There has been a commercial solution out for a very long time, called VisualRoute. I used it for a job I did a while back. Pretty slick stuff. You really don't need *any* centralized server, if the end box is up - you can find out pretty close where it's at. One of the major problems with this is AOL because all their IPs are divied out of Ohio or some other state (can't recall).
Sorry ya got beat to the punch, but you can go punch your friend because there is a company that is making a lot of money off that idea.
What game(s) have you had problems with on the PSX? I put more hours on my PSX than any other console and never had a problem with it. I had 3 games of FF7 that had maxed out hours [99:99] (Oh, I miss the days of college) and went through Crash, Twisted Metal 1, 2, 3 and a few other games.
I remember seeing the PS2 at launch in london for £300 and thought about buying one to bring back to USA and sell on ebay.:)
The ACs have responded, but Dreamcast originally was going to use WinCE for their SDK. Microsoft really lagged on the project so Sega dropped them and used a different OS (I can't remember which, now) however the cool thing about this model (Load from CD) is pretty much any OS can be used if it supports the hardware. Hence the Linux on DC project, etc. All they have is a boot loader that loads whatever OS gets put in there.
The crashes on the DC I blame on improper video routines, as all crashes typically have something to do with video.. seems they didn't debug the video driver as well as they should have.
I have a PS2, and a PS1 along with a Dreamcast and I think the PS2 is definitely more stable than the Dreamcast.
I've found that a lot of times, what looks like a PS2 lockup is just a data seek error and if you pop the game out and back in it works perfectly. After running an endurance race on GT3 for 2 hours over 2 days it froze, I freaked out. It's only done it twice, and Armored Core, Shinjuru or whatever it's called, and DOA2 have not had any problems.
Dreamcast however you can crash reliably if you know how to do it (Best one is to change to wireframe mode in THPS2 and go to a high polygon area.)
I'll keep supporting Sony, the PS1 was awesome and the PS2 is so far pretty solid - and mine is a first gen.
The way that I explained it to the people I talk with is to find a way to relate it to laymen terms as to what exactly is at stake. It's getting easier because non-techies understand CDs just fine.
Another way is to do the old analogy to cars, (think back to the "If Windows was a car" story) - I like to think of it like this:
Imagine leasing a car, except you pay full price. You don't get the benefit of leasing because you still have to pay the depreciation value. Now, not only that, but you can't do any mechanical work to the car -- in fact, it is illegal for the car manufacturer to allow you to open the hood.
Very simple, and (IMHO) very parallel. Most people understand after the "leasing" portion that they're getting dicked. You can add on, "Now, this goes into the same system as CDs. The artists put in a lot of work and the RIAA are the ones with the fees. They produce CDs for under a dollar a CD and don't even give you 'fair use'."
I have found this gives quite a bit of incentive for them to start second-guessing the RIAA tactics. I'm still trying to find a good method for stirring thoughts about the MPAA. Welcome advisement. An idea I have been kicking around is making flyers that offer an explanation and distributing them around. I could easily hand out 50 flyers a day just on my commute to work and home (I light-rail to work) to unique people.
And, offering a simple solution so they can still buy music: Buy USED CDs or CDs that are not produced by the RIAA. I personally like the Used idea, because it still means your favorite music store gets to stay in business and remain profitable but the RIAA is hurt.
I also tend to stay away from the "This could happen, This might happen" because then you stand to risk sounding like a paranoid freak. Stick with the facts, "this is how it is now." and explain not only how it got there but how it can end.
Quite an ironic statement. Even if my argument were false, it would have nothing to do with literacy. On the other hand, you tenuous grasp of common diction falls within very definition of illiteracy [dictionary.com].
Considering how many typos and other bizarre words you have came up with you either have an incomplete grasp of written language or it is not your native. I'm hoping it's not your native, that would explain quite a bit.
And, before you start claiming that I have a mania for bureaucracy you should find out what I did there. But, again, you jump to illogical conclusions and assumptions that you make against me.
I have no faith in authority, I simply chose to take the route of fighting battles worth fighting. I happen to support a national identification database.
And, also, I really fail to understand how you can actually claim that I have not justified my assertions when I have given multiple examples of valid reasons behind my support while you constantly parrot imaginary clauses of opposition that have no relevance nor logical backing.
I'm going to say the same thing that I have been saying for my last few posts, you just don't grasp the concept that I have a point to my argument and you don't.
