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Pentagon Working on "Human Fear" Weapons

An anonymous reader writes "Animals use pheromones to attract each other for sex, and warn each other of danger. Now, Wired reports, military researchers are working to harness the 'human fear' pheromone to create a scent of terror. The pheromone could lead to smell-based terrorist sensors, and new weapons that rely on 'contagious' stress."

310 comments

  1. What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I fear it might not work.

    1. Re:What could happen by spun · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you may be right. The vomeronasal organ is vestigial or nonexistant in humans, and there don't appear to be any connections between even vestigial vomeronasal organs and the brain.

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    2. Re:What could happen by FalconZero · · Score: 1

      I am not a biologist, so I'll just ask; "Is it reasonable to assume that there even is a fear scent in humans?". Is there any evidence of it's exsitence in closely related species?

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    3. Re:What could happen by fictionpuss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I fear it might not work.

      I fear it's too late..

    4. Re:What could happen by RDW · · Score: 4, Funny

      'I am not a biologist, so I'll just ask; "Is it reasonable to assume that there even is a fear scent in humans?". Is there any evidence of it's exsitence in closely related species?'

      Well, with that kind of defeatist reality-based reasoning, how can we ever hope to complete the development of the Gay Bomb?:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb

    5. Re:What could happen by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Funny

      The odour is produced bacteria found exclusively in Dick Cheney's asscrack.

      Admit it! Even the thought of this incites fear and disgust!

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    6. Re:What could happen by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Fear is the mind killer....

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    7. Re:What could happen by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      It sounds like they may have already won!

    8. Re:What could happen by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      I fear it might not work.
      ___
      but it might raise a stink.

    9. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
      Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise....
      Our two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency....
      Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
      and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
      Our four... no...
      Amongst our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...
      are such elements as fear, surprise...
      I'll come in again.

    10. Re:What could happen by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I, for one, fear.... I for... Sorry, I'm afraid I can't finish the joke.

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    11. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why do I get so horny when I sniff your sister's panties?

    12. Re:What could happen by suggsjc · · Score: 1

      "The only thing we have to fear is Fear itself" - FRD

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    13. Re:What could happen by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      actually fear weapons are quite effective...

      They did some testing and a army team facing a fight when told the enemy all has body armor piercing ammunition the dynamics of the team changed drastically and started to show signs of fear which would reduce their effectiveness as they would be much more cautious in their attack.

      Fear weapons have been used forever, they are called spreading rumors or false information that keeps your enemy at bay. The Russians did it to the United states for nearly 50 years in the cold war. They made it look and sound like they had a crapload more weapons and bigger meaner ones than they really did. It scared the shit out of the USA to the point where we even had the populace shaking in their boots and afraid of the USSR.

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    14. Re:What could happen by listen_to_blogs · · Score: 0

      You are probably right. It sounds like the plot of a hollywood movie. listen_to_slashdot

    15. Re:What could happen by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Franklin Relano Doosevelt?

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    16. Re:What could happen by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then why do I get so horny when I sniff your sister's panties? Because my sister has incontinence problems, and you have a shit fetish? OH SNAP!
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    17. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have nothing to fear except fear-omones themselves...

    18. Re:What could happen by Knowbuddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know the original poster was kidding, but ...

      Many people think of pheromones as "pop science" or put them in the same category as aether and quintessence and whatnot. But, I can prove to you that pheromones are very real and can do very interesting things. It's simple:

      1. Drive to your nearest large zoo, accompanied by a few women.
      2. Visit the gorilla area. Try to stand downwind.
      3. Ask the women how they are feeling.
      4. Profit!

      If you don't have access to women who will get into your car, go to the zoo by yourself and talk to random female passers-by. Or, find a guy that you can actually talk to, and have him talk to the women for you.

      Point being, a large number of the women will say that they feel uneasy or uncomfortable. Check their arm- and neck-hair: most of the women, and a large number of the men, will go pilo (fine hair stands up), maybe without even realizing it.

      Smell the air. Does it smell a little like sweat? Maybe like a gym locker room?

      There is a biological response in humans to the musk produced by gorillas. Most people might not even realize they're smelling the musk, as it's very easy to mistake for the sweaty smell of a large human crowd. Oddly enough, the reaction is generally noticeable for gorillas, but not nearly so for other large apes such as orangutans, chimpanzees, bonobos, etc.

      (If you happen to live in the Central Florida area, the gorilla exhibit at Disney's Animal Kingdom is perfect for this. There's a section that is often downwind of the gorillas and is surrounded by two high walls, and you have no choice but to walk through it.)

      Seriously. Next time you're at the zoo, check it out. No matter how smart you are, sometimes your genetics get the better of you.

    19. Re:What could happen by suggsjc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nope, but close. People always wrongly associate this quote. It was actually his son Franklin Relano Doosevelt, Jr.

      So yeah, I realized I had made a mistake just as I was clicking Submit. Why does that happen? You can realize you screwed up the instant that you do it...

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    20. Re:What could happen by imipak · · Score: 1

      Lordy, the jokes just write themselves on a story like this, don't they...

    21. Re:What could happen by spun · · Score: 1

      "Nerds can detect pheromones even though they have no vomeronasal organs"
      "Really?! Then how do they smell?"
      "Terrible!"

      Badump-cha! Thank you, I'll be here all night. Try the veal, it's cloned!

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    22. Re:What could happen by budgenator · · Score: 1

      "Is it reasonable to assume that there even is a fear scent in humans?".
      Pheromones seem to be present in Humans, they also seem to be vestigial in most. In studies the result seem to be positive, yet not uniformly reproducible and frequently not able to produce statistically significants in all environments. So basically if this works at all, it's effects will be spotty and out of the few it effect, half with turn into balls of jelly and the other half will go into a berserker rage.

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    23. Re:What could happen by mikiN · · Score: 1

      More evidence for the reality of the effect of pheromones on humans comes from the study of menstrual synchrony (women who live together tend to menstruate at the same time).

      What is interesting is that the effect takes quite long (2 to 4 months) to fully manifest itself.
      Applied to "fear gas", I believe this could mean the effect could be quite insidious, like a slowly rising feeling of unrest or discontent in a population after secretly dusting them with pheromones for a long time.

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    24. Re:What could happen by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      Actually American military-industrial complex produced that. Contrary to the popular (in US) belief, post-WWII USSR was extremely isolationist, and was only interested in expansion and arms race as long as it perceived a threat. Take into account that from USSR perspective WWII was a Western power jumping to the East as a delayed result of a previous Western conflict (WWI) that it wanted no part of in the first place, and US initiating Cold War right after co-operation with USSR in WWII did not inspire any confidence, either.

      As for actual and perceived threat, I am sure that when US will fall (politically or economically) others will "discover" that it was always more of a paper tiger than a real threat.

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    25. Re:What could happen by FredThompson · · Score: 1

      Yes, there most certainly is a scent of fear. Ask anyone who has had plenty of experience with scared people such as a beat cop, interrogators, etc. To me, scared people smell like wet copper. Human skin is constantly sweating and shedding cells.

    26. Re:What could happen by mikiN · · Score: 1

      If you work at a cubicle farm or live in a dormitory where there are a number of women working or living together for a long time, you may want to ask the women to compare the dates of there periods. The results may surprise you. More information here and here.

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    27. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, it's a doosy.

    28. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's the smell of blood. They're scared because you are hitting them.

    29. Re:What could happen by Abeydoun · · Score: 1

      Frankly I find it intriguing. How can an asshole have an asscrack?

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    30. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but are they working on a nude bomb:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nude_Bomb

    31. Re:What could happen by Deadstick · · Score: 1
      you may want to ask the women to compare the dates of there periods. The results may surprise you.

      You go ahead. The kick you'll get in your balls won't surprise me in the least.

      rj

    32. Re:What could happen by neomunk · · Score: 1

      Simple recursion.

      The truth of the matter is though, when you get down to the core he's all anus.

    33. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH SNAP, you really got him there. Now he has your sister's eggs on his face.

    34. Re:What could happen by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremelanotide

      Amazing I wasn't aware of this before. Risks be damned I want some of that substance... For research of course!

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    35. Re:What could happen by Muhammar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Our military has a long tradition of funding crackpots and loonies that do secret work on blood-curdling woodoo, see "The men who stare at goats" from Jon Ronson and "Imaginary Weapons" from Sharon Weinberger. Even the Scientology Church could learn new "spiritual tech" from our military experts.

      The idea of activating fear circuits by chemicals sounds like a pure moonshine - but there is no need for it because the military has already the equipment to project a loud shrill interference-laden high-pitch sound that makes one to run and feel like loading the pants at the same time (directionally projected over a half-mile distance). There are radar-like dishes to send microwave frequencies causing intense burning skin sensation through clothes. There are super-potent bad-trip producing hallucinogens and odors that make one puke his guts out. Even the good old tear gas can make enormous impact when the pavement is first sprayed with a thin film of lube slime...

