The trolls feed off of gullible reactionaries such as yourself.
Please, next time why don't you try reviewing the user info, previous comments, or journal entries or users making such ludicrous statements as the one you just replied to before actually believing it, replying to it in kind, and looking like an ass.
What, would you have preferred "that now will be governed by a less blessed and pure license"?
The statement was wholly appropriate, and this is coming from someone who happens to like the GPL in most cases.
I mean, some zealotry is expected from time to time, but this frothing at the mouth over a statement that was logically sound and not at all inaccurate just lends people to think all people who are pro-GPL are a bunch of dogmatic cultists. And what the hell is up with the second statement? It boggles the mind to even try and guess what the hell you found wrong with that.
Thanks a bunch. I'll remember you the next time I mention Linux to someone and they look at me like I'm a scientologist.
... but does anyone see anything about $5, or even any lowered prices at all? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the poster is getting at, but all I see is $60/year for RHN, and $240/year for the new Workgroup service. Sure, there are improvements, but I don't see anything making this better for the home user...
The bugs in individual packages are fixed in testing - dependancy related bugs are not. In testing you can essentially find yourself locked out of a particular package because its corresponding dependant packages don't get moved into testing at the same time making key packages uninstallable.
Any time you supress any form of speech, you legitimize it. Most loonies (like those easily seduced by hate-speech) will latch on to the notion that if the government is trying to silence a particular group, then that group must be "on to something".
The great thing about free speech is that there are so many idiots and lunatics exercising it that it forces you to become jaded to people usually spouting off such tripe anyway. All the stupid people who latch on to some fascist notion happily bray it out to the world and do us all a favor by disreputing everyone who espouses that idea, so by the time some charismatic sort comes along that might've fooled the world and tries to sway everyone they are simply looked at as a slightly smarter idiot than that last kook rather than a "revolutionary bearer of new ideas".
The stable branch is too old to do anything with, even some of the testing apps are too old, and unstable lives up to it's name.
Close on the first two, the last is not altogether accurate. I've found unstable to be no less stable than any of the latest editions of Redhat or Mandrake, and it is actually more cutting edge than those two. "unstable" means "changes often", it does not necessarily mean "buggy". Think about it, what branch do Debian developers use? Unstable. Do you think any bug is going to live long when it directly affects the maintainer of a package? I think not. If anything, testing (what some people erroneously see as a "safe bet") is the most bug-prone branch of debian, simply because if something goes wrong in testing, its fix goes into unstable and then must wait 2 weeks at best before moving into testing. Stick with what the developers themselves use and you won't go wrong. Any issues that crop up are usually fixed within hours, a day or two at the most.
PS. why LSB went with RPM and not apt will aways baffle me.
I don't see why. RPM is a packaging format, apt is a tool to manage Debian packages (or RPM packages, whatever floats your boat). dpkg would be a more worthy comparison (or even just.deb). I would say the LSB chose RPM simply because, aside from Slackware and Debian (AFAIK), everyone else uses it. Standards are about compatibility more than "superior technology".
I know, I know, we don't have a democracy in the way Plato was thinking[...]
You also aren't talking about Tyranny in the way Plato was thinking. In ancient Greece, Tyrannies were often welcome, as they usually came after a long period of corruption or infighting within the senate. A charismatic and popular individual would seize power, calm everything down, and basically made people happy. When there is only one person in charge, they usually try their damnedest to keep people happy. I think Voltaire said that the best form of government is an enlightened tyranny, tempered by the occasional assassination. ; )
People keep forgetting tha that when Nimda first appeared, there was no patch for it.
So how do you prevent that one?
Both platforms have numerours security issues, but I have noticed with a Windows platform the occurence of widespread eploitation before a patch is available occurs much more often than it does on any open source platform, simply because you don't have to wait for official acknowledgement of the problem before someone produces a fix.
Always take an extreme example to warp the views of who you are trying to disprove. This seems to be the nature of most "There should be a law..." type people (not saying you're one of them). My point is that laws should only be pursued when all other avenues of dealing with an issue have been pursued. I'm talking about knee-jerk "there should be a law!" statements just because the speaker doesn't agree with someone's course of action. Laws should be in place to keep us from killing each other, they should not be in place merely to advance one particular group's world-view.