Now, Try something. Instead of offering a rebuttal attacking my credentials because I happened to work for NASA and realize why a lot of the red tape exists instead of your blind assumptions of the cause. Offer me ONE concrete firm example (like I said, fugitive gives card to get on plane. flags alert. added security.) of a liberty being taken away.
Or you can continue to baa and not come up with a valid reason as to why this is a bad idea, just continue to parrot "waste tax dollars", "takes freedom away", and those who support it have "mania for bureaucracy" and "blind faith in authority". Still waiting... probably forever, because you can't do it. No longer is my mind open to your argument, but I give you one more chance so you can redeem a little bit of respect. Until you provide a good logical backing for your argument, all you are is a pinprick nimrod touting other peoples philosophies. And, keep in mind, I am not calling you a pinprick nimrod, just saying right now that is what you are acting like.
Hah! Only because they are MANDATORY when you are driving.
At last, Q.E.D
Not quite yet illiterate-boy. The current system is implemented to contain both drivers licenses (a mandatory license to DRIVE) and an OPTIONAL state issued ID card. Both of which have been used to identify fugitives.
Why don't we just agree that there are no such examples that you can comprehend in your hysterical rush to hide in the underskirts of the Federal Government
Or, translated, "There is nothing I can think of but everybody else I know says No! so I say No! to but I can't think for myself so there is no rational reason for me to oppose it".
And, "the conlusion" can be drawn if little nay-sayers like yourself, instead of offering extreme criticism towards laws that could be beneficial, or rash opposition, worked towards making these controversial laws as most beneficial to everybody as possible than the government would be more efficient. I used to work for the government.. the government inefficiences that people like yourself constantly refer to are usually caused from people like yourself.
You still don't know your head from your ass.
You still can't find a compromise in liberty.
You still can't think for yourself.
You still have to play on my words to try to make yourself an argument.
Read the sentence again. I said "IF this card becomes mandatory." I also said that it would offer NO protection if it were NOT mandatory. I assume you concede that point, since you have yet to offer any evidence to the contrary, and someone with such high rhetorical standards would surely not leave his argument unsubstantiated. As such, please stop supporting these hare-brained schemes to waste my tax dollars.
Your non-credible delusion of an example was not worth even mentioning. As is most your examples. Talk about an unsubstantiated argument, after 10+ requests for a conclusive logical loss of liberty or freedom and still not receiving one. You know why I support this too, because it isn't a waste of tax dollars. It is an upgrade to a system that is mostly inefficient now that has a chance to be made efficient. Yes, it will cost money - but I'd be willing to bet that cost anlysis over the course of 10 years maintaining this system Vs. maintaining 50 seperate systems will yield a tremendous surplus in favor of a national system...
But then again, I make sense so I expect you to come up with more irrational hypothetical examples. Don't let me down! I'm counting on your idiocy and sheep mentality.
Why don't you take your hard-headed zeal and put it to a cause that actual does need it. Fight the (MP|RI)AA. Fight Adobe. But dude, don't fight a system that is already in place (and does work well, a lot of people get caught because of a traffick stop when they are wanted) because it's being upgraded... as for your tax dollars, it must really suck to know that Larry Elisons dick pays more in taxes than you make.. so don't talk about tax dollars.
Guess what? Budget cuts are enacted by law makers, or people acting in an equivalent regulatory capacity.
It's related to law. Oh no! So is the national ID card. Good grief, it's all relational! How'd that happen.... and you not understanding my sentence is probably because I am at work, running on little sleep, and mixed up some words.. it happens.
WTF!? How, exactly, does a voluntary ID card help track fugitives.
Same way that a drivers license does.
IF this card becomes mandatory, or in any way an unavoidable standard, it will clearly impact the rights guarunteed under the Fourth Ammendment [nara.gov].
My turn. WTF?! - How in any interpretation of the fourth amendment (one M, Mr. Critical), allow your freedom to get impacted by having an identification card that you can voluntarily produce for identification purposes. No where in the 4th Amendment does it state, "A freedom to not be able to be identified by any means, voluntary or not."
I dunno, I'm starting to think that you're problem isn't that you don't understand the purpose and mechanisms of the ID database but that you just don't understand anything. Feel free to prove me wrong... but the only thing you have done is cause me to firm my position that I do support the card. Besides.. you still haven't managed to list any freedoms that will (not IF this and that then this may happen) be impacted by a card... Someone with such an articulate method of speaking and arguing should be able to come up with something... oh damn, I forgot <sarcasm> wasn't a real tag.
