people -- it doesn't matter. One time I found myself in a hole and had to scramble out before the tree fell."
Pacific Lumber did not return telephone messages seeking comment. The Humboldt County Sheriff's department and the California Department of Forestry confirmed only that they were responding to a logging accident.
Earth First! had staged a 12-day protest against the logging of an ancient redwood stand along Grizzly Creek, in a ravine near the mill town of Fortuna, about 300 miles up the coast from San Francisco.
Eight of the group's activists had been arrested Wednesday on trespassing charges. Thursday was the first day the group engaged in the more aggressive tactic they call "cat and mouse," putting their bodies in harm's way.
The protesters say the logging, on land adjacent to a "lesser cathedral" of centuries-old redwoods purchased under the $495 million Headwaters Agreement, is destroying the protected habitat of the Marbled Murrelet, an endangered seabird that nests in the tops of the majestic trees.
CALREPORT | SACBEE HOME Copyright c The Associated Press Copyright c The Sacramento Bee
If we don't fight for ourselves no one will.
Being inconsistent because it is too difficult to be consistant isn't an excuse. If you are trying to figure out a way to solve the problem that the logging solves, without logging (that area) then you aren't being inconsistent, and using your energy wisely.
If you are merely pointing out problems, and criticising me, then you are wasting your energy, and not affecting any good. If you are doing this, and contributing more to the ultimate problem, then you are a hypocrite.
Complaining of a problem IS NOT working on a solution. If these people have a VIABLE solution to solve the problem that the logging solves, then that would be productive.
It is not contradictory to use technology to protect the environment. By and large, what these people are against is the thoughtless, greedy, UNSUSTAINABLE raping of earth's resources. Corporations have demonstrated themselves to be incapable of thought beyond the bottom line.
People like this are you and I. There's a saying: "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." Instead of labeling these public servants, read a bit about the issues and I'll bet you find yourself in the same mindset.
~gb
From the article... "I miss being on the Internet..." Do you know what I'd miss "being on" if I was stuck up a tree for 8 months, the toilet!!
--My sig is bigger than your sig--
They used to keep track of everything on paper and pencil. Both being wood related products they decided to use plastic and other chemically derived non biodegradable products like those commonly used in the production of electronic devices to show how much they care for the environment.
In related news, the Loggers Local 131 union hired non union workers to build their new headquarters because of the significant cost savings over using union labor.
Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
If they can not live in a manner totally consistent with their beliefs, then how can they even ask me to?
If you have a belief that you want someone to follow, then you can't waiver in how you follow your own belief. That is the basic definition of hypocrite.
Blogging about logging.
Well.
I know I'm excited.
And shouldn't that be "tree-huggers", not "tree-sitters"?
t_t_b
I'm on PJ's "enemies" list! Are you?
This is real, honest to god, natural selection. With medical facilities as good as they are in this day and age, deaths due to stupidity are rare, but here's a classic example. Good to see at least one more idiot won't be contributing to the gene pool.
On a related note, the sitter in this article named her tree "Jerry". And takers on when she's gonna be the next example of natural selection in action?
I think everyone would be pretty upset if all the mosquitos were wiped out. They serve an important role, like 'em or not.
If it gets slashdotted the whole damn forest could go up in flames taking the activists with it.
Hey, wait a minute...
I was just at the site and they have pictures of the activist chicks doing the traditional wood nymph blessing dance...in the nude. Check it out...streaming video too!
This is more than a little offtopic, but do these people come down to do their business or do they just hang their asses over the branch and let loose on the unsuspecting below?
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
But of course they won't do that because these kinds of groups are very unreceptive to criticism and debate. Trolls aside (and what message board doesn't have trolls), I think they would find that their cause and methods are not as accepted or supported as many of them believe.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
I hear the bloggers flog the loggers in their blog. It's slashdotted now, that is, the dotters are hogging the blog flogging the loggers. The blog is bogging down, logging 404's. I'm logging this log blog hogging in my blog.
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
A group of australia lifeguards have expressed immense interest in the endeavour; the only technical hurdle they have to face is that their thongs are too small to accommodate any extra piece of equipment, namely the wireless devices needed to access the service.
"Is that your cellphone in your Speedo, or are you happy to see me?", asked Cindy, when meeting her fellow lifeguard Jon.
In five easy steps.
1 - Climb down out of the tree.
2 - Get a job.
3 - Save up money.
4 - Buy land with trees on it.
5 - Don't cut them down.
Out of all of them, #2 is the only one that takes a lot of effort.
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
From the article: A car battery recharger powers the equipment
So what powers the car battery recharger? A Honda generator?
And do you not see the your own short sighted simple-minded view of the world in your words? do you really think the issue is that simple?
hypocritical, indeed.
"I think the great thing about tree-sitters using 802.11 is how they can post on the Internet without wires. That way, they can type 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!' while falling out of a tree, and click 'Submit' right before they hit the ground."
...
Sure, it's always about the tallest, the cutest, the warm and cuddliest. Why not cut down the tallest, and spare some of the short young trees? Haven't the redwoods already had their day in the sun?
Hey I could start Extreme Blogging as Extreme Ironing is starting to bore me.
