A friend of mine had a Pack Bell in college (poor soul). He left the box in his car. IN the morning someone had broken into his car and put their Pac Bell in the empty box.
We can't just 'order a pizza' up here! And this 'air cassarole' isn't gonna tide me over much longer! When I get back down there its knucle sandwiches for all of ya!
People... tend to be really flaky, like people asking $500 for a Pentium 3 system. people are complete IDIOTS when it comes to listing their items. "Printer. Best offer." like a PC missing half its ram, being sold by a software programmer who played dumb
Yeah, I hate those Washington Post and Citypaper classifieds... you can't trust anyone. People are stupid all over.
Ledit is a starting point; I think we designed a CCD on it for a class lab. I also think it had some checks that looked for some basic rules violations; was there enough contact are for vias, how wide was your poly, etc.
As for the bigger and better software: Yeah, CADENCE, thats what we used! a few 100K, eh?
of course I didn't even mention less savory methods of getting the software because you and I are strictly above the board, right?
But the good software will model your design and you can run inputs and test the outputs; strictly in the digital domain. This takes out the surprises when you get your chips back from the fab.
It is kinda funny to think that you can design an 8-bit micro and it'll cost hundreds, versus going to the dump and getting a 486 for free!
There's no way you can learn chipd design without actually designed, building, and testing chips.
Not true; you use the software. Now, I know you said the software was expensive; but where there is a will, there's a way.
Ledit student version came with the book; so for under $80 you can start laying out a chip; go to a college campus and you could pick this up used for a song. I'm sure you could also get evaluation and free versions of Verilog, too.
As for the fabbing, yep, you gotta shell out some bucks to get your design implemented. But $500... thats do-able. No wife, no kids, no other hobbies... you can cough up that kind of money, just not too often!;)
There is a world of difference, the former is impossible, the latter is trivial.
How is it impossible to be a self-taught chip designer? There are these books like "Principles of CMOS VLSI Design" (Weste, Eshrahian) that are used to TEACH people how do design these chips! Cedra and Smith is another good one for learnin' about transistors and semiconductors.
I'm not saying you can set up a chip-fab in your closet but you can learn all this stuff.
The first playstation had issues (ever met anyone who had to turn their unit upsidedown?), the playstation 2 had issues, the NEW playstation 2 has issues...
Do not buy new sony products! By the second/third gen! They're usually cheaper, too. (for the record: My PS2 has been operating on its side for 2-3 years with no problem; I heard that running then sideways was the kiss-of-death for the first ones)
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Ooops. my Bad (Like I said, IANAL). In fact, I think I KNEW that HardOCP filed first, and promptly forgot!
Those are to be submitted to the Judge within 15 days of the opinion. This *IS* the countersuit, BTW. (No, IANAL)
A friend of mine had a Pack Bell in college (poor soul). He left the box in his car. IN the morning someone had broken into his car and put their Pac Bell in the empty box.
We can't just 'order a pizza' up here!
And this 'air cassarole' isn't gonna tide me over much longer! When I get back down there its knucle sandwiches for all of ya!
"Top Brass has gone all slopey shoulders saying quote 'every'fing was all tickey-boo last week...'"
That was a WOPR of a quote!
those 11-year-olds had more articulate observations to make than most of the stuff posted on Slashdot,
WTF?! STFU!!11 OMG I'm totally asuper geneuous compared to a moran like you!!!!11111one!
People ... tend to be really flaky,
like people asking $500 for a Pentium 3 system.
people are complete IDIOTS when it comes to listing their items. "Printer. Best offer."
like a PC missing half its ram, being sold by a software programmer who played dumb
Yeah, I hate those Washington Post and Citypaper classifieds... you can't trust anyone. People are stupid all over.
Oh wait, what where you talking about again?
Yeah, GMT is for dorks. I'm all about Zulu time!
[obvious]
L-edit isn't a starting point for digital layout. Never was.
Well... it was for us? But given that the learning environment at our university was learning out of spite for the professor, it doesn't surprise me.
need I mention who Ada was?
Ada, and her strong typing, are currently the bane of my existence. Why can't you be more like C?!?!?!
Ledit is a starting point; I think we designed a CCD on it for a class lab. I also think it had some checks that looked for some basic rules violations; was there enough contact are for vias, how wide was your poly, etc.
;)
As for the bigger and better software: Yeah, CADENCE, thats what we used! a few 100K, eh?
So how many 5 1/4 floppy disks is it?
of course I didn't even mention less savory methods of getting the software because you and I are strictly above the board, right?
But the good software will model your design and you can run inputs and test the outputs; strictly in the digital domain. This takes out the surprises when you get your chips back from the fab.
It is kinda funny to think that you can design an 8-bit micro and it'll cost hundreds, versus going to the dump and getting a 486 for free!
There's no way you can learn chipd design without actually designed, building, and testing chips.
;)
Not true; you use the software. Now, I know you said the software was expensive; but where there is a will, there's a way.
Ledit student version came with the book; so for under $80 you can start laying out a chip; go to a college campus and you could pick this up used for a song. I'm sure you could also get evaluation and free versions of Verilog, too.
As for the fabbing, yep, you gotta shell out some bucks to get your design implemented. But $500... thats do-able. No wife, no kids, no other hobbies... you can cough up that kind of money, just not too often!
There is a world of difference, the former is impossible, the latter is trivial.
How is it impossible to be a self-taught chip designer? There are these books like "Principles of CMOS VLSI Design" (Weste, Eshrahian) that are used to TEACH people how do design these chips! Cedra and Smith is another good one for learnin' about transistors and semiconductors.
I'm not saying you can set up a chip-fab in your closet but you can learn all this stuff.
It "was altered"? By who?
;)
By Intelligent Design.
makes a nice impromptu dental dam.
The Integral of e to the x equals f of u sub n,
which looks like
Sex = Fun.
Wow. Ascii sure takes the fun out of a high school math joke!
The first playstation had issues (ever met anyone who had to turn their unit upsidedown?), the playstation 2 had issues, the NEW playstation 2 has issues...
Do not buy new sony products! By the second/third gen! They're usually cheaper, too. (for the record: My PS2 has been operating on its side for 2-3 years with no problem; I heard that running then sideways was the kiss-of-death for the first ones)
Walkmans used to take major beatings and they'd still function.
They did?! All it took was 1 trip to the beach to ruin a perfectly fine Sony walkman.
honestly - how do people turn out such a faulty product? it seems the hardware would be the hard part - why is the software so shoddy?
I know, and it doesn't look like Microsoft is getting any better...
wait, whats that? Oh, I'm sorry! Wrong company! Never mind!
wow! How did you know that I was a faggot?! I didn't tell anyone here that I was a bundle of sticks!
but knowing the secret SA handshake isn't cool anymore
Wait! SA was cool?! WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, DORKUS?! haha!
means you're a stupid bandwagon jumping dweeb.
No, we've already established it. I'm a faggot! Asked and answered.
Try again three years ago.
Your mastery of tenses and time frames has blown my mind. Oh! oh! Use the pluperfect tense next!!!
UNF.
He cannot use icq right now he has gone down the stairs.
pak. chooie. unf.
In order to push bread down their throats.
Do you have stairs in your house?