1/3 is totally against 1/3 is partially against 1/3 does not care
Who is being served by the decision that it does not need to be labeled when 2/3 are not fully for it and the remainder does not give a damn?
If it does not cause harm and people care about, it should be labeled but it won't sell to 2/3 - so... shuff it down their throat it's a free country!
The problem with all this "artificial" stuff seems to be that our bodies are accustomed for a very long time to most stuff "naturally" occurring on this planet.
Now there is food material introduced which our bodies have not seen in that fashion - hyrdogenated oil is one of those and determined as being bad. Our bodies don't know how to deal with it.
So far, it seems to be that cloned animals are not equivalent to naturally (or artificially inseminated) grown animals. They die earlier and seem to have other problems meaning they are not 100 % identical.
Is there a long term risk - only time will show.
For a change, maybe human guinea pigs should be given the freedom of choice to participate in experimenting?
Aren't all those "humans" dreaming this up in one way or another control freaks?
What do they have in their mind about the "humans" on the receiving end?
Are we machines - button pushed here, response there? Probably that's what it is - objects to be "guided" and "lead".
If I want to see something, I also want to be the one having some kind of choice what and how to select it.
The only explanation I have is that all this information "rain" pouring down has some kind of subliminal effect and pays in $$'s - or fantasies of great amounts thereof.
SUBLIMINAL ADVERTISING IS ILLEGAL. THIS SYSTEM IS SO CORRUPT THAT NOBODY EVEN CARES!
Yeah - and Microsoft in particular, having to dream up more and more eye-candied gadgets to make a buck more.
From Bucky:
"It's as though we're flying on a happy trip somewhere in first class on a 747, having champagne and a nice dinner and watching a movie -- and having no idea that we're flying straight toward the side of a mountain."
In case you have not noticed, one aspect here is "fueling" i. e. continuously generating the rods or pellets feeding reactors.
This aspect falls through the crack in your rather blatant statement.
What is the story on Iran of running a couple of thousand gas turbines for a couple of years to generate enough fuel for one reactor - they are not using up any energy?
What is the total expense on creating and maintaining the in- and output of a reactor, who controls this information and would have interest in publicising it if it's "not so great news" for some?
Any opposition to nuclear power is implicit endorsement of coal generated power.
= a closed mind statement very similar happening in a religious believe system follower. Humans will need to become more skillful, flexible and consequent with their newly acquired brain capacities quickly in order to survive within the next couple of centuries. Too much effort goes into destructive activities initiated by dominating psychopathic leaders.
Sane, rational people do not oppose atomic energy.
Maybe smart people allow a differerent perspective:
Case a:
atomic fuel + atomic power plant = electricity
assumed to be cheap and good
versus
Case b:
raw material + lot of energey = atomic fuel + radiating waste
atomic fuel + atomic power plant = electricity + more radiating waste
What is the total effort in energy, the potential long term risk, and is it worth it or are there better alternatives? Have you seen a sane, rational discussion of this anywhere? Probably not because potential benefit of atomic power plants is diminished.
Die Forscher unter der Leitung der Mainzer Epidemiologin Maria Blettner stellten fest, dass zwischen 1980 und 2003 im Umkreis von fünf Kilometern um die Reaktoren 77 Kinder an Krebs, davon 37 an Leukämie, erkrankt waren. Im statistischen Durchschnitt seien 48 Krebs- beziehungsweise 17 Leukämiefälle zu erwarten gewesen. Etwa 20 Neuerkrankungen seien also allein auf das Wohnen in diesem Umkreis zurückzuführen.
--> in EN ->
Risk increases with proximity
Researchers under direction of epidemiologist Maria Blettner in Mainz, Germany noted that between 1980 and 2003, within a radius of five kilometers around the reactors 77 children with cancer, including 37 from leukaemia, were ill. A statistical average of 48 or 17 cancer-leukaemia cases can be expected. About 20 new cases were solely contributed to living in this vicinity.
Atomic power is not considered as "green" and people promoting the environment mostly oppose it and for good reasons.
On this topic, btw.:
A recent study over there (GE) - done by respectable research bodies and ordered either by the government or the entity overseeing the atomic energy industry - has found an increase of children leukemia out of the average the closer the kids are living to an atomic power station.
The puzzling fact is that this cannot be explained by radiation levels since those are way below any limits. That was fairly recent - 1-2 months ago and they are still chewing on that.
as for your:... is a scam to separate over-indulged yuppies
I could not disagree more - the scam is to allow big polluters a back door by buying credits and not having to clean up the mess they are putting into the athmosphere.
