Bad news for you, Joseph Wilson, Kerry-Edwards, foriegn-policy advisor
(well, he was
as of the end of July, not sure as of today), was completely discredited by the
bi-partisan Senate Itelligence Commitee's report. It's pretty bad when
his wife won't even back up his testimony.
Do you have any more shrilled loony left propaganda to spread on/.? Times like these with so many geeks falling for conspiracies
and out right lies, makes it so hard to be identified as a geek in public.
It probably would and don't forget delivery vehicles like UPS and FedEx have those as well. Let me guess, the author of this stupid bill is a Democrat, right?
What reasonable price? I don't a single mention of price for this mini-ITX PPC. Reasonable price would be below $200 for a G3 version. I suspect it's going to be in the $400 to $500 range would be anything but reasonable. Opteron 240 and mobo or Amiga-One Lite with a G3, it's not going to be a hard choice for most folks when it's down to the same pricing levels.
Problem with the Faithful Followers Of The Name Cult is they attempt to do smoke an mirrors with hyping products that are mearly badged with a boing ball. If you all would just give straight answers minus the tital wave of fluff and spin, perhaps you all as a group would earn some respect. Perhaps that may be a too tall of an order for you to accomplish.
> This is why we need software like Freenet, the > government is turning into the soviet union. > These crazy maniac right winged pro mililtary > republicans want to make government so big and so > powerful that they can rob us of our freedoms and > we can do nothing about it.
Why those bastards! Don't they know that's the Democrat's job to steal our constitutional rights away to enslave us in socialism!
For one, Hinderberg didn't blow up, it caught fire and slowly sank to the ground. This is why most people survived it. Second, produce your own hydrogen at home as there are now kits sold on the Net for under $3500.
Actually, Islam controls Iran since it's a theocracy. Given Iran is working on superpower status with nuclear technology, it may soon be a super power via nuclear weapons.
But, I still think NASA should NOT get the funding for the follow on Shuttle program. I much rather see my hard earned tax dollars go to corporate attempts to commercialize cheap access into space.
Let's look on what worked and did not work in history of aerospace and aeronautics.
Civil Aeronautic Authority/Civil Aeronautic Board (forerunner of the FAA) did NOT design and flew their own airplanes to promote aviation. They let private industry do that by offering air mail contracts. When they (US Congress on behalf the PostMaster General) took back the Air Mail Contracts and made the US Army fly the Air Mail, it was an absolute disaster at the cost of too many US Airman lives. It was such a huge disaster, Congress put a halt to the US Army flying Air Mail and went back to private industry.
This should be a PRIME example on what has worked well and what disaster it can be with the US government handling everything.
> Genisi are not the only company. Eyetech also > produce PPC mother boards and you can actually > buy them unlike the Genisi boards (which they are > no longer making).
Incorrect, but nice try. Genesi is still producing Pegasus I board for developers. Genesi's Pegasus 2 model will be released sometime around Sept.
Now if Teron thinks this generic mobo is a POS, why on earth would anyone want to buy a BIOS doggled, generic MIA mobo? Oh yeah, it's got a Boing Ball decal and the Faithful Followers Of The Name Cult will buy anything with a Boing Ball. Funny thing is of course, Amiga Inc (who is being sued by Genesi for breach of contract and the trial date is set for 12-1-03) has nothing to do but collect royalities off of EyeTech and Hyperion's work. What a deal huh?
Has it ever occure to people that the bad guys will have a select number of CC accounts to use? Hrm? Great Spirit,/. is becoming a breeding ground of mind numbed robotic leftist who refuse to think for themselves. No wonder why VA Software is trading for less then a buck...
Actually, we need to shut down NASA from doing any more space transportation. Let private industry do it with their own money. If this would have happened a few years ago, RotaryRocket may have found enough VC funding to complete their project of a cheap SSTO vehicle. Let's just make it the technology that is actually created for and used in space transportation tax free for a given amount of years as an incentive to private industry.