Draconian means "exceedingly harsh" in reference to laws. Free tip: you have to read the ENTIRE definition, or you miss the context. Try this on for size:
I still say that my usage of your sentiments are draconian. Go look at your dictionary.com reference, "draconian budget cuts" - draconian under-informed assumptions about a legal system, meaning severely harsh and under informed. It works just fine.
Your answer to ever possible loss of freedom is that it doesn't count becaus the card won't be mandatory, and the police can't demand to see it. Given that, please tell me what security you will gain.
The security you gain is it makes fugitives easier to track. That is added security. I'm one - your're zero, your turn to come up with an actual, non hypothetical bullshit freedom you lose. I'll make it simple: the freedom you lose is non-existent. The security is miniscule granted, but it is there. Once again, I'll state, all it is is an upgrade of a current system that does work.
Liberty from unreasonable search and seizure is certainly one of them. What right does an airline have to know your criminal record? Assuming you were tried, convicted and served your time, they have no business subjecting you to more scrutiny than the next person.
You are just silly. That is what I have decided. You have no comprehension of any original idea. Your posts have clearly stated that. You do have "exceedingly harsh" under-informed assumptions about this system. Go ahead and argue that, I won't rephrase what I said because I'm correct. Fact of the matter is you don't know your head from your ass when it comes to the national ID system. No one is talking about unreasonable search and siezure. In fact, police officers wont be able to ask for your ID card. Well, you definitely have found your place amongst unoriginal sheepthink in Slashdot. I hope if you have bred, or will breed, you'll teach your offspring to be open minded and really think about all sides, not just the one about the paranoid-little-guy-getting-smacked-by-the-big-guy .
You remind me of those black guys who hate white people because they think every white guy is out to get them..
They provide DSL service for my townhouse complex, and I have to say they are an absolute bunch of jackasses that are incompotent to do anything . That's just my experience with them.
When I moved in with them, I found out for $60/mo I get 1.5Mbit SDSL with 1 static IP. Great I thought, how much for an extra IP. $20/mo. Uhm.. *cough* WHAT?
Oh well, I'll use ip forwarding. I order the line, they say, "Great we'll call you on Monday to schedule for the end of next week" on Friday. Monday came and went. Tuesday came and went. Wednesday I call them and they have no record of my order, well, fine.. I place another order.
A week goes by, I call them - they say, "Yep, got your order, you're probably going to be installed next week at the latest." Ok. I wait for the install phone call, never get it. I call them in another week, "Hi, when am I getting installed?" - I get, "Oh well we're upgrading our central office there, it will be done in 3 weeks then you can be setup."
That was 3 months ago. I still have not heard anything conclusive and every time I call them I receive "It will be done in 3 weeks." I now am waiting for my Earthlink DSL.
I will never do business with ATG, mostly because I feel lied to - and I boycott companies that straight out lie to me. I sincerely hope they go under.. I'd feel different if this was a one or two time event, but this is after about 8 phone calls hearing the same thing... and their supervisors parrot the same thing.
Which just goes to show the degree to which the law will pervert seemingly simple concepts such as "freedom of speech." And here you are ready to surrender more power to them.
By your statement, one could extrapolate that reading copyrighted work outloud for public demonstration is freedom of speech. Sure.. till some one pays your for it. Still freedom of speech? No, it is making money off of someone elses copyrighted works. You have the right to swing your first until it hits my nose. Plain and simple, certain copyright laws are flawed (DMCA) but they serve a purpose. Don't go waving the free speech banner in this argument, it's invalid.
WTF!? I'm pretty sire that commiting a crime is NOT a right. That's why they throw you in jail.
With every free action there are consequences. You do have a civil liberty protected god given right to commit a crime. Police officers cannot intervene unless a crime is in the act or has already been committed. Jail is just the consequence to excercising a right you have. It's a price people pay.
Again, you continue to bring up that I am giving up privacy/freedom/whatever yet you fail to come up with any rational reason as to what freedom I am giving up. What privacy I am giving up that I don't already have or don't have. You are merely parroting what a few hundred have said before you without even giving an original thought to it. It's funny really, by making it faster, more convenient and universally available is an invasion of privacy and loss of liberty? Set the crack pipe down son, and step away slowly. If you are a fugitive and you are getting by because the inadequacies of the current system I could understand how this would impede on some "rights" you have (freely moving about running from the cops) - but assuming you have no outstanding warrants for your arrest you have no claim that a liberty or privacy will be tread upon.