Chop down the trees with the treehuggers in them. Plant a new one, it'll grow back. Plus old-ass forests aren't good for the ecology. It's good to thin out the forest to allow other plants to grow.
-- Liberalism is a mental disorder.
You live in a cartoon world. All your opponents are caricatures.
Come on out to reality some time.
I bet you came to age in the sixties, and you were pot smoking tree hugger then. And now... your still a pot smoking tree hugger. People laugh at you. You are like a clown, but what's even funnier is that you don't even know it. ROTFLMAO, look at the clown in his tree. He thinks people care. HAHAHAHA
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I have always been a supporter of alternative building supplies to wood. That and also doing more "crop rotation" logging, to include planting and the like. Just remember that this is yet another example of how some "green" folk are all "hey, lets save the environment" when their only knowledge of the environment is that which they drive by occassionally and that which is obtained from book information. The situation is both sad yet funny in which a city born person comes out in his Gucci/Tommy Hilfiger outdoor gear, 1500 dollar backpack and accessories and fancy array of tech gadgets that impress other city bred folk. They then begin to point, jeer and taunt the "Hillbillies, Rednecks, etc" that live off and with the land as if their second or third hand (and rate) knowledge of environmental interactions and dependencies is really all that great. Oh and this is not really changed if you just happen to camp every once in a blue moon or go "extreme" biking, skiiing, whatever.
Hey! I read about ice fishing and igloo building so I will load up and tell everyone in the Artic regions how to live and that they are all stupid and "insensitive."
Good reasoning.
That's why we shouldn't care about exctincting other species when an oil container crashes in the ocean near the shore.
Or about any 'nearly extinct' animals hunters.
I'm one of those nutty Indymedia activists. I have serious problems with the conservative domination of our so called "liberal" media, and am doing proactive, constructive things to work to change that. Among them is writing for my local IMC, another is working for media reform, as much of this has been made possible by federal legislation and other actions by the Fed.
anyway, serious bravo to folks at San Fran IMC for doing this. Technology is not necessarily paradoxical to environmental activism -- and if anything, the high tech world needs a serious dose of environmental awareness, power consumption and chip production being the two main things that I'm sure we could come up with very creative solutions to.
Briefly more on IMC: I can only speak for my local Indymedia, but we've been doing a lot of reporting on things that the Big Media(tm) have ignored. There've been a number of controversial things happening in Madison over the past few years. While we are fortunate to have more than one daily newspaper, we're as affected by radio, TV, and cable conglomeration as the rest of the United States. That means that in the major press outlets, many of these controversial issues have gone on without more than the Official Word(tm) being spoken about it. While we're still small, we're growing, and with it a sense that fair and accurate reporting needs to happen by everyone -- corporate media and volunteer/activist media alike. I'm proud to be working with what must now be the thousands of other media activists in the 100+ IMCs that exist around the world. let's keep it up!
-- haaz.
Did you notice that Rashad or whatever the dude who is getting married had a powerbook????? then he suddenly turns out to be a decent guy (maybe)??? odd, so he would be in the tree, but that chick at the CTU office has a Dell (refer to episode 1 of this season) hrmmmm..... Anyways, What I'm saying is off topic so I'm destined to be modded down but 24 fans MUST UNITE!!!!!
...does anyone hear it fail?
Bush should have died, not Reagan -- Morrissey
Morrissey rides a cockhorse -- The Warlock Pinchers
Yay, I love that song.
They might be using the same gimmick again! Notice Rasheed or whatever the shit his name is owned a powerbook? he seems to be a decent guy after all.
Hahah, lets invoke stereotypes and resort to name calling to avoid an intelligent discussion.
New trees will grow to take their place.
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>> Seems like a pretty interesting way to use technology to help the environment
No it's not.
Can't we add loggers, lumberjacks, and similar extractivist workers to this extinct species list? If they are unable to adapt to the new environment-conscious society that has evolved in the last few decades they should die.
As for rare food, I like sushi but woodland creature should be well cooked. After all they have been running around a germ infested forest for god knows how long.
A lot of these same folks preach solar power use. But it not only takes more energy to produce a cell than it will ever return, but the chemicals in the manufacuring are extremely hazardous....
Some how, there's something very darwinian about reading the stories of deaths from people falling out of trees where they were living/sitting in protest. Makes you feel like humanity is taking a step in the right direction..
Truth is I support some of their argument, but this is not how to do it....plus the laptop up there is throwing doubt on my joy of eliminating the dead weight!
... the wireless network violated fcc regulations for maximum output power in the 2.4ghz spectrum...
actually im wondering, how many of these tree sitters/huggers live in wood homes when they are not sitting in a tree?
Ok, the GWII comment was a cheap shot, one that has some truth however.
I stand wholeheartedly behind my comment regarding the lack of funding to renewable energy... its incredibly short sighted from an environmental and national security POV to stay dependant on oil.
If GW was the patriot he claimed to be, he would recognise this and take steps toward a solution.
One minute... "It seems to be sucking the life out of my big battery up here. Maybe a third battery would be appropriate..." The next minute... "In just under two hundred years, the euro-american value system has killed off..." blah blah What's it going to be lady?