It's quiet clear that NASA isn't going to do something wonderful any time soon, even if they had an unlimited budget. Just too many beurocrats attempting to keep their own little empire in funding.
Perhaps it's time that something like/. used it's respectiable sized based of readers to drive the first stake into RIAA's heart? I wonder how successful something like a/.'s OGG of the day would in generating interest in unsighned bands who allow free downloads of thier songs? I realize that it would be a big hassle for the/. crew to decide on which OGG is good enough (and if appropriate licenses are in effect) and setting the appropriate mirrors up. but it could be well worth it if it sparks a new paradigm.
IIRC, porting is minor, but there will have to be a porting job done to the OS and applications. I hope Apple gets smart and bails out an into x86-64. I can see no technical reasons why any modern OS should stick with PPC when faster and cheaper alternatives are available.
Amino/Amiga's DEad? Another one bites the dust. Who is going to trust a company that can't even ship T-Shirts and coupons for those stupid enough to pay out $50 for the Club scam? One would have though they would have spent that $51K on office rent and paying their phone bills. Guess that hasn't happened either.
Say, wasn't the DEad's SDK owners suppost to get a T-Shirt as well? Not to mention a major update last year? Guess the $50 club is going to be waiting a long time for their goods...
What originally made the Amiga so special was the intergration of custom chips with a user friendly OS. Between these two factors, it made x86 and Windows 3.x look and feel like crap. Best of all, it was CHEAPER then the x86. Then in the 90's disaster hit C= and the x86 finally caught up to the 68x series, then passed it.
Fast forward to today's situation. The owners of Amiga name (most of the IP is still owned by Gateway) have done about everything possible that a company shouldn't do. Lied, repeatedly and then failed to ship products prepaied for (Has any of the Amiga DEad SDK owners got their upgraded SDK after two years? Oh, how about those SDK T-Shirts). In a massive Venture Capital crunch, things get worse (or better, depends on who you ask), Amiga (as I like to refer to them as Amino/Amiga to seperate this era from others like Gateway/Amiga) allows HYPErion to develope a new OS, with no financial backing from Amino/Amiga, OS4.
AmigaOne.Five (or g3 or whatever they are calling this month) has zero to do with Amiga Inc, other then a licensed boing ball logo. No custom chips and OS intergration. I'm sure it's going to be a friendly GUI, but what's going to run on it that isn't in emulation of 68K code? If you know the sad shape of Amiga browsers, you know what I'm talking about.
PPC is a deadend. Power-Lite may have some life to it, but that is atleast a year off, if not more. The only good news I can point to about the AmigaOne.Five, if Amiga Inc goes belly up (They already were removed from their offices and phones shut off during the summer. They say they will have new offices and the phone was DOS'd by a autodailer (yeah, sure, that's the reason why it's down for so long with a message service has been disconnected)), HYPErion has legal authority to continue on with the name Amiga OS4 for developement.
So, got extra pocket change for this POP mobo and OS? Go for it or Pegasos by bPlan/MorphOS. If your looking for a real computer with the old Amiga magick, this ain't it.
Unfortunetly, this information came about from a none web source. Being a volunteer worker for my state's Fish and Wildlife, I can easy believe it being correct based on the huge amount of law suits enviromental groups have filed against us that are in the catagory of, "You got to be kidding me." If you think the enviromentalist in the US are unified, your sadly mistaken. Each has their own little speciality sphere of concern which they will defend with vigor.
My electric service provider is pretty well balanced out on alternative power generation.
http://www.fplenergy.com/about/contents/about_us .s html
>> Question is for which Amiga OS? Classic? H&P's >> wb 3.5/3.9? HYPErions OS4? Berniethlon? AROS? >> DEad? MorphOS? OH yeah, C='s Unix for the >> A3000Us?
> Ummm, UNIX isn't AmigaOS.
