...but I'd still like some independent corroboration.
And really, it has a lot going for it. Who would have believed it? I mean, besides Dick Feynman?
[Hint: Feynman was able to get into quite a few safes during his time researching things related to The Bomb, at least in part because some people left the default factory comboinations on their safes.]
Basically, I'm complaining that there's no good, interoperative alternative to MSProject. And if you need cross-platform, it's a nuclear wasteland without a single, living organism in site.
...if it's worth $15, much less $150. A real review would be nice. Does it really handle all the things the Office products handle? How is the integration? I, personally, don't care, but my users do.
I would dearly love to have one suite that would run on Linux, Windows and Macs, *and* interchange documents with reasonably current MSO products. I can't tell if this one meets those criteria, other than not supporting Macs. Sadly, they aren't alone, there.
OOO does OK at supportoing the MSO standards, but isn't there, yet. ABIword and Gnumeric are great apps, but don't interchange docs that well (my fallback is simply to have apps on all three platforms that interchange documents).
Then there's the nightmare of scheduling software, but that's another issue.
BTW, neither the review nor the EIO site exhibited/. effect for me, and I got there pretty quickly after the story was posted.
That only works in countries that don't have many animals and criminals. 8^/
Meanwhile, I'm not too paranoid, yet. 25 cities in 5 years? I don't know wbout where you live, but the places I've lived lately, a lot of changes take place in 5 years. SO unles every city buys a dozen of these and runs them round the clock, I don't think they'll be that big a deal.
Clearly, you don't use your computer that seriously. I have thousands of files, with many GB of data, accumulated over years, at home. At work, there is a ton of stuff to manage. And guess what? I sometimes have to find something in someone else's files, or they in mine, because the owner is busy. We don't all think alike, after all.
Let's see... then there's project data collections where lots of people are putting things. Employees leave. Some folks just aren't organized. Some people get sent lots of stuff they have to save but not read right then, but which eventually becomes important.
There are lots of reasons that make this a good idea. Yeah, I have homegrown solutions on Linux, but a good, fast tool on any platform is a good idea. We all use Linux at home, but there's no way my wife is going to use grep, find, etc. She hates computers. If she can click on a button, type a word or phrase and get a list, just like any web-based search engine, she'll use that. And I know quite a few folks like that - on every platform with more than a few thousand users.
You remind me of a bigoted twit with no sense of humor.
I'd have said the exact same thing whether it was the Chinese, Russians, USAians, or Texans.
I was poking fun at the whole idea of a space station being cheaper than a manned moon mission. Or perhaps you would prefer the phrase, "peopled moon mission"?
CNN is reporting that China has scrapped its plans for a space station, due to cost. The Chinese government is committed, however, to launching at least three new biplanes this week.
Since my favorite pet is anything that's well done, that works fo rme!
Frankly, you can have all the stupid deer that keep eating our plants are running into our car, and the stray dogs and cats in the area, and train them for this purpose, too.
If you can get the birds that keep nesting in the eaves, so much the better.
a generator I could run off my septic tank to power my house. But my whole family doesn't produce as much poop as one cow. Although when we have TexMex, we rival cows in overall methane production. But who wants to carry a mini-generator attached to their butt?
The good: A lightweight, stealth ship. I'd love to have one. I have no need for one, but it would be cool. (I'd rather have a lightweight, stealth car, esp. if it came with a retractable 57mm cannon!) Do we have any idea how well CF will really hold up in this case, though? Both in long term maneuvers and under attack by enemy aircraft? What about barnacles? OK, the good we don't know for sure.
The bad: Let's see, didn't the US Navy already experience a problem with an NT4-based ship being dead in the water? And a dead ship can't maneuver. If there are other ships around, that's not a good time to be invisible. (Captain of aircraft carrier: "What was that crunchy sound?")
The ugly (editing): "And if it is detected, the Visby should be quick enough to escape as it is only half as light as a conventional corvette." Presumably they meant half as heavy!
But when will he get into the really *meaty* subjects? I mean, it's pretty clear to me that open source software is responsible for *all* the US troubles, not just the IT troubles. Open source software put us in Iraq, caused prisoner abuse, got that guy beheaded, is responsible for global warming, causes higher oil prices, starves people, pollutes, and has Kobe Bryant in court. It put Saddam Hussein in power *and* tore his statue down. It causes tooth decay. It raped my trash can and turned over my dog. It must be stopped!
I guess they mean "legitimate" technical discussions, such as discussing the finer points of Outlook Express usage or who has the biggest registry. The other type aren't legit. I mean, it's just a bunch of open source losers doing useless garbage like developing the GIMP, which is clearly evil because it will put photoshop out of business, doesn't help SCO collect royalties, doesn't make a penny for MS, *and* it uses the GPL, which as we all know is unconstitutional. We certainly wouldn't want to condone *that*.
First to market means nothing with MS around. They've eaten plenty of other apps.
While Apache was originally "a patchy" version of NCSA's httpd, they still did things right, or they wouldn't have taken off in the environment at the time; NCSA or another offshoot would have stayed dominant. The Apache folks did the right things, and not *just* with the software (although they certainly did a fine job there!)