In Germany, the power companies are selling electricity generated by coal and atomic power stations as "green" electricity i. e. people signing up for green (derived from resuable resources - wind, sun, tides) are to be environmentally mindful get just the opposite.
They feel cheated, are mad, protest and sue.
Whole parts of cities all of a sudden are using "green" electricity, which is impossible because the resources are not there.
The power companies can do that because they buy carbon credits (or whatever that excuse to just go on as usual is called).
The corporations buy the polititians (as one can see clearly on the money spent currently greasing the US 2008 elections) and then weak laws with loopholes and missleading names (1984-style) are made.
What else is new in this world except that your privacy is screwed for greed and $$'s?
One has to develop a 6th or 7th sense in this post-1984 world.
Search for a domain and buy it right at the spot of search from the competitively priced registrar of your choice - one who has a live (US) customer rep on a phone line (this actually exists).
Your 6++th sense has to warn you right at the point of typing in a query on a ridiculously expensive registrar to NOT(!!) do this and find out why this bell rings.
Otherwise, you are peacemeat.
(No question that NS is to be avoided and what they are doing stinks - greedy bastards!)
you may not want to work in a company doing this anyway....
If you don't have a choice, there goes another piece of "freedom" sacrificed to nitpicking tigh-asses unable to get a life, instead paying to their corporate, political or religous gods and philosophies instead.
Seems to be the trend and the general fear factor goes up a notch more.
In the first place, folks are humans wanting to enjoy their lifes and that aspect seems to be getting lost more and more.
What's good about 2003 Server? Was this a free download at one point? Many people seem to use it. 180 day trial as I see it now.
With the Kerio - kerio.com goes to a different company with $ 500 enterprise products. sunbelt-software.com has the free kerio (sunbelt) firewall, versions are:
From their docs:
Q: What were the dates of the different Kerio Releases?
A: SKPF 4.3.246 - May 22, 2006 (translations for several languages are not complete but this is being resolved) SKPF 4.2.3.912 December 15, 2005 KPF 4.2 July 21, 2005 KPF 4.1 September 14, 2004 KPF 4.0 August 18, 2003
that any application you downloaded and installed calls "home" over the Internet in some way or other without common users even noticing it.
I have an old version of Kerio (very sorry that it vanished) which serves very well in putting every attempt of programs to go out on the network on display. Recent discoveries: a PDF printer driver "calls home" every time I print a document through it.
Adobe (reader) is pretty bad in checking for updates or whatever it tries to do on the Internet and M$oft of cause always accesses some port 123 when starting XP.
In essence - unless you really are behind every program, you have no privacy! And - with NTFS allowing stealth handles, who knows what is installed, not even talking about Vista.
FBI now openly talking about a kitchensink database on everyone with everything, I think the game is lost....
should take care of unemployment though - two people necessary to track every "normal" citizen
- been there, looked at it, nice place... and, looking at the primitive abundant upright walking livings there, quite funny what they do and how long they keep doing this. Quite amusing, actually. Looks they are on a turning point right now. Not sure if they self-destruct or get it together....
they may get inundatet with lawsuits for harassment.
Hopefully, there will be a judge sentencing the idiots to a mandantory exposure to their crap in a prison cell for 3 hours daily. Or - even better, tied to a post on a pedestal on time square with a sign with their sentence cause around their neck.
Isn't that whole commercial advertising shit turning into an automatic subconscious rejection of that particular product? Maybe some gene will get flipped in the next generations for just that.
I wonder how they comensate for the factor introduced by the folks being watched knowing to be watched and playing a game.
Maybe they glean something out of it to predict human behavior.
I wish all the power to humans to be as unpredictable and crazy as ususal and make them scratch their heads after they find out that things don't add up.
Does that dork not have a cellphone and can call up the folks in charge right away to get an anwer?
Nope, and I won't go into speculatons why - just look at the Bill Gates deposition videos and you'll know. That guy has it thick or he would not be who he is by bilking...yadayadayada
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if the flood of greed to tracking ($$'s) everyone's move can still be held back:
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You must have clicked the box: "Always trust news from CIA"
- should spend the effort on how to create more happyness!
Run it through a profiler - giving function names, times called, cpu time used, calling hirarchy/tree
if... there is such an animal around still for the environment in question.
1/3 is totally against
1/3 is partially against
1/3 does not care
Who is being served by the decision that it does not need to be labeled when 2/3 are not fully for it and the remainder does not give a damn?
If it does not cause harm and people care about, it should be labeled but it won't sell to 2/3 - so... shuff it down their throat it's a free country!
The problem with all this "artificial" stuff seems to be that our bodies are accustomed for a very long time to most stuff "naturally" occurring on this planet.