You know, if I have to "lose" a couple of "rights" here and there for the next week, month, or heck even year to prevent another huge terrorist attack--that's okay. Maybe I'll care more about my rights later.
Once they're gone, they're a little tough to get back. This "war", if you can even call it that, will never be over. You can't "defeat" terrorism, like you defeat a world government -- it will always exist. People keep citing WWII as a time when we lost rights and got them back. Real wars have a definite beginning and end. At this point our "war" is as ephemeral as the "War on Drugs". Don't expect this new "war" to be any shorter or more successful than the latter.
You are missing my point. I'm not trying to flame/troll. You're the one posting anonymously.
"[That] is pretty weak" and "People are too lazy to learn anything these days" aren't flames just because they may ring a little close to home for some people - it is true. It is true for the same reason I see people with Computer Science degrees or call themselves "IT Professionals" that don't know how to program or complain that "C++ is too hard" and that their favorite "programming language" is HTML(?!?). I don't feel the need to be "diplomatic" towards those who devalue my education and profession. If more "IT Professionals" stopped whining and started learning, we probably wouldn't have the usability problems that do exist for everyone else. "Everyone else" should not feel singled out by my comments because "everyone else" does not even begin to apply.
If I was talking about your nephew and cousin I wouldn't have used the term IT Professional. I'm talking about people who read/write in technical forums/news sites. Anyone who reads such is more often than not - is in some computer related field.
The world is not so large when you're talking about online technical "news" sites.
Slashdot Mirror
I want you to think about this very hard.
This is slashdot.
On slashdot there are trolls.
The trolls feed off of gullible reactionaries such as yourself.
Please, next time why don't you try reviewing the user info, previous comments, or journal entries or users making such ludicrous statements as the one you just replied to before actually believing it, replying to it in kind, and looking like an ass.
Why the hell does code have to be GPL to be ported to Linux? You've been listening to Ballmer and Gates a little too much.
Heh, be a sysadmin. No coding, and skills like that are often sorely needed in the field.
The damn thing was already /.ed before the first comment was posted...
What, would you have preferred "that now will be governed by a less blessed and pure license"?
The statement was wholly appropriate, and this is coming from someone who happens to like the GPL in most cases.
I mean, some zealotry is expected from time to time, but this frothing at the mouth over a statement that was logically sound and not at all inaccurate just lends people to think all people who are pro-GPL are a bunch of dogmatic cultists. And what the hell is up with the second statement? It boggles the mind to even try and guess what the hell you found wrong with that.
Thanks a bunch. I'll remember you the next time I mention Linux to someone and they look at me like I'm a scientologist.
damn. I suppose me being ready to go to sleep at 6am, rather than getting up, is a bad time to make any statements.
:)
Oh well, foot, mouth, etc... flame was well deserved.
... but does anyone see anything about $5, or even any lowered prices at all? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the poster is getting at, but all I see is $60/year for RHN, and $240/year for the new Workgroup service. Sure, there are improvements, but I don't see anything making this better for the home user...
Too much caffeine? Did you even read the parent post or just look at the subject and shoot off a reply?
Yeah, but if was stated more accurately, nobody could get all self-righteous about it.
The bugs in individual packages are fixed in testing - dependancy related bugs are not. In testing you can essentially find yourself locked out of a particular package because its corresponding dependant packages don't get moved into testing at the same time making key packages uninstallable.
Any time you supress any form of speech, you legitimize it. Most loonies (like those easily seduced by hate-speech) will latch on to the notion that if the government is trying to silence a particular group, then that group must be "on to something".
The great thing about free speech is that there are so many idiots and lunatics exercising it that it forces you to become jaded to people usually spouting off such tripe anyway. All the stupid people who latch on to some fascist notion happily bray it out to the world and do us all a favor by disreputing everyone who espouses that idea, so by the time some charismatic sort comes along that might've fooled the world and tries to sway everyone they are simply looked at as a slightly smarter idiot than that last kook rather than a "revolutionary bearer of new ideas".