Yet it was an official Amiga OS for the unix A3000 (tape back up and all).
> MorphOS is a PPC kernel isn't it?
It also emulates the 68K code as well for supposedly seemless operation. IIRC.
> I haven't heard of DEad or Berniethlon before.
DEad (think it was orginally called Digital Enviroment, or something like that) is Amino (current owners of Amiga Inc) Tao-group's JAVA repackaged for PDA/Cellphone/STBs, now called AmigaAnywhere. There has been some pretty heavy spin posted on/. over the years on this subject. I guess it's getting long in the tooth as one post on MooBunny http://flyingmice.com/squid/moobunny/amiga/message s/74837.shtml shows things not going all that well for DEad. Berniethlon is just a nickname of Amithlon Version2 (Without Haage&Partner and Mr.Frank) release.
> Classic (typically OSes 2-3.1 but not excluding > 1.x) and 3.5-3.9 are not dissimilar (though the > later ones have undealt with problems) and are > usually what is meant by AmigaOS.
3.5 - 3.9's code (minus the grab bag of other code they may or may not have paid for from 3rd party developers) belongs to Haage&Partner and not to Amino (current owners of Amiga Inc). HYPErion is having to use AOS/WB 3.1 because they can't get access to source code of 3.5 - 3.9 for their HYPEOS4, which they own the source code.
> OS 4 depends on how Amiga like it is (if its a > freak good luck).
Again, that's HYPErion's product that eveidently can continue on develope for regardless of Amino or it's Amiga Inc legal status. One of the two really smart things HYPErion has done, get DOPUS-Magellon and a legal agreement that they can continue when Amiga Inc goes belly up.
> I even think the Amiga is pretty dead though, I > just wish there was a good OS/hardware thingy to > replace it.....
Once they (HYPErion and MOS crew) locked themselves into PPC, I know it was the end of the line. AROS (http://www.aros.org) and Berniethlon are the only two Amiga related OSs that I hope will survive.
I believe it was a North Western US state (Oregon perhaps?) that had several windmill farms. Animal rights group attempted to use migrational bird deaths to shut them down.
I wonder what enviromental impact study they would have to perform in order to show minimal amount of sea fairing birds that would be killed as they fly too close to those windmills...
I don't think it's the role of the federal government to force anyone to include anything that they do not want to include. OTOH, sueing M$ of breach of contract is another item entirely. If Sun can show damage done, I'm sure the court will force M$ to pay the damages plus whatever.
If M$ found and exploited a loophole in their contract with Sun, that's just too bad for Sun.
My neck of the woods for I-95 is already hell, snowbirds just make it worse. TriRail system, AFAIK, hasn't done squat for impacting I-95. County bus system is a joke with mostly empty buses rolling around.
This whole maglift is a boondoggle from word go. It's not going to do anything for us but shaft us out of more tax money. I rather see it spent on better roads, atleast I can use that. If others want it, put in their state (and fund it themselves) and when they can show massive impact on the roads, then I'll listen to such a project for FL.
This smells almost as bad as the FL (now Ronald Reagan) Turpike. Even after it was paid for, the fees continue to go up and up. The only worse thing will be of course, FL tax payiers will have to subsidize the fares besides paying off the bonds for this white elephant.
So let me get this straight. I get to pay for it's building. I get to subsidize it's fairs for tourist to use. The tourist won't be spending as much on gas, so not only will FL residents be paying for the above, they will also have to make up for the loss of gas tax revenues? Oh my dear Great Spirit! This is the way they are going to sneak in state income tax! The only thing that could be worse if Janet "Extra Crispy!" Reno gets in as Governor about the same time.
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Bad news for you, Joseph Wilson, Kerry-Edwards, foriegn-policy advisor (well, he was as of the end of July, not sure as of today), was completely discredited by the bi-partisan Senate Itelligence Commitee's report. It's pretty bad when his wife won't even back up his testimony.
