I stand corrected. Appearently a simple apology WAS all they wanted. If they had just said that and stopped this whole "US must bear full responsibility for collision" garbage this could have been over long ago.
but I also happen to realize that a simple "I'm sorry" would have our crew home within hours
What makes you say that? They have yet to actually say our hostages will be released if we say "I'm sorry" (which we have) and admit complete guilt for this incident (which we haven't). They still have yet to come out and officially say what conditions have to be met for the crew to return home. They claim to be doing an official investigation and will not return the crew until it is over.
Minor point, we DO NOT know if appologizing will get the solders home. They never said that directly, they just keep asking us for an appology. If they were to say that, it almost becoming kidnapping and extortion, so I doubt that returning the crew home is directly tied with the US admitting false guilt.
But this is one of the reasons the rest of the first worls looks upon America with bafflement and disbelief.
Yet we have to constantly police our borders trying to keep illegal aliens out. Yet we have waiting lists of people who want to legally immagrate here. Odd, for a country the rest of the world looks down upon.
Well, that is akin to trademarking the name FTP and going after every FTP client for using your name. How many FTP clients do you know that don't have FTP in the name? Not many. Wouldn't you expect an SSH client to have SSH in the name?
SSH is a protocol, therefor it stands to reason that a product which sole purpose is using the protocol would want to use it in the name to indicate what it does.
I personally know some guys at IBM. The best way to sum it up is the managers look at Linux the way you describe, the coders and technicians truely believe in it and many use it daily. The push inside IBM (from what I understand) is coming from the bottom up, and it's getting stronger.
Also the linux/390 stuff is probably not going to encourage many people to go out and buy an s/390 (or a z/390) but those who already have one are jumping into this quickly. Several are already using it in a production enviornment.
Interestingly, SuSE is the ONLY good, up to date (imho) distro for the s/390, which is a pretty emerging market that will have plenty to spend on support contracts. IBM does not have a distro.
Insert obligatory "I'm too 3l33t to watch barbaric insulting sports, in fact I'm too enlightend to even watch TV, it's only for those who are under me on the intelligence scale." post here.
Sheesh, sometimes the posts here sound a little too close to the "master race" propoganda the nazis prattled on about. Just cause you are a geek doesn't mean you are superior to all who don't feel the same way as you.
I do this now since every single mail send to any address in my domain is forwarded to my one 'main' address. I usually fill out froms with emails such as spamfromrealaudio@domain.com or spamfromebay@domain.com with the intent of finding out just who is leaking my name. Or course, this is rarely sucessfull since most spammers don't disclose recipient lists (I'm assuming they just BCC everyone) so I rarely see the address used to get to me, but it works every now and then.
Sorry Michael, if slackware made you guys look bad or called into question the "throughness" of your research, but you screwed up. Again.
They have to deal with the fallout of people writing and complaining to them that they can't find 7.2, or that 7.2 is broken because of YOUR incompetance. Maybe an appology is in order, instead of more name calling. Rude indeed.
(note: I'm both a Slackware and a Slashdot fan, but clearly the blame for all of this lies with you guys this time. Show some manners and integrity.)
There isn't much BUT propaganda out there. Both have, and probably will continue to lie. I mean, they both had big plans for a huge budget surplus that doesn't exist yet (it's a projected surplus, not money currently in the bank). Gore hasn't said much about guns, what he has said he has been very careful about. He supports the rights of hunters, great but I own a handun for self defense and a semi automatic rifle for competition (which has been deemed an assult weapon for some reason). The Clinton/Gore record on the second amendment has been horrible, and recently they supported a justice department decision that the second amendment does not apply to the citizens, it applies to the government (making it the only such amendment in the bill of rights). Gore may not want to take all guns away, he he has time and again by virtue of the bills he supported taken away that freedom. I'm not looking at NRA propaganda, I'm looking at the facts, as you put it. Gore is no friend of the second amendment. However, I don't think Bush is a friend of the first so how does one chose?
As for property rights, one need only look at the Clinton/Gore record on the enviornment. They turned more land into "protected" land than any other administration in history. Sure, that sounds great on the surface, but many people have been screwed over because of this. I suggest you read Gore's book "Earth in the Balance" for his prespectives on property rights and how important he thinks they are. I'm all for the enviornment, but now if you find an endangered species on your lawn, your best bet it to kill it and tell no one, least you lose you land (I can point you to plenty of documented cases if need be). Reader's Digest actually does stories on this occationally.
