This is not nearly as dangerous as downing a couple of perkacets (sp?) (or insert a favorite benzediazapene here) and a couple of ritalin, or some other crank/crank-substitute (bronchiol dialators accepted, but frowned upon).
Actually in the given situation of a lan party, you get just enough jolt/glaze over to get into some serious fragging, thus buying your body time to process.
and for the record, yes red bull is vile. It's got this chemical yet bubble gum flavor. It reminds me of a candy-raver after a looong night of sweaty dancing. but I'm not drinking it for taste. Chances are I've got a final tommorrow and work kept me too busy to study enough during the week. Continuing education? Nah, I learned all I needed to know about allnighters in undergrad.
Easy- go to an indian/asian grocery store. We have tons in the MD/VA/DC area. Heck, you can get Garam Masala by the bag, if you please (laxmi brand comes to mind)(I prefer to get the leaves/pods/seeds, then crush them myself in my coffee grinder). You can usually ask for help in those small shops and they're very nice (that's how I learned about using fish paste to make fish cakes for singapore style curry noodles.)
Yes it is an expensive outlay in the beginning, but if you dig food and the way it tastes, you will never go to a restaurant again (unless you want samosas or naan. Those are a pain to make on yr own)
I tried calling my contact in Cali (whose spices I inherited) but I guess he's not up yet, so I can't give you any stores yet.
P.S.- Trader Joes Chicken pot sticker gyoza are the BOMB!!! 3 on plate, 1:20 on high, and you got some cheap bangin' eats!
This needs to be a two front war. The first front is the aggressive advocacy. However with increased spotlight (both good and bad) comes increased scrutiny.
There are many tasks that linux can handle with aplomb. And for those things that it doesn't, we need to get working on it.
Heck, get both! But yes, the beauty of the Mick/Bowie thing is the interplay between Bowie's slick writing and Mick RAW POWER. (not to be confused with the stooges!)
I saw an interview with Bowie onsome documetnary that was on public television where he describes how he tried to get the whole band into his new androgeny look, including make-up, etc. And how, MIck was from Holt, and they just don't do that kind of thing there. SO Bowie had to resort to a lot of lies an deceit; "Hey Mick, you looked very green on stage tonight, yeah, something about the stage lighting. Maybe you should try a little rouge?"
Of course, after the boys started getting laid like crazy it was much easier to put some make-up on them!
I am not that starved for entertainment, so I have no problems waiting for it to come out on DVD.
Also, having pop up ads would force you to subscribe to HBO, et al, simply to get more crap free content. I really do find commercials irritating as it is...
"None of this might be happening if traditional 30-second commercials got more respect. "
Oh wait, so its MY fault that your commercials SUCK? I'm to blame for the fact that I'd much rather prefer reading blinky-text html than watch nearly every car commercial?
Let me get this straight, I watch a movie, and then its temporarily obscured by your stupid advertisment... Is Blockbuster sponsoring this?
I thought american car manufacturers were just paying lip service to people about alternative fuel cars, producing the most bloated, ineffectual monstrocities possible simply so that concerned citizen could shrug it off and say "at least they tried" while they drive off in their Zaibatsu Monstrocity.
Maybe its the radical re-design that will scare off people... and I'm sure a number of "Hydrogen is dangerous!" reports (perhaps authored by the Alexis DeToqueville sell outs!) will circulate for just long enough to FUD alternative fuel cars into the ground.
I just read what I wrote. Gee, someone got up on the cynical conspiracy side of the bed!
But For the longest time I was running 8.5 (*NOT* 8.6, 8.5!) simply becuase I never had to reboot. If it isn't broke, don't fix it! (however when I wanted some more applscript support and usb I had to upgrade to 8.6)
P.S.- not only does that machine still boot into 8.6 and linuxppc, but it also boots into 7.6! Why? I have some old sound apps that only run under it. So be it.
Heck, if I want to use my powermac as a glorified Apple ][gs (running bernie ][ the rescue!) I can do that too! I'm crazy!(plus it also lets me play NEUROMANCER)
Yr right, yr right, yr right. Sorry, the product of a sleep deprived brain.
The best thing we could hope for is for a LUG to periodically slip a bunch of their business cards around the linux box area, and maybe get a little chummy with the store clerks ("Hey, you can keep more sales and not have to provide any support if you just slip your customers one of these business cards!")