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    36. Re:What could happen by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Let me see, so what you are saying is a family approaching the check point in full knowledge that if they fail, they will be taken aside, separated from each other, forced to take of their clothes, humiliated, have brutish thugs sexual assault them and their family (how else would you describe groping someone genitals and groping peoples rectums, and exactly what is the age limit before it can be described as paedophilia), have all their luggage examined, their clothes torn open (have to check for hidden inner layers), all their electronic equipment confiscated (cameras, music players, mobile phones, laptop computers - they can all store gigabytes of data), miss their flight, be detained for more the 24 hours, left cold, hungry, isolated and denied access to sanitary facilities and wondering what has happened to the rest of their family. Er, yeah, sure there is nothing to fear at a US airport check point.

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    37. Re:What could happen by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm... 'FUD Bomb' has a nice ring to it doesn't it...

      Now if only I could think of a 'Soviet Russia' joke to put here, this post would be complete.

    38. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the good old tear gas can make enormous impact when the pavement is first sprayed with a thin film of lube slime...

      I'd be freaked out by having the pavement sprayed with a thin film of lube slime alone :)

    39. Re:What could happen by budgenator · · Score: 1

      This has what to do with the topic being discussed? The above situation might be good for harvesting fear/alarm pheromones, but what they are talking about is exposing opposing combatants to the fear/alarm pheromone so that they would become fearful. Even if it works, I don't think it will work like they expect because combatants are generally alarmed and fearful anyways

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    40. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be a big, loud, stinky fart, wouldn't it?

    41. Re:What could happen by MacWiz · · Score: 1

      I thought for sure that this was going to have something to do with Fox News.

    42. Re:What could happen by svunt · · Score: 1

      To be more accurate, Stalin wasn't completely uninterested in foreign territory after WWII, but those interests were limited to the desire for a solid buffer zone of Soviet hegemony around their borders - eastern Europe, Korea, etc.

    43. Re:What could happen by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      From the article 'Some have suggested that the human alarm pheromone could lead to chemical fear-sensors' try RTFA for a change.

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    44. Re:What could happen by xENoLocO · · Score: 1

      Didn't they already set one of these off in San Francisco?

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    45. Re:What could happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because the USA would never use propaganda, spread rumours and false information, you patriotic shithead?

    46. Re:What could happen by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

      Oh ho ho ho
      oh hahaha
      oh har har har

      No really, I was a little boy, in Galveston, and I saw some boats. Boat with a bunch of cars on each. I asked my dad "what's with all those big boats?" My dad said "the ferries". And this other dude walking bye said "hey, I knew we were organized, but we've even got a navy!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

      And then he turned into the cloverfield monster and gave me a strawberry.

    47. Re:What could happen by budgenator · · Score: 1

      It might have some utility for detecting the level of fear/alarm present in a population present in an area, but I can see it working on an individual basis for picking out people at customs or a military check point. Ever watch the guy from the gas company trying to locate a gas leak with a meter? My guess is the real bad-guys(Tm) would just pop an Inderal or other beta-blocker and be good to go anyways.

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    48. Re:What could happen by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Regardless, scent also does a great deal to help people recall events. Though this feature seems useless without scaring the fuck out of the target beforehand while also releasing the scent.

      On another note, do we really want a government that knows the best ways to keep us in line?

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    49. Re:What could happen by Thecarpe · · Score: 1

      Infrasound has been used to this effect as well. It's worth a read on wikipedia. For additional fun reading, look at the healing effects of the frequency of cat's purring and bone structure. It's really quite fascinating how some naturally occurring phenomena can either help us achieve positive ends or negative ends.

      I, for one, welcome our terrifyingly smelly overlords.

    50. Re:What could happen by jaydanie · · Score: 1

      I think you are correct. The only scent that scares me is the backed up sewer at McDonalds!

  2. Big fans eh? by Sciros · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looks like *someone* has seen Naked Gun 2 1/2 way too many times.

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    1. Re:Big fans eh? by Kuukai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or Batman Begins.

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    2. Re:Big fans eh? by Sciros · · Score: 1

      Hehe, yeah... Scarecrow has always been all about his "fear toxin" I guess. The Naked Gun reference is a bit more random because the movie's full title is "Naked Gun 2 1/2: The Smell of Fear"

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    3. Re:Big fans eh? by 4solarisinfo · · Score: 1

      So we're moveing from Sci-Tech to Comi-tech?

  3. women by EZReady · · Score: 5, Funny

    female pheromones would work for most slashdotters

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    1. Re:women by TheMadcapZ · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the sound of a 16 sided dice rolling immediately overrides the lure of the female and forces the male to grab his character sheets and run towards the sound!!

    2. Re:women by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You don't usually use a 16-sided dice. You've got 4,6,8,10,12,and 20. A standard polyhedral set comes with one of each of those two tens. You can get a 16-sider, but that's a special order in most cases. I'm also not aware of a game in which it would be useful.

      You can also get a 100-sider, but you usually roll two 10s, one of which is marked with a trailing 0 on each side. /Married //Still plays DnD ///DMing tonight. ////I own several sets of dice, including one set that's 20+ years old. /////The only girl that I'm scared of is my daughter.

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    3. Re:women by TheMadcapZ · · Score: 1

      I rest my case.

    4. Re:women by techpawn · · Score: 1

      You can also get a 100-sider
      I saw someone roll a 100-sider once... once... I think they're still rolling it and trying to get a result where it doesn't roll off the table or hit a book... They basically look like a golf ball with numbers on it

      The two 10's (especially the special 10's designed specifically for this) make FAR more sense...
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    5. Re:women by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Slashdotter: "I smell a woman. RUN!!!!!"

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    6. Re:women by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And 30 sider. I think there was a game that specifically used those. /Yes I'm married// still plays DND and other roleplaying games//I own many dice and 30 year old Dungeon and Dragons material///The only girl I'm scared of is my daughter. They have so much power, don't they?

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    7. Re:women by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can get 2-siders for nearly a dime a dozen.

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    8. Re:women by hummassa · · Score: 1

      Actually, /.ers (nerds in general) don't run from women. They get paralyzed and aphasic or disphasic (sometimes they drool, too).
      Yeah, I was a hardcore nerd type 'till I got a girlfriend at the age of 15. Then I went into softcore-nerd-with-girlfriend, then class-clown in college, heavy-drinker during my undergrad, then a short ladies-man phase, followed by my marriage and now in the shut-up-kids-and-let-pop-post-at-slashdot phase (posted this in my jammies) :-)

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    9. Re:women by melikamp · · Score: 1

      [...] then a short ladies-man phase, [...]

      It's OK. Many a short men go through this stage.

    10. Re:women by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      You, sir, deserve a hearty handshake. Well played.

      (Not just because I read "The Machine that Won the War" recently.)

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    11. Re:women by barakn · · Score: 1

      You don't know how tall he is. Maybe he likes short ladies.

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    12. Re:women by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      no chance. us geeks have been stuck in front of our pc's so long there is no way we would recognize a female feromone...

    13. Re:women by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1
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  4. The Pentagon by Smordnys+s'regrepsA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Turning your "War on Terror" into the "War of Terror," since 2008.

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    1. Re:The Pentagon by njfuzzy · · Score: 1

      Where were you in October 2001? This is hardly the beginning.

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    2. Re:The Pentagon by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 1

      Where were you in October 2001?
      At home, thinking, "we're Osama's tail and it will only be a matter of days before we catch him."
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    3. Re:The Pentagon by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      Turning your "War on Terror" into the "War of Terror," since 2002.

      There, fixed that for ya.

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    4. Re:The Pentagon by fatphil · · Score: 1

      So he was wagging you, was he?

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    5. Re:The Pentagon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turning your "War on Terror" into the "War of Terror," since 2001.

      Here, fixed for you.

  5. Irony by traindirector · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'd almost think that after declaring a war on terror an organization wouldn't use terror against enemies in the most literal way possible...

    1. Re:Irony by bigjarom · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of a quote about having nothing to fear. I'm not sure why.

    2. Re:Irony by dmeranda · · Score: 1

      ...in the most literal way possible...

      Didn't you read the out-of-context article summary? Its not literal, its olfactic.

    3. Re:Irony by drooling-dog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who said this is to be used on "our" enemies?

      It'll be used on ourselves, to make us more eager to accept the enemies that are provided for us, and more desperate for protection from them.

    4. Re: Irony by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      You'd almost think that after declaring a war on terror an organization wouldn't use terror against enemies in the most literal way possible... Exactly what I thought about the Mother of all Bombs, which they admitted was useless except for terrorizing the enemy.
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    5. Re:Irony by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      Bah, you beat me to it >.pure terror. Not everyone is going to be afraid of a building falling down (those are the people that rise up and take charge of a situation), but everyone will be afraid if their brains tell them to be. It looks like what we have to fear now is fear itsself.