Close on the first two, the last is not altogether accurate. I've found unstable to be no less stable than any of the latest editions of Redhat or Mandrake, and it is actually more cutting edge than those two. "unstable" means "changes often", it does not necessarily mean "buggy". Think about it, what branch do Debian developers use? Unstable. Do you think any bug is going to live long when it directly affects the maintainer of a package? I think not. If anything, testing (what some people erroneously see as a "safe bet") is the most bug-prone branch of debian, simply because if something goes wrong in testing, its fix goes into unstable and then must wait 2 weeks at best before moving into testing. Stick with what the developers themselves use and you won't go wrong. Any issues that crop up are usually fixed within hours, a day or two at the most.
I don't see why. RPM is a packaging format, apt is a tool to manage Debian packages (or RPM packages, whatever floats your boat). dpkg would be a more worthy comparison (or even just .deb). I would say the LSB chose RPM simply because, aside from Slackware and Debian (AFAIK), everyone else uses it. Standards are about compatibility more than "superior technology".
That's because he is a troll. Try reading his posting history.
So yeah... YHBT. HAND.
That statement is misleading. It uses WineLib to read the dll, you do not need to have wine installed for it to work.
Don't get your hopes up, there's talk of the same thing going on at Debian as well.
I could've sworn I saw something earlier today where it listed some 7.2 rpms that were both for i386 and Alpha though though.
Sorry, my mistake. Earlier I had thought that that 2708 was not patched at the time, but I guess I was wrong.
People keep forgetting tha that when Nimda first appeared, there was no patch for it.
So how do you prevent that one?
Both platforms have numerours security issues, but I have noticed with a Windows platform the occurence of widespread eploitation before a patch is available occurs much more often than it does on any open source platform, simply because you don't have to wait for official acknowledgement of the problem before someone produces a fix.
I believe a friend of mine said it best when he called himself an 'apatheist'. ; )
While it doesn't do dependancies like ports, the following will do what you want:
/usr/share/doc/pentium-builder/README.Debian
# apt-get install pentium-builder
# less
apt-get source whatever -b
pentium-builder is pretty handy IMHO.
Always take an extreme example to warp the views of who you are trying to disprove. This seems to be the nature of most "There should be a law..." type people (not saying you're one of them). My point is that laws should only be pursued when all other avenues of dealing with an issue have been pursued. I'm talking about knee-jerk "there should be a law!" statements just because the speaker doesn't agree with someone's course of action. Laws should be in place to keep us from killing each other, they should not be in place merely to advance one particular group's world-view.
Does anyone else notice the grim irony of someone babbling about "freedom" while simultaneously demanding more laws?
Once they're gone, they're a little tough to get back. This "war", if you can even call it that, will never be over. You can't "defeat" terrorism, like you defeat a world government -- it will always exist. People keep citing WWII as a time when we lost rights and got them back. Real wars have a definite beginning and end. At this point our "war" is as ephemeral as the "War on Drugs". Don't expect this new "war" to be any shorter or more successful than the latter.
You are missing my point. I'm not trying to flame/troll. You're the one posting anonymously.
"[That] is pretty weak" and "People are too lazy to learn anything these days" aren't flames just because they may ring a little close to home for some people - it is true. It is true for the same reason I see people with Computer Science degrees or call themselves "IT Professionals" that don't know how to program or complain that "C++ is too hard" and that their favorite "programming language" is HTML(?!?). I don't feel the need to be "diplomatic" towards those who devalue my education and profession. If more "IT Professionals" stopped whining and started learning, we probably wouldn't have the usability problems that do exist for everyone else. "Everyone else" should not feel singled out by my comments because "everyone else" does not even begin to apply.
If I was talking about your nephew and cousin I wouldn't have used the term IT Professional. I'm talking about people who read/write in technical forums/news sites. Anyone who reads such is more often than not - is in some computer related field.
The world is not so large when you're talking about online technical "news" sites.