What if joe sixpack is a cheapskate, is scared of microsoft word (just hitting "enter" and getting that new line to start off with a lowercase letter! ), and is willing to deal with some free stuff and get on that there internet thing.
If walmart can provide support or go if each store goes in league with some LUGs that have a hankering to do some missionary work this could go over well.
That way they sell you a system on the double cheap, for glaring problems they have some linux guy come in a few days a week, OR they say "here, get in touch with these guys."
Think about it, someone could get paid to help a noob with lilo.conf,installing devices,and anything in/etc!
Of course, most linux hackers are socially inept geeks* who haven't the foggiest about customer service. Hey, wait, that describes about 90% of the people who currently fill customer service positions! These geeks are naturals!!
*(yeah yeah yeah, erroneous broad sweeping generalization. I'm not trolling, I'm being funny. Ha. There. Look, I had 2 hours of sleep last night (unit test and fix test deadline RIGHT NOW)...)
however in times of "National Emergency" previously "granted" rights (both those that are explicitly granted in the Constitution and those that as you say aren't claimed by them) can be taken away. A good example is japanese interrment(sp?) during WWII. Still "good law" (despite the army lying about the threat) according to be soon-to-be-lawyer wife.
The usual IANAL, but my understanding of how it is in America, is that all of your rights and freedoms are granted to you by the state (I don't mean like in the 50 states of the US, I mean the more abstract "state") and as such they have the right to restrict your freedoms to a degree.
Yes, the bill of rights grants the freedom to move, but not to tresspass. This is the same logic that puts the FCC in charge of the "air" and its bandwith spectrum.
Now, on to your public transpo comment:
unless you get to an underground station (I must admit I don't know much about London public transpo) you still have to use the roads (from what I understand you wouldn't want to use the rails!) and if there is more traffic the public transpo bus is bottlenecked by all the damn cars! So if you reduce the number of cars on the road, you improve the efficiency of buses, thus making them a more attractive alternative. You have to boot-strap somehow!
To bring this bad bwoy back onto topic- I wonder what the half-life (pun intended) of most mods are. And for that matter, given the necessary hardware update, I wonder what the full lifecycle of a mod-player is- from newbie to retired geriatric in 1 year? Under a year?
That's why I stick to consoles.
P.S. -Makes me want to listen to "Twiggy twiggy" by Pizzicato 5...
"Only by pushing himself to the very edge of coherence was Lang able to transcend the schematic moralizing that keeps so much science fiction tethered, ultimately, to the mundane."
Personally, I push my perl code to the very edge of coherence in order to "transcend the schematic moralizing"... but YMMV.
I can't think of a better post-modern super hero than Bruce Campbell. Heck, even the satiric edge we've all come to associate him with (army of darkness, et al) works perfectly! Come on, now that we're adults we shouldn't be eating chicken and stars soup and we shouldn't be expected to have a total suspension of disbelief...
SO you go to the corner store, buy a sixer, and as you get your change from the clerk (Assuming you didn't pay with plastic) you see it right there:
maybe an easter seal's "Give us a quarter" thingie, a box to help Jerry Lewis save the kids, but some sort of receptacle asking for your change. Hey, it's a dime! Who cares?
It would be cool if you could set something up like this on-line. Right befor you confirm every purchase there is a button that says "Round up to the nearest dollar and donate that to the OSS Foundation"- it would never be more than a dollar, and you could set it up in your "shopping profile" to do it automagically.
Or if you don't trust the online merchants, maybe your online credit card will do it for you- just like Click Citi gives you money back on your online purchases, they instead say "last month you charged $XXXXXXXX, paid for it, and generated $xx(note the small X's!) for the OSS Foundation" They can easily move the money around and if you don't trust them with your money, DON'T USE A CREDIT CARD!
Now, assume there is some OSS foundation specifically for handling donations (which I assume would be easily auditable, since you could check 'em out on sourceforge!) and this would be a cinch!
We got it. Its the "net."
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Aren't there clans that combat on the net?!
Can't the PS2 via TONY HAWK ]I[ internet up and play other consoles?
At the mall down the street they have a bunch of machines networked and when I'm there when the kids are, thats where they're playing.