Until you can come up with at least one (that's all I'm asking for) valid liberty that will be sacrified by using this system, than you are just reinforcing my idea that you are no better than the MPAA/RIAA by attacking something you have no fucking clue how it works.
How's that make you feel, that your draconian under-informed assumptions are the same reason why we have to fight the DMCA? Really think about it.. you are acting the same. I gave it a lot of open minded thought, and initially was opposed to the idea until I read up all I could on the system and I decided that I felt it was a good idea that would benefit and enhance liberty and the american way of life.
Those who sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither. Those who gain security, and embrace freedom deserve it.
Circumventing copyright may be illegal, but discussing the concept is not.
Discussing mechanisms (which can be concepts) can be held under the trafficking clause.
I'm happy to say that it is NOT legal for police to intimidate and harrass innocent civilians. In the above example, discouraging people from discussion with the threat of surveillance amounts to intimidating them from excersising a civil liberty.
Uhm.. and a national ID card would change this how? Every day, lots and lots of people are the victims of police harassment. It's not fair, and it sucks. A national ID card wont change that, especially when the police may not ask for it at will (I hope you read the article). I've been harassed by the police three times, all for doing things that were perfectly legal. Twice did they have a semi-logical reason for harassing me, but they never had a logical reason for their treatment. Once was absolutely absurd, and I've filed complaints on two of them. You know what? It helped, one was suspended the other was given a warning. Most times, a one time occurance wont warrant a suspension unless they have previous warnings.
You are talking about your lives being pried into, but you still don't seem to understand that this is no different than what is already in place, now it is just stored in a centralized location.
Think about that... all the information already exists. All the cons of the system already exist. The only pro is real time reports on whether or not a person is a risk. I appreciate that, and there is no liberty being infringed upon. Feel free to commit a crime, it's your right. But don't bitch about how it's hard to get on a plane after you have been convicted of planting bombs in a mail room.
Well, considering copyright cirvumention is illegal (which I oppose, as long as it is under fair use) now, there is just cause for you to be associated. Like my original argument stated, if you do not want negative associations than do not engage or associate with illegal actions.. simple concept to understand. If you feel your website helps the anti-DMCA cause, than your association will work out positively as you are an activist, if the DMCA gets overturned (hopefully it will).
The choice to be discouraged from pursuing legal activities remains to the individual. It's a choice they make. Your freedom remains, you choose to cease your legal activities. I still don't think you have any valid reason how a national card will suspend any portion of currently available civil liberties... keep trying.
I know quite a few people who have, lets just say, unsavory records but are also very clever and have avoided any conviction. Now, I know (for a fact, long story and I shouldn't go into it) that certain individuals have records of association. They deserved it.
To be a criminal, you must get caught. The american legal definition of a crime requires conviction of some sort. To be a suspect, you just have to have association. I'm perfectly fine with association records being kept, because it keeps the populous secure and free. There are no losses of freedom or liberty from keeping a record on someone who is known to hang out with unsavory and criminal folk. There are reasons why convicts do not have certain civil liberties, and they deserve the punishment they received. I don't think you understand that this system in no way jeapordizes the liberty an american citizen has currently. The reason why I am an advocate of a national identification database is because it is purely an upgrade of what we have now.
And, I have yet to hear of one valid and plausible effect this could have on civil liberties. I'm waiting to hear one, I'm open minded.
That is pretty much what I was saying. You have the little box, connecting to a merchant processing house that talks to a clearing house. I may have to go re-read what I wrote.. but that was what I was trying to illustrate.
Final point was no one connects to a clearing house unless they are doing bulk (nightly close, etc).. Did you use the veriphone system for the CSI or another mechanism? I hate veriphone.. they did however finally get an XML interface to connect instead of their absurd "language" to process orders.. yay for innovation.
They only store evidence that is already being stored. It's just now being centralized so you can actually retrieve it when you need to.
Don't be a criminal, don't get stored in the database. It's rather simple. I still fail to understand the rational behind opposing this system. We already have it, this is just an upgrade.
Actually...using everyone it would 350 million. How do we do that? The databases I use at work have more than 350 million rows. How do we do it now? Nearly all U.S. citizens have a Visa/MC/Amer. Express. They get 350 million rows (probably more) every week. They keep track of them (trust me, they want to get paid.) And you think it's infeasible?
For tracking purposes, yes. It's absolutely absurd to think that with current technology you can track an entire populous through every action that they do. 350 million rows a week. That seems like a lot, over a month we have 1.5B. Now, for it to be real tracking software you really do need to have some trend data don't you? So it's hard to come up with a weeding algorithm. And, how big are each rows.. well, you'd have to link to every store in america or keep replicating store information.