Even with IIS's problems, until recently, IIS were was gaining market share and threatening to take the lead. Apache's dominance was in doubt. The growing acceptance of Open Source has been critical in Apache taking off again, as well as the security issues with IIS.
Finally, you said: ``Better product yes. Is that the reason for market dominance? yes, but only becuase it always has been.''
Better product means *nothing* in the marketplace. Sales and marketing, cubic dollars, FUD, perceived safety, and a variety of other factors make the difference. (Speaking as both a geek and a consumer, that sucks, but it's reality.) Otherwise, the original DOS-based PC would have never made it; there were much better alternatives to both DOS and the hardware platform. But IBM understood all the issues above (and more), and things took off. MS rode IBM's coat tails in that case; Bill Gates (or someone at MS) understood marketing and business, and a clearly inferior product won the day.
Hmmm. He said they're *mostly* narcissistic, and you get all "pissed off" and defensive. Who's got the problem here?
I'd say the poster you responded to was somewhat right. A lot of it *is* just narcism. But it's more complex than that. There are the early adopters who just *have* to use it, the folks who think it makes them cool, the keep up with the Jones types, and others. For most people, a plain, old journal would do as well, if not better.
OTOH, this sort of thing can be useful. In some cases they're much more useful to those who know us, in which case a mailing list or restricted "Live Journal" type setup is better. For the rest, I agree that we're still figuring this out. That applies to most interactive spots on the web./. is better than many, and I think much of that is due to the moderation and metamoderation. Harmony Central could definitely use that.
Finally, you write as if it's inevitable than everyone who blogs will find their writing skills improving. That hasn't worked with any other Internet technology, from email to usenet to chats to web pages to IM; why should blogs be different?
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So, does this mean that when my flying car and jetpack *finally* arrive, they'll be free, too?
Can I get a free Cray today?
How about a free car? How much will the subscription service for its software be, I wonder? Or does firmware not count?
Free software *and* free hardware! Yow!
Comrades, paradise on earth is almost here, da!
They need to bring back the stocks for people like this...
...but I'd still like some independent corroboration.
And really, it has a lot going for it. Who would have believed it? I mean, besides Dick Feynman?
[Hint: Feynman was able to get into quite a few safes during his time researching things related to The Bomb, at least in part because some people left the default factory comboinations on their safes.]
Basically, I'm complaining that there's no good, interoperative alternative to MSProject. And if you need cross-platform, it's a nuclear wasteland without a single, living organism in site.
...if it's worth $15, much less $150. A real review would be nice. Does it really handle all the things the Office products handle? How is the integration? I, personally, don't care, but my users do.
/. effect for me, and I got there pretty quickly after the story was posted.
I would dearly love to have one suite that would run on Linux, Windows and Macs, *and* interchange documents with reasonably current MSO products. I can't tell if this one meets those criteria, other than not supporting Macs. Sadly, they aren't alone, there.
OOO does OK at supportoing the MSO standards, but isn't there, yet. ABIword and Gnumeric are great apps, but don't interchange docs that well (my fallback is simply to have apps on all three platforms that interchange documents).
Then there's the nightmare of scheduling software, but that's another issue.
BTW, neither the review nor the EIO site exhibited
That only works in countries that don't have many animals and criminals. 8^/
Meanwhile, I'm not too paranoid, yet. 25 cities in 5 years? I don't know wbout where you live, but the places I've lived lately, a lot of changes take place in 5 years. SO unles every city buys a dozen of these and runs them round the clock, I don't think they'll be that big a deal.
New facades!
Rotating blind signs for houses!
Huge dot-matrix walls that hook up to your computer, with libraries of building sides to display.
Blinding arrays of floodlights.
Gangs of kids with paint-filled balloons, paid for pasting these vans.
This could be *great* for the economy.
Clearly, you don't use your computer that seriously. I have thousands of files, with many GB of data, accumulated over years, at home. At work, there is a ton of stuff to manage. And guess what? I sometimes have to find something in someone else's files, or they in mine, because the owner is busy. We don't all think alike, after all.
Let's see... then there's project data collections where lots of people are putting things. Employees leave. Some folks just aren't organized. Some people get sent lots of stuff they have to save but not read right then, but which eventually becomes important.
There are lots of reasons that make this a good idea. Yeah, I have homegrown solutions on Linux, but a good, fast tool on any platform is a good idea. We all use Linux at home, but there's no way my wife is going to use grep, find, etc. She hates computers. If she can click on a button, type a word or phrase and get a list, just like any web-based search engine, she'll use that. And I know quite a few folks like that - on every platform with more than a few thousand users.
If they could do that, their stock would be worth a fortune. They'd be able to buy Microsoft, IBM, the USA and Iraq.
You remind me of a bigoted twit with no sense of humor.
I'd have said the exact same thing whether it was the Chinese, Russians, USAians, or Texans.
I was poking fun at the whole idea of a space station being cheaper than a manned moon mission. Or perhaps you would prefer the phrase, "peopled moon mission"?