Why would a logging company want to chop down a large part of a forest? They would go out of business if they did not manage their crop of trees. Logging is nothing more than "Tree Farming". These companies must replant the trees they chop down if they want to remain viable in the future. As for the animals, they are not as fragile as you think. Animals are capable of adapting to their environment and making new homes. Most don't stay in one place anyways. Its not like they settle into one place and stay there. They've got legs and they use them.
LOL, Bravo!
Ha. You called other people children.
Thanks for emphasizing that you're not only an asshole. You're also an idiot.
They're probably fighting to save the big trees to hide the little trees.
There was a pretty good movie, Homegrown , about pot growers in Humboldt County.
Redwood forests are, if I remember correctly, post-climax ecosystems, which mean that they have less biodiversity than a forest that is between 5 and 20 years old. When a forest is logged, it opens spaces where new growth (read: stuff that animals eat). I am not advocating cutting down all of the redwoods, but selective logging (leaving the healthiest trees to reseed the area) will certainly increase the health of the local ecosystem in the long run.
I grew up 10 miles south of Eureka and 10 miles north of Scotia where Pacific Lumber is based. These tree sitters are invading private property and breaking the law. Pacific Lumber has a legal right to harvest those trees. Why we tolerate this is beyond me. If the target was a high tech office building in Santa Clara instead of remote Humboldt County, Calif. it would not have been allowed to continue. There is only around 100,000 people in the entire county and the major economic activities are Tourism, Agriculture, Fishing and Timber. The only one that pays worth spit is timber.
BLOG! .plan it's good
What's full of posts
and lying boasts?
it's BLOG, it's BLOG
It's better than
it's BLOG BLOG
It's not a question of 'should'
What's boring and lame
and always the same?
it's BLOG, it's BLOG
It's a diary on the 'net
it's BLOG, it's BLOG
it's stories about your pet
Everyone loves the BLOG
Everyone needs a BLOG
BLOG from Whammo!
or if you like the logs...
LOG!
What rolls down stairs
Alone or in pairs
Rolls over your neighbor's dog.
What's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's log, log, log!
It's lo-og, lo-og,
It's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's lo-og, lo-og,
It's better than bad, it's good.
Everyone wants a log,
You're gonna love it, log
Come on and get your log,
Everyone needs a log...
BY BLAMMO!
Day six: Frank asked if I was a vegetarian today. He already knows this. What does he mean?
Day twelve: Will no one let it rest that I dreamed I heard chainsaws?
Day twenty-nine: Another fricken squirrel!
Day sixty: I'm just going outside, and I may be some time.
Keep your packets off my GNU/Girlfriend!
I always wondered if these tree sitters all live in wood construction?
Atto
I didn't use the preview button, so get over it!!!!
Mike
Extremism runs both ways, there, parking-lot-boy.
If you believe that a tree farm is an acceptable replacement for an integrated forest ecosystem maybe it's you who should crack open a science book. (BTW, that would be biology.)
- Hail to our fearless misleader! Fool speed ahead!
How is ripping on someone that is trying to help the environment, while playing games, hypocritical?
Are you implying that if you play games, you should also be a tree hugger?
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
Up here in my little portion of Massachusetts, Tree Farms are all over the place. Public land, private land. Its one of the ways that you manage a forest. When you read these stories, it seems like the only way these eco-terrorists want to manage things is to keep everybody out but themselves. I guess that is why I enjoyed the ending to Rainbow Six so much.
"I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating. And in fourteen days, I had lost exactly two weeks. Joe E. Lewis
The loggers should chop the damned tree down with them in it. The tree-huggers whine about the precious trees, and tie up legal logging in the courts, and then stand idly by when the forests burn down because they haven't been thinned out. Ever see a tree-hugger working on the fire lines? Never. And when the tree-sitters finally go home, it will be to a wood-framed house. Then they'll go out with their eco-terrorist friends, all sit around a bonfire of burning wood, and sing Kumbaya accompnied by music played on wooden guitars. They really could care less about the trees or the environment, they're only out to bring down capitalism. They're a bunch of loser communists who can't get over the fact that communism failed.
this is actually kind of funny!
**>>BELCH
Seems like a pretty interesting way to use technology to help the environment, which isn't something you see everyday.
You may not see it everyday, but perhaps your eyes aren't sufficiently open.
Think about big general trends: What aspect of modern life has the most significant impact on the size of woodlands and forests? It's the need to feed a growing population! From around 1850 to the turn of the 20th century, millions of acres of trees were cleared in order to make way for farmland.
Now take a look at this report from the USGS.
Looking at the text I calculate the following:
1850: ~13 acres of farmland per person
1990: ~1 acre of farmland per person
And, this is with the U.S. now having gobs of surplus agricultural production to help feed the rest of the world! True, the report shows that a significant portion of this farmland became (sub)urbia. But, that is how a growing population distributes itself. Imagine how much worse it would have been for the forests had we needed to maintain that 13ac/person.
And what allowed this miracle to happen? It wasn't people sitting up in trees, that's for sure. It was technology, including machinery, pesticides, irrigation, and lately, lots of information technology to help with more efficient planting and harvesting protocols.
All this, in addition to the fact that only rich societies can even afford to care about such luxuries as old-growth forests. To the vast majority of the world, such concerns are trivialities. In a real sense, it is only technology which allows these tree-sitters to exist at all.