Now there is food material introduced which our bodies have not seen in that fashion - hyrdogenated oil is one of those and determined as being bad. Our bodies don't know how to deal with it.
So far, it seems to be that cloned animals are not equivalent to naturally (or artificially inseminated) grown animals. They die earlier and seem to have other problems meaning they are not 100 % identical.
Is there a long term risk - only time will show.
For a change, maybe human guinea pigs should be given the freedom of choice to participate in experimenting?
Aren't all those "humans" dreaming this up in one way or another control freaks?
What do they have in their mind about the "humans" on the receiving end?
Are we machines - button pushed here, response there? Probably that's what it is - objects to be "guided" and "lead".
If I want to see something, I also want to be the one having some kind of choice what and how to select it.
The only explanation I have is that all this information "rain" pouring down has some kind of subliminal effect and pays in $$'s - or fantasies of great amounts thereof.
SUBLIMINAL ADVERTISING IS ILLEGAL. THIS SYSTEM IS SO CORRUPT THAT NOBODY EVEN CARES!
Yeah - and Microsoft in particular, having to dream up more and more eye-candied gadgets to make a buck more.
From Bucky:
"It's as though we're flying on a happy trip
somewhere in first class on a 747, having champagne and a nice dinner
and watching a movie -- and having no idea that we're flying straight
toward the side of a mountain."
In case you have not noticed, one aspect here is "fueling" i. e. continuously generating the rods or pellets feeding reactors.
This aspect falls through the crack in your rather blatant statement.
What is the story on Iran of running a couple of thousand gas turbines for a couple of years to generate enough fuel for one reactor - they are not using up any energy?
What is the total expense on creating and maintaining the in- and output of a reactor, who controls this information and would have interest in publicising it if it's "not so great news" for some?
Any good answers there?
Please see previous post which contains links, name of the researcher and some data translated into English.
Any opposition to nuclear power is implicit endorsement of coal generated power.
= a closed mind statement very similar happening in a religious believe system follower.
Humans will need to become more skillful, flexible and consequent with their newly acquired brain capacities quickly in order to survive within the next couple of centuries.
Too much effort goes into destructive activities initiated by dominating psychopathic leaders.
Sane, rational people do not oppose atomic energy.
Maybe smart people allow a differerent perspective:
Case a:
atomic fuel + atomic power plant = electricity
assumed to be cheap and good
versus
Case b:
raw material + lot of energey = atomic fuel + radiating waste
atomic fuel + atomic power plant = electricity + more radiating waste
What is the total effort in energy, the potential long term risk, and is it worth it or are there better alternatives?
Have you seen a sane, rational discussion of this anywhere? Probably not because potential benefit of atomic power plants is diminished.
Link?
(in DE - you may have to run it through a translater)
From:
sueddeutsche.de Debatte um Atomenergie-Gefahren Kranke Kinder und eine alte Streitfrage - Wissen:
Das Risiko nimmt mit der Nähe zu
Die Forscher unter der Leitung der Mainzer Epidemiologin Maria Blettner stellten fest, dass zwischen 1980 und 2003 im Umkreis von fünf Kilometern um die Reaktoren 77 Kinder an Krebs, davon 37 an Leukämie, erkrankt waren. Im statistischen Durchschnitt seien 48 Krebs- beziehungsweise 17 Leukämiefälle zu erwarten gewesen. Etwa 20 Neuerkrankungen seien also allein auf das Wohnen in diesem Umkreis zurückzuführen.
--> in EN ->
Risk increases with proximity
Researchers under direction of epidemiologist Maria Blettner in Mainz, Germany noted that between 1980 and 2003, within a radius of five kilometers around the reactors 77 children with cancer, including 37 from leukaemia, were ill. A statistical average of 48 or 17 cancer-leukaemia cases can be expected. About 20 new cases were solely contributed to living in this vicinity.
Atomic power is not considered as "green" and people promoting the environment mostly oppose it and for good reasons. On this topic, btw.:
... is a scam to separate over-indulged yuppies
A recent study over there (GE) - done by respectable research bodies and ordered either by the government or the entity overseeing the atomic energy industry - has found an increase of children leukemia out of the average the closer the kids are living to an atomic power station.
The puzzling fact is that this cannot be explained by radiation levels since those are way below any limits. That was fairly recent - 1-2 months ago and they are still chewing on that.
as for your:
I could not disagree more - the scam is to allow big polluters a back door by buying credits and not having to clean up the mess they are putting into the athmosphere.