When you have a high concentration of young'ins (i.e. college dorm) you get them crowding around arcade games, consoles in rooms, heck, even crowded around my mac going head to head on a tron light-cycles ripoff (called nort!). When you get older, and have a house, and move out, etc. etc. networking is where its at.
We are not losers playing video games by ourselves! We are losers playing videogames with other losers!
Shoes have established an incredible and enviable market penetration. In fact, they are legislated as a need for the right of entry into certain establishments! (along with shirts)
The easy case is that of children, who frequently need to upgrade their footwear simply due to size.
Another easy case is simple wear and tear. If you keep slapping something on the pavement and slogging it through rainy streets, eventually you will need a new one.
However the cobblers of the world have "conspired" with marketing types and have created a "fashion industry", whereby yearly dictates go out and as a result new shoes have to be purchased.
I admit, I am somewhat immune to these trends. I still have a 6 year old macintosh dual booting into linux with enough life left in it to grade students assignments. I also only have a few pairs of shoes.
However my wife and my sister are 31337 in terms of having the latest and greatest "walking processors", or footwear.
The other day when I was forced to surf the web on my phone since my wireless PDA was being used to open a bottle of Corona Extra (la cerveza mas fina) I came upon your idea on slashdot where you proposed a spider-web launching add on. Needless to say, I was shocked! So once the beer was opened I used my Handspring PDA as a telephone and called my VC buddy immediately (though he didn't answer- after he installed that Golf Tee extension to his Nokia we can't get him off the links!)
Nonetheless I know he would be interested in funding such a usefull gizmo as he has a successful track record of supporting innovation.
If you are interested I can use my wristwatch to take a digital picture of the contract and fax it to your blue tooth enabled microwave ASAP.
Things are heating up!
Mekka Berzerkor, C.E.O.
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"The event I fear most is a physical attack in conjunction with a successful boogie-attack from the responders' closet or underneath their bed," Ronald Dick, director of the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center, told a closed gathering of corporate security executives hosted by Infraguard in Niagara Falls on June 12.
Yes, however IMHO this is still within the realm of a legal assistant.
How so? They have to have some cognizance(sp?) of licensing issues, since they are accusing ScummVM of violating it. Perhaps the LA checked it over quickly with an associate and said "Hey, if they are using our ip (playing our games), can they lisence it under GPL?" Phrased that way, the answer is an emphatic NO! Also anyone can "claim" some ip to be under a certain license, but if you are a small time Open Source project, they may think you don't have the legal where-withall (again, sp?) to license your way out of a paper sack!
So I concede yes- this is tailored to the situation. However I think this was the IP lawyers having the assistants troll for work!
Where are your numbers from? Mine are current as of this summer, prestigious DC firm prices. I know that in North Dakota a senior partner's time costs $150 an hour.
As for summer associates, same dc firm, and they get paid just under $50 an hour. But getting billed out at $400??!?! That's crazy!
This is a boiler plate letter. They had a legal assitant (billing rate: usually under $100. Pay rate: $15? plus overtime.) do the research on the web. Criteria: does this allow someone to play LEC games? If yes, fill in the blanks and send the letter. Charge the client. Go home happy.
Given the response, this may get boiled up to a summer associate (hasn't passed the bar but has somewhat of a clue regarding the law) (bill rate: $125) or (egads!) and associate (a *real* lawyer) (bill rate $150 min.) who will weigh the ScummVM developers claims and decide wether to persue.
If they investigate the research on the "applicable state laws" will be given to a Legal assistant or a summer associate and that will determine the amount of work necessary to determine if ScummVM is an actual infringement.
I'm not saying LEC is poor, but I doubt they will waste their money past here.
there will be enough on line sellers who don't trust what MSFT is shovelling. They will not move to palladium systems. In addition, larger on line sellers will have a palladium and a non-palladium site. Given that there are corners of the population that aren't Open Source advocates who are simply content to use what computer they have while it still works (i.e. my parents) they wouldn't dare alienate potential customers.
Also, this gives more work for internet programmers! We/they now have to develop sites that will seamlessly test what you have and send you to the appropriate site!
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This is not nearly as dangerous as downing a couple of perkacets (sp?) (or insert a favorite benzediazapene here) and a couple of ritalin, or some other crank/crank-substitute (bronchiol dialators accepted, but frowned upon).
