Yes. Comments are the best place to put your touch.. Although functions and classes will have our names on them (so the others know who to talk to when it doesnt work). But i also like to throwrandom fortune messages or starwars quotes into the mix
"The empire is getting closer, and R2-D2 is nowhere to be found..."
Better yet, to put even more of a touch, do your special comments in Hexidecimal or binary..
yea, pretty much. we dont care if we have the burden of support as long as they pay for it. Also, since we (I) built the programs, we have the most knowledge of them, so inheritably, we also serve as technicians (for a price, of course)
First off, Yes: when i said JAVA i ment JS.
I wont trash any language, because i havent used most of them, and they all have their purpose.
The point I was getting at is people seemed to want more and more out of a web app, and its comes to a point where you cannot make a stable web app, without "duct-tape".
These app that we make are highly server dependent. Not only do they require security (which JS doesnt help, since the code is client side) they require operations that are cobbled together so they run in a browser.
Stuff like point-click-drag-drop are a client side operation. And doing something as simple as clicking a button, requires a postback, a run through the page life cycle, and the sent back to the client in a way that isnt reliable, or effiencient.
I was using C# and VB as examples because thats what i am paid to program in. (believe me when i say i feel stupid using them). But there are better ways of doing things. Just because it can be done one way, doesnt mean its a very lgical method. So, pictures and text fine.. web based. but when your want basically a full blown Application on your web browser, why not just use an GUI API and any language you see fit, and do it right.
Another thing: you can write a OS based App in one language, how many languages does it take to create a web app? (xhtml, css(i know not a lnaguage, but you get what i mean) JS/AJAX, T-SQL or pl/SQL(RDBMS), C# VB Python php CGI whatever).. It takes a lot of knowledge and time and bugs to make something like that work.
Then again, maybe im in the wrong field, maybe i should be doing OS devel instead of Web based applications...
This my be a little off topic, but i was talking to my uncle yesterday, we were talking bout guns, and the home protection topic came up. He was basically saying, if someone break into your home, kill them. 1) they are intruding and putting your family in danger. 2) a dead man cant sue you
If you write a C++ program and compile it down to one architecture, how many users do you have?
How many architecture CANT you compile C++ code? 90% of the market runs windows anyways.. Allt he same people that think JAVA is a good thing because its neutral? I dont know anyone that runs Google earth on a VAX...
You can get away with three binary distrobutions... MAC, Windows, and Linux... C++ with GTK works on all three.. problem solved.
Ok, enough chat i need to get back to my VB code:(
Parent has a good point. I work for a software company that Develops GIS (geopgraphical Information Software). and all of our clients want theor programs to be web based. this means VB or C# with AJAX/JAVA. For complexity of these programs, and the time that goes into them, the logical thing to do would make it a windows based application. the clients dont like the fact that they then have to install software, and put more problems on their IT staff. (User policies, hardware/software conflicts). so we bould everything to work based on IE6 (alot of people still use Windows 2000). Its a fricken nightmare. There are no standards that are standard, and the whole web based framework is a mess.
I know i cant be that old school, but why cant people use C++ and and GUI APIs? there are already protocols for talking to your SQL server and app engine via network, and using a windows Application framwork has many benifits. Ive argued this time and time again with my boss, but thats how they want it.
BTW: when i first Read MVC i thought they ment Microsoft Visual C, not Model View controller.. wtf?
Anyone know some good quotes on a fiber trunk... id have to image they are not cheap. Where i live (Northern MN) its got to be hella expensive to deploy, But isnt a bad idea... If i have a few million laying around, id invest in a fiber trunk that i could resell to the community. even if it will little profit, i think itd be great to do that.
Well im glad they got it running... For a while i thought they might need to get in on the Government bailout package.
On another note, im suprised some l337 doesnt get pissed about it and hack that computer. If i knew how to.. i would.. Id hack that SOB and but a big picture of my ass as his background...
"Mess wit the best, and get corn-holed!"
Yea she is. Although im sure she wouldn't have done it if she knew what would happen, there are consequences. This story is kind of a nightmare for anyone, because im sure everyone here has harrased someone to a point where they might have felt bad about it. Picking on someone in class, or always giving shit to the person you dont like. Its too bad that happened, but for me, if reminds me just how much words can hurt someone. Make me think a little bit next time a give a death threat to the guy at McDonalds for putting no pickles on my burger instead of extra pickles.
