Oh, and one of those suction cup, glass cutting thing-a-ma-bobbers. Those are sweet. And a long rope with a 3 pronged hook on the end. Can't go wrong with that.
My wife called me this morning and say she was going to donate so I gave her the texting number to do it. She said no to the texting because she wanted to give $100. It was uncomfortable for me at first. We are far from rich, have a mortgage, 4 kids, etc. But it took me about 15 seconds and I was on board. It wasn't her convincing me because she didn't try. It was me looking inside and being ok with it. $10 would be easy for us. $100 will cause a little discomfort. I'm ashamed at myself that it took me 15 seconds to realize that our discomfort is nothing compared to what those people are going through.
I have a Blackberry Curve through Verizon. My search provider for the browser app was changed to Bing without anyway to change it (I use Opera Mini so it didn't really affect me). I also now have a Bing icon in my apps that I did not install or give permission for. I haven't tried to uninstall it yet but that may be an option.
I don't know where you're getting your info but it is not correct.
This argument I can certainly agree with. I don't mind CES doing everything they can to "protect" their show. But for a hotel to say it's ok but to then turn around and go against that is another. I would certainly expect the hotel to refund ALL of their money unless they could show me where, in the document I signed to get the room, it said I wasn't allowed to do that. I would expect them to provide that documentation even if I wasn't the guy who asked first. IANAL and I know they can do what they want with their hotel but they must have some recourse.
I never would have considered someone would spend that kind of money to be at the show without actually being "in" the show.
After this thread and reading the others for this story I feel kind of in the minority with my point of view. I've tried to look at it the other way but it's not working. I can't justify it in my mind. To me, people are there for CES. If you don't want to contribute to CES then why should you draw benefit for it. If more and more companies start doing this then CES will cease to exist. Seems self defeating.
In fact, your customers are there because of CES. Try turning in that expense report with "Trip to party with vendor in Vegas" on the line instead of "Trip to CES Trade-Show in Vegas" and see how far it gets.
Actually it's more like arguing that a tech company were getting a "free ride" if they setup a computer parts kiosk on the sidewalk in front of Fry's Electronics. They're out of pocket to draw in customers and you're siphoning them off and the only cost you have is the Kiosk. Now, if you had a hotdog cart Fry's probably wouldn't do anything about it. But if you're selling the same thing they are, they're going to call the cops and have you booted.
And, no, it's more like opening a shop on 5th street and standing in front of the shop on Main St. with a sign advertising your store on 5th St. They paid the extra $$ for the good location and you're over there trying to milk them for customers. Pretty lame in my eyes.
And, as I said in my post, in the past I've seen plenty of "satellite events" but they're always with someone who ALSO has a booth at the show. They use their hospitality suite to further engage the customer (read: liquor them up) and hopefully close a sale. CES would never publicize not permitting these, even if they didn't, because their big vendors want to do it. Keeping those people happy is probably the reason they nudged the hotel into giving the others the boot.
I can't believe what I said is so controversial. Some folks are downright mad (it's my first flamebait mod). I guess I see this differently.
If you don't have a booth at the show, how are you getting people up to your suite to look at your products? My guess is your walking around the show floor, handing out cards or fliers and inviting people up. If you're smart, you focusing on people who seem interested in your competitors products. So you're drawing people away from the vendors who paid to be in the show. Sounds like a free ride to me.
Now, if you setup in a hotel that had nothing to do with CES (wasn't hosting any part of the show) and you sent a mass email to your 40-50 customers saying, "hey, while at CES come down to the Rio, we've got a suite. We'll liquor you up, show you some of our new products and we'll party". I think that's a good idea. Like you said, good bang for the buck.
When I read it my immediate thought was that these people were down on the floor trolling for customers. Didn't sit right with me.
I read the article and that's not how I saw it but maybe that's the case. I read it as they were thrown out for having product displays. AFAIK, most hotels would kick you out for "operating a business" out of their hotel.
That being said, I'm sure the CEA folks threw their muscle around to force the hotel to do something they probably would have overlooked, even if it is against hotel rules.
I've seen this as well but I've only seen it as "hospitality suites" in which the vendor has a booth at the show and ALSO setups in their rooms. These people were trying to piggyback off of CES popularity and get a free ride.
Yeah but, you might drop them on a peanut farm. Not good. We'll have to require all peanut farms to have a giant glass bubble over them in case of in-flight ejection.
I consider myself agnostic which really annoys my wife. We got a good laugh from the show Community when they did their Christmas show. The characters were saying what religon they are one guys says he's agnostic which brought groans from the others with one saying "That's the lazy mans athiest".
Exactly what I was thinking. What good is 72 women going "Oww, oww. Wait...slow down. Are you sure your doing it right. It hurts." or "Eww, you want me to put that in my mouth" or "balls are funny looking" or "OMG, you can make it MOVE".
I get a kick out of those map ads. The "Island of forgotten toys" one cracks me up. Probably because that Rudolph special was a must see every year when I was a kid.