Besides, the Veriphone processing system is more of a distributed history system. All they do is just collect numbers and bill. Providian, Aria, Capital One, etc are the ones who actually track. This reduces the load down significantly. Which, in analogy, is the same system we have now. Every state is a different credit card processing company. Now, tell me how a centralized database system that grows by over a billion rows a month is supposed to be managed.
Irrelevant. That is a expression matching engine with a flag generation. That would be feasible. However storing all tracking data (which is what I was talking about) would surpass any technological achievments and according to Moore's Law would surpass rate of growth by far.
Moore's law isn't close to keeping up here though. The rate of expansion of the database increases much past any rate of hardware or algorithm capabilities.
It'd work great for about a month, than all tracking would become nullified. At least until quantum computing came out w/ a specialized algorithm and solid-state drives capable of storing this much data.
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I still play TW2 (On PS2 now) and have never had any problems - what generation is your PSX? I did have one glitch with Driver though..
heh.. well.. hmm.. proof I should actually pay attention before posting. But, that did make the thread that much more amusing.
Lighten up a bit, and realize it was meant in good humor (And further proved your point!)
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There has been a commercial solution out for a very long time, called VisualRoute. I used it for a job I did a while back. Pretty slick stuff. You really don't need *any* centralized server, if the end box is up - you can find out pretty close where it's at. One of the major problems with this is AOL because all their IPs are divied out of Ohio or some other state (can't recall).
Sorry ya got beat to the punch, but you can go punch your friend because there is a company that is making a lot of money off that idea.
I remember seeing the PS2 at launch in london for £300 and thought about buying one to bring back to USA and sell on ebay.
The crashes on the DC I blame on improper video routines, as all crashes typically have something to do with video.. seems they didn't debug the video driver as well as they should have.
I've found that a lot of times, what looks like a PS2 lockup is just a data seek error and if you pop the game out and back in it works perfectly. After running an endurance race on GT3 for 2 hours over 2 days it froze, I freaked out. It's only done it twice, and Armored Core, Shinjuru or whatever it's called, and DOA2 have not had any problems.
Dreamcast however you can crash reliably if you know how to do it (Best one is to change to wireframe mode in THPS2 and go to a high polygon area.)
I'll keep supporting Sony, the PS1 was awesome and the PS2 is so far pretty solid - and mine is a first gen.
Another way is to do the old analogy to cars, (think back to the "If Windows was a car" story) - I like to think of it like this:
Imagine leasing a car, except you pay full price. You don't get the benefit of leasing because you still have to pay the depreciation value. Now, not only that, but you can't do any mechanical work to the car -- in fact, it is illegal for the car manufacturer to allow you to open the hood.
Very simple, and (IMHO) very parallel. Most people understand after the "leasing" portion that they're getting dicked. You can add on, "Now, this goes into the same system as CDs. The artists put in a lot of work and the RIAA are the ones with the fees. They produce CDs for under a dollar a CD and don't even give you 'fair use'."
I have found this gives quite a bit of incentive for them to start second-guessing the RIAA tactics. I'm still trying to find a good method for stirring thoughts about the MPAA. Welcome advisement. An idea I have been kicking around is making flyers that offer an explanation and distributing them around. I could easily hand out 50 flyers a day just on my commute to work and home (I light-rail to work) to unique people.
And, offering a simple solution so they can still buy music: Buy USED CDs or CDs that are not produced by the RIAA. I personally like the Used idea, because it still means your favorite music store gets to stay in business and remain profitable but the RIAA is hurt.
I also tend to stay away from the "This could happen, This might happen" because then you stand to risk sounding like a paranoid freak. Stick with the facts, "this is how it is now." and explain not only how it got there but how it can end.
Quite an ironic statement. Even if my argument were false, it would have nothing to do with literacy. On the other hand, you tenuous grasp of common diction falls within very definition of illiteracy [dictionary.com].
Considering how many typos and other bizarre words you have came up with you either have an incomplete grasp of written language or it is not your native. I'm hoping it's not your native, that would explain quite a bit.
And, before you start claiming that I have a mania for bureaucracy you should find out what I did there.
But, again, you jump to illogical conclusions and assumptions that you make against me.
I have no faith in authority, I simply chose to take the route of fighting battles worth fighting. I happen to support a national identification database.