Actually in the given situation of a lan party, you get just enough jolt/glaze over to get into some serious fragging, thus buying your body time to process.
and for the record, yes red bull is vile. It's got this chemical yet bubble gum flavor. It reminds me of a candy-raver after a looong night of sweaty dancing. but I'm not drinking it for taste. Chances are I've got a final tommorrow and work kept me too busy to study enough during the week. Continuing education? Nah, I learned all I needed to know about allnighters in undergrad.
Easy- go to an indian/asian grocery store. We have tons in the MD/VA/DC area. Heck, you can get Garam Masala by the bag, if you please (laxmi brand comes to mind)(I prefer to get the leaves/pods/seeds, then crush them myself in my coffee grinder).
You can usually ask for help in those small shops and they're very nice (that's how I learned about using fish paste to make fish cakes for singapore style curry noodles.)
Yes it is an expensive outlay in the beginning, but if you dig food and the way it tastes, you will never go to a restaurant again (unless you want samosas or naan. Those are a pain to make on yr own)
I tried calling my contact in Cali (whose spices I inherited) but I guess he's not up yet, so I can't give you any stores yet.
P.S.- Trader Joes Chicken pot sticker gyoza are the BOMB!!! 3 on plate, 1:20 on high, and you got some cheap bangin' eats!
This needs to be a two front war.
The first front is the aggressive advocacy. However with increased spotlight (both good and bad) comes increased scrutiny.
There are many tasks that linux can handle with aplomb. And for those things that it doesn't, we need to get working on it.
And yes I mean we. So how can *I* help?
Heck, get both!
But yes, the beauty of the Mick/Bowie thing is the interplay between Bowie's slick writing and Mick RAW POWER. (not to be confused with the stooges!)
I saw an interview with Bowie onsome documetnary that was on public television where he describes how he tried to get the whole band into his new androgeny look, including make-up, etc. And how, MIck was from Holt, and they just don't do that kind of thing there. SO Bowie had to resort to a lot of lies an deceit; "Hey Mick, you looked very green on stage tonight, yeah, something about the stage lighting. Maybe you should try a little rouge?"
Of course, after the boys started getting laid like crazy it was much easier to put some make-up on them!
I am not that starved for entertainment, so I have no problems waiting for it to come out on DVD.
Also, having pop up ads would force you to subscribe to HBO, et al, simply to get more crap free content. I really do find commercials irritating as it is...
"None of this might be happening if traditional 30-second commercials got more respect. "
Oh wait, so its MY fault that your commercials SUCK? I'm to blame for the fact that I'd much rather prefer reading blinky-text html than watch nearly every car commercial?
Let me get this straight, I watch a movie, and then its temporarily obscured by your stupid advertisment... Is Blockbuster sponsoring this?
I thought american car manufacturers were just paying lip service to people about alternative fuel cars, producing the most bloated, ineffectual monstrocities possible simply so that concerned citizen could shrug it off and say "at least they tried" while they drive off in their Zaibatsu Monstrocity.
Maybe its the radical re-design that will scare off people... and I'm sure a number of "Hydrogen is dangerous!" reports (perhaps authored by the Alexis DeToqueville sell outs!) will circulate for just long enough to FUD alternative fuel cars into the ground.
I just read what I wrote. Gee, someone got up on the cynical conspiracy side of the bed!
Oh wait, that comment was already written...
But For the longest time I was running 8.5 (*NOT* 8.6, 8.5!) simply becuase I never had to reboot. If it isn't broke, don't fix it! (however when I wanted some more applscript support and usb I had to upgrade to 8.6)
P.S.- not only does that machine still boot into 8.6 and linuxppc, but it also boots into 7.6! Why? I have some old sound apps that only run under it. So be it.
Heck, if I want to use my powermac as a glorified Apple ][gs (running bernie ][ the rescue!) I can do that too! I'm crazy!(plus it also lets me play NEUROMANCER)
Yr right, yr right, yr right. Sorry, the product of a sleep deprived brain.
The best thing we could hope for is for a LUG to periodically slip a bunch of their business cards around the linux box area, and maybe get a little chummy with the store clerks ("Hey, you can keep more sales and not have to provide any support if you just slip your customers one of these business cards!")
What if joe sixpack is a cheapskate, is scared of microsoft word (just hitting "enter" and getting that new line to start off with a lowercase letter! ), and is willing to deal with some free stuff and get on that there internet thing.