I don't know where you work/live but the guys with degrees around here aren't worth the paper it's printed on. Of course, maybe that's because I work in systems administration/architecture. When I started in this game they didn't have schools for it. Give me a do-it-yourselfer any day.
Actually, put the printer manufacturers address as the return address and some arbitrary address as the "To:" address. Put a penny stamp on it and send. It will get returned to sender (the printer manufacturer) for insufficient postage.;-)
A friend and I used to send messages back and forth when we were kids using this method. Except we wouldn't put any postage on, just stick it in a curbside mailbox. It worked because we were in the same city. I'm guessing if the return address is in another state they'd probably catch on but, then again, this IS the postoffice we're talking about here.
Would you mind explaining why? I'm not in disagreement but, as I said, out of my league in this one. I read over the Laws of Thermodynamics in response to your post and I can't find one that's violated. Are you saying that the heat generated would be too great? Or maybe your saying I couldn't get more electricity out than I put in, which would be true except I thought the protein, oxygen, "food crud", etc would be an additional source of energy.
Geez. That made me wince. I can imagine them combining in cheese and a sauce of some kind. Ham, swiss and mustard, Hotdog catsup and mustard. Could come out of the tube striped like Aquafresh toothpaste.
Perhaps it could be used to produce energy. I'm way out of my league here but I would imagine you could pump in proteins, oxygen and "food crud" to the meat and it's flexing motion could be used to produce electricity. Some of this electricity could be fed back to the system to provide the electrical stimulation the muscle needs. The rest goes to the grid.
There's more possibilities than just ad revenue. How much do guys like HP and Dell make when they stick someones trial app on new computers they sell? If Google were giving away netbooks, how much would it be worth to companies to have an link to their website included in the default install? How about having something in the licensing agreement that gives them rights to your spare CPU cycles? That could be a good revenue stream or they could use it to offset their own datacenter costs.
Given how many times I've had buyer's remorse over a shitty title
There's a Gamefly commercial that shows a bunch of people going nuts because the game they just bought sucks. It still cracks me up even though I've seen it dozens of times. Probably because I feel their pain.
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Oh, and one of those suction cup, glass cutting thing-a-ma-bobbers. Those are sweet. And a long rope with a 3 pronged hook on the end. Can't go wrong with that.
My wife called me this morning and say she was going to donate so I gave her the texting number to do it. She said no to the texting because she wanted to give $100. It was uncomfortable for me at first. We are far from rich, have a mortgage, 4 kids, etc. But it took me about 15 seconds and I was on board. It wasn't her convincing me because she didn't try. It was me looking inside and being ok with it. $10 would be easy for us. $100 will cause a little discomfort. I'm ashamed at myself that it took me 15 seconds to realize that our discomfort is nothing compared to what those people are going through.
I have a Blackberry Curve through Verizon. My search provider for the browser app was changed to Bing without anyway to change it (I use Opera Mini so it didn't really affect me). I also now have a Bing icon in my apps that I did not install or give permission for. I haven't tried to uninstall it yet but that may be an option.
I don't know where you're getting your info but it is not correct.
This argument I can certainly agree with. I don't mind CES doing everything they can to "protect" their show. But for a hotel to say it's ok but to then turn around and go against that is another. I would certainly expect the hotel to refund ALL of their money unless they could show me where, in the document I signed to get the room, it said I wasn't allowed to do that. I would expect them to provide that documentation even if I wasn't the guy who asked first. IANAL and I know they can do what they want with their hotel but they must have some recourse.
I never would have considered someone would spend that kind of money to be at the show without actually being "in" the show.
After this thread and reading the others for this story I feel kind of in the minority with my point of view. I've tried to look at it the other way but it's not working. I can't justify it in my mind. To me, people are there for CES. If you don't want to contribute to CES then why should you draw benefit for it. If more and more companies start doing this then CES will cease to exist. Seems self defeating.
In fact, your customers are there because of CES. Try turning in that expense report with "Trip to party with vendor in Vegas" on the line instead of "Trip to CES Trade-Show in Vegas" and see how far it gets.
Actually it's more like arguing that a tech company were getting a "free ride" if they setup a computer parts kiosk on the sidewalk in front of Fry's Electronics. They're out of pocket to draw in customers and you're siphoning them off and the only cost you have is the Kiosk. Now, if you had a hotdog cart Fry's probably wouldn't do anything about it. But if you're selling the same thing they are, they're going to call the cops and have you booted.
And, no, it's more like opening a shop on 5th street and standing in front of the shop on Main St. with a sign advertising your store on 5th St. They paid the extra $$ for the good location and you're over there trying to milk them for customers. Pretty lame in my eyes.
And, as I said in my post, in the past I've seen plenty of "satellite events" but they're always with someone who ALSO has a booth at the show. They use their hospitality suite to further engage the customer (read: liquor them up) and hopefully close a sale. CES would never publicize not permitting these, even if they didn't, because their big vendors want to do it. Keeping those people happy is probably the reason they nudged the hotel into giving the others the boot.