How can I possibly trust a Bush, based on family members? How can anyone trust a Kennedy? How can anyone trust Daley? How can anyone trust the Clintons after the pattern of lies and illegal actions? The answer to you question is I don't. I don't trust Bush, but I certainly don't trust Gore either. Given that, I have to align with the one that most lines up with my personal beliefs. I'm for less government spending, lower taxes, and I'd like to see some kind of campaign finance reform. Which candidate do you think best aligns with these views? Arguably neither will want to reform campaign finance, but I'd like to trust the one that hasn't already violated campaign finance laws several times to have the best shot at it.
Both candidated are in favor of freedom, the huge difference is what they consider to be freedom.
Believe me, nearly all of my friends voted for Gore (or Nadar), they aren't influencing me a bit.
Lastly, as for the quotes, yes they are taken out of context. ALL quotes are taken out of context, that's what makes them quotes. However, the documented source is there if you want to find the context to most of them. The main point of the quotes is to show the Bill Clinton running for president, and the Bill Clinton after being elected. He broke more promises than George "Read my lips" ever did, yet people didn't seem to mind. Gore's platform seemed vaguely familiar to the one they ran on eight years ago, with many of the same goals. Goals and promises that many of us were still waiting for.
Sure, I've reviewed plenty of facts. Simply because my personal beliefs differ from yours is no basis to assume I'm not an intelligent person. I don't like either candidate but personally I wat a tax cut (like the one promised by Clinton when he was elected, I'm exempt from Gore's cut) and I want to ensure that my freedoms are not taken away. Gore is anti-self defense (I own guns), anti-property rights (I own property), and has a record of illegal campaign donations and lies. I just don't trust someone like that. I also have friends in the army and navy who hate the Clinton admin and fear they will die thankless in some third world civil war thanks to all the Clinton/Gore bungling. Looking at the whole picture I relunctently voted for Bush.
Just out of curiousity, what right wing facist views are you referring to?
Just a quick note from a PA resident regarding deer and cars. I don't believe there has ever been a time when I drove more than 20 miles in this state without seeing a struck deer on the side of the road somewhere (or several). This state is packed to the brim with these animals, and almost everyone I know has hit one at least once. To punish someone because of that is insane, blame the state and the anti-gun, anti-hunters (pretty much anit-everything) people who don't issue enough deer hunting licenses and who have turned hunting from a proud tradition into a hated, maligned activity. Now you have to deal with the over population of deer and the damage they cause.
Expect for the real quality zealots, most people (including me) will not replace TV with HDTV or VHS with DVD or D-VHS (unless we are forced). Why? Because the current quality is good enough. My TV is good enough. I can't justify spending a ton of money to gain a slight improvment in picture quality, at a loss of a ton of freedom. Right now, I can record and playback anything off my TV and VCR, I can rent/buy any movie I want, and I see no reason to give that up.
Make all the new devices you want, but if all the R&D is going into new features for the MPAA and company, with no real benefit to me, the consumer, I'm not interested.
Regardless of all that though the point remains that we (Europeans) have got copy-protectionless digital TV here and now.
Sure you do, until your broadcast and media companies realize the windfall of cash they can get from going pay per view. Greed is not only an American trait (although I'll admit it's more prevelant here)
Coming from an American I find it a bit whiney to moan that it's not the will of the American people, it's the government.
Actually, its the corporations that now own the government. I and my mechanic friend may do everything in our power to prevent this, but our power doesn't compare with the power of the rich corporations, who can buy the government's power to do whatever they want. We face a pretty bleak future if there is nothing we can do to stand up to a corporate owned state that can do whatever it wants to us. And you guys wonder why we want to keep our guns? It's the only form of power we still maintain. I honestly hope it never comes to a revolution but how much should we take?
Who will, the same people who currently watch it now. You think people are going to stop being addicted to soap operas, sports, cartoons (I'm going to have some trouble with that one) and all the garbage sitcoms that get such good ratings? To add insult to injury, I'll bet they still have commercials when this happens.
There would be riots in the streets if this happened overnight, but at the slow pace it's going, we as a society will slowly bend over and take without any serious complaint.
It's quite a clever plan, once you get past the outrage of it.
I see what you are saying but my problem came from what I precieved to mean that only this person had a "rational viewpoint" since he held a certain view. I guess this isn't what you meant but it came across that way.
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I stand corrected. Appearently a simple apology WAS all they wanted. If they had just said that and stopped this whole "US must bear full responsibility for collision" garbage this could have been over long ago.
Finkployd
but I also happen to realize that a simple "I'm sorry" would have our crew home within hours
What makes you say that? They have yet to actually say our hostages will be released if we say "I'm sorry" (which we have) and admit complete guilt for this incident (which we haven't). They still have yet to come out and officially say what conditions have to be met for the crew to return home. They claim to be doing an official investigation and will not return the crew until it is over.
