Sorry - didn't know i was speaking to the total know-it-all. I will admit that I don't know crap about C#( due to personal choice). I also chose not to use COBOL back in the day - My choice - i suppose there are many who would call me a cocky ass for that choice also. But you are the one who chose name calling etc as your argument
This is my last on this waste of time (God you even mentioned the terrible MFC arggghhh)- You do NOT turn ANSI on and off - it breaks code and is definitely duplicitous. Having a switch does NOT make a language ANSI compatible.
I have been dealing with M$ languages since M$ came into existence, and they have *always* been playing catch-up - first to Borland (back when it *was* Borland) - then to Sun.
As a person who has kept up with tech and programmed since 1965 i guess i can be a little cocky if i want.
man_of_mr_e says "Microsoft has had an ansi C++ conforming compiler (with the exceptoin of esoteric high end features that almost nobody implemented like partial templates) a long time ago."
Except that, in an important way, M$ C++ has never made an effort to be ANSI C++ compliant from the very beginning.
I used and taught C++ for many years during the '90s, and was surprised to see that in a very simple matter M$ was non-compliant. I do not use C++ now, so i don't have details, but someone who is so quick to dismiss another will have no problem finding it.
The for loop initialization variables changed scope when ANSI C++ came out(93? 94?). Borland had the fix within a month - M$ still didn't in 2007 (last time i looked).
please do me a favor. After you find the non-compliance i mentioned, ask yourself, "if i missed this did i also miss something in C#?"
Wow - This is a big story... Microsoft creates something that is not made to produce windows only code!
Problem is that C# was created by M$ as a strike back after Sun won many millions of dollars from M$ over not following Java license. This was meant to be a Java killer.
After the ignoring of ANSI C++ standards for many years in order to make C++ code written with M$ C++ proprietary, they did the same with Java. ...and you believe that M$ actually produced something cross platform?
I use a hierarchy of folders and let the file system manage everything. Built in tools (ls, locate, cp, mv etc) not to mention ownership protection. I have bits i have been saving that way since early 80's (first PC hard drives...)
Having been out of the soulless corporate workplace for a while, I feel I can speak about this rationally.
1. Developers should have offices with doors on them, or at the very least a quiet place to work.
2. Any project of any size requires meetings among developers. Use the table for that.
I am a software developer since 1966.
Back in the day i signed up for a dialup connection that was advertised loudly as "unlimited". About 2 months later i was shut down for using too much bandwidth. Of course, I called them to point out the error of their ways, but alas, it was me that was in error. Like a dolt, i had failed to fully read my contract, especially the part that redefines the word unlimited. I contacted a trusted lawyer and asked wunhhh? She informed me that it is legally ok to redefine common words, as ong as it is done in the first few pages of the doc (don't remember details). So the language doesn't necessarily mean what we think...fun huh?
I came to post about ditching verizon, and there, at the top of the page, is a google ad for Verizon. Wow, does it get any better? If you support verizon with your business, I guess you get what you deserve. Look into TracFone (not affiliated). If all you want is to have a cell phone, cant be beat. Somehow we have got to get these behemoth companys out of our computers by returning to PDAs that can be used as phones instead of phones that are also PDAs. The business model currently in play is obviously bad for consumers, so i think it must be up to consumers to change it. Verizon certainly won't!
Had you been alive in the 50s you would know that one of the hallmarks of a totalitarian state is the possession of "Papers". May i see you papers please?
When i cam home from the military a cop asked to see my ID, and when i said i had none with me, he told me i could be arrested. We argued and i won (you could do that back then).
One of the reasons I was in the army was to keep the USA from becoming Stalinist or a Nazi state.
is that enough you scared little weasle - do we have to give up ALL rights b4 you security freaks will be happy? No, you will never feel secure, even long affter they are all gone!
How about down south here in NH? Where i was told today (by the only dsl carrier i can get - TDS) "Yes - 3Mbs is the fastest available..." - meanwhile (to lazy to url)/. tells me that british telcom is offering some crazy (40Mbs?) speed for around 33USD - wtf??
Why is it that every time i see a story out of the UK these days, I think of the film "V for Vendetta"? It seems like some subset of the UK public service has been taken over by evil doers trying to create 1984 and indeed, Big Brother. Just sayin...
As a Linux person (and a techy geek) I am often asked to help my less fortunate brethren and sisteren with their broken systems. The latest was the young woman who could no longer play the music she had paid for because of an automatic update to iTunes. It only took a couple of hours of my time (not to mention hers) to get her back to the version that actually played music. Turned out to be a dependency that was not met in the form of a library.
OK! Who the hell does an update without checking dependencies?
How do we now trust Apple to do updates correctly, including this one?
btw - this is on a macbook that has had wifi problems since it was new, known to Apple but never fixed. I think Apple has lost a fan in this young woman. Having been around since the beginning, i wasn't too surprised.
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Leslie: Thanks for all the great laughs...
One more - don't be so angry - why all the name calling - we are talking about technical stuff here. Try to get a grip on reality.
Sorry - didn't know i was speaking to the total know-it-all. I will admit that I don't know crap about C#( due to personal choice). I also chose not to use COBOL back in the day - My choice - i suppose there are many who would call me a cocky ass for that choice also. But you are the one who chose name calling etc as your argument
This is my last on this waste of time (God you even mentioned the terrible MFC arggghhh)- You do NOT turn ANSI on and off - it breaks code and is definitely duplicitous. Having a switch does NOT make a language ANSI compatible.