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    6. Re:Irony by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      1. Have Gov't induce fear upon citizens. 2. Have big pharma keep citizens dumbed down with mind-numbing "antipsychotics" for relief and control. 3. ??? 4. Profit!

  6. Amongst our weapons by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and pheromones...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....

    1. Re:Amongst our weapons by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Bring out... the Comfy Chair!

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  7. The tinfoil hat was comfortable by barakn · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...but now a gas mask?

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    1. Re:The tinfoil hat was comfortable by ppz003 · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...but now a gas mask? Because you are afraid of fear gas...
    2. Re:The tinfoil hat was comfortable by robinsonne · · Score: 1

      Cellophane gas mask obviously...

    3. Re:The tinfoil hat was comfortable by reverseengineer · · Score: 1

      My amygdala! The gas mask does nothing!

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  8. Bio warfare? by Fluffy_Kitten · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does that not count as biological warfare?

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    1. Re:Bio warfare? by whopub · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does that not count as biological warfare? Who cares! The whole plan stinks.
    2. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not likely. Bio-warfare implies living organisms like bacteria or viruses. Since phermones are (far as I know) just complex molecules it would fall under the chemical warfare category. Still no day in the park...

    3. Re:Bio warfare? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, since the pheromones are not alive.

      It does count as chemical warfare, though.

    4. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no. because they are inducing any physiological illness.

    5. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's a chemical agent, not a biological one.

    6. Re:Bio warfare? by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

      They could always claim that it was simply a fear reaction. You do know of course, that the sort of fear they want to engender smells like a combination of runny shit, vomit, and rotten meat....

    7. Re:Bio warfare? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 0

      What fucking idiot modded the parent to 0? The AC is correct. Fucking mod-tards!

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    8. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh the old story of schoolyard bully enforcing his overlording self on others by way of the fearful stink bomb.

    9. Re:Bio warfare? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Does that not count as biological warfare?

      Not unless "water boarding" counts as torture.

      Thanks, folks! I'll be here all week.

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      Breakfast served all day!
    10. Re:Bio warfare? by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Not if America is doing it.

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    11. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe AC posts start at 0?

    12. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me you're joking. You couldn't be that much of a fucking idiot.

    13. Re:Bio warfare? by scubamage · · Score: 1

      Yes it does since they're organic compounds (I believe thats the difference between chemical and biological warfare). Anyways, it doesn't count when the US renigs on nonproliferation treaties because our skin isn't brown. Our poop doesn't smell either.

    14. Re:Bio warfare? by taniwha · · Score: 1

      but then neither are viruses and they count - I think this is probably somewhere on the continuum between 'chemical' and 'biological' - closer to 'chemical' than viruses are

    15. Re:Bio warfare? by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1

      ~ because our skin isn't brown.

      So, how are things in Alabama?

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    16. Re:Bio warfare? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      There is debate on whether viruses are actually alive or not.

    17. Re:Bio warfare? by nickptar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alive or not, viruses are infective agents. Pheromones aren't.

    18. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is high velocity lead chemical warfare too?

    19. Re:Bio warfare? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      Did not know that.

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    20. Re:Bio warfare? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      Your just mad because you didn't coin the word "mod-tard".

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    21. Re:Bio warfare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 funny

      kthx
      bey

    22. Re:Bio warfare? by martinde · · Score: 1

      When you think about it, even bullets are chemical weapons.

    23. Re:Bio warfare? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      If you define 'chemical weapon' that way, then everything is a chemical weapon.

      With a bullet (or knife, club, dire flail, ect..), it isn't what the thing is made of that kills you.

  9. terra! by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pheromone could lead to smell-based terrorist sensors, and new weapons that rely on 'contagious' stress."
    Awesome. Now people who are afraid of flying will have the added benefit of getting cavity-searched as a result of their fear.
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    1. Re:terra! by sexybomber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep, and once again, the real terrorists (who are presumably fanatical enough that they're not afraid to do what they're planning to do) will slip through.

    2. Re:terra! by a+whoabot · · Score: 1

      I think the key word there is "presumably": as in totally unfounded. I bet that Mohammed Jihad is still pissing his pants before he goes to kill himself even if he is pretty sure he's getting 72 virgins.

    3. Re:terra! by sexybomber · · Score: 1

      Well, it depends on how powerful of an indoctrination/programming he's been given. Theoretcially, wouldn't it be possible to fsck someone up enough that they don't display any fear response?

    4. Re:terra! by Gat0r30y · · Score: 1

      I picture this scene:
      Mom:"now little timmy, don't be afraid about your first flight. If you get afraid, the government will know, come and get you, and the TSA is going to have to put you on the probulator."
      Timmy:"Ahhhhhhhhh....." - runs in fear
      TSA Agent (big burly trick named 'Molly'):"Now just hold still, the probulator is designed to be minimally intrusive, oh and i hope you haven't eaten in the last 48 hours, cause if you have.... well i just hope you didn't"
      Timmy:"Ahhhhhhh!!!!"
      Mom:"Timmy, what did you eat beats and rotten baby food!?!?"

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    5. Re:terra! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seventy two???!!!
      Where do I sign up?

    6. Re:terra! by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      Theoretcially, wouldn't it be possible to fsck someone up enough that they don't display any fear response?

      Yes, its called "boot camp".

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    7. Re:terra! by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Do you really want to spend eternity surrounded by Slashdot readers and Ron Paul supporters?

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    8. Re:terra! by rasputin465 · · Score: 1

      Awesome. Now people who are afraid of flying will have the added benefit of getting cavity-searched as a result of their fear.
      Well of course, how else do you expect to calm their fears?
    9. Re:terra! by mikiN · · Score: 1

      I think the key word there is "presumably": as in totally unfounded. I bet that Mohammed Jihad is still pissing his pants before he goes to kill himself even if he is pretty sure he's getting 72 virgins. Only now he'll have his axillary sweat glands 'surgically' removed (probably dressed up as a "rite of passage" ritual) prior to being sent out "in the field".
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    10. Re:terra! by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      A little Xanax or weed before heading off to the airport, a so-called terrorist would probably be mellower than most of the other passengers.

  10. Too unreliable by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You must consider that there has to be many reasons for people to send out stress pheromones, late for work, fear of flying, claustrophobia etc.

    And there is no reason that a suicide bomber actually is afraid - that phase may have passed over months ago and the person may have actually come to terms with his/her destiny.

    So someone is barking up the wrong tree again...

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    1. Re:Too unreliable by creysoft · · Score: 1

      Given how useful a tool fear has become in getting the American public to go along with virtually anything, do you really think this is being designed to use on terrorists?

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    2. Re:Too unreliable by coresnake · · Score: 1

      Its basically facecrime for your glands

    3. Re:Too unreliable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As we all know, the government uses the "war on terror" as their justification for everything. Even when that lie is a stretch.

    4. Re:Too unreliable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter.

      As long as the percentage of terrorists vs. non-terrorists that send off the pheromone is significantly different, it's still a useful piece of information that you can combine with other indicators using Bayes' Rule.

  11. Accuracy ... by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

    ...new weapons that rely on 'contagious' stress.

    Hopefully they can separately trigger the "fight" and "flight" responses.

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  12. Fear Eh? by mixmatch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean a squad of guys busting into your house with sub-machine guns doesn't cause this effect?

    1. Re:Fear Eh? by huckamania · · Score: 1

      Only if you have something to hide.

    2. Re:Fear Eh? by rob1980 · · Score: 1

      Not if you're Jack Bauer it doesn't!

    3. Re:Fear Eh? by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They rated you funny, and it was, but you should have been rated insightful. I just recounted an episode last summer in the next to latest journal about how I, a hazel eyed gray haired geezer had my civil rights violated by the local police, FBI and DEA.

      As I was talking to the FBI gay, er "guy" before he searched me (putting his hands on my balls, why can't they have female cops search men? UGH!), he asked why I seemed so nervous. I went from nervous to incredible, thinking "WTF is this dumbass smoking?"

      "WHAT?? Because half a dozen big armed men just accosted me!" I replied. I didn't add "You stupid fucking authoritarian dumbass cocksucker!" as I would have liked to.

      Actually I wasn't scared at all, but I was mad as hell. What I was afraid of was that they'd piss me off enough that I'd do something stupid. Like slap one of them upside the head with a hooker.

      Dumb fucking cops. Nothing in my life has made me less respectful of police officers. They're called the D.I.R.T. team and the name fits the dirty bastards, all of whom IMO belong in a prison or somewhere worse.

      Now I understand why all the rap songs are so disrespectful of the police. I mean, I'm a white old guy, imagine being a black young guy.

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    4. Re:Fear Eh? by suggsjc · · Score: 1

      Nah, I'm used to it.

      Hillary Clinton as president, now THAT will strike fear into even the coldest of hearts!

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    5. Re:Fear Eh? by mixmatch · · Score: 0

      You clearly have not seen some of the things the army is capable of.

    6. Re:Fear Eh? by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 1

      Are there seriously people this stupid in the world?