I can't believe what I said is so controversial. Some folks are downright mad (it's my first flamebait mod). I guess I see this differently.
If you don't have a booth at the show, how are you getting people up to your suite to look at your products? My guess is your walking around the show floor, handing out cards or fliers and inviting people up. If you're smart, you focusing on people who seem interested in your competitors products. So you're drawing people away from the vendors who paid to be in the show. Sounds like a free ride to me.
Now, if you setup in a hotel that had nothing to do with CES (wasn't hosting any part of the show) and you sent a mass email to your 40-50 customers saying, "hey, while at CES come down to the Rio, we've got a suite. We'll liquor you up, show you some of our new products and we'll party". I think that's a good idea. Like you said, good bang for the buck.
When I read it my immediate thought was that these people were down on the floor trolling for customers. Didn't sit right with me.
I read the article and that's not how I saw it but maybe that's the case. I read it as they were thrown out for having product displays. AFAIK, most hotels would kick you out for "operating a business" out of their hotel.
That being said, I'm sure the CEA folks threw their muscle around to force the hotel to do something they probably would have overlooked, even if it is against hotel rules.
I've seen this as well but I've only seen it as "hospitality suites" in which the vendor has a booth at the show and ALSO setups in their rooms. These people were trying to piggyback off of CES popularity and get a free ride.
Yeah but, you might drop them on a peanut farm. Not good. We'll have to require all peanut farms to have a giant glass bubble over them in case of in-flight ejection.
Yeah, but what if they were serving cat shit coffee??
"Kopi Luwak was the most expensive coffee in the world, selling for between $100 and $600 USD per pound"
http://www.dailynugget.com/2006/06/shit-coffee/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak
We build them for "Chunkin Punkins".
Fixed that for you.
Please hand in your punkin chunkin card now.
I consider myself agnostic which really annoys my wife. We got a good laugh from the show Community when they did their Christmas show. The characters were saying what religon they are one guys says he's agnostic which brought groans from the others with one saying "That's the lazy mans athiest".
Exactly what I was thinking. What good is 72 women going "Oww, oww. Wait...slow down. Are you sure your doing it right. It hurts." or "Eww, you want me to put that in my mouth" or "balls are funny looking" or "OMG, you can make it MOVE".
Funny
I get a kick out of those map ads. The "Island of forgotten toys" one cracks me up. Probably because that Rudolph special was a must see every year when I was a kid.
I don't know where you work/live but the guys with degrees around here aren't worth the paper it's printed on. Of course, maybe that's because I work in systems administration/architecture. When I started in this game they didn't have schools for it. Give me a do-it-yourselfer any day.
many Twitter and Facebook users seem to be rallying to its cry. It is unclear if there will be enough support to cause a DDOS
Gives new meaning to the "utilize a network of zombies for a DDOS attack" thing I'm always hearing about ;)
Actually, put the printer manufacturers address as the return address and some arbitrary address as the "To:" address. Put a penny stamp on it and send. It will get returned to sender (the printer manufacturer) for insufficient postage. ;-)
A friend and I used to send messages back and forth when we were kids using this method. Except we wouldn't put any postage on, just stick it in a curbside mailbox. It worked because we were in the same city. I'm guessing if the return address is in another state they'd probably catch on but, then again, this IS the postoffice we're talking about here.
Would you mind explaining why? I'm not in disagreement but, as I said, out of my league in this one. I read over the Laws of Thermodynamics in response to your post and I can't find one that's violated. Are you saying that the heat generated would be too great? Or maybe your saying I couldn't get more electricity out than I put in, which would be true except I thought the protein, oxygen, "food crud", etc would be an additional source of energy.
Geez. That made me wince. I can imagine them combining in cheese and a sauce of some kind. Ham, swiss and mustard, Hotdog catsup and mustard. Could come out of the tube striped like Aquafresh toothpaste.
Perhaps it could be used to produce energy. I'm way out of my league here but I would imagine you could pump in proteins, oxygen and "food crud" to the meat and it's flexing motion could be used to produce electricity. Some of this electricity could be fed back to the system to provide the electrical stimulation the muscle needs. The rest goes to the grid.
There's more possibilities than just ad revenue. How much do guys like HP and Dell make when they stick someones trial app on new computers they sell? If Google were giving away netbooks, how much would it be worth to companies to have an link to their website included in the default install? How about having something in the licensing agreement that gives them rights to your spare CPU cycles? That could be a good revenue stream or they could use it to offset their own datacenter costs.
Not true. You spent a significant amount of money developing the other 399 that didn't get approved.
Maybe he's praising you because it's half "full". Don't be such a pessimist!
Given how many times I've had buyer's remorse over a shitty title
There's a Gamefly commercial that shows a bunch of people going nuts because the game they just bought sucks. It still cracks me up even though I've seen it dozens of times. Probably because I feel their pain.