And, also, I really fail to understand how you can actually claim that I have not justified my assertions when I have given multiple examples of valid reasons behind my support while you constantly parrot imaginary clauses of opposition that have no relevance nor logical backing.
I'm going to say the same thing that I have been saying for my last few posts, you just don't grasp the concept that I have a point to my argument and you don't.
Now, Try something. Instead of offering a rebuttal attacking my credentials because I happened to work for NASA and realize why a lot of the red tape exists instead of your blind assumptions of the cause. Offer me ONE concrete firm example (like I said, fugitive gives card to get on plane. flags alert. added security.) of a liberty being taken away.
Or you can continue to baa and not come up with a valid reason as to why this is a bad idea, just continue to parrot "waste tax dollars", "takes freedom away", and those who support it have "mania for bureaucracy" and "blind faith in authority". Still waiting... probably forever, because you can't do it. No longer is my mind open to your argument, but I give you one more chance so you can redeem a little bit of respect. Until you provide a good logical backing for your argument, all you are is a pinprick nimrod touting other peoples philosophies. And, keep in mind, I am not calling you a pinprick nimrod, just saying right now that is what you are acting like.
At last, Q.E.D
Not quite yet illiterate-boy. The current system is implemented to contain both drivers licenses (a mandatory license to DRIVE) and an OPTIONAL state issued ID card. Both of which have been used to identify fugitives.
Why don't we just agree that there are no such examples that you can comprehend in your hysterical rush to hide in the underskirts of the Federal Government
Or, translated, "There is nothing I can think of but everybody else I know says No! so I say No! to but I can't think for myself so there is no rational reason for me to oppose it".
And, "the conlusion" can be drawn if little nay-sayers like yourself, instead of offering extreme criticism towards laws that could be beneficial, or rash opposition, worked towards making these controversial laws as most beneficial to everybody as possible than the government would be more efficient. I used to work for the government.. the government inefficiences that people like yourself constantly refer to are usually caused from people like yourself.
You still don't know your head from your ass.
You still can't find a compromise in liberty.
You still can't think for yourself.
You still have to play on my words to try to make yourself an argument.
You still entertain me with your fallacies.
Thanks.
Read the sentence again. I said "IF this card becomes mandatory." I also said that it would offer NO protection if it were NOT mandatory. I assume you concede that point, since you have yet to offer any evidence to the contrary, and someone with such high rhetorical standards would surely not leave his argument unsubstantiated. As such, please stop supporting these hare-brained schemes to waste my tax dollars.
Your non-credible delusion of an example was not worth even mentioning. As is most your examples. Talk about an unsubstantiated argument, after 10+ requests for a conclusive logical loss of liberty or freedom and still not receiving one. You know why I support this too, because it isn't a waste of tax dollars. It is an upgrade to a system that is mostly inefficient now that has a chance to be made efficient. Yes, it will cost money - but I'd be willing to bet that cost anlysis over the course of 10 years maintaining this system Vs. maintaining 50 seperate systems will yield a tremendous surplus in favor of a national system...
But then again, I make sense so I expect you to come up with more irrational hypothetical examples. Don't let me down! I'm counting on your idiocy and sheep mentality.
Why don't you take your hard-headed zeal and put it to a cause that actual does need it. Fight the (MP|RI)AA. Fight Adobe. But dude, don't fight a system that is already in place (and does work well, a lot of people get caught because of a traffick stop when they are wanted) because it's being upgraded... as for your tax dollars, it must really suck to know that Larry Elisons dick pays more in taxes than you make.. so don't talk about tax dollars.
It's related to law. Oh no! So is the national ID card. Good grief, it's all relational! How'd that happen.... and you not understanding my sentence is probably because I am at work, running on little sleep, and mixed up some words.. it happens.
WTF!? How, exactly, does a voluntary ID card help track fugitives.
Same way that a drivers license does.
IF this card becomes mandatory, or in any way an unavoidable standard, it will clearly impact the rights guarunteed under the Fourth Ammendment [nara.gov].
My turn. WTF?! - How in any interpretation of the fourth amendment (one M, Mr. Critical), allow your freedom to get impacted by having an identification card that you can voluntarily produce for identification purposes. No where in the 4th Amendment does it state, "A freedom to not be able to be identified by any means, voluntary or not."
I dunno, I'm starting to think that you're problem isn't that you don't understand the purpose and mechanisms of the ID database but that you just don't understand anything. Feel free to prove me wrong... but the only thing you have done is cause me to firm my position that I do support the card. Besides.. you still haven't managed to list any freedoms that will (not IF this and that then this may happen) be impacted by a card... Someone with such an articulate method of speaking and arguing should be able to come up with something... oh damn, I forgot <sarcasm> wasn't a real tag.