Finkployd
Minor point, we DO NOT know if appologizing will get the solders home. They never said that directly, they just keep asking us for an appology. If they were to say that, it almost becoming kidnapping and extortion, so I doubt that returning the crew home is directly tied with the US admitting false guilt.
Finkployd
But this is one of the reasons the rest of the first worls looks upon America with bafflement and disbelief.
Yet we have to constantly police our borders trying to keep illegal aliens out. Yet we have waiting lists of people who want to legally immagrate here. Odd, for a country the rest of the world looks down upon.
Finkployd
The engineers probably still call it OS/390, and dutifully ignore the marketdroids, as we should too.
:)
Actually, a lot of us still call it MVS
Finkployd
I couldn't figure out why you said that until I saw your name :) Funny :)
Finkployd
Try telling that to someone who bought linux shares.
Linux doesn't have stock. Business who try a weak business model around selling a "free" OS and fail do not affect Linux in any way.
Finkployd
Well, that is akin to trademarking the name FTP and going after every FTP client for using your name. How many FTP clients do you know that don't have FTP in the name? Not many. Wouldn't you expect an SSH client to have SSH in the name?
SSH is a protocol, therefor it stands to reason that a product which sole purpose is using the protocol would want to use it in the name to indicate what it does.
Finkployd
I personally know some guys at IBM. The best way to sum it up is the managers look at Linux the way you describe, the coders and technicians truely believe in it and many use it daily. The push inside IBM (from what I understand) is coming from the bottom up, and it's getting stronger.
Also the linux/390 stuff is probably not going to encourage many people to go out and buy an s/390 (or a z/390) but those who already have one are jumping into this quickly. Several are already using it in a production enviornment.
Finkployd
Interestingly, SuSE is the ONLY good, up to date (imho) distro for the s/390, which is a pretty emerging market that will have plenty to spend on support contracts. IBM does not have a distro.
Finkployd
Insert obligatory "I'm too 3l33t to watch barbaric insulting sports, in fact I'm too enlightend to even watch TV, it's only for those who are under me on the intelligence scale." post here.
Sheesh, sometimes the posts here sound a little too close to the "master race" propoganda the nazis prattled on about. Just cause you are a geek doesn't mean you are superior to all who don't feel the same way as you.
Finkployd
Besides which i hate republicans.
:)
And we hate you, every single one of us
Finkployd
Yes, but the UN has no jurisdiction to enforce it. And without forcing countries into communism, how would they?
Finkployd
I do this now since every single mail send to any address in my domain is forwarded to my one 'main' address. I usually fill out froms with emails such as spamfromrealaudio@domain.com or spamfromebay@domain.com with the intent of finding out just who is leaking my name. Or course, this is rarely sucessfull since most spammers don't disclose recipient lists (I'm assuming they just BCC everyone) so I rarely see the address used to get to me, but it works every now and then.
Finkployd
Sorry Michael, if slackware made you guys look bad or called into question the "throughness" of your research, but you screwed up. Again.
They have to deal with the fallout of people writing and complaining to them that they can't find 7.2, or that 7.2 is broken because of YOUR incompetance. Maybe an appology is in order, instead of more name calling. Rude indeed.
(note: I'm both a Slackware and a Slashdot fan, but clearly the blame for all of this lies with you guys this time. Show some manners and integrity.)
Finkployd
There isn't much BUT propaganda out there. Both have, and probably will continue to lie. I mean, they both had big plans for a huge budget surplus that doesn't exist yet (it's a projected surplus, not money currently in the bank). Gore hasn't said much about guns, what he has said he has been very careful about. He supports the rights of hunters, great but I own a handun for self defense and a semi automatic rifle for competition (which has been deemed an assult weapon for some reason). The Clinton/Gore record on the second amendment has been horrible, and recently they supported a justice department decision that the second amendment does not apply to the citizens, it applies to the government (making it the only such amendment in the bill of rights). Gore may not want to take all guns away, he he has time and again by virtue of the bills he supported taken away that freedom. I'm not looking at NRA propaganda, I'm looking at the facts, as you put it. Gore is no friend of the second amendment. However, I don't think Bush is a friend of the first so how does one chose?
As for property rights, one need only look at the Clinton/Gore record on the enviornment. They turned more land into "protected" land than any other administration in history. Sure, that sounds great on the surface, but many people have been screwed over because of this. I suggest you read Gore's book "Earth in the Balance" for his prespectives on property rights and how important he thinks they are. I'm all for the enviornment, but now if you find an endangered species on your lawn, your best bet it to kill it and tell no one, least you lose you land (I can point you to plenty of documented cases if need be). Reader's Digest actually does stories on this occationally.