/.? Times like these with so many geeks falling for conspiracies
and out right lies, makes it so hard to be identified as a geek in public.
Do you have any more shrilled loony left propaganda to spread on
It probably would and don't forget delivery vehicles like UPS and FedEx have those as well. Let me guess, the author of this stupid bill is a Democrat, right?
Dammy
Boat motors have had these for years now and they (as well as GPS systems) HAVE been submitted as evidence in fatal boat accidents.
Dammy
Problem with the Faithful Followers Of The Name Cult is they attempt to do smoke an mirrors with hyping products that are mearly badged with a boing ball. If you all would just give straight answers minus the tital wave of fluff and spin, perhaps you all as a group would earn some respect. Perhaps that may be a too tall of an order for you to accomplish.
Dammy
AROS - No Schedule and Rock'n!
> This is why we need software like Freenet, the
> government is turning into the soviet union.
> These crazy maniac right winged pro mililtary
> republicans want to make government so big and so > powerful that they can rob us of our freedoms and > we can do nothing about it.
Why those bastards! Don't they know that's the Democrat's job to steal our constitutional rights away to enslave us in socialism!
Dammy
Try this one, it's a low preasure version for $3K
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http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/hydrogengener
Dammy
For one, Hinderberg didn't blow up, it caught fire and slowly sank to the ground. This is why most people survived it. Second, produce your own hydrogen at home as there are now kits sold on the Net for under $3500.
Dammy
Actually, Islam controls Iran since it's a theocracy. Given Iran is working on superpower status with nuclear technology, it may soon be a super power via nuclear weapons.
But, I still think NASA should NOT get the funding for the follow on Shuttle program. I much rather see my hard earned tax dollars go to corporate attempts to commercialize cheap access into space.
Let's look on what worked and did not work in history of aerospace and aeronautics.
Civil Aeronautic Authority/Civil Aeronautic Board (forerunner of the FAA) did NOT design and flew their own airplanes to promote aviation. They let private industry do that by offering air mail contracts. When they (US Congress on behalf the PostMaster General) took back the Air Mail Contracts and made the US Army fly the Air Mail, it was an absolute disaster at the cost of too many US Airman lives. It was such a huge disaster, Congress put a halt to the US Army flying Air Mail and went back to private industry.
This should be a PRIME example on what has worked well and what disaster it can be with the US government handling everything.
Dammy
> Genisi are not the only company. Eyetech also
> produce PPC mother boards and you can actually
> buy them unlike the Genisi boards (which they are > no longer making).
Incorrect, but nice try. Genesi is still producing Pegasus I board for developers. Genesi's Pegasus 2 model will be released sometime around Sept.
Now if Teron thinks this generic mobo is a POS, why on earth would anyone want to buy a BIOS doggled, generic MIA mobo? Oh yeah, it's got a Boing Ball decal and the Faithful Followers Of The Name Cult will buy anything with a Boing Ball. Funny thing is of course, Amiga Inc (who is being sued by Genesi for breach of contract and the trial date is set for 12-1-03) has nothing to do but collect royalities off of EyeTech and Hyperion's work. What a deal huh?
Dammy
I think NASA has demonstrated that not only are they not capable of such a mission, they would just lie about it afterwards.
Dammy
Just take it to the UN, that should solve all our problems, right?
Dammy
Has it ever occure to people that the bad guys will have a select number of CC accounts to use? Hrm? Great Spirit, /. is becoming a breeding ground of mind numbed robotic leftist who refuse to think for themselves. No wonder why VA Software is trading for less then a buck...
Dammy
Actually, we need to shut down NASA from doing any more space transportation. Let private industry do it with their own money. If this would have happened a few years ago, RotaryRocket may have found enough VC funding to complete their project of a cheap SSTO vehicle. Let's just make it the technology that is actually created for and used in space transportation tax free for a given amount of years as an incentive to private industry.