I still say that my usage of your sentiments are draconian. Go look at your dictionary.com reference, "draconian budget cuts" - draconian under-informed assumptions about a legal system, meaning severely harsh and under informed. It works just fine.
Your answer to ever possible loss of freedom is that it doesn't count becaus the card won't be mandatory, and the police can't demand to see it. Given that, please tell me what security you will gain.
The security you gain is it makes fugitives easier to track. That is added security. I'm one - your're zero, your turn to come up with an actual, non hypothetical bullshit freedom you lose. I'll make it simple: the freedom you lose is non-existent. The security is miniscule granted, but it is there. Once again, I'll state, all it is is an upgrade of a current system that does work.
Try again, try harder.
You are just silly. That is what I have decided. You have no comprehension of any original idea. Your posts have clearly stated that. You do have "exceedingly harsh" under-informed assumptions about this system. Go ahead and argue that, I won't rephrase what I said because I'm correct. Fact of the matter is you don't know your head from your ass when it comes to the national ID system. No one is talking about unreasonable search and siezure. In fact, police officers wont be able to ask for your ID card. Well, you definitely have found your place amongst unoriginal sheepthink in Slashdot. I hope if you have bred, or will breed, you'll teach your offspring to be open minded and really think about all sides, not just the one about the paranoid-little-guy-getting-smacked-by-the-big-gu
You remind me of those black guys who hate white people because they think every white guy is out to get them..
They provide DSL service for my townhouse complex, and I have to say they are an absolute bunch of jackasses that are incompotent to do anything . That's just my experience with them.
When I moved in with them, I found out for $60/mo I get 1.5Mbit SDSL with 1 static IP. Great I thought, how much for an extra IP. $20/mo. Uhm.. *cough* WHAT?
Oh well, I'll use ip forwarding. I order the line, they say, "Great we'll call you on Monday to schedule for the end of next week" on Friday. Monday came and went. Tuesday came and went. Wednesday I call them and they have no record of my order, well, fine.. I place another order.
A week goes by, I call them - they say, "Yep, got your order, you're probably going to be installed next week at the latest." Ok. I wait for the install phone call, never get it. I call them in another week, "Hi, when am I getting installed?" - I get, "Oh well we're upgrading our central office there, it will be done in 3 weeks then you can be setup."
That was 3 months ago. I still have not heard anything conclusive and every time I call them I receive "It will be done in 3 weeks." I now am waiting for my Earthlink DSL.
I will never do business with ATG, mostly because I feel lied to - and I boycott companies that straight out lie to me. I sincerely hope they go under.. I'd feel different if this was a one or two time event, but this is after about 8 phone calls hearing the same thing... and their supervisors parrot the same thing.
Which just goes to show the degree to which the law will pervert seemingly simple concepts such as "freedom of speech." And here you are ready to surrender more power to them.
By your statement, one could extrapolate that reading copyrighted work outloud for public demonstration is freedom of speech. Sure.. till some one pays your for it. Still freedom of speech? No, it is making money off of someone elses copyrighted works. You have the right to swing your first until it hits my nose. Plain and simple, certain copyright laws are flawed (DMCA) but they serve a purpose. Don't go waving the free speech banner in this argument, it's invalid.
WTF!? I'm pretty sire that commiting a crime is NOT a right. That's why they throw you in jail.
With every free action there are consequences. You do have a civil liberty protected god given right to commit a crime. Police officers cannot intervene unless a crime is in the act or has already been committed. Jail is just the consequence to excercising a right you have. It's a price people pay.
Again, you continue to bring up that I am giving up privacy/freedom/whatever yet you fail to come up with any rational reason as to what freedom I am giving up. What privacy I am giving up that I don't already have or don't have. You are merely parroting what a few hundred have said before you without even giving an original thought to it. It's funny really, by making it faster, more convenient and universally available is an invasion of privacy and loss of liberty? Set the crack pipe down son, and step away slowly. If you are a fugitive and you are getting by because the inadequacies of the current system I could understand how this would impede on some "rights" you have (freely moving about running from the cops) - but assuming you have no outstanding warrants for your arrest you have no claim that a liberty or privacy will be tread upon.
Until you can come up with at least one (that's all I'm asking for) valid liberty that will be sacrified by using this system, than you are just reinforcing my idea that you are no better than the MPAA/RIAA by attacking something you have no fucking clue how it works.