As much as im sure that happens all the time. I have to say thats bad advice. As much as it might seem false, you can succeed without being a capitalist crook.
but then again, Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.
This is a good Idea. There are tons of ways to make money off of software.
You dont even have to stick to one idea. For me, for freelance ( I also work for a software company), I would build calendar programs for hairdressers, and web pages for lumber companies and dog groomers. There is great money in this. You can even expand your ideas onto advertisement. Even on a large scheme. Lets say Company X made programs for car computers. Maybe yours can expand on that and be car computer optimization programs.
The main point is dont go and spend your time trying to fight for the right to something not worht it (like eveyone else has mentioned.) If its worth it do it. But otherwise your just might want to go buy the biggest meat grinder you can find, bring it home, and spend all of the time turning your dick into hamburger.
This is true.
I forget how much a firewall protects you. I would not dare plugging a unpatched windows box (or even patch!) up to the internet. I have ran Linux as a firewall/router (iptables) and its unbelivable all of the port scans that happen. I would get over 1000 tries on SSH getting in with users such as 'root' 'sally' 'mike' coming from hundreds of different IPs. Also there will be attempts on any port that they can see (normally 80, and ftp, and ssh) are all i have open, and thank god i drop any traffic trying to come in on anything else (i dont deny, i drop!).
yes Parent, you are right, plug XP into the unsecure intenet and it will come home looking like fresh meat on happy hour at the local whore house.
mayb thats why i dont get viruses.. either my employer pays for it, or I run Linux:)
And i always though my system stayed clean because i put a condom over my mouse... maybe i should also stop injecting AstroGlide into my HardDrive
I haven't had a problem with viruses. I run XP pro at work, with AVG, and although i have had a few viruses, from d/ling stuff, AVG finds them, and no problems. now i might ask, Where can i find thses viruses? I know that warez sites from russia care them, but how can i contract them from legit sites? I seems to me, if you doing what your suppsoed to do with a computer (pr0n browsing) you shouldnt have these problems
another funny story... Kimball and the terminator..
back when i was ajunior (2003-2004) we would create a bunch of.wav files and save little clips of arnold's voice, stuff like "hello, how are you?", "im a cop, you idiot!","im detective john kimball!","now im going to ask you some questions and i want the answered immediately. Who is your daddy, and what does he do?","SHUTUP!"
And we would prank all the local stores around town.. mind that we did live in a small town (1000 people) so normally we would call and ask for someone working we would know. then we would record the whole conversation and burn it to CD.. hours of fun listening to it, again and again
"I hope you left room for my fist, because im going to ramm-it-into your stomache!"...
I love arnold..
BTW.. good riddance to a crumby Unix company
Consoles were developed because some people cant turn a computer on... software updates? yup, thats because they do more than play games. Windows sucks, and there is no way around that, but with a good system, most games do work. Consoles are made to do one thing, and you cant [really] upgrade them. Maybe a bigger HD to put music on? woopy:p... In the money you spent on an Xbox, then the 360, you could have got a computer, that you do more with.
Its a little rant, but its true. I for one, hate consoles, and will never buy one. The last game i bought was Quake4 and it runs awesome on my laptop (nvidia 6800 256ram card) and with IDs Linux patches i dont need to boot windows.
Now, it the GoW2 developers did that, you would have twice that audience (like me) that love the FPS on PC but wont spend the money on a console JUST to play games... thats gay... I can make $$ with a computer and play games
If times get tough enough, even you might be willing to put down your mouse and pick up a shovel.
I have built houses, drove piling for harbors, and built wall sections (wood based), landscaping, etc... And it sucks to sit in a office when its 90 degress out, when i could be breaking a sweat on a roof top stapling shingles. Granted that Computers are my forte, and make the most money, if i didnt have this job, Id be dregging harbors 14 hours a day, and would be loving it
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so.. was that joke?
Clippy being the programmer?
Or did the programmer who created clippy actually commit suicide?
must not code fast enough .. Real programs only spend two hours a day programming .. then rest is spent sleeping, getting coffee, or posting on /.
Yes. Comments are the best place to put your touch .. Although functions and classes will have our names on them (so the others know who to talk to when it doesnt work). But i also like to throwrandom fortune messages or starwars quotes into the mix ..."