It's quiet clear that NASA isn't going to do something wonderful any time soon, even if they had an unlimited budget. Just too many beurocrats attempting to keep their own little empire in funding.
Dammy
Perhaps it's time that something like /. used it's respectiable sized based of readers to drive the first stake into RIAA's heart? I wonder how successful something like a /.'s OGG of the day would in generating interest in unsighned bands who allow free downloads of thier songs? I realize that it would be a big hassle for the /. crew to decide on which OGG is good enough (and if appropriate licenses are in effect) and setting the appropriate mirrors up. but it could be well worth it if it sparks a new paradigm.
Dammy
IIRC, porting is minor, but there will have to be a porting job done to the OS and applications. I hope Apple gets smart and bails out an into x86-64. I can see no technical reasons why any modern OS should stick with PPC when faster and cheaper alternatives are available.
Dammy
Amino/Amiga's DEad? Another one bites the dust. Who is going to trust a company that can't even ship T-Shirts and coupons for those stupid enough to pay out $50 for the Club scam? One would have though they would have spent that $51K on office rent and paying their phone bills. Guess that hasn't happened either.
Say, wasn't the DEad's SDK owners suppost to get a T-Shirt as well? Not to mention a major update last year? Guess the $50 club is going to be waiting a long time for their goods...
Dammy
What originally made the Amiga so special was the intergration of custom chips with a user friendly OS. Between these two factors, it made x86 and Windows 3.x look and feel like crap. Best of all, it was CHEAPER then the x86. Then in the 90's disaster hit C= and the x86 finally caught up to the 68x series, then passed it.
Fast forward to today's situation. The owners of Amiga name (most of the IP is still owned by Gateway) have done about everything possible that a company shouldn't do. Lied, repeatedly and then failed to ship products prepaied for (Has any of the Amiga DEad SDK owners got their upgraded SDK after two years? Oh, how about those SDK T-Shirts). In a massive Venture Capital crunch, things get worse (or better, depends on who you ask), Amiga (as I like to refer to them as Amino/Amiga to seperate this era from others like Gateway/Amiga) allows HYPErion to develope a new OS, with no financial backing from Amino/Amiga, OS4.
AmigaOne.Five (or g3 or whatever they are calling this month) has zero to do with Amiga Inc, other then a licensed boing ball logo. No custom chips and OS intergration. I'm sure it's going to be a friendly GUI, but what's going to run on it that isn't in emulation of 68K code? If you know the sad shape of Amiga browsers, you know what I'm talking about.
PPC is a deadend. Power-Lite may have some life to it, but that is atleast a year off, if not more. The only good news I can point to about the AmigaOne.Five, if Amiga Inc goes belly up (They already were removed from their offices and phones shut off during the summer. They say they will have new offices and the phone was DOS'd by a autodailer (yeah, sure, that's the reason why it's down for so long with a message service has been disconnected)), HYPErion has legal authority to continue on with the name Amiga OS4 for developement.
So, got extra pocket change for this POP mobo and OS? Go for it or Pegasos by bPlan/MorphOS. If your looking for a real computer with the old Amiga magick, this ain't it.
dammy
Unfortunetly, this information came about from a none web source. Being a volunteer worker for my state's Fish and Wildlife, I can easy believe it being correct based on the huge amount of law suits enviromental groups have filed against us that are in the catagory of, "You got to be kidding me." If you think the enviromentalist in the US are unified, your sadly mistaken. Each has their own little speciality sphere of concern which they will defend with vigor.
s .s html
My electric service provider is pretty well balanced out on alternative power generation.
http://www.fplenergy.com/about/contents/about_u
>> Question is for which Amiga OS? Classic? H&P's
/. over the years on this subject. I guess it's getting long in the tooth as one post on MooBunny http://flyingmice.com/squid/moobunny/amiga/message s/74837.shtml shows things not going all that well for DEad. Berniethlon is just a nickname of Amithlon Version2 (Without Haage&Partner and Mr.Frank) release.