In Germany, the power companies are selling electricity generated by coal and atomic power stations as "green" electricity i. e. people signing up for green (derived from resuable resources - wind, sun, tides) are to be environmentally mindful get just the opposite.
They feel cheated, are mad, protest and sue.
Whole parts of cities all of a sudden are using "green" electricity, which is impossible because the resources are not there.
The power companies can do that because they buy carbon credits (or whatever that excuse to just go on as usual is called).
The corporations buy the polititians (as one can see clearly on the money spent currently greasing the US 2008 elections) and then weak laws with loopholes and missleading names (1984-style) are made.
What else is new in this world except that your privacy is screwed for greed and $$'s?
One has to develop a 6th or 7th sense in this post-1984 world.
Search for a domain and buy it right at the spot of search from the competitively priced registrar of your choice - one who has a live (US) customer rep on a phone line (this actually exists).
Your 6++th sense has to warn you right at the point of typing in a query on a ridiculously expensive registrar to NOT(!!) do this and find out why this bell rings.
Otherwise, you are peacemeat.
(No question that NS is to be avoided and what they are doing stinks - greedy bastards!)
- identify coke users
... something good old George did not imagine when he wrote the book.
- apply vaccine forcibly
They are criminals - aren't they?
Won't fly though because many high wheelers use it as well and they will pull strings.
So - who will be caught in this?
And what else on immune-system-changing - or DNS - agents will be in that cocktail?
What a great way to get rid of "scum"...
Right on!
The world is like a ship in a huge storm
- the rudder is broken, and the mast just broke also, the ship cannot be steered any more
- the captain and crew are totally drunk or stoned
and the news media are there to make the passengers think they are on a holiday cruise
you may not want to work in a company doing this anyway....
If you don't have a choice, there goes another piece of "freedom" sacrificed to nitpicking tigh-asses unable to get a life, instead paying to their corporate, political or religous gods and philosophies instead.
Seems to be the trend and the general fear factor goes up a notch more.
In the first place, folks are humans wanting to enjoy their lifes and that aspect seems to be getting lost more and more.
What's good about 2003 Server? Was this a free download at one point? Many people seem to use it. 180 day trial as I see it now.
With the Kerio - kerio.com goes to a different company with $ 500 enterprise products. sunbelt-software.com has the free kerio (sunbelt) firewall, versions are:
From their docs:
Q: What were the dates of the different Kerio Releases?
A:
SKPF 4.3.246 - May 22, 2006 (translations for several languages are not complete but this is being resolved)
SKPF 4.2.3.912 December 15, 2005
KPF 4.2 July 21, 2005
KPF 4.1 September 14, 2004
KPF 4.0 August 18, 2003
my goof & paranoia = regrets
that any application you downloaded and installed calls "home" over the Internet in some way or other without common users even noticing it.
I have an old version of Kerio (very sorry that it vanished) which serves very well in putting every attempt of programs to go out on the network on display.
Recent discoveries: a PDF printer driver "calls home" every time I print a document through it.
Adobe (reader) is pretty bad in checking for updates or whatever it tries to do on the Internet and M$oft of cause always accesses some port 123 when starting XP.
In essence - unless you really are behind every program, you have no privacy!
And - with NTFS allowing stealth handles, who knows what is installed, not even talking about Vista.
FBI now openly talking about a kitchensink database on everyone with everything, I think the game is lost....
should take care of unemployment though - two people necessary to track every "normal" citizen
- been there, looked at it, nice place... and, looking at the primitive abundant upright walking livings there, quite funny what they do and how long they keep doing this. Quite amusing, actually. Looks they are on a turning point right now. Not sure if they self-destruct or get it together....
they may get inundatet with lawsuits for harassment.
Hopefully, there will be a judge sentencing the idiots to a mandantory exposure to their crap in a prison cell for 3 hours daily. Or - even better, tied to a post on a pedestal on time square with a sign with their sentence cause around their neck.
Isn't that whole commercial advertising shit turning into an automatic subconscious rejection of that particular product? Maybe some gene will get flipped in the next generations for just that.
I wonder how they comensate for the factor introduced by the folks being watched knowing to be watched and playing a game.
Maybe they glean something out of it to predict human behavior.
I wish all the power to humans to be as unpredictable and crazy as ususal and make them scratch their heads after they find out that things don't add up.
by the time the signals sent out will arrive anywhere of significance, the disease "humans" will have been defeated by the planet's own immune system.
Does that dork not have a cellphone and can call up the folks in charge right away to get an anwer?
Nope, and I won't go into speculatons why - just look at the Bill Gates deposition videos and you'll know. That guy has it thick or he would not be who he is by bilking...yadayadayada