      Well, I guess it'd explain the Bush administration.

    7. Re:Fear Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Nothing in my life has made me less respectful of police officers.



      Welcome to the real world, my friend. You can never go back now.

    8. Re:Fear Eh? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Actually I never had a lot of respect in the first place; When I was a teenager my boss had the local cops paid off, which doesn't tend to make one have a lot of respect.

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  13. Yay for villans! by iamdug · · Score: 0

    Now I can be Scarecrow!!! for real....

    1. Re:Yay for villans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want an island with a semi-dead volcano, hidden runways, underground bunkers (including a 2x10 mile underground beach with 24 hrs sun and 20 ft waves), particle accelerators existing at the atom level and not miles because speed is relative, blah blah blah...

  14. Brings new meaning to by biased_estimator · · Score: 1

    the phrase "state of fear"

  15. Fear is not always a bad thing... by LiquidMind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A weapon that exploits fear 'scents' could backfire just as easily. Traditionally, fear will cause someone to flee or at the very least become nervous and therefore have his/her decision-making skills crippled. But for some, fear is a great motivator. If i'm gonna get into a fight and feel extra fearful because of this exploit, i might come back twice as hard to overcome whatever is in my way.

    just a thought....

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    1. Re:Fear is not always a bad thing... by _KiTA_ · · Score: 2, Insightful


      A weapon that exploits fear 'scents' could backfire just as easily. Traditionally, fear will cause someone to flee or at the very least become nervous and therefore have his/her decision-making skills crippled. But for some, fear is a great motivator. If i'm gonna get into a fight and feel extra fearful because of this exploit, i might come back twice as hard to overcome whatever is in my way.

      just a thought....


      It'll also work great with protesters. Roll out a few of these "fear grenades" into a crowd, and they'll either panic and flee, or band together and attack. Either way, you can call it a riot and arrest them all for showing up.

      You won't even have to bother with a mole to incite a riot anymore. Score!

    2. Re:Fear is not always a bad thing... by fatphil · · Score: 1

      If the crowd loses its ability to evaluate threats to their personal wellbeing accurately, that puts them only one step away from being berserkers - all they'll need to do is just block the fear which they can rationalise away as being chemical-induced and thus irrational. Expect sales of bear-skin to rocket.

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    3. Re:Fear is not always a bad thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VERY well said.

      When you learn to use fear, it becomes your friend.

    4. Re:Fear is not always a bad thing... by thealsir · · Score: 1

      Depends. Fear causes the release of fight-or-flight hormones which, saturating the body beyond a certain threshold, can be disabling.

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  16. obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    obligatory oooooh im so afraid

  17. They have researchers for this by CaptainPatent · · Score: 0

    Every now and again my apartment will emit an odor that induces absolute horror...

    If they want I can search for the source and send it their way.

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    1. Re:They have researchers for this by spun · · Score: 1

      Are you sure that's your apartment emitting that odor?

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    2. Re:They have researchers for this by awdau · · Score: 1

      Do you change your socks regularly?

  18. I know one fear that would work! by MrShaggy · · Score: 0, Troll

    Bush being re-elected!

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  19. At least it's not the Gay Bomb by davidwr · · Score: 1

    See the top of page 2.

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  20. I hab immudidy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My node id all stubbed ub duday.

  21. Oblig. Simpsons by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Marge: What happened? You didn't do anything!

    Dr. Hibbert: Oh, didn't I? [laughs] Nothing dissolves glue better than human sweat. I knew Bart would panic and start perspiring at the sight of this button applicator!

    Bart: Couldn't you have just turned the heat up a little?

    Dr. Hibbert: [sinister] Oh, heavens no! It had to be terror sweat!

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  22. Why Fear? by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why don't they make a "love" weapon instead.

    After all, I thought the US was supposed to have a reputation for turning enemies into friends.

    1. Re:Why Fear? by antime · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why don't they make a "love" weapon instead.
      Already tried, didn't work out too good.
    2. Re:Why Fear? by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      I thought the US was supposed to have a reputation for turning enemies into friends.

      Maybe a long time ago.

      Recently it's been pretty much the opposite.

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    3. Re:Why Fear? by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      I've never really understood how the "gay bomb" would have actually been all that effective as a weapon.

      * Enemy soldiers less stressed out, because they're finally "getting some"
      * Enemy soldiers more visible thanks to brightly colored uniforms
      * Collapse of the Iraqi porn industry
      * Improved aesthetics at enemy bases
      * Iraqi literary and theatrical output increased tenfold

      On the other hand, although there would be no casualties, friendly-fire incidents would create an administrative nightmare.

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    4. Re:Why Fear? by catmandue · · Score: 1

      Google, "what's so bad about feeling good"

  23. less than an ounce of air. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Begin countdown to when earplugs and noseclips are considered terrorist weapons in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

  24. OOPS... by Vampyre_Dark · · Score: 1

    So how long until a guy carrying a brief case and scared gets popped by a sniper and it turns out he was headed to a job interview, or a make or break business deal?

    1. Re:OOPS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or an infant with a diaper that needs changing.

  25. Going to go the way of the Gaybomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the weapon that makes men drop their pants and fornicate with each other isn't a viable option for the U.S. military, why is this viable?

  26. now we have to ban aftershave from airports? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    smell-based terrorist sensors

    Which could be a problem considering how much profit the duty-free shops make from selling overpriced perfume and the like

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  27. Something doesn't add up... by flaming+error · · Score: 1

    What possible anti-terrorist use is there for a sensor that can smell fear? Presumably this would detect people who are frightened, or those using DARPA's new perfume, "Terror #5."

  28. Vapourware by JTeutenberg · · Score: 1

    It's nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Ok, maybe not mirrors.

  29. It's not the terrorists... by xannash · · Score: 1
    Seems like this fear sensor could be used other places and be, possibly, more effective. How about on the borders where people are smuggling illegal drugs and also illegal aliens into the country. Couldn't this also be used there.

    Or maybe they don't want to use it there because the "War on Drugs" has existed longer than the "War On Terror" and is really a government conspiracy to warp the minds of the youth, so the government can eventually control their brains...blah, blah, blah.

  30. fart bomb by Chutulu · · Score: 0

    so they are building a fart bomb? Or a fart machine-gun?

  31. The Smell of Fear by BadHaggis · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Forcing a detainee to inhale pheromones which induce a state of terror and has not been classified as torture, Therefor, it can be freely used during interrogations to obtain information. Why bother with water boarding someone when you can induce the same levels of terror through a little sniff of fear.

    On the civilian side I guess my fear of flying will be detected every time I travel and I will constantly have to visit the little security office for questioning.

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    1. Re:The Smell of Fear by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Torture doesn't work, and indeed can even be counterproductive. In December 2006 I suffered a torn retina. The doctor welded my retina back togethsr with a laser, but the laser wouldn't reach the whole tear, as I have a device in my eye that replaces its lens consisting of a plastic lens on struts that move with the movement of the focusing muscles (yes I'm a cyborg now, you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile).

      The struts got in the way of the laser. So he used an older therapy, which involved holding a metal probe supercooled with liquid nitrogen to the white of my eye opposite the torn retina.

      If I'd been strapped to a chair at guantanimo when he did that, I'd have confessed to anything.

      Torture is good for extracting confessions, but not for revealing the truth.

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    2. Re:The Smell of Fear by BadHaggis · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on the end results of torture. I left out the sarcasm tag and probably didn't word smith enough to pass the sarcasm through in the post.

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  32. Bad trip! by Babu+'God'+Hoover · · Score: 1

    Hit them with a hefty dose of LSD prior to the pheromone.
    The 'organic' crowd might prefer ergot extract
    but LSD is much safer.

  33. SPOILERS by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

    The cute part about the plot of the video game Deus Ex was how

    SPOILERS

    it involves the government trying to develop a human-like AI capable of analyzing trillions of intercepted communications and identifying subversive activity as well as a human analyst, but a problem arose: once successful, it started identifying the government as a terrorist organization.

  34. Stanislaw Lem is a futurologist after all! by Xtense · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of Stanislaw Lem's novel, The Chain of Chance, or "Katar" (literally "Rhinitis", thus "runny nose") as it is titled in polish. In this novel, a former astronaut works with police detectives to determine weird cases of suicide, which seem to perfectly fit in to a certain scheme (the astronaut's experience and age fitted in there as well, thus he was a perfect candidate for a simulation), but do not have any proof of the existence of this scheme. After the climax of the book, it is revealed that the people killed were self-subjected to a fear-inducing chemical mixed from lots of different more-or-less everyday usage stuff, colognes, hair-stylers and the like, which in the end led all victims to their often gory deaths.

    Once again to you, mr. Lem - you damn smart bastard, it seems everything you wrote will come true in the end! :)

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    1. Re:Stanislaw Lem is a futurologist after all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Combinations of make-up have been known create reactions (including fear, anxiety) for the user.