Better yet, to put even more of a touch, do your special comments in Hexidecimal or binary ..
"The empire is getting closer, and R2-D2 is nowhere to be found
yea, pretty much. we dont care if we have the burden of support as long as they pay for it. Also, since we (I) built the programs, we have the most knowledge of them, so inheritably, we also serve as technicians (for a price, of course)
First off, Yes: when i said JAVA i ment JS. .. web based. but when your want basically a full blown Application on your web browser, why not just use an GUI API and any language you see fit, and do it right. .. It takes a lot of knowledge and time and bugs to make something like that work. ...
I wont trash any language, because i havent used most of them, and they all have their purpose.
The point I was getting at is people seemed to want more and more out of a web app, and its comes to a point where you cannot make a stable web app, without "duct-tape".
These app that we make are highly server dependent. Not only do they require security (which JS doesnt help, since the code is client side) they require operations that are cobbled together so they run in a browser.
Stuff like point-click-drag-drop are a client side operation. And doing something as simple as clicking a button, requires a postback, a run through the page life cycle, and the sent back to the client in a way that isnt reliable, or effiencient.
I was using C# and VB as examples because thats what i am paid to program in. (believe me when i say i feel stupid using them). But there are better ways of doing things. Just because it can be done one way, doesnt mean its a very lgical method. So, pictures and text fine
Another thing: you can write a OS based App in one language, how many languages does it take to create a web app? (xhtml, css(i know not a lnaguage, but you get what i mean) JS/AJAX, T-SQL or pl/SQL(RDBMS), C# VB Python php CGI whatever)
Then again, maybe im in the wrong field, maybe i should be doing OS devel instead of Web based applications
This my be a little off topic, but i was talking to my uncle yesterday, we were talking bout guns, and the home protection topic came up. He was basically saying, if someone break into your home, kill them. 1) they are intruding and putting your family in danger. 2) a dead man cant sue you
If you write a C++ program and compile it down to one architecture, how many users do you have?
How many architecture CANT you compile C++ code? 90% of the market runs windows anyways .. Allt he same people that think JAVA is a good thing because its neutral? I dont know anyone that runs Google earth on a VAX ... ... MAC, Windows, and Linux ... C++ with GTK works on all three .. problem solved. :(
You can get away with three binary distrobutions
Ok, enough chat i need to get back to my VB code
Parent has a good point. I work for a software company that Develops GIS (geopgraphical Information Software). and all of our clients want theor programs to be web based. this means VB or C# with AJAX/JAVA. For complexity of these programs, and the time that goes into them, the logical thing to do would make it a windows based application. the clients dont like the fact that they then have to install software, and put more problems on their IT staff. (User policies, hardware/software conflicts). so we bould everything to work based on IE6 (alot of people still use Windows 2000). Its a fricken nightmare. There are no standards that are standard, and the whole web based framework is a mess. .. wtf?
I know i cant be that old school, but why cant people use C++ and and GUI APIs? there are already protocols for talking to your SQL server and app engine via network, and using a windows Application framwork has many benifits. Ive argued this time and time again with my boss, but thats how they want it.
BTW: when i first Read MVC i thought they ment Microsoft Visual C, not Model View controller
Anyone know some good quotes on a fiber trunk ... id have to image they are not cheap. Where i live (Northern MN) its got to be hella expensive to deploy, But isnt a bad idea ... If i have a few million laying around, id invest in a fiber trunk that i could resell to the community. even if it will little profit, i think itd be great to do that.
Well im glad they got it running ... For a while i thought they might need to get in on the Government bailout package. .. i would.. Id hack that SOB and but a big picture of my ass as his background ...
On another note, im suprised some l337 doesnt get pissed about it and hack that computer. If i knew how to
"Mess wit the best, and get corn-holed!"
Yea she is. Although im sure she wouldn't have done it if she knew what would happen, there are consequences. This story is kind of a nightmare for anyone, because im sure everyone here has harrased someone to a point where they might have felt bad about it. Picking on someone in class, or always giving shit to the person you dont like. Its too bad that happened, but for me, if reminds me just how much words can hurt someone. Make me think a little bit next time a give a death threat to the guy at McDonalds for putting no pickles on my burger instead of extra pickles.
show me a roomful of sex addicted drunk raving idiots, and i'll show you 6 billion homo sapiens in a couple thousand generations
My bed rooms is over here ...