I have been dealing with M$ languages since M$ came into existence, and they have *always* been playing catch-up - first to Borland (back when it *was* Borland) - then to Sun.
As a person who has kept up with tech and programmed since 1965 i guess i can be a little cocky if i want.
man_of_mr_e says "Microsoft has had an ansi C++ conforming compiler (with the exceptoin of esoteric high end features that almost nobody implemented like partial templates) a long time ago."
Except that, in an important way, M$ C++ has never made an effort to be ANSI C++ compliant from the very beginning.
I used and taught C++ for many years during the '90s, and was surprised to see that in a very simple matter M$ was non-compliant. I do not use C++ now, so i don't have details, but someone who is so quick to dismiss another will have no problem finding it.
The for loop initialization variables changed scope when ANSI C++ came out(93? 94?). Borland had the fix within a month - M$ still didn't in 2007 (last time i looked).
please do me a favor. After you find the non-compliance i mentioned, ask yourself, "if i missed this did i also miss something in C#?"
Guess i'll ramble off now...
"Do Only Evil"
Wow - This is a big story...
...and you believe that M$ actually produced something cross platform?
Microsoft creates something that is not made to produce windows only code!
Problem is that C# was created by M$ as a strike back after Sun won many millions of dollars from M$ over not following Java license. This was meant to be a Java killer.
After the ignoring of ANSI C++ standards for many years in order to make C++ code written with M$ C++ proprietary, they did the same with Java.
I use a hierarchy of folders and let the file system manage everything. Built in tools (ls, locate, cp, mv etc) not to mention ownership protection. I have bits i have been saving that way since early 80's (first PC hard drives...)
I must admit that i wasn't much of an apple fanboy before, but this tantrum throwing over a COMPUTER LANGUAGE is just too Steve. Barf...
Who the hell watches that crap anyway?
I am now in my 3rd year of saving $1100 per year and about 60 hours per year (or so it felt) not spent talking to customer service.
All i had to do was drop verizon and get a pay by min. phone.
Highly recommended...
Having been out of the soulless corporate workplace for a while, I feel I can speak about this rationally. 1. Developers should have offices with doors on them, or at the very least a quiet place to work. 2. Any project of any size requires meetings among developers. Use the table for that. I am a software developer since 1966.
Back in the day i signed up for a dialup connection that was advertised loudly as "unlimited". About 2 months later i was shut down for using too much bandwidth. Of course, I called them to point out the error of their ways, but alas, it was me that was in error. Like a dolt, i had failed to fully read my contract, especially the part that redefines the word unlimited. I contacted a trusted lawyer and asked wunhhh? She informed me that it is legally ok to redefine common words, as ong as it is done in the first few pages of the doc (don't remember details). So the language doesn't necessarily mean what we think...fun huh?
I came to post about ditching verizon, and there, at the top of the page, is a google ad for Verizon. Wow, does it get any better? If you support verizon with your business, I guess you get what you deserve. Look into TracFone (not affiliated). If all you want is to have a cell phone, cant be beat. Somehow we have got to get these behemoth companys out of our computers by returning to PDAs that can be used as phones instead of phones that are also PDAs. The business model currently in play is obviously bad for consumers, so i think it must be up to consumers to change it. Verizon certainly won't!
Had you been alive in the 50s you would know that one of the hallmarks of a totalitarian state is the possession of "Papers". May i see you papers please? When i cam home from the military a cop asked to see my ID, and when i said i had none with me, he told me i could be arrested. We argued and i won (you could do that back then). One of the reasons I was in the army was to keep the USA from becoming Stalinist or a Nazi state. is that enough you scared little weasle - do we have to give up ALL rights b4 you security freaks will be happy? No, you will never feel secure, even long affter they are all gone!
went paperless about 8 years ago - haven't missed it at all.
oink oink squeel...
,,,plus, i think most Linux users can handle this...
I am sure he will be joined by all the spooks that did the illegal entries in the US over the last 9 years or so...
How about down south here in NH? Where i was told today (by the only dsl carrier i can get - TDS) "Yes - 3Mbs is the fastest available..." - meanwhile (to lazy to url) /. tells me that british telcom is offering some crazy (40Mbs?) speed for around 33USD - wtf??
Why is it that every time i see a story out of the UK these days, I think of the film "V for Vendetta"? It seems like some subset of the UK public service has been taken over by evil doers trying to create 1984 and indeed, Big Brother.
Just sayin...
If it is the "right" kind of boss - you say "Take me to lunch and i will tell you how to save the company from disaster...".
If not, start looking for a new job immediately.
and sometimes you have to use the bat on the pigs...
Mac OSX - Really? ...REALLY? It is crap compared to Ubuntu...
As a Linux person (and a techy geek) I am often asked to help my less fortunate brethren and sisteren with their broken systems. The latest was the young woman who could no longer play the music she had paid for because of an automatic update to iTunes. It only took a couple of hours of my time (not to mention hers) to get her back to the version that actually played music. Turned out to be a dependency that was not met in the form of a library.
OK! Who the hell does an update without checking dependencies? How do we now trust Apple to do updates correctly, including this one?
btw - this is on a macbook that has had wifi problems since it was new, known to Apple but never fixed. I think Apple has lost a fan in this young woman. Having been around since the beginning, i wasn't too surprised.
Yes.