If humans are mostly water, and beer is mostly water, then humans must be mostly beer.
I live in Humboldt County, no one here cares what they do anymore, how did such a pointless endeavour ever reach the honor of becoming a slashdot headline? The 802.11b network is doomed to fail because of the interference caused by the redwoods and the ammount of water they hold. Its a publicity stunt by San Francisco entrepreneurs to support an illegal cause no one cares about.
Progressive scan is a sophisticated laser method for reading DVDs. Usually, products with progressive scan will display cleaner images than those without it, but Kevorkian said the feature is "over-hyped."
Now, we all know what progressive scan is, and it has nothing to do with a "sophisticated laser method for reading DVDs." See for yourself
Let's all send email to Wired and tell them to fire Elisa Batista!
Could someone seriously explain what these people are protesting for? Is it wrong for people to cut down trees?
Trees are burnt to the ground in forest fires, how come people aren't protesting forest fires? I understand that it would be bad if someone were to cut down all the trees, but that wouldn't make much financial sense for a logging company to do that. Is it an age thing? Like an older tree shouldn't be cut down but it is ok to cut down younger trees? What is the criteria for being an older tree?
BTW, what are their platforms made of? Plastic? Metal? Wood?! What about the food they eat? Even if they are vegan, what makes a tree's "life" more sacred than some bean sprout?
Speak truth to power.
People like you are lame.
Because trees are more than the wood they contain. Because the tallest oldest blah blah blah trees are a vital part of an ecosystem that will be harmed by their removal.
They should just strap a server to the tree and login from home.
Or even better, they could just talk one of the loggers into sitting in the tree for them ala Hitchhiker's Guide.
named "Jerry"? I mean, "Luna" I could get behind, but Jerry??? I think the enviros need to hire a marketing consultant.
Are they burning peat? That is the only fossil fuel.
...get the tree huggers outta the gene pool... :-)
and how exactly do you argue with those in power before they clear cut the old growth. I have a business, and can easily recognize the necessity of doing what you believe in. many people are hippocrits, these people just happen to actually do something the rest of the time. as for your scientific statement of forest fire causes, the research is inconclusive (just like global warming!), and affects primarily planted areas, not established forests which are older than our country. i oppose clrear cutting primarily because nobody respects the material any more. it's such a shame to cut down trees such as these for shit furniture and mini-villas. stewardship! lol!
There is less surface area in one tree than several; there are more ecological niches in several smaller trees. The only difference is that bugs have to climb further or eat more, and the same bird's nest which is safe at 30 feet is no more safe at 100 feet up -- squirrels don't mind heights.
Say, aren't they disturbing the environment just a little? Are all of the animals which usually visit the trees (and fertilize them) still around?
I really thought /. would be above pandering to liberal environazis. Give me a break, you commie bastards!
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The difference here is that I KNOW my life sucks. I don't feel the need to share it with the world via a weblog.
Who will win?
Hey freaks: now you're ju
Thanks for the article. Now I'm going to go jam the 802.11 signal near them and they will be forced to come down! Damn tree huggers.
Thank you for expressing so clearly the essence of the environmentalist credo: Humans right have no more moral import than the "rights" of non-human animals, plants, bacteria, etc.
At that point, the conversation ends.
If humans are mostly water, and beer is mostly water, then humans must be mostly beer.
Ok Dickhead....
Please realize that many times environmental damage can have an extremely detremental impact on peoples lives in terms of health and safety.
Toxins and carcinogens are not just affecting animals once they are in our air and water but people as well.
Environmental Activism is where profits are no longer put first but the wellbeing of our families and our earth.
If you want to see how environmental activists have done a great job go to www.nyenvirolaw.org and get an education on what does an environmental activist do. Activist means being active and not just sitting around and doing nothing.
Maladies such as asthma, lead poisoning, pesticide exposure, etc. which are caused by environmental damage are harming people. These are facts based on science. Slashdot should be as pro-environment as possible because they are supposed to be scientifically aware....
You summed it up beautifully. "Eco-tools Unplugged"
here is a good site for info like this.
take an ecology class.
the ecosystem does not soley exist on just any old trees. it depends on these ancient trees and their natural process of decay and slow regrowth. if you cut down all the large trees, this cycle will be broken and the ecosystem will degrade.
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"don't smoke, don't drink, don't fuck
at least i can fucking think"
Minor Threat
I'm a geek and do programming for a living. I also support this project and the tree sitters. What disgusts me are the right wing anti-hippy posts on this thread. I'm not some tree-hugging hippy, but would love to take that Stihl chainsaw to some of your suburban, cubicle-dwelling libertarian heads.
You guys are a waste of flesh.
Logging Protest Logs You
not about some fundamentalist eco-purism.
Maxxam's desperate cutting to pay off it's junk bond funded buyout of Palco (a tactic made illegal shortly afterwards) has resulted in many folks who live downstream from the timber lands losing their homes to floods and landslides.
And the silting and warming (due to removal of the sheltering canopy of the big trees) of the rivers that flow through Palco's land has greatly impacted the the local salmon fishery, which used to employ thousands (alot more than the increasingly mechanized timber industry).