If walmart can provide support or go if each store goes in league with some LUGs that have a hankering to do some missionary work this could go over well.
/etc!
That way they sell you a system on the double cheap, for glaring problems they have some linux guy come in a few days a week, OR they say "here, get in touch with these guys."
Think about it, someone could get paid to help a noob with lilo.conf,installing devices,and anything in
Of course, most linux hackers are socially inept geeks* who haven't the foggiest about customer service. Hey, wait, that describes about 90% of the people who currently fill customer service positions! These geeks are naturals!!
*(yeah yeah yeah, erroneous broad sweeping generalization. I'm not trolling, I'm being funny. Ha. There. Look, I had 2 hours of sleep last night (unit test and fix test deadline RIGHT NOW)...)
Good point! modify my above post.
however in times of "National Emergency" previously "granted" rights (both those that are explicitly granted in the Constitution and those that as you say aren't claimed by them) can be taken away. A good example is japanese interrment(sp?) during WWII. Still "good law" (despite the army lying about the threat) according to be soon-to-be-lawyer wife.
The usual IANAL,
but my understanding of how it is in America,
is that all of your rights and freedoms are granted to you by the state (I don't mean like in the 50 states of the US, I mean the more abstract "state") and as such they have the right to restrict your freedoms to a degree.
Yes, the bill of rights grants the freedom to move, but not to tresspass. This is the same logic that puts the FCC in charge of the "air" and its bandwith spectrum.
Now, on to your public transpo comment:
unless you get to an underground station (I must admit I don't know much about London public transpo) you still have to use the roads (from what I understand you wouldn't want to use the rails!) and if there is more traffic the public transpo bus is bottlenecked by all the damn cars!
So if you reduce the number of cars on the road, you improve the efficiency of buses, thus making them a more attractive alternative. You have to boot-strap somehow!
Here's the Link to prove it!
To bring this bad bwoy back onto topic-
I wonder what the half-life (pun intended) of most mods are. And for that matter, given the necessary hardware update, I wonder what the full lifecycle of a mod-player is- from newbie to retired geriatric in 1 year? Under a year?
That's why I stick to consoles.
P.S. -Makes me want to listen to "Twiggy twiggy" by Pizzicato 5...
"Only by pushing himself to the very edge of coherence was Lang able to transcend the schematic moralizing that keeps so much science fiction tethered, ultimately, to the mundane."
Personally, I push my perl code to the very edge of coherence in order to "transcend the schematic moralizing"... but YMMV.
P.S.- what the heck does that mean!
I'm feeling that...
I'm with you on this one...
I can't think of a better post-modern super hero than Bruce Campbell. Heck, even the satiric edge we've all come to associate him with (army of darkness, et al) works perfectly! Come on, now that we're adults we shouldn't be eating chicken and stars soup and we shouldn't be expected to have a total suspension of disbelief...
P.S.- I do not work for progresso.
SO you go to the corner store, buy a sixer, and as you get your change from the clerk (Assuming you didn't pay with plastic) you see it right there:
maybe an easter seal's "Give us a quarter" thingie, a box to help Jerry Lewis save the kids, but some sort of receptacle asking for your change. Hey, it's a dime! Who cares?
It would be cool if you could set something up like this on-line. Right befor you confirm every purchase there is a button that says "Round up to the nearest dollar and donate that to the OSS Foundation"- it would never be more than a dollar, and you could set it up in your "shopping profile" to do it automagically.
Or if you don't trust the online merchants, maybe your online credit card will do it for you- just like Click Citi gives you money back on your online purchases, they instead say "last month you charged $XXXXXXXX, paid for it, and generated $xx(note the small X's!) for the OSS Foundation"
They can easily move the money around and if you don't trust them with your money, DON'T USE A CREDIT CARD!
Now, assume there is some OSS foundation specifically for handling donations (which I assume would be easily auditable, since you could check 'em out on sourceforge!) and this would be a cinch!
Aren't there clans that combat on the net?!
Can't the PS2 via TONY HAWK ]I[ internet up and play other consoles?
At the mall down the street they have a bunch of machines networked and when I'm there when the kids are, thats where they're playing.