How can I possibly trust a Bush, based on family members? How can anyone trust a Kennedy? How can anyone trust Daley? How can anyone trust the Clintons after the pattern of lies and illegal actions? The answer to you question is I don't. I don't trust Bush, but I certainly don't trust Gore either. Given that, I have to align with the one that most lines up with my personal beliefs. I'm for less government spending, lower taxes, and I'd like to see some kind of campaign finance reform. Which candidate do you think best aligns with these views? Arguably neither will want to reform campaign finance, but I'd like to trust the one that hasn't already violated campaign finance laws several times to have the best shot at it.
Both candidated are in favor of freedom, the huge difference is what they consider to be freedom.
Believe me, nearly all of my friends voted for Gore (or Nadar), they aren't influencing me a bit.
Lastly, as for the quotes, yes they are taken out of context. ALL quotes are taken out of context, that's what makes them quotes. However, the documented source is there if you want to find the context to most of them. The main point of the quotes is to show the Bill Clinton running for president, and the Bill Clinton after being elected. He broke more promises than George "Read my lips" ever did, yet people didn't seem to mind. Gore's platform seemed vaguely familiar to the one they ran on eight years ago, with many of the same goals. Goals and promises that many of us were still waiting for.
Finkployd
That's the kind of self-important, superior, condesending attitude I was waiting for someone to use. Thanks, you made me laugh.
Finkployd
Sure, I've reviewed plenty of facts. Simply because my personal beliefs differ from yours is no basis to assume I'm not an intelligent person. I don't like either candidate but personally I wat a tax cut (like the one promised by Clinton when he was elected, I'm exempt from Gore's cut) and I want to ensure that my freedoms are not taken away. Gore is anti-self defense (I own guns), anti-property rights (I own property), and has a record of illegal campaign donations and lies. I just don't trust someone like that. I also have friends in the army and navy who hate the Clinton admin and fear they will die thankless in some third world civil war thanks to all the Clinton/Gore bungling. Looking at the whole picture I relunctently voted for Bush.
Just out of curiousity, what right wing facist views are you referring to?
Just a quick note from a PA resident regarding deer and cars. I don't believe there has ever been a time when I drove more than 20 miles in this state without seeing a struck deer on the side of the road somewhere (or several). This state is packed to the brim with these animals, and almost everyone I know has hit one at least once. To punish someone because of that is insane, blame the state and the anti-gun, anti-hunters (pretty much anit-everything) people who don't issue enough deer hunting licenses and who have turned hunting from a proud tradition into a hated, maligned activity. Now you have to deal with the over population of deer and the damage they cause.
Finkployd
Expect for the real quality zealots, most people (including me) will not replace TV with HDTV or VHS with DVD or D-VHS (unless we are forced). Why? Because the current quality is good enough. My TV is good enough. I can't justify spending a ton of money to gain a slight improvment in picture quality, at a loss of a ton of freedom. Right now, I can record and playback anything off my TV and VCR, I can rent/buy any movie I want, and I see no reason to give that up.
Make all the new devices you want, but if all the R&D is going into new features for the MPAA and company, with no real benefit to me, the consumer, I'm not interested.
Finkployd
I can just picture their bald, white labcoat wearing lawyer hold his pinky up to his mouth as he exclaims "Five Billion Dollars"
Finkployd
Regardless of all that though the point remains that we (Europeans) have got copy-protectionless digital TV here and now.
Sure you do, until your broadcast and media companies realize the windfall of cash they can get from going pay per view. Greed is not only an American trait (although I'll admit it's more prevelant here)
Coming from an American I find it a bit whiney to moan that it's not the will of the American people, it's the government.
Actually, its the corporations that now own the government. I and my mechanic friend may do everything in our power to prevent this, but our power doesn't compare with the power of the rich corporations, who can buy the government's power to do whatever they want. We face a pretty bleak future if there is nothing we can do to stand up to a corporate owned state that can do whatever it wants to us. And you guys wonder why we want to keep our guns? It's the only form of power we still maintain. I honestly hope it never comes to a revolution but how much should we take?
Finkployd
Who will, the same people who currently watch it now. You think people are going to stop being addicted to soap operas, sports, cartoons (I'm going to have some trouble with that one) and all the garbage sitcoms that get such good ratings? To add insult to injury, I'll bet they still have commercials when this happens.
Finkployd
There would be riots in the streets if this happened overnight, but at the slow pace it's going, we as a society will slowly bend over and take without any serious complaint.
It's quite a clever plan, once you get past the outrage of it.
Finkployd
I see what you are saying but my problem came from what I precieved to mean that only this person had a "rational viewpoint" since he held a certain view. I guess this isn't what you meant but it came across that way.
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