IOW, this is about protecting the common resources of the area from a rapacious multinat, not about extreme environmental purism.
So they're sitting in a tree, right? And the loggers cut down all the trees around the ones that they're sitting in, and in the end, their actions have basically no effect in terms of saving trees.
It's raising awareness, you say? The only thing it does is give the impression that environmentalists are a bunch of crazy tree-hugging hippies. And in the end, that only serves to hurt those of us who are actually doing useful work in helping the environment by giving the public the impression that we're all insane.
Is there something wrong with smoking pot?
Semi-on topic, but flat out avoiding logging and squashing every flame that comes along is not necessarily in the best interest of the environment.
Protected the trees from fire and logging changes the environment. For example, some pine trees take a brute force approach of many many many seedlings that are individually weak and the expectation is that a fire will wipe most out, but the few that remain will be fine..... Others, take a long time to develop a few saplings while fireproofing. Without fires, these slow and steady species get starved out. I don't know too much about this stuff (my wife is the Bio/Botany/Genetics person), but moderating logging can serve as a good, efficient replacement for raging wildfires (which interfere too much with our lives to tolerate beyond small, controlled, often wasteful controlled burns).
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
and the previous Sherrif & DA who supported a more active (aka brutal) campaign against protest(including dabbing pepper spray in the eyes of bound protestors) lost the last election in a landslide.
Since Maxxam bought Palco with junk bonds and instituted hyper aggressive logging practices to pay them off, which practices led to the flooding of dozens of homes, and a sharpt decline in the salmon industry (which used to employ thousands), the local folks have gotten pretty fed up.
Palco used to rely on thousands of employees of it's own to vote the company line on local issues, but Maxxam's liqudation of the Palco pensions and automation of it's tree farms have resulted in very few people actually relying on the timber industry any more, with a consequent decline in local political support.
In short, the cops will come when they aren't busy with murders, rapes, and robberies, and they will definitely come if the loggers kill anyone again, but they aren't going to climb any trees or set up trail blocks to protect the "private" property of a multinat that has severely impacted the property and businesses of it's downstream neighbors.
Not necessarily, at least. The technology in this particular instance is helping political activists pursue their agenda more than it is actually helping the environment.
"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog!" - a dog
This may all be true, and wanting to save resources are a fantastic idea, just as battling Big Brothers' love of industry (read: money) over nature...
BUT- It seems to me that, if more of these wack-jobs would get themselves into some science classes and study up on ways to create renewable fuels or, better efficiency from solar products, this whole problem would go away.
I guess it's just allot more fun to be a pain in the worlds' rear and play rock-stars in Trees than it is to get educated and make a REAL difference.
Hippies- We really need the tornadoe-on-a-can to toss these people into... they require SO MUCH attention. Oddly, the person who builds the first 90% efficient electric motor or somthing similar will probably win the Nobel, which just happens to come with a lot of attention.
> Humans rights have no more moral import than the "rights" of non-human animals, plants, bacteria, etc.
They will be: an Orange tree, Japanese Maple, Flowering Plum and a tree to be named at a later date (Magnolia, probably).
The Magnolia (probably) will be available for a tree sitter around 2005. It will be fully wired for gigabit Ethernet. I'll begin accepting applications next summer.
I figure it will be a conversation piece and help me score with pagan babes. Akter I hose them down, of course.
--- Ban humanity.
Anyone out there who agrees with me on this who has a website, link to her so that she gets more publicity! Tree-sitting in itself doesn't do much good, it's the publicity for the cause that counts.
My site: Free Nature Pictures
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> Humans rights have no more moral import than the "rights" of non-human animals, plants, bacteria, etc Actually Human Rights have LESS moral import. There are billions more of us and we're showing no signs slowed growth. We are far from endangered, we breed like flies, and we DEPEND on all that so called non-human stuff to survive. The idea of conquering nature is a self defeating one.
See previous post: Ents
-FF
SQUEAK, the Death of Rats explained.
That would actually be a great way to kill two birds with one stone...hypothetically speaking of course :)
This space for rent.
haha
I've actually tried this, to some extent, and let me tell you, it's not easy! You can't expect that of people, you're right, it's absurd. On the other hand, if you're serious about protecting the environment, that's the direction in which we have to move. Problem is, it's a really hard way to live, especially if you're alone. It can only be done with lots of support from other people, and this takes time and energy, and, yes, money to put together.
All of us who have grown up in the system need some decompression time before we're ready to "go back to nature." I think we should all applaud the efforts of anyone who is even vaguely moving in the right direction, instead of criticizing them for not going far enough. Give it time!