      The way things are, it wouldn't be surprising at all. (me thinks most concerned can testify 'how things are')

  35. The bettter alternative by hackingbear · · Score: 1

    "Animals use pheromones to attract each other for sex, and warn each other of danger. Now, Wired reports, military researchers are working to harness the 'human fear' pheromone to create a scent of terror.

    I dont' understand: if they could harness the 'human fear' pheromone, why don't they harness the 'human sexuality' pheromone and release it in the battle field. Think about the possibilities: your enemy soldiers, typically of the same gender, upon smelling the pheromone, would drop their weapon on hand and start mating with their other guns attaching to pelvis; and you can do whatever to them: join them, arrest them, or take video and post to YouTube. And if you still didn't capture them, they would feel so guilty afterward due to their religious belief, quit, and go pray in their temple for rest of their lives.

    I'm absolutely sure that would be a lot more productive.

    1. Re:The bettter alternative by Harlequin · · Score: 1

      They're saving that feature for the Pentagon Christmas party.

    2. Re:The bettter alternative by spleen_blender · · Score: 1

      They kinda already tried this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb

    3. Re:The bettter alternative by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

      That will only work until they come up with some kind of Early Warning System.

    4. Re:The bettter alternative by netscan · · Score: 1

      Stupid sexy Achmed...

  36. paramilitary psychological warfare by eyenot · · Score: 1
    These sorts of things are rarely a good idea (chuckle).

    URL:http://citizenship.typepad.com/isebrandcom/2006/01/in_a_shocking_a.html :

    According to the National Security Archive, the document says that the Pentagon shouldn't explicitly target Americans with psychological warfare messages, but beyond that, "any leakage of PSYOPS [(psychological operations)] to the American public does not matter."


    This web site lists some interesting technology in the same category (whether you believe it exists is up to you):
    http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/electronic_harassment.html
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  37. Oblig Python (No, not the programming language) by billius · · Score: 1

    NOBODY expects the Pentagon! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to W.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

  38. We have nothing to fear except fear itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OH SHI-

  39. Already done? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    It thought they had alrady established a weapon of fear? Between our media and homeland security, I am surprised anyone still feels safe. Propaganda is the best weapon of fear and you don't even need fancy technology for that ;)

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    1. Re:Already done? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I am surprised anyone still feels safe.

      Why shoulld you feel safe? You aren't safe; in fact, you will die. Yep, you're gonna die. And it's not likely to be a clean death, either. You're going to have a heart attack, or a stroke, or have your body eat itself with cancer, or Al Scheimers will eat your brain, or you will have an accident, or be murdered. Hell there's even a remote (very very very remote) chance that a Muslim terrorist will kill you.

      But at any rate, you will die, all your friends will die, all your family will die, everyone you ever met will die.

      You are far from safe.

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    2. Re:Already done? by newsdee · · Score: 1

      Living is fatal.

  40. Oblig Dune comment by wizardguy · · Score: 0

    I must not fear.
    Fear is the mind-killer.
    Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my fear.
    I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
    Only I will remain.

  41. That quote about fear by traindirector · · Score: 1

    "We have nothing to fear except Fear Itself®"

    1. Re:That quote about fear by JonWan · · Score: 3, Funny

      "We have nothing to fear except Fear Itself®"

      and spiders

    2. Re:That quote about fear by BrianGKUAC · · Score: 1

      And Tripods.

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    3. Re:That quote about fear by JonWan · · Score: 2, Informative

      A million geeks on slashdot and I can't get anyone to post the rest of the quote.

      spiders, snakes, werewolves, sharks, dying alone, zombies, clowns, heights, big dogs, robots with human brains, Johnson's wife, and... fear itself.

      And on top of that I get modded up "interesting "

      Oh, Well....

    4. Re:That quote about fear by JonWan · · Score: 1

      and I can't read either.

    5. Re:That quote about fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>"We have nothing to fear except Fear Itself®"
      >and spiders

      And a terrifying mouse/spider hybrid that ensnares humans in webs in order to steal cheese...

      (twelvetyfive points for anyone who can identify *that* quote.)

  42. I love the smell of fear in the morning.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it smells like... Victory. Sorry just had to do it.

  43. Why? by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

    Because the Pentagon has too much money, that's why. With the U.S. military budget, the burden of proof rests on people who are against spending on any particular project.

    1. Re:Why? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      This is actually a good idea. If you make people fear your troops, fewer of each side will die.

      Of course, when both sides use it, nobody will get anything done.

      The only defense would be a love scent.

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  44. Is it just me... by nagora · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    ...or is the Pentagon staffed entirely with pathetic shits?

    TWW

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  45. Fear THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    war monger.

    P.S.: Would the software geniuses at Slashdot please post some info on how to see all comments at once instead of the current
    FUCK-UP?

    Thanks.

    1. Re:Fear THIS by creysoft · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Register for an account and set your preference for viewing comments.

      I hate the new system too.

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    2. Re:Fear THIS by Alzheimers · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Thirded.

  46. Larry Niven should be proud... by _14k4 · · Score: 1

    Because maybe they'll get the clue and make a weapon much like the vampire scent in his Ringworld series and people will simply start screwing everywhere they can. ...I'd so have one of those weapons in my basement. :P

    1. Re:Larry Niven should be proud... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      For pr0n?

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      ECHELON is a government program to find words like bomb, jihad, plutonium, assassinate, and anarchy.
  47. Scent of Aggression by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1
    I wonder if the military might get more than they bargained for if they try to use "fear pheromones":

    Afterwards subjects were asked to try and distinguish between pads worn by people seeing each film. The results showed that they could -- though subjects thought the smell was aggression rather than fear.

    Perhaps, as animals do, people respond to fear with aggression and so people are really describing what they experience when the smell the arm pads. Maybe Uncle Sam will drop a fear pheromone bomb on a pack of peaceful protestors and produce a violent mob...well, maybe that might actually be a good technique. Then the military would have a good reason to mow them down. Ok. I'm scared shitless now.

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  48. Useless, too much fear by burni · · Score: 1

    The treatment for fear:
    Beta-blockers are drugs to control blood preasure, they are also used in migrane treatment
    but it also has a fear controlling secondary effect, it is also given to animals
    before slaugther, so the stress hormones don't affect the taste of the flesh.

    It is likely that todays terrorists use these on their "humanbombs" to prevent them from
    acting suspecious and get identified too early, and the most likely cause,
    that they don't fear death.

    Too much fear:
    So these detectors especially in airport areas would create many false alert
    because of people experience stress while travelling or even flight panic,

    within highly controlled security areas the sight of an armed officer
    can cause much stress, even when the traveller has nothing to fear,
    and a situation with unfriendly and harsh security officers,
    would make it much harder to differ.

    So all in all nice tought but there is too much fear to tell terroristic fear or not.

  49. Scarecrow? by smokejive · · Score: 1

    Someone watching Batman movies too much?

  50. What did you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, it's not like they could declare a war on all wars that do not declare war on themselves.

    Personally, I wonder if there was a small typo and the "Global War on Terror" was supposed to be the "Global War of Terror" ... it certainly seems to fit the facts better, unfortunately.

  51. UN chemical weapons convention by gnalle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this consistent with the US supporting the UN chemical weapons convention? http://www.cwc.gov/ http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/WMD/cwc/ "The Convention prohibits all development, production, acquisition, stockpiling, transfer, and use of chemical weapons. It requires each State Party to destroy chemical weapons and chemical weapons production facilities it possesses, as well as any chemical weapons it may have abandoned on the territory of another State Party"

    1. Re:UN chemical weapons convention by amRadioHed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      They support it for other people obviously. The US can do whatever they want because... 9/11.

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    2. Re:UN chemical weapons convention by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Non-lethals like tear gas are considered harassing agents and the US has not signed any agreement banning them.

      Some countries do consider tear gas a chemical weapon, but there is IMO no logical reason for the US to give up a non-lethal riot control agent.

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    3. Re:UN chemical weapons convention by 0dugo0 · · Score: 1

      Article I
      GENERAL OBLIGATIONS
      [snip]
      5. Each State Party undertakes not to use riot control agents as a method of warfare.

    4. Re:UN chemical weapons convention by couchslug · · Score: 1

      One workaround is for technically civilian agencies like police and so forth to use them instead. Another is to classify an operation as "other than war".

      Treaties are amusing, but there is no logical reason not to use non-lethal agents in fighting, so I agree with working around rules like the above. If its fine and dandy to kill and maim someone, it is logically fine and dandy to use non-lethals to lessen the level of violence.

      UN forces using tear gas:
      http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=10768&Cr=liberia&Cr1=

      I doubt we'll see anyone prosecuted for using non-lethals instead of firing into a crowd. :)

      http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/4/3/214326.shtml

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  52. DHS logic to follow by Xelios · · Score: 1

    If you look like a terrorist, and smell like a terrorist, you must be a terrorist. It's foolproof, so there's really no need for a trial, really.