As much as im sure that happens all the time. I have to say thats bad advice. As much as it might seem false, you can succeed without being a capitalist crook.
but then again, Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.
This is a good Idea. There are tons of ways to make money off of software. You dont even have to stick to one idea. For me, for freelance ( I also work for a software company), I would build calendar programs for hairdressers, and web pages for lumber companies and dog groomers. There is great money in this. You can even expand your ideas onto advertisement. Even on a large scheme. Lets say Company X made programs for car computers. Maybe yours can expand on that and be car computer optimization programs.
The main point is dont go and spend your time trying to fight for the right to something not worht it (like eveyone else has mentioned.) If its worth it do it. But otherwise your just might want to go buy the biggest meat grinder you can find, bring it home, and spend all of the time turning your dick into hamburger.
This is true. I forget how much a firewall protects you. I would not dare plugging a unpatched windows box (or even patch!) up to the internet. I have ran Linux as a firewall/router (iptables) and its unbelivable all of the port scans that happen. I would get over 1000 tries on SSH getting in with users such as 'root' 'sally' 'mike' coming from hundreds of different IPs. Also there will be attempts on any port that they can see (normally 80, and ftp, and ssh) are all i have open, and thank god i drop any traffic trying to come in on anything else (i dont deny, i drop!). yes Parent, you are right, plug XP into the unsecure intenet and it will come home looking like fresh meat on happy hour at the local whore house.
mayb thats why i dont get viruses .. either my employer pays for it, or I run Linux :) ... maybe i should also stop injecting AstroGlide into my HardDrive
And i always though my system stayed clean because i put a condom over my mouse
I haven't had a problem with viruses. I run XP pro at work, with AVG, and although i have had a few viruses, from d/ling stuff, AVG finds them, and no problems. now i might ask, Where can i find thses viruses? I know that warez sites from russia care them, but how can i contract them from legit sites? I seems to me, if you doing what your suppsoed to do with a computer (pr0n browsing) you shouldnt have these problems
GNR == Guns n' Roses?
another funny story ... Kimball and the terminator .. .wav files and save little clips of arnold's voice, stuff like "hello, how are you?", "im a cop, you idiot!","im detective john kimball!","now im going to ask you some questions and i want the answered immediately. Who is your daddy, and what does he do?","SHUTUP!" .. mind that we did live in a small town (1000 people) so normally we would call and ask for someone working we would know. then we would record the whole conversation and burn it to CD .. hours of fun listening to it, again and again ... .. .. good riddance to a crumby Unix company
back when i was ajunior (2003-2004) we would create a bunch of
And we would prank all the local stores around town
"I hope you left room for my fist, because im going to ramm-it-into your stomache!"
I love arnold
BTW
Consoles were developed because some people cant turn a computer on ... software updates? yup, thats because they do more than play games. Windows sucks, and there is no way around that, but with a good system, most games do work. Consoles are made to do one thing, and you cant [really] upgrade them. Maybe a bigger HD to put music on? woopy :p ... In the money you spent on an Xbox, then the 360, you could have got a computer, that you do more with. ... thats gay ... I can make $$ with a computer and play games
Its a little rant, but its true. I for one, hate consoles, and will never buy one. The last game i bought was Quake4 and it runs awesome on my laptop (nvidia 6800 256ram card) and with IDs Linux patches i dont need to boot windows.
Now, it the GoW2 developers did that, you would have twice that audience (like me) that love the FPS on PC but wont spend the money on a console JUST to play games
you have a girlfriend?
... Anyone wanna lend me $2k so i can get a hottie?
Im gonna get me one of those computers!
nothing can stop, the QUAD-LASER!
They uses a 400 Liquid huh? My Arctic cat Z440 fan cooled can not only orbit the moon ... It can jump it!
1x1 = XxY == flat
1x1x1 = XxYxZ == tall
If times get tough enough, even you might be willing to put down your mouse and pick up a shovel.
I have built houses, drove piling for harbors, and built wall sections (wood based), landscaping, etc ... And it sucks to sit in a office when its 90 degress out, when i could be breaking a sweat on a roof top stapling shingles. Granted that Computers are my forte, and make the most money, if i didnt have this job, Id be dregging harbors 14 hours a day, and would be loving it