My site: Free Nature Pictures
to those calling the activists "hypocrites." most the arguments i've read so far seem to be based on assumptions that activist exquals "no compromise" or "no rational" or extremists. while their actions may seem extreme to you... i rarely find them to be truly extreme.
actions like these speak to issues of *Scale* and *Sustainability*... using some tools on a small scale to combat an opaque process based on exploitation with only token gestures at sustainability (the pitiful way some logging companies 're-plant' forests or target only certain groths inside some lobbied-for nebulous definition in the law they bought, etc) isn't hypocritical.
not all (maybe a few) are hard core "luddites" - they advocate rationality, democracy, information, a human connected world as well a technically connected world.
bringing interet access from a volunteer/grassroots media project to an action against a corporation/industry with a horrible "official" track record (and an even worse real one) is progress, it is rational and hardly hypocritical.
do we need oil (that goes into the computers those activists are using - the plastics, all that) and other resources? hell yes... we don't need nearly as much of it as we claim. and we don't need the processes in place now that control it. same with the so-called demand for clear cutting and the logging industry.
american 'capitalism' is hardly such - it's mercantilism. bloody, exploitive, etc. it's not a free market and it's based on fear and manufactured senses of scarcity of resources that everyone should have rights too and unsustainable practices concerning other resources that truly are scarce and will through of the balance of the ecological/biological reality we live in.
I was responding to the poster, not the original article. The post I was responding to already made the assumption that they were trying to influence others.
The fact that this isn't the case doesn't nullify my point. In fact, the fact that it isn't the case is irrelevant to the ensuing discussion.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm. veal is yummy.
i like vegetarians, that means more meat for me!
He's clueless? Well dip me in shit, all this time I thought those trees were growing.
You're honestly going to tell me that forestry companies don't replant trees?
Come on people, why aren't you all sitting in wheat fields too? I mean farmer Brown cuts his wheat crop and.....???????
Logging, like any other ag business has a cycle. Plant, tend, harvest, repeat.
The wildlife you speak of also depends upon cycles. There are points in those cycles which used to include forest fires and predators. We've decided to fight fire so in most instances logging can take the place of fire (for wildlife, plant seeding is another issue however {which is why we have more forests now and less prarie})
No pal, you're the one who's clueless. Try hooking up with your local educational facility and learn a bit about biology, ecology, business management and zoology. I don't know how to advise you on obtaining common sense.
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
Gotta admire dedication to stay up there a whole 20 minutes a day.
1) Quit school
2) Find a tree that is about to be cut down.
3) Sit in tree
4) Have people deliver me food.
5) Get a laptop and internet access, FREE!
Mod mudshark up! I never knew there were so many George Bush, corporate loving, environmental hating slashdotters. Kind of makes me sick.
First let me honestly hope that you are referring to those as professions and not people. Maybe not, most environmentalists tend to be violent people in my experience.
Now let's look at why loggers, lumber mills, and paper mills exist. Think about this for a minute. I don't know what society you are a part of but mine demands wood and paper products.
Look around you. Very carefully look around you. Are you, someone who is a part of "the new enviroment-conscious society" creating a demand for wood products?
Unless you can tell me for certain that you do not, in any way, shape, or form, use or depend upon anything wood based......well, I don't want to hear you complain about people who work DAMN HARD to satisify YOUR DEMANDS for wood products.
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
I consider this a detestable use of technology to help keep the world backwards in technology.
If this is perfectly ok, can I board up your house because you work for Microsoft?
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
a) portable gas generator
b) hydroelectric (dam) turbine
c) wood-fired steam engine
d) off-grid solar cells, except on cloudy days, then a) or b) or c).
e) love
I want to see this on WiGLE.
The issue here is integrity and honor. If you honor your cause then you will only do what is best for it, not for furthering your own political agenda and rhetoric. While it is incorrect to say that all "environmental caring" or "environmentalist" groups are psychopathic terrorists it is equally incorrect to take the approach that if you don't wear the "official" dirty and ripped jeans, the little stupid oversized Jamaican hat, and loafers along with your unkept beard and gravitation towards the newest tech toys along with the closed minded and animal behavior/irrational reaction based thinking that you must NOT be an environmentalist. What liberals don't understand is that such inconsistent and hypocritical finger pointing (through actions as well as words) does more harm than good. A caring person will avoid harming his/her cause for personal short term emotional gratification.
There are very valid points about land errosion, water polution, etc that should be focused on by using techniques to educate. This is criminal behavior and will do little except to further polarize the sheep into camps of mindless "mass acceptance." If you want logic and critical thought then focus on feeding facts and reason to people. Choose education over eradication.
Since they are going to pollute the air with RF and use more electricity to power their wireless gear, I am going to print out each "blog" or weblog entry created by these people.
These activists are sitting in trees that DON'T BELONG TO THEM. Where the hell do they get off?!?!? That's private property. Where's my gun?
MOM
Watch out for the lumberjacks
Bush should have died, not Reagan -- Morrissey
Morrissey rides a cockhorse -- The Warlock Pinchers
It's amazing how many people bring up the whole "it's their private property" line, without realizing that their loggins has demonstratably affected other peoples' private property, along with public property.
The fishing in the area has been hurt because of all the mud that's been washed into the rivers because the trees aren't there to keep it from eroding. There's also the fact that Eureka is now flooding more often because the watershed can't buffer the large storms. People's houses and businesses are being flooded. OTHER peoples' private property is being destroyed.
Or is tresspassing a much worse offense than the destruction of property?
"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."
There was a famous case in the recent past, where a logging company wanted to unload some deeded land. It seems the land was too rugged to log profitably.
The logging company found some tree climbing people to climb trees, and make a big protest.
The press went wild (probably paid to do so). The tree climbing people cried for the cameras etc.