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    1. Re:DHS logic to follow by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      Can you blame them? If they went by behavior, they'd be taking themselves into custody. How are they supposed to get anything done like that?

  53. Will save millions of Lives by JamesRose · · Score: 1

    Just think about it, rather than people like George Bush having to declare war on a region and kill millions of innocent people, they can just drug the nation in to voting for them. Although I suspect rigging the vote again will remain the prefered option- tried and tested, and most probably considerably cheaper.

  54. Effectiveness against troops by Pinckney · · Score: 1

    If a chemical is developed to cause fear, you can bet that every other nation with the capability will quickly develop an antidote, either a substance to block the receptors keyed to this pheromone, a temporary chemical block to the olfactory epithelium, or something I've not considered. Regardless, a soldiers' ability to smell can be shut down without significantly impacting their ability to fight. Insurgents, while they may be forced to use cruder and more dangerous methods, will likely be able to do the same. This chemical is only likely to be effective at dispersing gatherings (much as tear-gas is currently used) or in the context of torture, as another poster noted.

  55. Wait a minute by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 1

    Isn't this biological warfare? Isn't BW illegal?

  56. Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about they fucking work on energy independence and securing our borders?

  57. Will the sheep look up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  58. If it can sense smell... by clam666 · · Score: 1

    ...I see a lot of slashdotters getting the rubber glove for their relatively poor bathing habits, weird beards, and fear of being on planes with actual girls and not ones that can inflate automatically or by breathing into a tube on either side (although, even if the girl isn't fully inflated, oxygen is flowing).

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  59. Smell-based terrorist sensors by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 1

    I understand that the phrase "smell-based terrorist sensors" is probably intended to convey the idea of a sensor that exposes people to fear pheromones to "magnify" whatever fear they may already be feeling. People who get super-jittery are assumed to be feeling the fear of suicide-bomb induced death, or perhaps the induction of fear into everyone who passes is supposed to make the terrorists get jittery and slip up.

    However, given how ludicrous those ideas are when one considers how many potential sources of fear there are in a person's life as well as the potential for suicide bombers to not actually be feeling any fear OR to not be significantly hampered by feeling extra fear, we are left thinking that the only reasonable explanation for a "smell-based terrorist sensor" is that the sensor goes around smelling people to see if they emit terror pheromones. That is, if we can isolate the human "fear" pheromone, then obviously terrorists, being terrorists, must emit such a pheromone in copious amounts because they are just chock-full of terror. Like a hound sniffing for drugs, we will have machines that sniff for terroristic intents.

    I would not put it past some people to construe this sensor to be of just such a type.

  60. Scent crimes by dyfet · · Score: 1

    So now, in addition to "facecrimes", we will have scentcrimes! 1984 Pt II.

  61. A Fear-o-mone?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too awful a pun to resist!

  62. I know that scent... by ProteusQ · · Score: 1

    It's the perfume my mother-in-law uses. She....

    Run! RUN!!

  63. So this is where the money goes. by rxmd · · Score: 1

    Military researchers are working to harness the 'human fear' pheromone to create a scent of terror.

    Is this part of the $340 billion that the US as the largest, single, R&D-performing nation in the world is annually pumping into future-related technologies?
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  64. how about a Gay Bomb? by cutecub · · Score: 2, Funny
    ... oh wait.

    They already thought of that.

    What a shiny brave new world we live in!

    -S

    1. Re:how about a Gay Bomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well now it's a Fear of Gay Bomb.

    2. Re:how about a Gay Bomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The LambdaBomb (a type of gay-bomb) has the following 'physiques package'. The primary consists of various disco music tracks which changes the S.O. of enemy forces. While they are busy [ packing fudge | hard linking /dev/penis > /dev/anus | boosting artistic insight and creativity ], the secondary is initiated: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/health/15infe.html?ref=science .

      Where moralists fail, microbes prevail!

    3. Re:how about a Gay Bomb? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Yes, which demonstrates at last the value of a classical education. The folks who looked into the idea of a Gay Bomb apparently never heard of Sparta.

      Instead of making the enemy go all swishy, our troops could well be facing opponents who've gone aggressive, horny and mean. At the very least, you won't be able to fault their unit cohesion.

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  65. Is this really what they want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.

  66. Wrong polarity by no-body · · Score: 1

    - should spend the effort on how to create more happyness!

  67. Prior Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conservatives already fear everything. So is it just considered prior art, or have they simply figured out a way to turn people into Conservatives?

  68. Interesting mix up... by GreatRedShark · · Score: 1

    Could you imagine if they accidentall deploy the wrong vial of pheremone, and release the "sex" odour instead of "fear"? It would give new meaning to "make love not war".

  69. Jacob's Ladder by water-and-sewer · · Score: 1

    That's great.

    I propose they call it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob's_Ladder_(film)/ Jacobs Ladder. One of the best movies ever, but it describes this scenario to a T. Way to go Pentagon.

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  70. Surreal by Deadplant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So congress is now officially, literally, irrefutably funding terrorism?

  71. I predict by MrCopilot · · Score: 1
    The scent detectors being used to measure the effectiveness of propaganda.

    These systems could unobtrusively monitor individuals within military operational environments or crowded civilian settings by relying on passive detection. It's like the Neilsens for Fox News.

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  72. Quick Fix? by Jefan · · Score: 0

    In other news, Al Qaeda just ordered 100 cases of gas masks...

  73. What will happen... by Bootarn · · Score: 1

    What will happen if a person, experiencing stress or fear for something not terror related, was to be passing by one of these sensors? Would military personnel still gun that person down? It's easy to make mistakes and later come with excuses like "He kinda looked like a terrorist to me".
    I pity the fools who believe this will actually work efficiently.

  74. Fear of Flying and the Opposite Sex by Jumphard · · Score: 1

    With airplanes being quite fearful to some, I have a feeling a fear-smell-based terrorist sensor at airports would give off quite a few false-positives.

    Additionally, do you think we'll soon start seeing "Fear Pheromones: If you can't make women flock to you, at least make 'em flee from you!" instead of the usual "Horny Bastard Pheromones" ads I see on every second site?

  75. A self supported dependancy. by 3seas · · Score: 1

    Considering that of the 6 billion plus population and the fact that its some fraction of 1% that are responsible for commanding warfare, be it legitimate or not (terrorism), the only possible use of such a weapon is to create the fear that motivates warfare legitimate or not (terrorism) which in turn creates the excuse for continuing the spending. Rather than spending it on more productive and terrorism excuse removing efforts which would promote peace and be far more effective against terrorism and so legitimate warfare.

    On the war on terrorism, the US is going to win it because they are going to produce the most powerful terrorism inducing smell....
    I believe its called "burning human flesh" smell.

  76. Ob. Sneakers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whistler: I want peace on earth and goodwill toward men.
    Abbott: We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing!

  77. Goatse by kabdib · · Score: 1

    Just unfurl a huge Goatse banner.

    Instant Cthulhu-class crowd mindwipe. "The horror..."

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  78. *sniffle* by Smordnys+s'regrepsA · · Score: 1

    I have Anosmia, you insensitive clod!

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  79. LSD and a crop duster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the tiny amount needed for an effective dose and absorption through the skin is more than possible, just ask albert hofmann.

    Fear can make people react in unpredictable and irrational ways, i know if it was me on the ground i would not want to be up against that, however this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ/ i could deal with.

  80. Scared = stupid by drewmoney · · Score: 1

    Yeah, good idea! Then you will have to deal with scared AND stupid! Scared people ALWAYS do stupid crap.

  81. The real story is... by RecycledElectrons · · Score: 0

    The real story is that if you dislike the security thugs, you will be labeled a terrorist.

    Same old tactics to keep TPTB in power, and to screw us little guys.

    Andy Out!

  82. Memo by hotsauce · · Score: 1

    Replace "terror" with "shock and awe" when we do it.

    There, all better now.

  83. What's wrong with you people? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    Why is it that every single time an article is posted about the pentagon, the discussion thread turns into a giant troll-fest? Don't you people have anything better to do? So far, 99% of the comments have been a variation of one of the following: 1) Oh noez! They'll arrest people for being afraid! 2) Itz CHEMACLE WEAPONZ! 3) Dey really R terrorists! 4) OMG 1984!!!! None of which are even close to being remotely interesting, let alone valid, points. Seriously, if you don't have anything intelligent to say, shut the fuck up. Or at least post anonymously so I don't have to scroll past your drivel.

  84. Obligatory Hitchhikers Guide by jeevesbond · · Score: 1

    Lintilla: See this device?
    Arthur Dent: Looks like a watch...
    Lintilla: It's a crisis inducer. I set it to Mk. 9 and ... Hurry, they're after us!
    Arthur Dent: Who?
    Lintilla: No-one! Come on, through the tunnel, they're coming!
    Arthur Dent: But...
    Lintilla: They're coming!
    Arthur Dent: Well, if you say so.