CNN is reporting that China has scrapped its plans for a space station, due to cost. The Chinese government is committed, however, to launching at least three new biplanes this week.
Since my favorite pet is anything that's well done, that works fo rme!
Frankly, you can have all the stupid deer that keep eating our plants are running into our car, and the stray dogs and cats in the area, and train them for this purpose, too.
If you can get the birds that keep nesting in the eaves, so much the better.
Too many non-native rocks are bad for the environment, you fool!
Besides, aren't rocks people, too?
a generator I could run off my septic tank to power my house. But my whole family doesn't produce as much poop as one cow. Although when we have TexMex, we rival cows in overall methane production. But who wants to carry a mini-generator attached to their butt?
The good: A lightweight, stealth ship. I'd love to have one. I have no need for one, but it would be cool. (I'd rather have a lightweight, stealth car, esp. if it came with a retractable 57mm cannon!) Do we have any idea how well CF will really hold up in this case, though? Both in long term maneuvers and under attack by enemy aircraft? What about barnacles? OK, the good we don't know for sure.
The bad: Let's see, didn't the US Navy already experience a problem with an NT4-based ship being dead in the water? And a dead ship can't maneuver. If there are other ships around, that's not a good time to be invisible. (Captain of aircraft carrier: "What was that crunchy sound?")
The ugly (editing): "And if it is detected, the Visby should be quick enough to escape as it is only half as light as a conventional corvette." Presumably they meant half as heavy!
I'm glad *someone* understands.
But when will he get into the really *meaty* subjects? I mean, it's pretty clear to me that open source software is responsible for *all* the US troubles, not just the IT troubles. Open source software put us in Iraq, caused prisoner abuse, got that guy beheaded, is responsible for global warming, causes higher oil prices, starves people, pollutes, and has Kobe Bryant in court. It put Saddam Hussein in power *and* tore his statue down. It causes tooth decay. It raped my trash can and turned over my dog. It must be stopped!
This would be really handy in case of
an invasion of aliens (the type Ripley
fought). Not so sure about predators.
I guess they mean "legitimate" technical discussions, such as discussing the finer points of Outlook Express usage or who has the biggest registry. The other type aren't legit. I mean, it's just a bunch of open source losers doing useless garbage like developing the GIMP, which is clearly evil because it will put photoshop out of business, doesn't help SCO collect royalties, doesn't make a penny for MS, *and* it uses the GPL, which as we all know is unconstitutional. We certainly wouldn't want to condone *that*.
Obviously, they're refering to usenet. I mean, I haven't seen a fatal shooting there in quite some time.
First to market means nothing with MS around. They've eaten plenty of other apps.
While Apache was originally "a patchy" version of NCSA's httpd, they still did things right, or they wouldn't have taken off in the environment at the time; NCSA or another offshoot would have stayed dominant. The Apache folks did the right things, and not *just* with the software (although they certainly did a fine job there!)
Even with IIS's problems, until recently, IIS were was gaining market share and threatening to take the lead. Apache's dominance was in doubt. The growing acceptance of Open Source has been critical in Apache taking off again, as well as the security issues with IIS.
Finally, you said: ``Better product yes. Is that the reason for market dominance? yes, but only becuase it always has been.''
Better product means *nothing* in the marketplace. Sales and marketing, cubic dollars, FUD, perceived safety, and a variety of other factors make the difference. (Speaking as both a geek and a consumer, that sucks, but it's reality.) Otherwise, the original DOS-based PC would have never made it; there were much better alternatives to both DOS and the hardware platform. But IBM understood all the issues above (and more), and things took off. MS rode IBM's coat tails in that case; Bill Gates (or someone at MS) understood marketing and business, and a clearly inferior product won the day.
``I suspect the claims that the GPL "violates the U.S. Constitution" will get recorded in some historical analysis of corporate Tourette's syndrome.''
So *that's* Darl's problem...
WHAT? WHAT DID YOU SAY????????
(Dear Slashdot, yes, I *meant* to use all those caps, it is *supposed* to be like yelling!)
I was afraid this was going to be a low budget porn site for a minute...
Hmmm. He said they're *mostly* narcissistic, and you get all "pissed off" and defensive. Who's got the problem here?
/. is better than many, and I think much of that is due to the moderation and metamoderation. Harmony Central could definitely use that.
I'd say the poster you responded to was somewhat right. A lot of it *is* just narcism. But it's more complex than that. There are the early adopters who just *have* to use it, the folks who think it makes them cool, the keep up with the Jones types, and others. For most people, a plain, old journal would do as well, if not better.
OTOH, this sort of thing can be useful. In some cases they're much more useful to those who know us, in which case a mailing list or restricted "Live Journal" type setup is better. For the rest, I agree that we're still figuring this out. That applies to most interactive spots on the web.
Finally, you write as if it's inevitable than everyone who blogs will find their writing skills improving. That hasn't worked with any other Internet technology, from email to usenet to chats to web pages to IM; why should blogs be different?
If you read the freaking article, it specificially says GTRI. You must be an IM major.
8^P