After several years of litigation, a very rich local government bought up the land for many-many times (x50) it's worth. The government then made it illegal for mortals to visit this precious land.
The result was fantastic for all parties involved.
The logging company made many times more money by selling the land, than they would have if it were logged.
The lawyers made a huge profit.
The tree climbers got famous, and made money on the speaking tour, and selling books about crying in front of the camera.
The elected officials made good political hay too!
It seems the only losers were the tax payers who got to fund the whole deal. Now their government is many BILLIONs in the red. Their economy is in the tank. Their taxes are going to skyrocket.
Is this merely round two?
- High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
Also, trees are being cut on YOUR land. See this site for aerial photographs of national forest land throughout the Pacific Northwest..it nicely portrays the destruction: http://www.forestcouncil.org/learn/skymaps/index.p hp
The rate of logging in these lands is completely unsustainable. No, planting two trees for every one logged is NOT a solution and does NOT replace the forest. All this does is make the public land a farm...instead of planting corn they plant trees. And the diversity of the original forest is lost.
I would suggest to everyone to please go and see the trees in question before forming an opinion. I am willing to bet you will not think the same way after seeing them.
PMP
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putting some seeds, or young trees in the ground will not stop the erosion of the soil, and trees are not the only part of a forest's ecosystem, all the other plants are gone.
the soil can not just be replaced.
not only trees live in a forest, all the animals that depend on trees cant survive until the trees grow mature, but this does not happen.
most of the time the trees that were replanted are cut down again before they reach maturity. and the forest has to be replanted yet again.
the original trees in a forest have evolved to grow there better than other trees, cutting all the original trees down and bringing in new trees makes a difference.
most replanted trees are of one species, no bio diversity. usually the species that grows fastest, so the logging corporations and come and cut them down as soon as possible. (the size of a tree is not the same thing as the maturity)
certain animals need certain trees, having a forest with almost all one type of tree is going to screw up the ecosystem. everything depends on everything.
most replanted trees are arranged in perfectly straight lines, like crops on a farm. easier to cut them this way, and again, a real forest is not a farm.
life is more important than property.
life of people and life of others. animals feel pain just like humans, cutting down forests kills animals.
having clean air to stop lung cancer is more important than most of the junk people consume.
-smitty
All of the above
I read ages ago (probably on slashdot) about some other guy sitting up a tree tapping out weblogs on his laptop.
hemp = headache
It must be that smug superiority of geeks, sustained and amplified through years of telling each other we're all so goddamn smart that we actually believe the hype. Gosh, if you can hack the Linux kernel, or if you can build a complete content management system for a company Web site, or if you can get paid a buttload of money at a computer job right out of high school, why then, you must know everything there is to know about the world, right?
That's the only explaination I can find for the concentration of knee-jerk anti-enviro hounds around here. Okay, if all y'all think yer so goddamn smart, a challenge:
It's easy to pick at an argument or position, to find inconsistencies or to attack parts of it. It's a hell of a lot harder to posit a position or argument yourself. The challenge, then, is to explain and support the idea that all of the changes made to the natural environment by humankind are a-okay and nothing to worry about. Oh yes, and no references whatsoever to the defects in the arguments of environmentalists, or any technology-will-fix-it-all-someday hand waving. Bonus points if you're actually aware of all or most (or even a lot) of the changes made to the natural enviroment by humankind.
Anybody up to the challenge?
I totally agree with you. I hear it all the time about vegetarians too. The first thing people say is, "BUT DO YOU WEAR LEATHER SHOES?" as if, HA they have CAUGHT you! really, every action we chose has an impact, and it's the cummulative impact that matters, not the inconsistencies that people use to try to discredit the ideology.
Save the whales, fuck the humans! Complain amd whine about everything, and offer no possible solutions. Then write it all down on a clip-board and post it on your blog so the world knows how much of a weeny you are. Goddamn, at least help some worth-while causes like landmines or starving folks in N. Korea.
/. Slow news day, eh?
If it somehow involves the exchange of energy in the form of electricity, someone just has to post it on
The biggest trick the devil pulled was letting lawyers become politicians so they can write the laws.
I grew up in Humboldt and Mendocino counties. In a little town called Covelo, and on my grandfather's ranch, 2 miles south of the Humboldt/Mendocino county line. I fully expect to see my post modded down because it is NOT what people want to here. Before you label me a troll, realize this. I have been on slashdot.org for 2 years, and post rather infrequently. This is TRUE and is not trolling.
There are four groups in most of the small towns in that area: the potgrowers, the ranchers, the loggers, and impoverished native americans. The lines between the groups blur, but one thing to keep in mind, is the "full-time" environmental activists up there are often from the pot grower category.
The environmental sentiments of the potgrowers is not leaving nature alone, but leaving their crops alone. There are a some true hearted environmentalists up there, but if you watch you will notice a pattern to them. They will be real active November-February, not hear much from them March-May, and then active June-September. This is because the plant in the spring and harvest in October.
Further the protesters that travel up there do not know their rears from holes in the ground. For example in 1993, approx 25 people traveled up to the Mendocino National Forest to protest logging. They ended up chaining themselves to trees on the Campbell Ranch that were not scheduled to be logged, and rustling and killing 3 calves from the Campbell's herd. Eventually they left the ranch, well, were run off by the sheriff's deputies, and they filed lawsuits for police brutality which were dismissed.