>> wb 3.5/3.9? HYPErions OS4? Berniethlon? AROS?
>> DEad? MorphOS? OH yeah, C='s Unix for the
>> A3000Us?
> Ummm, UNIX isn't AmigaOS.
Yet it was an official Amiga OS for the unix A3000 (tape back up and all).
> MorphOS is a PPC kernel isn't it?
It also emulates the 68K code as well for supposedly seemless operation. IIRC.
> I haven't heard of DEad or Berniethlon before.
DEad (think it was orginally called Digital Enviroment, or something like that) is Amino (current owners of Amiga Inc) Tao-group's JAVA repackaged for PDA/Cellphone/STBs, now called AmigaAnywhere. There has been some pretty heavy spin posted on
> Classic (typically OSes 2-3.1 but not excluding
> 1.x) and 3.5-3.9 are not dissimilar (though the
> later ones have undealt with problems) and are
> usually what is meant by AmigaOS.
3.5 - 3.9's code (minus the grab bag of other code they may or may not have paid for from 3rd party developers) belongs to Haage&Partner and not to Amino (current owners of Amiga Inc). HYPErion is having to use AOS/WB 3.1 because they can't get access to source code of 3.5 - 3.9 for their HYPEOS4, which they own the source code.
> OS 4 depends on how Amiga like it is (if its a
> freak good luck).
Again, that's HYPErion's product that eveidently can continue on develope for regardless of Amino or it's Amiga Inc legal status. One of the two really smart things HYPErion has done, get DOPUS-Magellon and a legal agreement that they can continue when Amiga Inc goes belly up.
> I even think the Amiga is pretty dead though, I
> just wish there was a good OS/hardware thingy to
> replace it.....
Once they (HYPErion and MOS crew) locked themselves into PPC, I know it was the end of the line. AROS (http://www.aros.org) and Berniethlon are the only two Amiga related OSs that I hope will survive.
Dammy
Question is for which Amiga OS? Classic? H&P's wb 3.5/3.9? HYPErions OS4? Berniethlon? AROS? DEad? MorphOS? OH yeah, C='s Unix for the A3000Us?
Dammy
I believe it was a North Western US state (Oregon perhaps?) that had several windmill farms. Animal rights group attempted to use migrational bird deaths to shut them down.
I wonder what enviromental impact study they would have to perform in order to show minimal amount of sea fairing birds that would be killed as they fly too close to those windmills...
Dammy
I don't think it's the role of the federal government to force anyone to include anything that they do not want to include. OTOH, sueing M$ of breach of contract is another item entirely. If Sun can show damage done, I'm sure the court will force M$ to pay the damages plus whatever.
If M$ found and exploited a loophole in their contract with Sun, that's just too bad for Sun.
dammy
My neck of the woods for I-95 is already hell, snowbirds just make it worse. TriRail system, AFAIK, hasn't done squat for impacting I-95. County bus system is a joke with mostly empty buses rolling around.
This whole maglift is a boondoggle from word go. It's not going to do anything for us but shaft us out of more tax money. I rather see it spent on better roads, atleast I can use that. If others want it, put in their state (and fund it themselves) and when they can show massive impact on the roads, then I'll listen to such a project for FL.
Dammy
This smells almost as bad as the FL (now Ronald Reagan) Turpike. Even after it was paid for, the fees continue to go up and up. The only worse thing will be of course, FL tax payiers will have to subsidize the fares besides paying off the bonds for this white elephant.
So let me get this straight. I get to pay for it's building. I get to subsidize it's fairs for tourist to use. The tourist won't be spending as much on gas, so not only will FL residents be paying for the above, they will also have to make up for the loss of gas tax revenues? Oh my dear Great Spirit! This is the way they are going to sneak in state income tax! The only thing that could be worse if Janet "Extra Crispy!" Reno gets in as Governor about the same time.
Dammy