How's that make you feel, that your draconian under-informed assumptions are the same reason why we have to fight the DMCA? Really think about it.. you are acting the same. I gave it a lot of open minded thought, and initially was opposed to the idea until I read up all I could on the system and I decided that I felt it was a good idea that would benefit and enhance liberty and the american way of life.
Those who sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither. Those who gain security, and embrace freedom deserve it.
Circumventing copyright may be illegal, but discussing the concept is not.
Discussing mechanisms (which can be concepts) can be held under the trafficking clause.
I'm happy to say that it is NOT legal for police to intimidate and harrass innocent civilians. In the above example, discouraging people from discussion with the threat of surveillance amounts to intimidating them from excersising a civil liberty.
Uhm.. and a national ID card would change this how? Every day, lots and lots of people are the victims of police harassment. It's not fair, and it sucks. A national ID card wont change that, especially when the police may not ask for it at will (I hope you read the article). I've been harassed by the police three times, all for doing things that were perfectly legal. Twice did they have a semi-logical reason for harassing me, but they never had a logical reason for their treatment. Once was absolutely absurd, and I've filed complaints on two of them. You know what? It helped, one was suspended the other was given a warning. Most times, a one time occurance wont warrant a suspension unless they have previous warnings.
You are talking about your lives being pried into, but you still don't seem to understand that this is no different than what is already in place, now it is just stored in a centralized location.
Think about that... all the information already exists. All the cons of the system already exist. The only pro is real time reports on whether or not a person is a risk. I appreciate that, and there is no liberty being infringed upon. Feel free to commit a crime, it's your right. But don't bitch about how it's hard to get on a plane after you have been convicted of planting bombs in a mail room.
Well, considering copyright cirvumention is illegal (which I oppose, as long as it is under fair use) now, there is just cause for you to be associated. Like my original argument stated, if you do not want negative associations than do not engage or associate with illegal actions.. simple concept to understand. If you feel your website helps the anti-DMCA cause, than your association will work out positively as you are an activist, if the DMCA gets overturned (hopefully it will).
The choice to be discouraged from pursuing legal activities remains to the individual. It's a choice they make. Your freedom remains, you choose to cease your legal activities. I still don't think you have any valid reason how a national card will suspend any portion of currently available civil liberties... keep trying.
To be a criminal, you must get caught. The american legal definition of a crime requires conviction of some sort. To be a suspect, you just have to have association. I'm perfectly fine with association records being kept, because it keeps the populous secure and free. There are no losses of freedom or liberty from keeping a record on someone who is known to hang out with unsavory and criminal folk. There are reasons why convicts do not have certain civil liberties, and they deserve the punishment they received. I don't think you understand that this system in no way jeapordizes the liberty an american citizen has currently. The reason why I am an advocate of a national identification database is because it is purely an upgrade of what we have now.
And, I have yet to hear of one valid and plausible effect this could have on civil liberties. I'm waiting to hear one, I'm open minded.
Final point was no one connects to a clearing house unless they are doing bulk (nightly close, etc).. Did you use the veriphone system for the CSI or another mechanism? I hate veriphone.. they did however finally get an XML interface to connect instead of their absurd "language" to process orders.. yay for innovation.
Don't be a criminal, don't get stored in the database. It's rather simple. I still fail to understand the rational behind opposing this system. We already have it, this is just an upgrade.
For tracking purposes, yes. It's absolutely absurd to think that with current technology you can track an entire populous through every action that they do. 350 million rows a week. That seems like a lot, over a month we have 1.5B. Now, for it to be real tracking software you really do need to have some trend data don't you? So it's hard to come up with a weeding algorithm. And, how big are each rows.. well, you'd have to link to every store in america or keep replicating store information.
Besides, the Veriphone processing system is more of a distributed history system. All they do is just collect numbers and bill. Providian, Aria, Capital One, etc are the ones who actually track. This reduces the load down significantly. Which, in analogy, is the same system we have now. Every state is a different credit card processing company. Now, tell me how a centralized database system that grows by over a billion rows a month is supposed to be managed.
Irrelevant. That is a expression matching engine with a flag generation. That would be feasible. However storing all tracking data (which is what I was talking about) would surpass any technological achievments and according to Moore's Law would surpass rate of growth by far.
It'd work great for about a month, than all tracking would become nullified. At least until quantum computing came out w/ a specialized algorithm and solid-state drives capable of storing this much data.