In the Spring of 1990 or 1991, don't remember for sure which one. A PRIVATE airplane went down in a remote canyon in Mendocino county enroute between Eureka, and Lakeport. Its emergency beacon was originally tracked, but shut off approximately 4 hours later. The battery should last for 48-72 hours minimum. I was in the SAR Command post, when the volunteers doing the ground search were driven off by men wielding AK-47's. I was present when an air volunteers plane was shot, and the search eventually called off. I was also present when the coordinator of the search was told in November they got an anonymous tip and the plane found, under a camoflage net near a pot garden. It was not clear if the occupants had died in the crash or from their injuries shortly thereafter.
I know a friend who lost a testicle and part of his hand when he stopped to take a pee next to the roadside and triggered a pipe bomb which was planted to protect a nearby pot garden.
I also saw the same people I knew were growers, marching in protest of logging. Now, many of the loggers have lost their jobs, and moved away.
Earth first!
We'll get to the other planets later.
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Have you ever even been to Eureka ?? Your statement is total hogwash regarding the flooding. I know, I lived in a around Eureka, Loleta, Fortuna and the other parts of the county for almost 20 years and my parents are still there. Actually the locals would love to have some good flooding like we had in the early 1960s. That how the farmland around Eel River stays fertile.
I believe that trees are the answer to a lot of questions about our future. These include: How can we advance to a more sustainable economy based on renewable fuels and materials? How can we improve literacy and sanitation in developing countries while reversing deforestation and protecting wildlife at the same time? How can we pull carbon out of the atmosphere and reduce the amount of greenhouse gases emissions, carbon dioxide in particular? How can we increase the amount of land that will support a greater diversity of species? How can we help prevent soil erosion and provide clean air and water? How can we make this world more beautiful and green? The answer is, by growing more trees and then using more wood, both as a substitute for non-renewable fossil fuels and materials such as steel, concrete and plastic, and as paper products for printing, packaging and sanitation.
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http://www.greenspirit.com/trees_answer/
When a clearcut happens the ecology is disrupted and many bushes grow up. This creates a thick underbrush which burns hoter and faster than fires in mature forests. This problem of over growth in clearcuts is why they use spray herbicides to keep down the brush. Instead of sustainable logging where you only take some trees but leave the ecosystem intact, clearcutting strips everything down. When it grows back you then have a forest that will never on it's own return to the stable old growth ecology. Not even in 2000 years!
The power of technology is manifest in how it is applied within the social matrix.
You don't know how hard I had to resist moderating that as flamebait.
Check again, I think it is by yours truly:)
Ah its Friday, time to be a little nutty.
There are a lot more trees in North America today than there were a century ago.
Let me also point out that old growth forests offer next to nothing for large fauna. That's why there are a lot more deer and other woodland creatures in North America than there were a century ago.
Putting trustafarians up friggin trees is not the answer.
If the US had put it's power behind developing renewable energy back in during the oil embargo we would no longer be dependent on middle east oil. Which would solve a lot of todays problems.
"If Diet Coke did not exist it would have been neccessary to invent it." -- Karl Lehenbauer
Can't we add loggers, lumberjacks, and similar extractivist workers to this extinct species list?
If you look closer, those are just different populations of humans. There are many trying to exterminate the humans. One culture at a time.
You can't destroy the humans all at once. Just section off the small fringe cultures out side of the centralized conciousness. Keep taking out the small groups on the outside. The core will starve with out them.
- High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
Coincidentally, we happened to attend a recent
talk by Adelaide's WiFi hobbyists.
It turns out that - in order to legally share
access to the Internet via Wireless MAN (even
one that such hobbyists build & operate them-
selves) - the group has to pay the Australian
gov't (likely thru its ACA = counterpart to FCC)
- wait for it:
Au$ 20,000 for a Common Carrier License!!!
It's a strange world in Oz, where all kinds of
extra costs & restictions seem to have grown
- like wildfires - due to the "tradition" of
a gov't-owned (OK, today, to 51% - ie gov't
controlled) telephone company... still taking
in over 95% of the industry's profits!
Freedom of speech in a "user pays" world...
don't hold your breath waiting for it!
Only when you do it while hugging trees. It's part of the costume.
This isn't the sig you are looking for... Carry on...
Once upon a time, when I was training to be a mathematician, a group of
us bright young students taking number theory discovered the names of the
smaller prime numbers.
2: The Odd Prime --
It's the only even prime, therefore is odd. QED.
3: The True Prime --
Lewis Carroll: "If I tell you 3 times, it's true."
31: The Arbitrary Prime --
Determined by unanimous unvote. We needed an arbitrary prime in
case the prof asked for one, and so had an election. 91 received
the most votes (well, it *looks* prime) and 3+4i the next most.
However, 31 was the only candidate to receive none at all.
41: The Female Prime --
The polynomial X**2 - X + 41 is
prime for integer values from 1 to 40.
43: The Male Prime - they form a prime pair.
Since the composite numbers are formed from primes, their qualities
are derived from those primes. So, for instance, the number 6 is "odd
but true", while the powers of 2 are all extremely odd numbers.
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