When you have a high concentration of young'ins (i.e. college dorm) you get them crowding around arcade games, consoles in rooms, heck, even crowded around my mac going head to head on a tron light-cycles ripoff (called nort!). When you get older, and have a house, and move out, etc. etc. networking is where its at.
We are not losers playing video games by ourselves! We are losers playing videogames with other losers!
Shoes have established an incredible and enviable market penetration. In fact, they are legislated as a need for the right of entry into certain establishments! (along with shirts)
The easy case is that of children, who frequently need to upgrade their footwear simply due to size.
Another easy case is simple wear and tear. If you keep slapping something on the pavement and slogging it through rainy streets, eventually you will need a new one.
However the cobblers of the world have "conspired" with marketing types and have created a "fashion industry", whereby yearly dictates go out and as a result new shoes have to be purchased.
I admit, I am somewhat immune to these trends. I still have a 6 year old macintosh dual booting into linux with enough life left in it to grade students assignments. I also only have a few pairs of shoes.
However my wife and my sister are 31337 in terms of having the latest and greatest "walking processors", or footwear.
And don't get me started on handbags!
The other day when I was forced to surf the web on my phone since my wireless PDA was being used to open a bottle of Corona Extra (la cerveza mas fina) I came upon your idea on slashdot where you proposed a spider-web launching add on. Needless to say, I was shocked! So once the beer was opened I used my Handspring PDA as a telephone and called my VC buddy immediately (though he didn't answer- after he installed that Golf Tee extension to his Nokia we can't get him off the links!)
Nonetheless I know he would be interested in funding such a usefull gizmo as he has a successful track record of supporting innovation.
If you are interested I can use my wristwatch to take a digital picture of the contract and fax it to your blue tooth enabled microwave ASAP.
Things are heating up!
Mekka Berzerkor, C.E.O.
"The event I fear most is a physical attack in conjunction with a successful boogie-attack from the responders' closet or underneath their bed," Ronald Dick, director of the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center, told a closed gathering of corporate security executives hosted by Infraguard in Niagara Falls on June 12.
Yes, however IMHO this is still within the realm of a legal assistant.
How so? They have to have some cognizance(sp?) of licensing issues, since they are accusing ScummVM of violating it. Perhaps the LA checked it over quickly with an associate and said "Hey, if they are using our ip (playing our games), can they lisence it under GPL?" Phrased that way, the answer is an emphatic NO! Also anyone can "claim" some ip to be under a certain license, but if you are a small time Open Source project, they may think you don't have the legal where-withall (again, sp?) to license your way out of a paper sack!
So I concede yes- this is tailored to the situation. However I think this was the IP lawyers having the assistants troll for work!
again- any real lawyers have any comments?
WOW!
Where are your numbers from?
Mine are current as of this summer, prestigious DC firm prices. I know that in North Dakota a senior partner's time costs $150 an hour.
As for summer associates, same dc firm, and they get paid just under $50 an hour. But getting billed out at $400??!?! That's crazy!
INSERT IANAL DISCLAIMER.
This is a boiler plate letter. They had a legal assitant (billing rate: usually under $100. Pay rate: $15? plus overtime.) do the research on the web. Criteria: does this allow someone to play LEC games? If yes, fill in the blanks and send the letter. Charge the client. Go home happy.
Given the response, this may get boiled up to a summer associate (hasn't passed the bar but has somewhat of a clue regarding the law) (bill rate: $125) or (egads!) and associate (a *real* lawyer) (bill rate $150 min.) who will weigh the ScummVM developers claims and decide wether to persue.
If they investigate the research on the "applicable state laws" will be given to a Legal assistant or a summer associate and that will determine the amount of work necessary to determine if ScummVM is an actual infringement.
I'm not saying LEC is poor, but I doubt they will waste their money past here.
Any IP lawyers who would like to clarify?
I still agree with the parent comment-
there will be enough on line sellers who don't trust what MSFT is shovelling. They will not move to palladium systems. In addition, larger on line sellers will have a palladium and a non-palladium site. Given that there are corners of the population that aren't Open Source advocates who are simply content to use what computer they have while it still works (i.e. my parents) they wouldn't dare alienate potential customers.
Also, this gives more work for internet programmers! We/they now have to develop sites that will seamlessly test what you have and send you to the appropriate site!
Or palladium may just be the next microsoft Bob.