    Seems like Douglas Adams was way ahead of you and the Pentagon on this one. :)

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    1. Re:Obligatory Hitchhikers Guide by mikiN · · Score: 1

      Seems like Douglas Adams was way ahead of you and the Pentagon on this one. :)
      I think that's because he drank the Kool-Aid. Back when it still had vitamins A,C,I and D in them.
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    2. Re:Obligatory Hitchhikers Guide by mikiN · · Score: 1

      Sorry about the missing end tag. I think it must have gotten lost in the woods somewhere.

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  85. Hopefully it works... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally this will be a reliable way to keep those damn niggers out of my town.

  86. And their names are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they are called: DHS, CIA, NSA, DoJ, and the White House

  87. Warlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NERF WARLOCKS!

    ...oh...wait...wrong forum...

    1. Re:Warlock by monkeypuzzle · · Score: 1

      my sentiments exactly. I would appreciate it if the pentagon version caused a glowing skull to manifest above the targets' head.

  88. Oh, it will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take the scent of all those that voted for bush 2x. That is exactly what fear smells like.

  89. Is that fear - or just teen spirit? by punterjoe · · Score: 1

    Oh great. Now we'll be able to detain everyone who has anxiety about flying. That should cure overbooked flights.
    I'm just glad our tax dollars are being spent so prudently.

  90. Pentagon OP plz nerf kthx by entrex · · Score: 0

    Just what I want, the pentagon spamming fear bombs. THIS WILL RUIN THE WORLD of REALWORLD!

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  91. Actually, it does work by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    The problem is that it was released at republican convention, in which Haggard, Craig, etc were attending.

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  92. i think insted of fear.... by Coraon · · Score: 1

    they should look for, the sent of impending doom!

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  93. Military? by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

    The military is actively seeking to instill fear in its enemies. The military is terrorist? I thought the military was fighting terr-

    *head asplode*

  94. Problems.. by Velocir · · Score: 1

    From TFA, about the 2002 Viennese study: "though subjects thought the smell was aggression rather than fear." It seems to me like this could be a tool to provoke riots rather than fear, if the Pentagon can't sort out the misinterpretation issue. Ah empirical science. Doing things you didn't expect :)

  95. What's actually happening is... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is, of course, pure BS. It's just psyops. The goal is to make press releases about all kinds of non-existent technological advances in an attempt to discourage certain people from even trying to board aircraft.

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  96. Beamed weapon? by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering if an electromagnetic device could stimulate the fear centers in the brain??

  97. Weapons Of Mass Disturbance by Slyfoot · · Score: 1

    Introducing the FUD Missile.

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  98. Oprah effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA:
    Our findings indicate that there may be a hidden biological component to human social dynamics, in which emotional stress is, quite literally, "contagious."

    This isn't effin' research... I could observe this behavior everytime a woman sat down to watch Oprah!

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  99. FOX News by scoobrs · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be more effective to blast them with 24-7 FOX News at high volumes?

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  100. They collected what while skydiving?! by Tringard · · Score: 1

    FTA: The authors collected sweat, urine, blood, saliva, ECG, respiration, and self-report measures in 20 subjects (n=11 males and n=9 females) before, during, and immediately following their first-time tandem skydive, ...

    I can only imagine the joy of trying to pee into a cup while tandem skydiving...

  101. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but humans do not work that way. As humans evolved they submissed all senses except sight and earing. Touch, smell and taste do nothing for humans when it comes to fight or flight. The fear cycle basiclly has 2 stages rational and irrational. rational is when a human feels fear but can still make decisions and irrational is when a human looses all ability to rationalize and makes decisions strick on fight or flight.

    Using chemicals to induce irrational fear is simple. Get a crop-duster full of LSD or Ecstasy(MDMA) and spray the targed area, then use loud speakers with lion, tiger, elephant, police sirens and gun shots. along with very bright intense lights flashing, it will scare the crap out out. Someone did a test like above, but I can not remember it's name and who did it. Google didn't help much, but it took place in the mid 70's.

    All in all, this is a big waste of money.

  102. Don't fear the pheromone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not the "scent of terror". It's the "Smell of Fear".

  103. Wait, I've seen this before... by AmericanBlarney · · Score: 1

    So can I get my Scarecrow mask and a bottle of the stuff in time for Halloween next year?

  104. Vernor Vinge's "Rainbows End" - Belief Inducing .. by mikelieman · · Score: 1

    In chapter 8 of Rainbows End ( http://vrinimi.org/rainbowsend.html#CHAPTER%2008 ) , Vinge posits the development of a drug with enhances The Public's belief in something.

    Online Copy: http://vrinimi.org/rainbowsend.html

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  105. Miranda/Serenity by phrostie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    am i the only one who see's a parallel with Josh Weldon's Miranda from the Movie Serenity?

    this is just messed up

  106. A fear-inducing scent has existed for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the smell of coffee and donuts. Whenever you smell those two scents together, you can be certain the cops are nearby.

  107. They'll have to ban noseplugs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for obvious reasons.

  108. Not thinking this through by mpberry · · Score: 1

    The idea that one could detect a terrorist by smelling fear on them is patently absurd. How many people pass through an airport every day, afraid for one reason or another? Fear of flying, fear of not making the damn meeting/interview/whatever on time because my flight is delayed, etc. And more to the point, most terrorists aren't typically afraid. They are confident. Confident that they are in the right, that God loves them, that they will succeed and go to heaven and play with the virgins. They, like any other military operative, are trained to have an attitude of confidence and conviction in what they are doing, and not to be afraid. This is a huge waste of time and money, not just in the R&D phase, but in the sheer volume of false positives that will be generated (assuming the gov't meets with any success) Marc http://www.techne-eikon.com/

  109. Don't GAS me, Bro...wait. What me worry? by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    Use a GAS as a deterent is NEVER going to fly. Have these people at the Pentagon completely forgotten about mustard gas and World War I? Secondly, the environmental repercussions. Thirdly, a gas mask can be used to avoid inhaling the gas. (Suck it, Riot Police!)

    I think the best solution against stupid ideas for military weapons is for civilians to create protective equipment against it. I would really like to see someone invent the tazer-proof vest. If there is fire resistant equipment, bullet-proof vest, and buildings that can survive a bomb blast, then civilians need to develop technologies against tazers and energy weapons that use heat, sight, taste, smell, or sound against a growing threat of authoritarian government.

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    1. Re:Don't GAS me, Bro...wait. What me worry? by mikiN · · Score: 1

      I would really like to see someone invent the tazer-proof vest. Here you go. US Patent #7284280.
      Wanna make your own? Look here
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  110. Futurama... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

    Leela: "I'm afraid I can't tell with the smelloscope whether we hit them."

    Farnsworth: "Excellent, a direct hit!"

    - RG>

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  111. Not suren this is a good idea. by pugugly · · Score: 1

    Do we really want to start selecting for highly confident enemies?

    On the other hand, given that confident != competent - Can we get Bush to go work for the bad guys?

    Pug

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  112. Sounds like Jonathan Crane, the Scarecrow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So who gets to play Batman?

  113. lawsuit? by liquidf · · Score: 1

    they totally stole this from batman begins. jerks.

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  114. Terrorist sensors? by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doesn't this sound vaguely like the Cylon "detector" from Battlestar Galactica? Same crap from the sounds of it. Right up there with those E-meter things the scientologists use to evaluate your thetan levels.

    I wonder if that measurement of the flow rate of ketchup we paid for ever yielded any results...

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  115. Fox News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do they need a fear weapon when they have Fox News and the other newstainment channels?

  116. Nerf ! by DaTemPLaR · · Score: 1

    Nerf Warlocks with Fear-chain !

    Oh wait... What the...

  117. I thought this was called 'Advertising' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't fear the main reason why people buy the products they do at the supermarket?

  118. FDR was right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And now we have Fear Itself, manufactured and bottled by the U.S. government.

  119. Uh oh. Time to stop bathing. by oobi · · Score: 1

    Or get everyone to start smoking. (Bill Hicks ref)

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  120. Are they forming a Cobra Unit? by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    If they are working on "The Fear", then "The Pain", "The Sorrow" "The Fury" and "The End" can't be too far behind?

  121. only disappointment by GoodNicksAreTaken · · Score: 1

    I thought they'd be bringing back LSD25! Pheromones.. Meh.

  122. Our intellect makes this unlikely to be effective by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

    I think you may be right. The vomeronasal organ is vestigial or nonexistant in humans, and there don't appear to be any connections between even vestigial vomeronasal organs and the brain.

    All that may be true, but it's secondary to the fact that as beings with a higher level of intelligence, we are not subject whatsoever to pheremones. We can and do make our own decisions regardless of any of that. We have self consciousness, and are not slaves to our instincts as lifeforms with lower intelligence are. We often choose to do the opposite of what our emotions or instincts tell us. When people run out of burning buildings, firefighters take their lives into their hands and rush in to put it out, despite fear and anxiety. When we get bored at work, we don't just wander off to eat fruit or pick bugs out of each others hair. We keep at it, despite our personal feelings and desires. And on the battlefield, what soldier isn't scared spitless with grenades going off next to them and bullets flying everywhere? Yet they go in anyway, in spite of the fear. What are fear pheremones next to bombs when it comes to scariness? And even if fear pheremones really worked, why would they be any more likely to cause a soldier to give in to instinct and forsake duty than a bomb? I think, in the case of humans, fear pheremone research is a complete waste of taxpayer money. Committed humans are not deterred by fear.

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  123. I got your fear right here by billcopc · · Score: 1

    I think they've already succeeded.

    Just living in Canada, next to these guys, is enough to cast fear in our lives. I got no problem with the russians, the saudis, the czech, and all the other folks sharing the air in this country, but don't ever tell anyone you're American unless you like spit in your food.

    That Canada-US border is a 5000km-long liability, one we can't be bothered to guard because frankly, we're far more civilized than that. The day one of your fundamentalist political leaders decides to come after our resources, shit's going to get buckwild!

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  124. Re:Our intellect makes this unlikely to be effecti by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    "We have self consciousness, and are not slaves to our instincts as lifeforms with lower intelligence are."

    This is bullshit, many territorial pack animals act exactly like soldiers. Fighting when dumped in a war zone is human instinct.

    But I agree it's a waste of time, if fear had a smell we would all know what it smelt like.

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  125. Oblig. by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    Don't fear me, bro!

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    You just got troll'd!
  126. Cause AND Solution by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    You must consider that there has to be many reasons for people to send out stress pheromones, late for work, fear of flying, claustrophobia etc.
    How about being pissed that the TSA is slowing down your travel for no benefit and trampling upon the Constitution? In high school I had a sticker on my locker that read - "Stress: The condition created by the mind preventing you from choking the living shit out of someone who desperately needs it".

    And there is no reason that a suicide bomber actually is afraid - that phase may have passed over months ago and the person may have actually come to terms with his/her destiny.

    Right, the documentaries I've seen have shown people acting elated.

    So someone is barking up the wrong tree again...

    You're not in the Military-Industrial Complex, I see?

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  127. Ross Adey's work with the Lida by TechForensics · · Score: 1

    If the Pentagon wants something that works to alter mood at a distance, they should look up Ross Adey's work with the Lida microwave mood-alteration device. The Koreans were reputed to have used a variant as an effective brainwashing tool. However the Lida as tested by Adey was used principally for imposing quiescence in agitated individuals and crowds-- kind of a radio-frequency phenothiazine. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine creating different moods, or fear, would be feasible with a little re-engineering. This line of research is doubtless highly classified, but I can't imagine that would hinder the Pentagon. (They may have pushed to have Adey's work classified in the first place.)

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  128. ugh, the idiocy by e-scetic · · Score: 1

    Yes, release a stinky fear-bomb, heighten your enemy's senses and awareness, get their adrenalin pumping. Great idea, there. Nothing motivates people more than when they're frightened.

  129. Apparently - pher of pheromones, works too? by Rockin'Robert · · Score: 0

    It is not relative.
    It is infinite, and is relentless - because it never stops.
    RR

  130. From Silence of the Lambs( the novel) by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

    Hannibal: "...Can you smell his sweat? That peculiar goatish odor is trans-3-methyl-2 hexenoic acid. Remember it, it's the smell of schizophrenia."

  131. PTSD by Nezer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone who is now in the process of recovering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder this, literally, scares the shit out of me.

    It is simply stunning that someone can think this is a good idea. Fear is one of the strongest and most primal of all human emotions. Use of such a weapon (if it can even be developed) would be considered flat-out torture in my book. Anyone that has lived through the hell that is PTSD where your in a constant and uncontrollable state of fear would probably agree.

    I think it's safe to say that such a weapon would inflict some sort of trauma on the victims. Research suggests that 25% of the population will suffer from PTSD when exposed to a traumatic event (sorry I can't recall where I read this so it could be BS). A weapon that has the potential to leave 25% of victims exposed to this sort of delayed hell is incredibly irresponsible. PTSD can lie latent for many, many years (in my case it's been nearly my whole life).

    Just to reiterate, this is a really fucking terrible idea. Don't fuck with fear...

    Furthermore, scared people do some crazy shit. This is a very good and very powerful survival mechanism.

  132. Sith Detector by dunc78 · · Score: 1
    The Jedi should add this detector to their screening process to prevent the next Anakin.

    I post this is in great fear of the Star Wars nuts responding with great rage about possible inaccuracies or inpossibilities of my suggestion.

  133. To quote Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson... by 9Nails · · Score: 1

    I have confidence that Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson had all ready patented this since his catch phrase was "Do you smell what the rock is cookin'?" Yeah, he was brewing a big batch of fear. The kind that made wrestlers cry out for mommy with the full drama of a pre-school aged child. It's been done Pentagon. Move along. There's nothing to see here.

  134. good reverend mother! by sonoronos · · Score: 1

    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will smell my fear. I will permit it to pass through my nostrils over my nose-hairs. And when the smell of fear is gone I will turn and face the source of fear-scent, and only I will remain.

  135. Easy to do ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Walk up behind an American and shout 'boo' in their ear. They will sh*t themselves stupid.

  136. You'd probably want to use it on your OWN guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In "The Art of War" (thousands of years old and still an authoritative source on warfare), Sun Tzu writes that you *want* your guys to think they're about to be wiped out, because then they fight like maniacs. He also advises against surrounding / cornering the enemy, because they can suddenly become explosively strong if they panic.

    If this is to be believed, then hitting the enemy with "fear gas" could leave you facing an army of complete psychos who are suddenly 10 times tougher than normal soldiers...

  137. So, now they have to find a "Courage" weapon too! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    "Courage is not the absence of Fear ... It is the presence of Fear, but the will to keep going"

    So, since when is the Pentagon in terror business while fighting against terror?
    Which precedence of ideas are they trying to set to develop in other nations?

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  138. Bring it On (tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new scent from W.

    Also available in foot wash.

  139. The US used fear in the Cold War by PodBayDoor · · Score: 1

    Yes, but actually the US collaborated in the plausible fiction of the Cold War so as to maintain power. Gorbachev broke silence when the military cost of maintaining that fiction was too great for his country to bear.

    The current "cold war", the War against Terrorism, also uses real elements (like militant Islam and 9/11), but in the scope of its abuse of the rights of US citizens and foreign soldiers, it's also a plausible fiction.

    As for the original post, it's relatively easy to stop a pheromone fear weapon - just wear nose plugs. As usual, psychological means (such as propaganda) to create fear or to project power are far more plausible and effective.

    When considering fear, it's not soldiers on a battlefield you should be concerned about - it's voters on election day.

  140. Re:What could happen DOES HAPPEN. by __aazdqt2542 · · Score: 1

    The vomeronasal or Jacobsen's organ is present in the human but vestigial. We don't have tails, but utilize our hair of the head similarly. Pheromones make us feel "at home" and their lack, "homesick". Instead of using vomeronasal organs like animals with tails, the human being utilizes the largest field of pheromone sensory cells of any animal, almost the entire upper respiratory tract of the human is covered with pheromone-sensory brush border or microvillar cells. Now some believe that our microvillar cells are fundamentally different from the function of all those microvillar cells in all those other animal species, just as the same intellects believed that only human beings feel pain or see with their eyes. Of course, identical cells do not always do what their identical corresponding identical cells do in identical tissues in other species, but 99.9999999% of the time, they do. There are long traditions of less than stellar physiological research in America, and those are still defended loyally.

      And pheromones kill, too. Look up the Bruce Effect and Hilda Bruce's famous late fifties paper on embryo resorption. In humans, we call the similarly seen resorption "blighted ovum". Also in humans, sudden infant death syndrome is probably pheromonally induced by emitter parents. Then there's the autoimmune diseases, all of them, and cancers, many of them.
    Human beings don't have more pheromone producing glands than any other species for nothing. Human beings don't have more pheromone sensing cells and tissues than any other species for nothing. Human beings don't secrete the most extracellular pheromone receptor lymph (in the form of human tears) than any other species for nothing, either.

    I proposed the human alarm pheromone be researched and utilized by our armed forces. I even put fear cystals in a Batman movie. Come on! I got Lisa Simpson to do the alarm pheromone protocol on a Simpsons cartoon, even! Violent criminals are drawn to victims just as Lisa Simpson's bullies become addicted to victimizing others.

    Naturally, DARPA neglected to ask me about it, they're just a nest of scheming ..., well, you get the picture. The only reason you're hearing about the research at all is because they were too unskilled to realize that human pheromone components work synergistally as well as species specifically. That's what happens when you send techs to do a scientist's work.

  141. Re:What could happen DOES HAPPEN. by spun · · Score: 1

    Wow. Man, what a shame that wasn't posted in time for more people to see it.

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  142. Oblig. Foghorn Leghorn by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    "It's a joke, son."

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